‘Better pay would mean job losses’ – council leader slams workers over strike action

Bournemouth Echo: ACTION: The scene during a public sector strike in 2011 and, inset, Cllr John Beesley ACTION: The scene during a public sector strike in 2011 and, inset, Cllr John Beesley

BOURNEMOUTH’S council leader has criticised workers planning to strike tomorrow and warned increased pay would mean job losses.

Cllr John Beesley also slammed plans by striking employees to stage a Victorian workhouse themed rally and lobby outside the BIC, where the Local Government Association is being held.

He said this “did not send out a good message for Bournemouth, for jobs and the local economy.”

But union representatives have defended their actions, claiming many members have been squeezed to such an extent they are struggling to make ends meet.

David Higgins, the Unison representative at Bournemouth council, said he had heard of some members having to use foodbanks to supplement their wages.

“You shouldn’t have people working in local government having to supplement their wages by going to foodbanks,” he said. “That’s not right.

“If you compare us to other employers, the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year. We really have been squeezed and squeezed.”

Local government workers have had a three-year pay freeze, followed by a one per cent rise last year and the offer of a one per cent rise this year. Mr Higgins said this would mean they were effectively 20 per cent worse off than they were in 2010.

But Cllr Beesley said: “If we are to carry on delivering effective frontline services then something has to give. It either has to be that pay increases are kept within budget or inevitably, if that does not happen, we will be able to afford to employ less staff and we don’t want that to happen.”

He questioned claims of council workers relying on foodbanks and said: “That’s not a picture I recognise as being widespread. There are plenty of people sadly who are struggling both in the public and private sector. The council does everything it can to help them and their families.”

The strike is supported by Bournemouth Labour leader Cllr Ben Grower, who said: “I think people who work for local government are in desperate need of an increase.

“Their salaries and conditions have been reduced and they are having great difficulty in making ends meet and supporting their families. Their demands are quite reasonable.”

Beesley: Westminster could learn a lot from us

BOURNEMOUTH council leader Cllr John Beesley welcomed 2,000 councillors to the resort with a claim that Westminster could learn a lot from local councils.

The Local Government Association, which is in the town for the first time since 2010, is Labour-dominated for the first time in a decade following the May elections.

Conservative Cllr Beesley said he hoped government would “begin to listen to the warnings from the LGA about the sustainability of diminishing resources”.

He said councils were living through perhaps the greatest changes any of the conference’s delegates had experienced.

“As ever, local government has risen to the challenge and through the most rigorous efficiency and transformation programmes up and down the country, we have set the example for public services throughout the country,” he said.

“We all know that Westminster could learn a lot about the transformation of government departments and budgets, and the art of delivering true value for money to taxpayers, from the example that local government has set over these past four years.”

He also urged delegates at the BIC to try the town’s leisure attractions and return in their own time.

“I hope you agree that four years is too long a gap before coming back here. I am therefore delighted that we shall not have to wait so long again, and that after going to Harrogate next year we shall be back here in Bournemouth in 2016,” he said.

Widespread disruption

MANY schools will be closed, bins could go un-emptied and council services disrupted as members of the Unite, Unison, GMB and NUT unions take industrial action tomorrow.

Union representatives claim members are struggling to make ends meet following a three-year pay freeze and they say the Government offer of a one per cent pay rise is unacceptable.

The decision of teachers to strike will see some schools closed for the third time in one academic year. NUT representatives say the dispute is over pay, pensions, workload and government reforms.

Elsewhere, the most noticeable impact is likely to be on bin collections. Councils are advising residents to put their refuse and recycling bins out as normal but warning they could get collected at a later date, possibly even a week later.

All councils are pledging to maintain vital frontline services and those affecting vulnerable people and have urged residents to check social media or their websites for up to date information.

Bournemouth council’s chief executive Tony Williams said: “It is difficult to gauge how many staff will strike as they are not obliged to inform us whether they intend to strike or cross picket lines. However, I would like to assure residents we will be doing everything possible to maintain council services.”

Some disruption is expected to bin collections, but residents should put out bins as normal. If bins are not emptied, residents should continue putting them out daily and the council aims to catch up with in a week.

Carl Wilcox, head of human resources, Borough of Poole, said: “Borough of Poole always aims to maintain its services during industrial action. Our priority is to minimise the likelihood of any impact on residents but unfortunately we cannot rule out the possibility of disruption to some local services on the day. “Union members taking part in strike action are not required by law to inform us of their intention to strike. We are, however, aware that some schools will be partly or fully closed.

“Collection of recycling and general waste will also be suspended for the day and there maybe some disruption to garden waste collections. The council is continuing negotiations with local union representatives in an effort to ensure essential services for the most vulnerable are maintained during the industrial action.”

Milhams tip will be open as normal. Bournemouth Town Hall and its services will be open to the public as normal.

Some disruption is expected to emergency road repairs. Minimal impact is expected on tenant housing repairs, day centres, community centres and parks maintenance.

Bournemouth Airport said the Border Force confirmed the PCS Union will strike from Thursday July 10 from 7am to Friday July 11 at 7am.

A spokesperson said: "Minimal operational impact is anticipated and volunteers will be in place during this time to cover all immigration functions, including E Gates and Transfers."

Street cleaning, beach cleaning and patrols, civic enforcement and out-of-hours support are expected to continue as normal Libraries will be closed at Boscombe, Castlepoint, Char-minster, Springbourne, Tuckton and Westbourne. Other branches will be open as normal: Bournemouth central, Ensbury Park, Kinson Hub, Southbourne, West Howe and Winton.

Car parks will be open as normal.

2,000 staff from Dorset County Council may take part in strike

RESIDENTS in the Dorset County Council administrative area should be braced for some disruption to council services on Thursday.

County Hall has around 2,000 staff members who may take industrial action  - but employees don’t have to let managers know until the actual strike day.

This means the full impact on services will not be known until tomorrow morning.

However, county chiefs have pledged to do all they can to minimise disruption.

County council chief executive Debbie Ward said: “Although it is impossible to predict the impact that Thursday’s strike will have on our services, we are doing everything we can to minimise disruption for Dorset residents.

“Our priority will be to continue to support the most vulnerable and protect our most critical services.”

Residents who would normally have their rubbish and/or recycling collected on Thursday are being told to place their containers out as usual.

If Dorset Waste Partnership cannot complete all collections, they will be aiming to carry out catch-up collections on Saturday, July 12.

Residents should leave their containers out until then end of Saturday.

There are no anticipated closures of county-run children’s centres and adult social care day centres. Both Weymouth and Dorchester park and ride services will run as normal and most, if not all, libraries should also open as normal.

Mrs Ward said: “If residents are unsure if a particular service is likely to be affected, they can visit our website, follow us on social media or call 01305 221 000.”

Visit dorsetforyou.com/dorset-strikes-10-july for information.

 

 

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7:23pm Tue 8 Jul 14

fartycat says...

‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job.
‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job. fartycat
  • Score: 65

5:53am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -34

6:40am Wed 9 Jul 14

churchill gardens resident says...

The rich get richer & the poorer go to food banks .We can still afford fireworks on the pier & Boscombe Regeneration goes on & on
The rich get richer & the poorer go to food banks .We can still afford fireworks on the pier & Boscombe Regeneration goes on & on churchill gardens resident
  • Score: 51

6:46am Wed 9 Jul 14

Huey says...

If you have had a low paid job since 2010 there is little hope of you ever bettering yourself.
Go on some courses get some qualifications and make yourself more attractive to employers.
I used to work for local government but could not handle working with unmotivated people happy to just tread water and wait until pay day.
There are better jobs out there, seek and ye shall find.
If you have had a low paid job since 2010 there is little hope of you ever bettering yourself. Go on some courses get some qualifications and make yourself more attractive to employers. I used to work for local government but could not handle working with unmotivated people happy to just tread water and wait until pay day. There are better jobs out there, seek and ye shall find. Huey
  • Score: 8

6:48am Wed 9 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Central Government don't want Councils and Town halls.
They want to do away with them and have a small "liaison" office.
Everything needed is a phone call away.

Leave an apple too long and it will rot.
Central Government don't want Councils and Town halls. They want to do away with them and have a small "liaison" office. Everything needed is a phone call away. Leave an apple too long and it will rot. BIGTONE
  • Score: 16

7:02am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

churchill gardens resident wrote:
The rich get richer & the poorer go to food banks .We can still afford fireworks on the pier & Boscombe Regeneration goes on & on
The fireworks bring people into town, this is an investment which generates extra revenue for the Council, without which no doubt services would have to be cut further. Also what is wrong about trying to regenerate Boscombe, the seafront there is much better than it used to be (as are Boscombe Gardens). More visitors mean more spending and less poverty, at least the Council is trying to improve things.
[quote][p][bold]churchill gardens resident[/bold] wrote: The rich get richer & the poorer go to food banks .We can still afford fireworks on the pier & Boscombe Regeneration goes on & on[/p][/quote]The fireworks bring people into town, this is an investment which generates extra revenue for the Council, without which no doubt services would have to be cut further. Also what is wrong about trying to regenerate Boscombe, the seafront there is much better than it used to be (as are Boscombe Gardens). More visitors mean more spending and less poverty, at least the Council is trying to improve things. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 6

7:21am Wed 9 Jul 14

skydriver says...

It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost. skydriver
  • Score: 71

7:21am Wed 9 Jul 14

skydriver says...

It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost. skydriver
  • Score: 18

7:28am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -20

7:31am Wed 9 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

One of the biggest problems with the public sector is the pensions, especially at the high end of the scale, they should scrap them altogether. Give everyone a single flat rate state pension right across the board and if people want to take out extra pensions they should do so themselves. Then there might be a chance that the public sector can get pay rises that are at least in line with inflation. The pension bill problem is something that consecutive governments have swept under the carpet for decades and are still doing so today, it is not a problem that will simply go away and as we are now living much longer than ever before it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
One of the biggest problems with the public sector is the pensions, especially at the high end of the scale, they should scrap them altogether. Give everyone a single flat rate state pension right across the board and if people want to take out extra pensions they should do so themselves. Then there might be a chance that the public sector can get pay rises that are at least in line with inflation. The pension bill problem is something that consecutive governments have swept under the carpet for decades and are still doing so today, it is not a problem that will simply go away and as we are now living much longer than ever before it is a problem that needs to be addressed. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -6

7:32am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

fartycat wrote:
‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job.
A fraction of the £130K cost of the Councils CEO though!
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: ‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job.[/p][/quote]A fraction of the £130K cost of the Councils CEO though! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 29

7:34am Wed 9 Jul 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government. Baysider
  • Score: 74

7:34am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
One of the biggest problems with the public sector is the pensions, especially at the high end of the scale, they should scrap them altogether. Give everyone a single flat rate state pension right across the board and if people want to take out extra pensions they should do so themselves. Then there might be a chance that the public sector can get pay rises that are at least in line with inflation. The pension bill problem is something that consecutive governments have swept under the carpet for decades and are still doing so today, it is not a problem that will simply go away and as we are now living much longer than ever before it is a problem that needs to be addressed.
Spot on, but an inconvenient truth for public sector workers who claim to be fighting for better services
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: One of the biggest problems with the public sector is the pensions, especially at the high end of the scale, they should scrap them altogether. Give everyone a single flat rate state pension right across the board and if people want to take out extra pensions they should do so themselves. Then there might be a chance that the public sector can get pay rises that are at least in line with inflation. The pension bill problem is something that consecutive governments have swept under the carpet for decades and are still doing so today, it is not a problem that will simply go away and as we are now living much longer than ever before it is a problem that needs to be addressed.[/p][/quote]Spot on, but an inconvenient truth for public sector workers who claim to be fighting for better services fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -16

7:36am Wed 9 Jul 14

Derf says...

“the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year."

Give them what they want I say.
“the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year." Give them what they want I say. Derf
  • Score: 15

7:40am Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,, fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -26

7:50am Wed 9 Jul 14

Fingersonthem says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Some also do work for Tesco to supplement their council income.
So that's put that one to bed.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Some also do work for Tesco to supplement their council income. So that's put that one to bed. Fingersonthem
  • Score: 24

8:02am Wed 9 Jul 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living. Baysider
  • Score: 43

8:04am Wed 9 Jul 14

djd says...

How much are they spending on ridiculous schemes like Castle Lane West and Christchurch Road roadworks to put in a few cycle lanes and more green paint on the road and yet more traffic lights??
How far would that go if it was given to the lower paid council workers for the work they do??
How much are they spending on ridiculous schemes like Castle Lane West and Christchurch Road roadworks to put in a few cycle lanes and more green paint on the road and yet more traffic lights?? How far would that go if it was given to the lower paid council workers for the work they do?? djd
  • Score: 25

8:05am Wed 9 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees.

Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees. Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 31

8:07am Wed 9 Jul 14

the_baron1 says...

Quote "If you compare us to other employers, the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year. We really have been squeezed and squeezed.” unquote.


Thats about right -- TESCO paying "£6.91 a year" . Must be the lowest paid employee's in the country.

Come on ECHO proof read your story !!!!!
Quote "If you compare us to other employers, the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year. We really have been squeezed and squeezed.” unquote. Thats about right -- TESCO paying "£6.91 a year" . Must be the lowest paid employee's in the country. Come on ECHO proof read your story !!!!! the_baron1
  • Score: 16

8:40am Wed 9 Jul 14

pauls55 says...

Yes, these public service workers are a nuisance aren't they? Risking their lives in fires, teaching our young, caring for our elderly,providing youth services,protecting the homeless, emptying our bins, cleaning our streets. Many of them earn less than the living wage too, the blighters. As for their pensions, well they pay contributions from their pay week in week out towards them, and after a career doing these essential, thankless jobs on behalf of us all, they deserve to be "golden".
Yes, these public service workers are a nuisance aren't they? Risking their lives in fires, teaching our young, caring for our elderly,providing youth services,protecting the homeless, emptying our bins, cleaning our streets. Many of them earn less than the living wage too, the blighters. As for their pensions, well they pay contributions from their pay week in week out towards them, and after a career doing these essential, thankless jobs on behalf of us all, they deserve to be "golden". pauls55
  • Score: 47

8:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

Positano says...

We must never lose the Right to Strike successive generations of British People fought long and hard for that very Right - Freedom of Speech and our Judicial System are already under attack in this Country
The Right to Strike if democratically Balloted is the only way any Working Institution can protest legally with formal representation
Are there too many Councillors/Are Expensives/Payments too generous/Are Salaries too high on the Executive Side All of these concerns will be scrutinised during the Strike
We must never lose the Right to Strike successive generations of British People fought long and hard for that very Right - Freedom of Speech and our Judicial System are already under attack in this Country The Right to Strike if democratically Balloted is the only way any Working Institution can protest legally with formal representation Are there too many Councillors/Are Expensives/Payments too generous/Are Salaries too high on the Executive Side All of these concerns will be scrutinised during the Strike Positano
  • Score: 27

9:01am Wed 9 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -13

9:03am Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Cllr Beesley said: He questioned claims of council workers relying on foodbanks and said: “That’s not a picture I recognise as being widespread.
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Well he wouldn't would he on his extortionate salary plus thousands in expenses, he probably sits at home in the evenings drinking expensive wine with steak dinners while his employees scrounge to make ends meet and go to food banks to survive, we are slipping back to the Victorian era of the haves and have nots.
Cllr Beesley said: He questioned claims of council workers relying on foodbanks and said: “That’s not a picture I recognise as being widespread. . Well he wouldn't would he on his extortionate salary plus thousands in expenses, he probably sits at home in the evenings drinking expensive wine with steak dinners while his employees scrounge to make ends meet and go to food banks to survive, we are slipping back to the Victorian era of the haves and have nots. Hessenford
  • Score: 28

9:05am Wed 9 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees.

Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?
The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees. Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?[/p][/quote]The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 4

9:06am Wed 9 Jul 14

Townee says...

I thought that the council had out sourced a lot of there work to another company and paid them millions to do it.
I'm sure that if everyone got a gold plated final salary pension then we wouldn't moan but most major companies had done away with this type of pension because they are far too expensive eg HSBC for one.
We all need a living wage pension so why do people who work for us think they deserve a better pension then those that pay their wages?
I thought that the council had out sourced a lot of there work to another company and paid them millions to do it. I'm sure that if everyone got a gold plated final salary pension then we wouldn't moan but most major companies had done away with this type of pension because they are far too expensive eg HSBC for one. We all need a living wage pension so why do people who work for us think they deserve a better pension then those that pay their wages? Townee
  • Score: -13

9:10am Wed 9 Jul 14

funkyferret says...

Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent.

Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk).
A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER.
Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent. Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk). A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER. funkyferret
  • Score: 24

9:23am Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

funkyferret wrote:
Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent.

Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk).
A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER.
That's were it all went wrong years ago, percentage rises instead of flat rate pay rises, the rich got richer, the poor got poorer.
[quote][p][bold]funkyferret[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent. Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk). A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER.[/p][/quote]That's were it all went wrong years ago, percentage rises instead of flat rate pay rises, the rich got richer, the poor got poorer. Hessenford
  • Score: 14

9:25am Wed 9 Jul 14

Carolyn43 says...

funkyferret wrote:
Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent.

Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk).
A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER.
That's getting towards communism, which would be great if it could work. But it can't because someone has to make the decisions and will naturally expect to be paid a bit more for doing so.
[quote][p][bold]funkyferret[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the councillors were to propose their wages to be frozen in line with employees, and only basic 'out of pocket' expenses (car parking etc.) being refunded, we may attract those that truly are motivated for the Town's benefit & interest, not those seeking to get rich to the detriment of the very cause they represent. Additionally, why not give every employee a flat-rate pay rise? The shops make no allowance for personal incomes when charging me for clothes, food, parking etc based upon income. (Tesco charge both a single parent on benefits, and a CEO of a large company £1 for 4 pints of milk). A flat-rate hourly rise would give those lower-paid staff a higher % increase, and reduce the gap between the highest & lowest paid employees, and send a message that yes, perhaps we ARE all in this TOGETHER.[/p][/quote]That's getting towards communism, which would be great if it could work. But it can't because someone has to make the decisions and will naturally expect to be paid a bit more for doing so. Carolyn43
  • Score: -2

9:27am Wed 9 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees.

Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?
The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths!
Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them.

Just where do you get your idea from exactly?

I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good.

A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees. Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?[/p][/quote]The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths![/p][/quote]Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them. Just where do you get your idea from exactly? I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good. A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 18

9:37am Wed 9 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees.

Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?
The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths!
Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them.

Just where do you get your idea from exactly?

I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good.

A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense.
Google public v's private sector pay!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees. Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?[/p][/quote]The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths![/p][/quote]Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them. Just where do you get your idea from exactly? I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good. A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense.[/p][/quote]Google public v's private sector pay! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -7

9:42am Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees.

Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?
The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths!
Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them.

Just where do you get your idea from exactly?

I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good.

A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense.
But what percentage are paid between the national average of £26,000 and £55,000, council employees are paid well below the national average.
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Borough Council employs about 4000 people, less than 30 of them earn £55k a year or more that's less than half a % of total employees. Just how many employees of Bournemouth Council do you think are overpaid, have golden pensions and town hall parking spaces?[/p][/quote]The day can't be far off now where the only people going into town will be councillors and jobsworths![/p][/quote]Yet I've just said than less than half a % of council employees earn more than £55k a year, less than 30 of them. Just where do you get your idea from exactly? I also ask again, exactly how many Council workers have these special gold plated pensions? Not many of them I can tell you, for the vast majority of council workers the pension is good, but it's not that good. A lot of you seem to be under the impression that everyone who works for the council is a rich, fat, greedy 50 year old male conservative riding the gravy train dining out on public sector money until he retires on a big gold plated pension which is just nonsense.[/p][/quote]But what percentage are paid between the national average of £26,000 and £55,000, council employees are paid well below the national average. Hessenford
  • Score: 12

9:45am Wed 9 Jul 14

Minty Fresh says...

If you moronic Councillors hadn't wasted so much money on the Imax and surf reef there would be enough money to pay staff the going rate. Shame on you Beesley. Do us all a favour and resign. That would save a few quid.
And before you go, can you please cancel that rubbish quarterly rag BH Life. I don't read it. I don't want it through my door and I DO NOT want MY council tax going toward paying for it to be expensively produced and distributed.
End of rant.
If you moronic Councillors hadn't wasted so much money on the Imax and surf reef there would be enough money to pay staff the going rate. Shame on you Beesley. Do us all a favour and resign. That would save a few quid. And before you go, can you please cancel that rubbish quarterly rag BH Life. I don't read it. I don't want it through my door and I DO NOT want MY council tax going toward paying for it to be expensively produced and distributed. End of rant. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 15

9:50am Wed 9 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

Beelsey lives in his own crazy little world insulated from reality insulated from reality by his sycophantic council colleagues. He has no concept of how people on low incomes struggle to make ends meet.
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It is completely unacceptable that front line council workers are suffering whilst no effort is being made to reducing costs in the Council Chamber. Bournemouth has a far higher number of Councillors than a Borough of this size credits.
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In Bristol there are only 2 councillors per ward, in Bournemouth there are 3 councillors per ward.
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Bristol – Population 437,500 Councillors 70 – 1 councillor per 6,250 residents
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Bournemouth – Population 168,100 Councillors 54 – 1 councillor per 3,112 residents.
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If Bournemouth only followed the Bristol model of 2 councillors per ward we could reduce the size of the Council chamber by 18 Councillors and use the money saved towards increasing the wages of the lowest paid workers
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What about cutting the generous allowances and expenses paid to Councillors ? Is it acceptable that the Filer and Green households are pocketing over £40k each whilst the lowest paid Council worker is paid a mere £12k a year.
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Another difference between Bristol and Bournemouth is that Bristol are striving to work towards paying their lowest paid workers a living wage.
Beelsey lives in his own crazy little world insulated from reality insulated from reality by his sycophantic council colleagues. He has no concept of how people on low incomes struggle to make ends meet. . It is completely unacceptable that front line council workers are suffering whilst no effort is being made to reducing costs in the Council Chamber. Bournemouth has a far higher number of Councillors than a Borough of this size credits. . In Bristol there are only 2 councillors per ward, in Bournemouth there are 3 councillors per ward. . Bristol – Population 437,500 Councillors 70 – 1 councillor per 6,250 residents . Bournemouth – Population 168,100 Councillors 54 – 1 councillor per 3,112 residents. . If Bournemouth only followed the Bristol model of 2 councillors per ward we could reduce the size of the Council chamber by 18 Councillors and use the money saved towards increasing the wages of the lowest paid workers . What about cutting the generous allowances and expenses paid to Councillors ? Is it acceptable that the Filer and Green households are pocketing over £40k each whilst the lowest paid Council worker is paid a mere £12k a year. . Another difference between Bristol and Bournemouth is that Bristol are striving to work towards paying their lowest paid workers a living wage. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 17

9:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

TheDistrict says...

Mr. John (deep pockets short arms) Beesley needs to look at his side of the table first. 54 Cllrs, with most doing nothing. I have only come across 2 that appear to be doing a lot more than others, and I believe they know who they are when they read this. 54 Cllrs could easily be reduced to 36, maybe in some wards down to 1. This would be a great saving on public funds, that could be resourced elsewhere. Cllr Beesley is quite happy to let workers work for less money, or blackmail them into submission by the threat of losing their jobs. One could imagine the outcry, the problems a mass dismissal from work would cause.

Local government could teach National Government, is a laugh. The LG has taken lessons from the NG, this is why, in particular Tory Councils, give the same response as does Westminster.

It is pleasing to know however, that May next year will see the likes of Beesley out on his jacksie. Of course, he will never resort to Food Banks, or 2nd hand bargains. How can a town of working class people be led by such a pompous ****.
Mr. John (deep pockets short arms) Beesley needs to look at his side of the table first. 54 Cllrs, with most doing nothing. I have only come across 2 that appear to be doing a lot more than others, and I believe they know who they are when they read this. 54 Cllrs could easily be reduced to 36, maybe in some wards down to 1. This would be a great saving on public funds, that could be resourced elsewhere. Cllr Beesley is quite happy to let workers work for less money, or blackmail them into submission by the threat of losing their jobs. One could imagine the outcry, the problems a mass dismissal from work would cause. Local government could teach National Government, is a laugh. The LG has taken lessons from the NG, this is why, in particular Tory Councils, give the same response as does Westminster. It is pleasing to know however, that May next year will see the likes of Beesley out on his jacksie. Of course, he will never resort to Food Banks, or 2nd hand bargains. How can a town of working class people be led by such a pompous ****. TheDistrict
  • Score: 8

10:26am Wed 9 Jul 14

Fred Kite says...

Typical Tory Master and Serf attitude has he ever visited Tolpuddle?
Typical Tory Master and Serf attitude has he ever visited Tolpuddle? Fred Kite
  • Score: -2

10:33am Wed 9 Jul 14

Fingersonthem says...

Mary Antoinette Beesley let them eat cake.
Mary Antoinette Beesley let them eat cake. Fingersonthem
  • Score: 1

10:54am Wed 9 Jul 14

Franks Tank says...

djd wrote:
How much are they spending on ridiculous schemes like Castle Lane West and Christchurch Road roadworks to put in a few cycle lanes and more green paint on the road and yet more traffic lights??
How far would that go if it was given to the lower paid council workers for the work they do??
That's odd, there's plenty on here think that sort of thing is paid for out of their "ROAD TAX".....
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: How much are they spending on ridiculous schemes like Castle Lane West and Christchurch Road roadworks to put in a few cycle lanes and more green paint on the road and yet more traffic lights?? How far would that go if it was given to the lower paid council workers for the work they do??[/p][/quote]That's odd, there's plenty on here think that sort of thing is paid for out of their "ROAD TAX"..... Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

11:17am Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with. Hessenford
  • Score: 6

11:42am Wed 9 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Says you who probably have plenty of money. Tories can never understand what living on a budget is like. Oh yes by the way it was the greedy rich BANKERS who messed things up NOT Labour. I suggest you keep taking the medication
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Says you who probably have plenty of money. Tories can never understand what living on a budget is like. Oh yes by the way it was the greedy rich BANKERS who messed things up NOT Labour. I suggest you keep taking the medication Petelucas
  • Score: 1

11:43am Wed 9 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Says you who probably have plenty of money. Tories can never understand what living on a budget is like. Oh yes by the way it was the greedy rich BANKERS who messed things up NOT Labour. I suggest you keep taking the medication
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Says you who probably have plenty of money. Tories can never understand what living on a budget is like. Oh yes by the way it was the greedy rich BANKERS who messed things up NOT Labour. I suggest you keep taking the medication Petelucas
  • Score: -1

11:48am Wed 9 Jul 14

Trifecta says...

It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat. Trifecta
  • Score: -4

11:55am Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Trifecta wrote:
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
Plenty of jobs going in the NHS if you would like to apply, house keepers are required for about £7 per hour if you wouldn't mind clearing up blood, bodily fluids and cleaning toilets, put your mouth where your comment came from and have a suck on the taxpayers teat, even public service workers pay taxes, not just you.
[quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.[/p][/quote]Plenty of jobs going in the NHS if you would like to apply, house keepers are required for about £7 per hour if you wouldn't mind clearing up blood, bodily fluids and cleaning toilets, put your mouth where your comment came from and have a suck on the taxpayers teat, even public service workers pay taxes, not just you. Hessenford
  • Score: 4

12:13pm Wed 9 Jul 14

SurfReefFunTime says...

I work for Christchurch and East Dorset councils. Iam not striking! I can't afford loosing a day of pay.

Also I fail to see the strike will do anything anyway and we have lots going on in my team - not that i care.

My salary sits roughly in the average range for equivilant positions in the private and public sector.

But fair play for the strikers. I have only just reached the top of my salary range. Id imagine if I stayed in the same job without any progression I would be annoyed if the cost of living was going up and my wage didnt increase. I would think a 2% rise would be better. We all have to understand there is a squeeze on finances and people are loosing their jobs all over the public sector! Its no longer a job for life!

If you don't like it skill up and move on. The public sector could do something as well - like not wasting money on stupid projects!!!

The salaries of senior managers I would say are reasonable when compared to the private sector. Infact alot of public sector workers could earn more in the private sector.
I work for Christchurch and East Dorset councils. Iam not striking! I can't afford loosing a day of pay. Also I fail to see the strike will do anything anyway and we have lots going on in my team - not that i care. My salary sits roughly in the average range for equivilant positions in the private and public sector. But fair play for the strikers. I have only just reached the top of my salary range. Id imagine if I stayed in the same job without any progression I would be annoyed if the cost of living was going up and my wage didnt increase. I would think a 2% rise would be better. We all have to understand there is a squeeze on finances and people are loosing their jobs all over the public sector! Its no longer a job for life! If you don't like it skill up and move on. The public sector could do something as well - like not wasting money on stupid projects!!! The salaries of senior managers I would say are reasonable when compared to the private sector. Infact alot of public sector workers could earn more in the private sector. SurfReefFunTime
  • Score: 1

12:31pm Wed 9 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -2

12:49pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete![/p][/quote]We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument. Hessenford
  • Score: 9

12:54pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Phixer says...

Derf wrote:
“the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year."

Give them what they want I say.
Very good! How deep are your pockets? Is there enough in your bank accounts to fund the extra council tax?

Why do the simpletons of this world think that throwing more money at a problem will make it go away. So much money has been thrown at the NHS yet still it is a public sector disaster zone.
[quote][p][bold]Derf[/bold] wrote: “the lowest paid in local government get £6.75 an hour, we are by far the lowest of all the public services. If you’re looking at a normal large employer like Tesco, they pay £6.91 a year." Give them what they want I say.[/p][/quote]Very good! How deep are your pockets? Is there enough in your bank accounts to fund the extra council tax? Why do the simpletons of this world think that throwing more money at a problem will make it go away. So much money has been thrown at the NHS yet still it is a public sector disaster zone. Phixer
  • Score: -1

12:59pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Trifecta says...

I note with interest that you fail to comment about your guaranteed pension, various subsidies and protected employment. Yours is the politics of envy Hessenford and you should look around at your fellow working man and realise that you are not so badly off. First world problems eh!
I note with interest that you fail to comment about your guaranteed pension, various subsidies and protected employment. Yours is the politics of envy Hessenford and you should look around at your fellow working man and realise that you are not so badly off. First world problems eh! Trifecta
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Wed 9 Jul 14

THEREDS1892 says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Hey another prat who has no idea what council workers have to do!put up with Let him pick up hyperdermic needles from drug users,see If he will pick up and clear up dog waste on the paths, or remove graffiti from dangerous areas we just want equal pay! & as for Mr Beesley let him tell you that he is only on £50.000 py.......just shut up Mr.Beesley you of all people should know we have a wright to strike. ....democracy!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Hey another prat who has no idea what council workers have to do!put up with Let him pick up hyperdermic needles from drug users,see If he will pick up and clear up dog waste on the paths, or remove graffiti from dangerous areas we just want equal pay! & as for Mr Beesley let him tell you that he is only on £50.000 py.......just shut up Mr.Beesley you of all people should know we have a wright to strike. ....democracy! THEREDS1892
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Wed 9 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.
So what you are saying is that the Council had plenty of money but spent it all on non-essential services, sounds par for the course!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete![/p][/quote]We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying is that the Council had plenty of money but spent it all on non-essential services, sounds par for the course! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 1

1:17pm Wed 9 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.
Look at the balance of payments and government borrowing. Labour borrowed in order to take on a million extra jobsworths. The waste of wealth you mention is because councils tend to be run by 'butchers, bakers and candlestick makers', you never see engineers or scientists on councils because they've got much better things to do!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete![/p][/quote]We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.[/p][/quote]Look at the balance of payments and government borrowing. Labour borrowed in order to take on a million extra jobsworths. The waste of wealth you mention is because councils tend to be run by 'butchers, bakers and candlestick makers', you never see engineers or scientists on councils because they've got much better things to do! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: -3

1:21pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Franks Tank says...

Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.
Just the other day you were arguing that cycle lanes were paid for out of your "ROAD TAX", have you change you mind?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete![/p][/quote]We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.[/p][/quote]Just the other day you were arguing that cycle lanes were paid for out of your "ROAD TAX", have you change you mind? Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

1:44pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

THEREDS1892 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Hey another prat who has no idea what council workers have to do!put up with Let him pick up hyperdermic needles from drug users,see If he will pick up and clear up dog waste on the paths, or remove graffiti from dangerous areas we just want equal pay! & as for Mr Beesley let him tell you that he is only on £50.000 py.......just shut up Mr.Beesley you of all people should know we have a wright to strike. ....democracy!
Considering the fact that you are about to lose a days pay whilst protesting about the fact you don't have enough money and knowing full well the strike will actually achieve nothing, do you seriously think you have the right to call anyone else a prat. You and many others who do not even work in the public sector will lose money over this strike and it still won't make a blind bit of difference. It is what I would call a pointless exercise.

Of course the unions will love it, they will not be losing any money at all because the british workers will still have to pay their subs anyway, which means their wages are safe.
[quote][p][bold]THEREDS1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Hey another prat who has no idea what council workers have to do!put up with Let him pick up hyperdermic needles from drug users,see If he will pick up and clear up dog waste on the paths, or remove graffiti from dangerous areas we just want equal pay! & as for Mr Beesley let him tell you that he is only on £50.000 py.......just shut up Mr.Beesley you of all people should know we have a wright to strike. ....democracy![/p][/quote]Considering the fact that you are about to lose a days pay whilst protesting about the fact you don't have enough money and knowing full well the strike will actually achieve nothing, do you seriously think you have the right to call anyone else a prat. You and many others who do not even work in the public sector will lose money over this strike and it still won't make a blind bit of difference. It is what I would call a pointless exercise. Of course the unions will love it, they will not be losing any money at all because the british workers will still have to pay their subs anyway, which means their wages are safe. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -6

3:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

NickTheGreekinBmth says...

fartycat wrote:
‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job.
Is it a part time job? How would you know that? Isn't it the job that's ultimately and democratically accountable for multi-million pound service provision ?
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: ‘Better pay would mean job losses' says man on £36 grand a year for a part time job.[/p][/quote]Is it a part time job? How would you know that? Isn't it the job that's ultimately and democratically accountable for multi-million pound service provision ? NickTheGreekinBmth
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Trifecta wrote:
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.[/p][/quote]What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems. Baysider
  • Score: 5

5:15pm Wed 9 Jul 14

downmoor-ch63 says...

Fingersonthem wrote:
Mary Antoinette Beesley let them eat cake.
Did I not read somewhere, that that was the reply that Mrs THATCHER, gave to an OLD AGE PENSIONER who only moaned to her that she couldn't afford food on the pension she was getting. The U.K. has been conned by the cons for as long as I can remember, but to be fair, they do go out to VOTE for what ever they believe in, but you that moan at what they have/have not done, have nothing to moan about.
[quote][p][bold]Fingersonthem[/bold] wrote: Mary Antoinette Beesley let them eat cake.[/p][/quote]Did I not read somewhere, that that was the reply that Mrs THATCHER, gave to an OLD AGE PENSIONER who only moaned to her that she couldn't afford food on the pension she was getting. The U.K. has been conned by the cons for as long as I can remember, but to be fair, they do go out to VOTE for what ever they believe in, but you that moan at what they have/have not done, have nothing to moan about. downmoor-ch63
  • Score: -1

5:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Trifecta wrote:
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.
Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council?

As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.[/p][/quote]What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council? As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Wed 9 Jul 14

retrogeoff says...

As a regular reader of Private Eye and an observer of Council leadership in this region (thanks to the Echo) over a number of years, the urge to participate in any protest is strong. The main thing though is to vote on every occasion in the acquired knowledge of the usually poor performance of individual councillors at all levels. Many councillors would benefit from increased analysis and early retirement from public life. I question their motives and they too need to do some some soul searching. I am sure many of them are demented.
As a regular reader of Private Eye and an observer of Council leadership in this region (thanks to the Echo) over a number of years, the urge to participate in any protest is strong. The main thing though is to vote on every occasion in the acquired knowledge of the usually poor performance of individual councillors at all levels. Many councillors would benefit from increased analysis and early retirement from public life. I question their motives and they too need to do some some soul searching. I am sure many of them are demented. retrogeoff
  • Score: 3

6:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

s-pb2 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Trifecta wrote:
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.
Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council?

As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package.
I know 1 or 2 guys who work for the council and they work weekends and evenings as well as their normal weekday hours and they dont get a penny more. Its expected to be part of their job. They have told me the conditions they work in are awful and the tools they are given to do their job are so poor it makes their role doubly difficult. As for your example of pay the guys I know who work for the council get absolutely nowhere near that figure.

I also know of 1 or 2 others who run at least a second job to get by, and they are highly skilled workers.

If you or your fellow cohorts in UKIP are serious about getting into council, then you really need a basic understanding of the work the council does. From your regular posts on here it is evident you dont really have a clue what the frontline workers actually do. Although elsewhere on this article its encouraging to see so many thought through comments rather than the knee jerk reaction we usually get.

Beesley is getting his knickers in a twist because of the local government conference in town this week and it reflects badly on him if workers from his own council end up picketing the conference. Im sure the council employees have noted that he suddenly has an interest in their situation
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.[/p][/quote]What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council? As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package.[/p][/quote]I know 1 or 2 guys who work for the council and they work weekends and evenings as well as their normal weekday hours and they dont get a penny more. Its expected to be part of their job. They have told me the conditions they work in are awful and the tools they are given to do their job are so poor it makes their role doubly difficult. As for your example of pay the guys I know who work for the council get absolutely nowhere near that figure. I also know of 1 or 2 others who run at least a second job to get by, and they are highly skilled workers. If you or your fellow cohorts in UKIP are serious about getting into council, then you really need a basic understanding of the work the council does. From your regular posts on here it is evident you dont really have a clue what the frontline workers actually do. Although elsewhere on this article its encouraging to see so many thought through comments rather than the knee jerk reaction we usually get. Beesley is getting his knickers in a twist because of the local government conference in town this week and it reflects badly on him if workers from his own council end up picketing the conference. Im sure the council employees have noted that he suddenly has an interest in their situation s-pb2
  • Score: 10

8:16pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Judaas says...

Realistic pay rises may have been paid if the council had not signed up to over expensive contract with Mouchel who proved totally useless in the department I worked. They managed to increase the employee costs by making another manager's post at the cost of a hands on worker, for a HUGE FEE OF £250,000. During the consultation period they failed to turn up to meetings the vast majority of the time, so how they earned their £250,000 I don't know.
Realistic pay rises may have been paid if the council had not signed up to over expensive contract with Mouchel who proved totally useless in the department I worked. They managed to increase the employee costs by making another manager's post at the cost of a hands on worker, for a HUGE FEE OF £250,000. During the consultation period they failed to turn up to meetings the vast majority of the time, so how they earned their £250,000 I don't know. Judaas
  • Score: 5

8:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Trifecta wrote:
It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.
What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.
Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council?

As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package.
For the most part these is no financial reimbursement for those who work out of hours but it varies department to department.

Staff such as bin men do really well out of the current situation and get a premium but most staff get time off in lieu and no top up for working nights or weekends.

The council recently tried to bring everyone in line with the same contractual bonuses for everyone for things like out of hours, etc but the staff who make the most out of the status quo threatened to strike as bringing everyone in line meant to reducing the premiums of the few who get them.

An environmental health officer may earn that much but the vast majority of council staff don't. Out of 17 vacancies currently advertised on the council's website two pay over the national average of £26k and one pays on or over it at the top of the band.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote: It's not just the pay though. Public service workers generally have better working conditions, better union representation and much better pensions than the private sector and if conditions really are that tough (the union rep had heard about a member having to use a food bank, not much of a rep is he? ) then resign and let somebody else have a suck on the taxpayers teat.[/p][/quote]What an ugly analogy and belies your and many others appalling attitude to those providing public services. Public sector workers are disproportionately at risk of abuse or physical assault, often doing very unpleasant, complicated and stressful types of work for little financial reward sometimes at unsocial hours and are completely under valued by both the public and the employers it seems.[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong but is there not financial reimbursement for those who have to work out of hours in the council? As an example: Salaries for qualified environmental health officers in the UK tend to be in the range of £29,000 to £35,000 a year + benefits + pension. I certainly wouldn't mind being called out at 2am if I was on that package.[/p][/quote]For the most part these is no financial reimbursement for those who work out of hours but it varies department to department. Staff such as bin men do really well out of the current situation and get a premium but most staff get time off in lieu and no top up for working nights or weekends. The council recently tried to bring everyone in line with the same contractual bonuses for everyone for things like out of hours, etc but the staff who make the most out of the status quo threatened to strike as bringing everyone in line meant to reducing the premiums of the few who get them. An environmental health officer may earn that much but the vast majority of council staff don't. Out of 17 vacancies currently advertised on the council's website two pay over the national average of £26k and one pays on or over it at the top of the band. rozmister
  • Score: 7

10:25pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.
The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government!
Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet!
Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage.
Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.
...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades!
Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete!
We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.
Just the other day you were arguing that cycle lanes were paid for out of your "ROAD TAX", have you change you mind?
No I didn't, I said that motorists pay through the nose to use the road via VED, insurance and having a valid MOT, neither of which cyclists have to pay out for, anyway that's a different story to this one, goodbye.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Yep. As expected, ignore the facts of the matter ie years and years of pay freezes or below inflation rises (and a hugely downgraded pension btw) and focus on how many council workers may or may not collect your rubbish on a Bank Holiday, or provide meals on wheels on a Sunday or sweep the beaches at 5:00am or turn up at 2:00am to deal with a noisy party. You're right most don't work those unsociable hours but many do. But that's not the issue, the issue is how long you and the employers expect council workers to subsidise their budgets out of their pocket by accepting yet another below inflation rise. No one takes a job in local government to get rich after all but apparently you don't want them to even have a chance of having a improvement in their standard of living.[/p][/quote]The underlying problem is that you have to create wealth in order to provide public services. By now government should have realised that you can't just keep making money out of money and that we have to make more of the things we need ourselves in order to create real wealth. Under the last Labour government the only growth industry in this country was local government! Try googling 'public v's private sector pay', average public sector pay is still substantially higher than in the private sector the pay freeze in the public sector needs to continue for some time yet![/p][/quote]Remember what you said when you or your family next need the services of an ambulance, doctor, hospital care, low wages breeds low morale which in turn breeds the "I don't give a dam anymore", you and I both need the public services, excellent and life saving vital treatment should be rewarded with a decent wage. Nurses are paid well below the average wage for the crap they have to put up with.[/p][/quote]...'rewarded with a decent wage'...Yes, but only if we are generating the wealth to pay for it, and we haven't been, for decades! Low wages in the private sector means you are not competitive enough, in the public sector of course you don't have to compete![/p][/quote]We seem to generate enough wealth to pay council chief execs and NHS chairmen more than the prime minister plus the vast number of pen pushers who also claim expenses in their thousands, Bournemouth council also has had enough wealth to waste a good slice on the surf reef which never worked, miles and miles of cycle lanes which even cyclists don't want and enough wealth to buy the Imax, plus thousands on other hair brained schemes which shouldn't go ahead if there's not enough wealth, so don't give me, "There's not enough wealth" argument.[/p][/quote]Just the other day you were arguing that cycle lanes were paid for out of your "ROAD TAX", have you change you mind?[/p][/quote]No I didn't, I said that motorists pay through the nose to use the road via VED, insurance and having a valid MOT, neither of which cyclists have to pay out for, anyway that's a different story to this one, goodbye. Hessenford
  • Score: -1

11:37pm Wed 9 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

11:40pm Wed 9 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Monty Python did *NOT* do the Four Yorkshire men sketch.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Monty Python did *NOT* do the Four Yorkshire men sketch. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

11:56pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.
Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.
Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,
Monty Python did *NOT* do the Four Yorkshire men sketch.
You could be wrong there

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxT
yo
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: They could always get a job at Tesco if unhappy, they work weekends, bank holidays late evenings, have crap pensions and holiday entitlements! I'm tired of hearing public sector workers constant moaning. They should also remember that Labour wrecked the economy and caused this problem .... God help us if they get elected again.[/p][/quote]Well all this is manna from heaven for the council haters like you eh Jobbie? The fact that many, many council workers work unsociable hours, weekends, Bank Holidays providing essential services doesn't register with you because it doesn't fit with your preconceptions. If you want your bins collected, if you want your children taught, your elderly relatives fed and cleaned, your food premises made safe, your public spaces maintained and a 1000 other things your local council does for you it's not unreasonable to expect to pay someone a fair wage for providing those services. And that is all that is being asked for after taking a disproportionate hit on pay for many years now. As for Labour being responsible wrecking the economy we've had that discussion many times before but you have still yet to acknowledge that it is a WORLDWIDE recession due to the banking sectors greed and mismanagement that is the root cause of the issue and not due to the spending of the last government.[/p][/quote]Most don't work unsociable hours though. Your rant sounds like the 4 Yorkshire men sketch from Monty Python ,,, work 25 hour day, 8 days a week and pay council for privilege ,,,,[/p][/quote]Monty Python did *NOT* do the Four Yorkshire men sketch.[/p][/quote]You could be wrong there http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxT yo Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

1:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

rozmister says...

breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all. rozmister
  • Score: 6

6:56am Thu 10 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 4

9:07am Thu 10 Jul 14

Boscgrrl says...

The best jobs in Bournemouth are in the public sector. Many public sector employees have had incremental pay increases which are not effected by pay freezes. The jobs may be hard, but in Bournemouth an awful lot of people are working as carers or in call centres with little security and minimum wages and would love to work for the council.
The best jobs in Bournemouth are in the public sector. Many public sector employees have had incremental pay increases which are not effected by pay freezes. The jobs may be hard, but in Bournemouth an awful lot of people are working as carers or in call centres with little security and minimum wages and would love to work for the council. Boscgrrl
  • Score: 1

9:43am Thu 10 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/business-26512
643
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643 Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

9:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-26512

643
You should've read more than just the headline....

"...Stripping out the influence of various job and personal characteristics - not just the effect of jobs requiring high levels of skill or higher educational qualifications, but also factors like age, experience, gender and location of the jobs - then the pay difference in favour of the public sector shrank to between 2.2% and 3.1%.

And if the tendency for big employers - those with more than 500 staff - to pay higher wages was also removed, then the balance of average pay moved in favour of the private sector as the public sector is mainly made up of large employers.

The ONS said that taking all those factors into account, then the private sector's average weekly pay rates in 2013 were in fact between 1.3% and 2.4% higher than those of the public sector.

"Average pay levels vary between the public and private sectors because of the different jobs and characteristics of the people within each sector," said the ONS.

"The average pay difference in favour of the public sector has narrowed since the year 2010, which in part reflects the restraints on public sector pay over this period," it said..."
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]You should've read more than just the headline.... "...Stripping out the influence of various job and personal characteristics - not just the effect of jobs requiring high levels of skill or higher educational qualifications, but also factors like age, experience, gender and location of the jobs - then the pay difference in favour of the public sector shrank to between 2.2% and 3.1%. And if the tendency for big employers - those with more than 500 staff - to pay higher wages was also removed, then the balance of average pay moved in favour of the private sector as the public sector is mainly made up of large employers. The ONS said that taking all those factors into account, then the private sector's average weekly pay rates in 2013 were in fact between 1.3% and 2.4% higher than those of the public sector. "Average pay levels vary between the public and private sectors because of the different jobs and characteristics of the people within each sector," said the ONS. "The average pay difference in favour of the public sector has narrowed since the year 2010, which in part reflects the restraints on public sector pay over this period," it said..." boardsandphotos
  • Score: 0

10:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/business-26512

643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine. rozmister
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/business-26512


643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -4

12:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/business-26512



643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion.

The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure.

The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion. The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure. The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 4

1:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/business-26512




643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion.

The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure.

The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.
Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ?
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion. The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure. The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.[/p][/quote]Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -4

2:30pm Thu 10 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk





/news/business-26512





643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion.

The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure.

The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.
Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ?
I've answered every point you've made on this thread, so have many others but you've ignored them all at every opportunity.

Your point - That Public Sector wages are better than Private Sector wages? Well the article you posted proved that wrong.

I certainly am enjoying my day off today, been to the gym, did some shopping and now I'm on the beach. Looking forward to a late afternoon cold beer shortly. I'm not sure why you are asking but thanks for checking.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion. The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure. The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.[/p][/quote]Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ?[/p][/quote]I've answered every point you've made on this thread, so have many others but you've ignored them all at every opportunity. Your point - That Public Sector wages are better than Private Sector wages? Well the article you posted proved that wrong. I certainly am enjoying my day off today, been to the gym, did some shopping and now I'm on the beach. Looking forward to a late afternoon cold beer shortly. I'm not sure why you are asking but thanks for checking. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 0

3:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk






/news/business-26512






643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion.

The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure.

The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.
Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ?
I've answered every point you've made on this thread, so have many others but you've ignored them all at every opportunity.

Your point - That Public Sector wages are better than Private Sector wages? Well the article you posted proved that wrong.

I certainly am enjoying my day off today, been to the gym, did some shopping and now I'm on the beach. Looking forward to a late afternoon cold beer shortly. I'm not sure why you are asking but thanks for checking.
"...Stripping out the influence of various job and personal characteristics - not just the effect of jobs requiring high levels of skill or higher educational qualifications, but also factors like age, experience, gender and location of the jobs - then the pay difference in favour of the public sector shrank to between 2.2% and 3.1%."

Stripping out the higher end pay makes it so the private sector is earning more, that is what is known as cooking the books, what part of that do you not actually understand. The average earnings in public sector is higher than in the private sector that is what the article clearly shows. As I have stated numerous times I disagree with pay rises being below rate of inflation because that equates to pay cuts, I simply do not understand what they hope to achieve by this strike action other than the unions having a pop at the government at the expense of those who have had no say in any of it. - Enjoy your beer
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]I don't believe you read that whole article at all, there is no way if I had a view like yours I'd have posted that article to back up my opinion. The ONS have done a very good job of explaining the most simple comparisson then gone on to break it down further to show WHY that statistic (the golden one you thought you had in the headline) was actually as a result of an unfair measure. The simple fact is like for like in Public vs Private the wages are better in the Private sector. Sorry that doesn't fit with your view but you posted the article, not me.[/p][/quote]Well whether you believe I read it or not is quite irellevent, you just keep on ignoring my actual point while spouting complete and utter nonsense, are you enjoying your day off today ?[/p][/quote]I've answered every point you've made on this thread, so have many others but you've ignored them all at every opportunity. Your point - That Public Sector wages are better than Private Sector wages? Well the article you posted proved that wrong. I certainly am enjoying my day off today, been to the gym, did some shopping and now I'm on the beach. Looking forward to a late afternoon cold beer shortly. I'm not sure why you are asking but thanks for checking.[/p][/quote]"...Stripping out the influence of various job and personal characteristics - not just the effect of jobs requiring high levels of skill or higher educational qualifications, but also factors like age, experience, gender and location of the jobs - then the pay difference in favour of the public sector shrank to between 2.2% and 3.1%." Stripping out the higher end pay makes it so the private sector is earning more, that is what is known as cooking the books, what part of that do you not actually understand. The average earnings in public sector is higher than in the private sector that is what the article clearly shows. As I have stated numerous times I disagree with pay rises being below rate of inflation because that equates to pay cuts, I simply do not understand what they hope to achieve by this strike action other than the unions having a pop at the government at the expense of those who have had no say in any of it. - Enjoy your beer Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -3

8:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk



/news/business-26512



643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
Reading obviously isn't your strongest skill, I've already explained why I work in the public sector in one my previous posts. I work in the public sector, and I'm **** proud to, because I feel passionately about doing the best for my community. It gives me much greater satisfaction to work for the people than to line a money grabbing businesses pockets.

I'm so young I doubt I'll see my pension until I'm 75 at the earliest (as the age keeps creeping up) which is about 50 years away so that doesn't really interest me and the benefits of being in the council don't really apply to me. I'm too young to have kids so no maternity pay or flexible working for me and I don't get sick a lot so I'm not even sure what my sick benefits are.

I didn't actually strike today, I feel lucky to have my job and being the generation I am I know only too well how common it is to be left unemployed with nothing because many people my age are. The reason I responded to you was because I'm not going to sit back and watch someone slate council workers when the vast majority of my colleagues are great people who don't earn huge wages and work bloody hard to serve the people in a tough financial climate with little to no thanks and everyone waiting to rip a strip off them.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]Reading obviously isn't your strongest skill, I've already explained why I work in the public sector in one my previous posts. I work in the public sector, and I'm **** proud to, because I feel passionately about doing the best for my community. It gives me much greater satisfaction to work for the people than to line a money grabbing businesses pockets. I'm so young I doubt I'll see my pension until I'm 75 at the earliest (as the age keeps creeping up) which is about 50 years away so that doesn't really interest me and the benefits of being in the council don't really apply to me. I'm too young to have kids so no maternity pay or flexible working for me and I don't get sick a lot so I'm not even sure what my sick benefits are. I didn't actually strike today, I feel lucky to have my job and being the generation I am I know only too well how common it is to be left unemployed with nothing because many people my age are. The reason I responded to you was because I'm not going to sit back and watch someone slate council workers when the vast majority of my colleagues are great people who don't earn huge wages and work bloody hard to serve the people in a tough financial climate with little to no thanks and everyone waiting to rip a strip off them. rozmister
  • Score: 2

1:48pm Sun 13 Jul 14

The Archer says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Beelsey lives in his own crazy little world insulated from reality insulated from reality by his sycophantic council colleagues. He has no concept of how people on low incomes struggle to make ends meet.
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It is completely unacceptable that front line council workers are suffering whilst no effort is being made to reducing costs in the Council Chamber. Bournemouth has a far higher number of Councillors than a Borough of this size credits.
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In Bristol there are only 2 councillors per ward, in Bournemouth there are 3 councillors per ward.
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Bristol – Population 437,500 Councillors 70 – 1 councillor per 6,250 residents
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Bournemouth – Population 168,100 Councillors 54 – 1 councillor per 3,112 residents.
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If Bournemouth only followed the Bristol model of 2 councillors per ward we could reduce the size of the Council chamber by 18 Councillors and use the money saved towards increasing the wages of the lowest paid workers
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What about cutting the generous allowances and expenses paid to Councillors ? Is it acceptable that the Filer and Green households are pocketing over £40k each whilst the lowest paid Council worker is paid a mere £12k a year.
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Another difference between Bristol and Bournemouth is that Bristol are striving to work towards paying their lowest paid workers a living wage.
from what I understand Bournemouth Council is one of the richest in the country and without doubt waste more money than most. wherever did they get the idea that beach bum surfers could afford £250,000 surf pods
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Beelsey lives in his own crazy little world insulated from reality insulated from reality by his sycophantic council colleagues. He has no concept of how people on low incomes struggle to make ends meet. . It is completely unacceptable that front line council workers are suffering whilst no effort is being made to reducing costs in the Council Chamber. Bournemouth has a far higher number of Councillors than a Borough of this size credits. . In Bristol there are only 2 councillors per ward, in Bournemouth there are 3 councillors per ward. . Bristol – Population 437,500 Councillors 70 – 1 councillor per 6,250 residents . Bournemouth – Population 168,100 Councillors 54 – 1 councillor per 3,112 residents. . If Bournemouth only followed the Bristol model of 2 councillors per ward we could reduce the size of the Council chamber by 18 Councillors and use the money saved towards increasing the wages of the lowest paid workers . What about cutting the generous allowances and expenses paid to Councillors ? Is it acceptable that the Filer and Green households are pocketing over £40k each whilst the lowest paid Council worker is paid a mere £12k a year. . Another difference between Bristol and Bournemouth is that Bristol are striving to work towards paying their lowest paid workers a living wage.[/p][/quote]from what I understand Bournemouth Council is one of the richest in the country and without doubt waste more money than most. wherever did they get the idea that beach bum surfers could afford £250,000 surf pods The Archer
  • Score: 1

6:31pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mikeymagic says...

rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
rozmister wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
skydriver wrote:
It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work..
And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.
And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.
Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.
But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles.

Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have.

If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.
Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you.

As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension.

A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.
Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector...

http://www.bbc.co.uk




/news/business-26512




643
It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages.

In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.
Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want.

All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.
Reading obviously isn't your strongest skill, I've already explained why I work in the public sector in one my previous posts. I work in the public sector, and I'm **** proud to, because I feel passionately about doing the best for my community. It gives me much greater satisfaction to work for the people than to line a money grabbing businesses pockets.

I'm so young I doubt I'll see my pension until I'm 75 at the earliest (as the age keeps creeping up) which is about 50 years away so that doesn't really interest me and the benefits of being in the council don't really apply to me. I'm too young to have kids so no maternity pay or flexible working for me and I don't get sick a lot so I'm not even sure what my sick benefits are.

I didn't actually strike today, I feel lucky to have my job and being the generation I am I know only too well how common it is to be left unemployed with nothing because many people my age are. The reason I responded to you was because I'm not going to sit back and watch someone slate council workers when the vast majority of my colleagues are great people who don't earn huge wages and work bloody hard to serve the people in a tough financial climate with little to no thanks and everyone waiting to rip a strip off them.
Tell this to your slack colleagues!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: It's very simple cut the councillors allowances and perks, get rid of the mayors car and driver, and that will allow more money for the people that really are doing the front line work.. And stop waiting money on daft signage welcoming drivers to Bournemouth, at vast cost.[/p][/quote]And also axe Public Sector gold plated pensions ,,,, that would vastly increase the amount of money available to provide front line services.[/p][/quote]Gold plated, more like solid gold in this day and age. The private sector don't get anything like it any more.[/p][/quote]But in the private sector pay is more likely to go up each year, there's often bonuses available and there's the opportunity to negotiate on pay instead of set banded roles. Also as previously mentioned council staff are quite likely to experience abuse & be attacked at work so it's not like they have it easy to match the lower wage. I've worked in the private sector, public sector & third sector and the public sector is the only place I've had to plan in advance how we'd deal with being attacked by the public. I'm not even in a primarily customer facing role & yet I've been on the receiving end of vile unnecessary abuse from the public whilst trying to help resolve a problem they have. If I wanted a simple life I could work in the private sector for more money and less hassle, instead I work for my community doing a thankless job. It's really frustrating to see comments on here implying all council workers are paid a mint, wasting taxpayers money & couldn't give a toss about the public. That's not my experience at all.[/p][/quote]Well said Rozmister and I can confirm everything you've said is true through family members that are in the same positiob as you. As I said earlier, not all Council workers just sit around wasting public money until such a time they can retire on a nice fat golden pension. A vast majority work hard to keep services running and generally don't get much reward for it.[/p][/quote]Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector... http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/business-26512 643[/p][/quote]It really helps if you read the full article before trying to use it to back up your views, as previously mentioned the difference is nothing overall (2.2% - 3.1%) when you take out the bias created by skilled workers. On top of that those statistics are national rather than regional so don't reflect the high cost of living in Bournemouth when comparing wages. In my area of work I would earn more in the private sector, my peers I studied with earn thousands more than me a year working in the private sector in similar roles and they receive generous bonuses on top if they hit their targets whereas it's just expected I'll hit mine.[/p][/quote]Then why do you stay in the public sector? Could it be the benefits and pension that those striking today conveniently ignore. By the way I did read the whole article and it was a clear indication of how the ONS tend to twist figures to get the best outcome they want. All of which does not alter my original point of this strike action will achieve nothing other than disrupting the lives of those who can't do anything about your situation.[/p][/quote]Reading obviously isn't your strongest skill, I've already explained why I work in the public sector in one my previous posts. I work in the public sector, and I'm **** proud to, because I feel passionately about doing the best for my community. It gives me much greater satisfaction to work for the people than to line a money grabbing businesses pockets. I'm so young I doubt I'll see my pension until I'm 75 at the earliest (as the age keeps creeping up) which is about 50 years away so that doesn't really interest me and the benefits of being in the council don't really apply to me. I'm too young to have kids so no maternity pay or flexible working for me and I don't get sick a lot so I'm not even sure what my sick benefits are. I didn't actually strike today, I feel lucky to have my job and being the generation I am I know only too well how common it is to be left unemployed with nothing because many people my age are. The reason I responded to you was because I'm not going to sit back and watch someone slate council workers when the vast majority of my colleagues are great people who don't earn huge wages and work bloody hard to serve the people in a tough financial climate with little to no thanks and everyone waiting to rip a strip off them.[/p][/quote]Tell this to your slack colleagues! mikeymagic
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