Ice rink one step closer as council on verge of agreeing deal

Ice rink one step closer as council on verge of agreeing deal

The temporary ice rink in Bournemouth Lower Gardens

Cllr Lawrence Williams

First published in News by

LONG-held plans to build a Bournemouth ice stadium have taken a tentative step forward.

Bournemouth council is on the verge of agreeing an exclusivity agreement with a developer who believes he can work up a viable scheme for Kings Park.

The agreement would give Bournemouth Sport and Leisure Ltd – a special purpose vehicle set up by Burnham Leisure Ltd – until the end of June 2015 to carry out site investigations, finalise the detailed design and arrange finance for the scheme.

The council will not invite any other tenders for the development of the site or enter into negotiations with any other party during this exclusivity period.

Charles Hall, of Burnham Leisure Ltd, told the Echo they had been interested in the project for many years and believed it was financially viable. He said they hoped to be able to agree the exact terms of the exclusivity contract soon.

Cllr Lawrence Williams, cabinet member for tourism, leisure and culture, said: “The council is committed to working with the private sector to provide a new permanent ice facility for Bournemouth.

“Land at Kings Park has been earmarked as a suitable site for this development and the council secured outline planning permission in October 2010.

“We have given Bournemouth Sport and Leisure Ltd the opportunity to put together a proposal for this scheme with no cost to the council taxpayer.”

Bournemouth council invited tenders from potential ice stadium developers back in 2012 but received no formal bids. Expressions of interest were later received form Burnham Leisure Ltd, AFC Bournemouth and an ice stadium operator.

Discussions took place with all three parties but AFC Bournemouth and the ice stadium operator subsequently withdrew from the project.

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8:17am Sun 10 Aug 14

SFF says...

This is a park for the people of Bournemouth and particularly Boscombe! Why won't you build it in Meyrick Park or The Lower Gardens? Because that would be unacceptable. They want to build an enormous eyesore that will take up a whole field and effectively split the park in two.
This is a park for the people of Bournemouth and particularly Boscombe! Why won't you build it in Meyrick Park or The Lower Gardens? Because that would be unacceptable. They want to build an enormous eyesore that will take up a whole field and effectively split the park in two. SFF
  • Score: 13

8:27am Sun 10 Aug 14

High Treason says...

It will never happen. The return on the capital investment and the running costs will mean ticket prices will be sky high. Unlike other venues ice rinks consume vast amounts of energy due to the ice having to be kept at a set temperature and thickness 24/7. Maybe it should never happen with believed energy shortages over the coming years.
It will never happen. The return on the capital investment and the running costs will mean ticket prices will be sky high. Unlike other venues ice rinks consume vast amounts of energy due to the ice having to be kept at a set temperature and thickness 24/7. Maybe it should never happen with believed energy shortages over the coming years. High Treason
  • Score: 12

9:28am Sun 10 Aug 14

Markmag says...

SFF wrote:
This is a park for the people of Bournemouth and particularly Boscombe! Why won't you build it in Meyrick Park or The Lower Gardens? Because that would be unacceptable. They want to build an enormous eyesore that will take up a whole field and effectively split the park in two.
Utter rubbish. The proposed site has the indoors bowls club along one edge, and the industrial estate and school along another. So bearing in mind it's in a corner how can it split the park in two? A third side is fenced off against the playback. If anything this bit of land is an awkward bulge on the side of the park.

It will be no more an eyesore than the indoors bowls club it will be next to. Also that field is pretty low quality anyway. As to your other suggestions, Meyrick Park has poor transport links and the Lower Gardens is clearly just a stupid idea.
[quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: This is a park for the people of Bournemouth and particularly Boscombe! Why won't you build it in Meyrick Park or The Lower Gardens? Because that would be unacceptable. They want to build an enormous eyesore that will take up a whole field and effectively split the park in two.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish. The proposed site has the indoors bowls club along one edge, and the industrial estate and school along another. So bearing in mind it's in a corner how can it split the park in two? A third side is fenced off against the playback. If anything this bit of land is an awkward bulge on the side of the park. It will be no more an eyesore than the indoors bowls club it will be next to. Also that field is pretty low quality anyway. As to your other suggestions, Meyrick Park has poor transport links and the Lower Gardens is clearly just a stupid idea. Markmag
  • Score: 3

9:29am Sun 10 Aug 14

Markmag says...

Playpark not playback. Edit function please Echo!
Playpark not playback. Edit function please Echo! Markmag
  • Score: 0

9:57am Sun 10 Aug 14

dawnjeanette says...

The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve ,
in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's
where it belongs in Bournemouth.
The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve , in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's where it belongs in Bournemouth. dawnjeanette
  • Score: 12

10:00am Sun 10 Aug 14

Gastines3 says...

Perhaps the Developers could look at the various plans submitted for the site with a view to assessing why they were not pursued? The main attraction is presumably another free building plot given away by our illustrious leaders? How many schemes and plans have been submitted for virtually every site in Bournemouth,Pavilion Architects very quiet at the moment!!Perhaps it might be an idea to get an idea of possible finance on the general idea first?If it is for the benefit of the community and possibly a loss making scheme, try the Lottery they hand out millions each week.
Perhaps the Developers could look at the various plans submitted for the site with a view to assessing why they were not pursued? The main attraction is presumably another free building plot given away by our illustrious leaders? How many schemes and plans have been submitted for virtually every site in Bournemouth,Pavilion Architects very quiet at the moment!!Perhaps it might be an idea to get an idea of possible finance on the general idea first?If it is for the benefit of the community and possibly a loss making scheme, try the Lottery they hand out millions each week. Gastines3
  • Score: 7

10:23am Sun 10 Aug 14

Nat1234 says...

dawnjeanette wrote:
The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve ,
in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's
where it belongs in Bournemouth.
Something needs to be done in this area . It's the pits , if it's built in kings park , it might attract a better sort of person to the area ,
[quote][p][bold]dawnjeanette[/bold] wrote: The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve , in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's where it belongs in Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]Something needs to be done in this area . It's the pits , if it's built in kings park , it might attract a better sort of person to the area , Nat1234
  • Score: -4

10:31am Sun 10 Aug 14

BmthNewshound says...

It looks as if Bournemouth have been taken in again. This looks like another Trevor Osborne Nautilus fiasco, big plans but no finance to take the project forward.
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Burnham Leisure is owned by Burnham Developments Somerset Ltd. Back in 2007 they announced plans to build an ice rink in Burnham on Sea but these plans have not materialised. From what I can gather they have no experience of operating this type of leisure facility and are in fact a very small company without the financial backing to bankroll such an ambitious and expensive project.
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It seems that Bournemouth Councils history of demonstrating poor judgement in awarding contracts continues. My guess is that any ice rink project if it ever gets off the ground will join the list of failures that have plagued Bournemouth - Imax, Surf Reed, Nautilus etc.
It looks as if Bournemouth have been taken in again. This looks like another Trevor Osborne Nautilus fiasco, big plans but no finance to take the project forward. . Burnham Leisure is owned by Burnham Developments Somerset Ltd. Back in 2007 they announced plans to build an ice rink in Burnham on Sea but these plans have not materialised. From what I can gather they have no experience of operating this type of leisure facility and are in fact a very small company without the financial backing to bankroll such an ambitious and expensive project. . It seems that Bournemouth Councils history of demonstrating poor judgement in awarding contracts continues. My guess is that any ice rink project if it ever gets off the ground will join the list of failures that have plagued Bournemouth - Imax, Surf Reed, Nautilus etc. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 20

10:41am Sun 10 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

You can expect this scheme to be mentioned time after time in the run up to next years election. They will be telling you what a good thing it is for Bournemouth, and all down to your Councillors (lol) When it doesn't happen, it will be to late, you have got the muppets in for another 4 years. As Gastine3 says, they should look to see why everybody else pulled out. I wonder if Mr Beesley will go on record to assure the residents of Bournemouth that there will be no "bail out" clause in any contract with Burnham, something they want added. When he was asked that question, he did his usual smoke and mirrors dance for five minutes, and said nothing except the usual politicians rubbish.
You can expect this scheme to be mentioned time after time in the run up to next years election. They will be telling you what a good thing it is for Bournemouth, and all down to your Councillors (lol) When it doesn't happen, it will be to late, you have got the muppets in for another 4 years. As Gastine3 says, they should look to see why everybody else pulled out. I wonder if Mr Beesley will go on record to assure the residents of Bournemouth that there will be no "bail out" clause in any contract with Burnham, something they want added. When he was asked that question, he did his usual smoke and mirrors dance for five minutes, and said nothing except the usual politicians rubbish. ShuttleX
  • Score: 15

10:50am Sun 10 Aug 14

60plus says...

Typical of Bournemouth council they want to attack holidaymakers they close down swimming pool want to put ice rink out of town,they should remember not everyone has cars,
Typical of Bournemouth council they want to attack holidaymakers they close down swimming pool want to put ice rink out of town,they should remember not everyone has cars, 60plus
  • Score: 17

10:59am Sun 10 Aug 14

Azphreal says...

So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter.
So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter. Azphreal
  • Score: 11

11:01am Sun 10 Aug 14

old buffer says...

I'm already polishing my blades-not! Why would any self-respecting private enterprise choose to get embroiled with Bournemouth Council?
I'm already polishing my blades-not! Why would any self-respecting private enterprise choose to get embroiled with Bournemouth Council? old buffer
  • Score: 12

12:47pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Dadof2 says...

It's been a modern twist of "The Emperors New Clothes" with our local government for far to many years.
If we do not vote them ALL out and start fresh we will only continue to get the same wasting of our hard earned tax money with only ourselves to blame.
It's been a modern twist of "The Emperors New Clothes" with our local government for far to many years. If we do not vote them ALL out and start fresh we will only continue to get the same wasting of our hard earned tax money with only ourselves to blame. Dadof2
  • Score: 8

1:12pm Sun 10 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Nat1234 wrote:
dawnjeanette wrote:
The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve ,
in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's
where it belongs in Bournemouth.
Something needs to be done in this area . It's the pits , if it's built in kings park , it might attract a better sort of person to the area ,
Cant wait to see all the drunks and druggies trying to ice skate, watching that would be worth the entrance fee.
[quote][p][bold]Nat1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dawnjeanette[/bold] wrote: The ice rink is for everyone they should have it in Bournemouth it salve , in the lower gardens or back at Westover road where it use to be that's where it belongs in Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]Something needs to be done in this area . It's the pits , if it's built in kings park , it might attract a better sort of person to the area ,[/p][/quote]Cant wait to see all the drunks and druggies trying to ice skate, watching that would be worth the entrance fee. penhalereturns
  • Score: -2

2:04pm Sun 10 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

I believe Kings Park has a part of the Bournemouth conurbation, therefore it is a gooder place as any for an Ice Rink. Someone spoke of fares, Navies has not been built yet, so how can it have failed. I MAY did not fail, it was used as intended, before destruction by the hammer welding Beesley. No doubt if the doubters of Bournemouth looked into things more they might see different and give it a chance. By the way where are the FoKP.
I believe Kings Park has a part of the Bournemouth conurbation, therefore it is a gooder place as any for an Ice Rink. Someone spoke of fares, Navies has not been built yet, so how can it have failed. I MAY did not fail, it was used as intended, before destruction by the hammer welding Beesley. No doubt if the doubters of Bournemouth looked into things more they might see different and give it a chance. By the way where are the FoKP. TheDistrict
  • Score: -8

2:37pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Blossom8 says...

It needs to be in Bournemouth town centre to make money I loved the ice rink as a young person it was somewhere to go and a fun place always packed and Christmas on ice entertainment would also be good for trade in the town. Kings park seems too far out who wants to be in Boscombe it's not a good advert for tourism that's for sure .
It needs to be in Bournemouth town centre to make money I loved the ice rink as a young person it was somewhere to go and a fun place always packed and Christmas on ice entertainment would also be good for trade in the town. Kings park seems too far out who wants to be in Boscombe it's not a good advert for tourism that's for sure . Blossom8
  • Score: 12

3:38pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Tango Charlie says...

30 years of promises. Shall I hold my breath?
30 years of promises. Shall I hold my breath? Tango Charlie
  • Score: 9

4:07pm Sun 10 Aug 14

blackdog1 says...

Why kings park? It needs to be in Bournemouth not Boscombe! Too many junkies and ex cons strolling around. Not the best place for family entertainment.
Why kings park? It needs to be in Bournemouth not Boscombe! Too many junkies and ex cons strolling around. Not the best place for family entertainment. blackdog1
  • Score: 10

4:39pm Sun 10 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

the world will no doubt freeze over first.
the world will no doubt freeze over first. apm1954
  • Score: 8

5:18pm Sun 10 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Azphreal wrote:
So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter.
Excellent point re cars. There is no bus service to this site so you would have to take your car if you live to far to walk or cycle, or you have young children. Interesting that a small company out of the area wants to build it. It will be this Council's IMAX.
[quote][p][bold]Azphreal[/bold] wrote: So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter.[/p][/quote]Excellent point re cars. There is no bus service to this site so you would have to take your car if you live to far to walk or cycle, or you have young children. Interesting that a small company out of the area wants to build it. It will be this Council's IMAX. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 6

6:05pm Sun 10 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

The council will not invite any other tenders for the development of the site or enter into negotiations with any other party during this exclusivity period.


And there you have it!
The Council going against set down ethos of allowing fair and competitive tendering,to obtain value for money for ratepayers.
The council will not invite any other tenders for the development of the site or enter into negotiations with any other party during this exclusivity period. And there you have it! The Council going against set down ethos of allowing fair and competitive tendering,to obtain value for money for ratepayers. BIGTONE
  • Score: 9

6:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

so the council is intending to hand over MORE public space to a private company

or not, as the reality seems

"who believes he can work up a viable scheme for Kings Park. £

'who believes'

so we will have yet another half brained scheme that fails, as with so much else in Bournemouth, and then like the Imax site the council will announce that it is due for 'comprehensive redevelopment'

which at the Imax site is pure coincidence that the once prestigious Royal Bath hotel is being run into the ground

trebles all round old boy, pip pip !
so the council is intending to hand over MORE public space to a private company or not, as the reality seems "who believes he can work up a viable scheme for Kings Park. £ 'who believes' so we will have yet another half brained scheme that fails, as with so much else in Bournemouth, and then like the Imax site the council will announce that it is due for 'comprehensive redevelopment' which at the Imax site is pure coincidence that the once prestigious Royal Bath hotel is being run into the ground trebles all round old boy, pip pip ! Bob49
  • Score: 4

6:26pm Sun 10 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

I never even considered buying anything on this site .I certainly ain't going to buy this . What are odds it will never happen?
I never even considered buying anything on this site .I certainly ain't going to buy this . What are odds it will never happen? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Browser123 says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
Azphreal wrote:
So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter.
Excellent point re cars. There is no bus service to this site so you would have to take your car if you live to far to walk or cycle, or you have young children. Interesting that a small company out of the area wants to build it. It will be this Council's IMAX.
There is a bus service, along Ashley Road, as it was proposed to build it next to the primary school at the Ashley Road entrance to Kings Park.
But as only 200 regular skaters used the BIC, cannot see how this will be economically viable for a company, unless they can see a way to get hold of public land.
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Azphreal[/bold] wrote: So if a group turns up and says 'Yes we want to build and we have the money' they will not be allowed because of this group (ok i know it will not happen). So the council is making a big thing that a group with no plans and no backing have an idea and nothing else well let me help and i expect a story in the Echo as well. I want to open a teleportation centre that will allow you to instantly travel anywhere in the world in seconds! Ok i have no idea how to do it or even if i did have funds to build it but that does not matter.[/p][/quote]Excellent point re cars. There is no bus service to this site so you would have to take your car if you live to far to walk or cycle, or you have young children. Interesting that a small company out of the area wants to build it. It will be this Council's IMAX.[/p][/quote]There is a bus service, along Ashley Road, as it was proposed to build it next to the primary school at the Ashley Road entrance to Kings Park. But as only 200 regular skaters used the BIC, cannot see how this will be economically viable for a company, unless they can see a way to get hold of public land. Browser123
  • Score: 5

11:10pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

COUNCIL MEETING - 29th OCTOBER 2013
General Question to the Leader of the Council:

'Can Members please be told now as to where does this outline planning application stand for the long planned/awaited ice rink stadium at Kings Park now that Burnham Developments have withdrawn.... Ron Whittaker

So it appears the only company ever interested was Burnham Leisure who have now formed another company .... Bournemouth Leisure to be given an exclusive deal to see if they can yet again come up with something

However as Burnham Development (Somerset) Limited they had promised this for Burnham on Sea in 2007 -

"The proposed facility will have 2,500 fixed seats a 60 x 30 Olympic size ice pad and a smaller ice pad for Toddlers and learners as well as a Curling rink plus other facilities."

"There will also be ice hockey both junior and senior players as well as professional Basketball. Also available will be professional people to teach ice skating and ice dancing to a very high standard, we shall also be providing other events from time to time with the ice covered."

We are all still waiting for that one.

So could the council perhaps tell us

1. If there has been any other companies interested in builing an ice rink in Kings Park ?

2. What expertise does Burnham Leisure (or variants of) have in building or running an ice rink, or in fact building or running anything ?

Perhaps the Daily Echo could ask them on our behalf. It might give an indication of what expertise they had that prompted the council to offer them an exclusive deal
COUNCIL MEETING - 29th OCTOBER 2013 General Question to the Leader of the Council: 'Can Members please be told now as to where does this outline planning application stand for the long planned/awaited ice rink stadium at Kings Park now that Burnham Developments have withdrawn.... Ron Whittaker So it appears the only company ever interested was Burnham Leisure who have now formed another company .... Bournemouth Leisure to be given an exclusive deal to see if they can yet again come up with something However as Burnham Development (Somerset) Limited they had promised this for Burnham on Sea in 2007 - "The proposed facility will have 2,500 fixed seats a 60 x 30 Olympic size ice pad and a smaller ice pad for Toddlers and learners as well as a Curling rink plus other facilities." "There will also be ice hockey both junior and senior players as well as professional Basketball. Also available will be professional people to teach ice skating and ice dancing to a very high standard, we shall also be providing other events from time to time with the ice covered." We are all still waiting for that one. So could the council perhaps tell us 1. If there has been any other companies interested in builing an ice rink in Kings Park ? 2. What expertise does Burnham Leisure (or variants of) have in building or running an ice rink, or in fact building or running anything ? Perhaps the Daily Echo could ask them on our behalf. It might give an indication of what expertise they had that prompted the council to offer them an exclusive deal Bob49
  • Score: 4

1:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

This is cruel hoax,meant to drum up a few votes,it will get up the hopes of the skaters sports people and supporters but it will never happen,not while this council is involved .it's not as if they a record of success when it come to fulfilling promises or anything come to that
This is cruel hoax,meant to drum up a few votes,it will get up the hopes of the skaters sports people and supporters but it will never happen,not while this council is involved .it's not as if they a record of success when it come to fulfilling promises or anything come to that kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

juniperberry says...

It makes no difference to the council whether there is an ice rink or not; if its viable someone will pitch up with the cash and do it. If its not they won't! It's that simple so why all the blame on the council. They never closed the last one, the customers did. Ice rinks are old hat bit most don't seem to understand. Young people do not ice skate!
It makes no difference to the council whether there is an ice rink or not; if its viable someone will pitch up with the cash and do it. If its not they won't! It's that simple so why all the blame on the council. They never closed the last one, the customers did. Ice rinks are old hat bit most don't seem to understand. Young people do not ice skate! juniperberry
  • Score: 0

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