Castlepoint Shopping Park car park in Bournemouth to be rebuilt more than a decade after problems started

EXCLUSIVE: shopping centre to be rebuilt after years of problems

The scaffolding currently stabilising the car park

Peter Matthews, Mark Watt and Adrian Greenhalgh

The Daily Echo's front page in December 2005 when the car park had to be closed

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MULTI-million pound plans for the redevelopment of Castlepoint's flawed car park have been shown exclusively to the Daily Echo.

The proposals, which will see the current structure subjected to a five-year programme of repairs, are set to go before council planners this year.

If the scheme is given the green light, the first phase of work will begin in the spring of next year.

Developers say no more than two shops at a time will have to be closed under the scheme - and none will be closed for more than a fortnight.

Mark Watt, one of the Castlepoint Ltd Partnership's directors, said: “We have concluded the exhaustive and painstaking work on the solution to the defects in the car park here at Castlepoint.

“We are now in a position to progress to the next phase of what is a fairly major programme after liaising with the borough council and store managers.”

He said the “defective structures” - which first came to light just months after the centre was redeveloped - would be demolished entirely and rebuilt, with walkways as well as the car park itself to be enhanced.

“Various options were looked at over the years, with everything from, at one end, closing the centre completely to do this in one hit, to up to 13 phases of development considered,” Mr Watt said.

“This has been whittled down to the most effective and optimum scheme which ticks all of the boxes.”

The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works.

Each of the five phases will take approximately nine months to complete.

Mr Watt said there were currently around 3,000 car parking spaces available at Castlepoint, but even when redevelopment is underway, it is hoped that there will never be fewer than 2,500 available.

“We are talking about four to five years to achieve this work from start to finish,” he said.

Work will be carried out on car parking stretching from Sainsbury's at one end to B&Q at the other.

A separate group of businesses, which include Nando's and Frankie and Bennys, will not be affected.

Shops bordering the walkway will be closed for up to a week while work is completed, with no more than two businesses expected to be affected at any one time.

Adrian Greenhalgh, one of Kier Group's directors, refused to confirm the amount that would be spent on the rebuild, and would not comment on the reason behind the initial troubles with the structure.

However, he said: “The recommendations that were put forward by the experts have been addressed in the redesign.”

In 2006, a report by Arup for Castlepoint condemned the design, and blamed missing elastomeric bearings for connection failures in the car park.

Customers give their views

David Brindle, of Bournemouth, said: “The car park is new, but it's always looked the way it does now. It looks like it's about 20 years old.”

Linda Crowhurst, of Bournemouth, said: “I don't have any problem with the car park. I can come here, find a parking space and get on. It does look a bit crabby, but I just want to get to the shops when I'm here.”

Lauren Gascoigne, 21, of Bournemouth, said: “I find it alright to park here. There's always a space. It's probably about time they did something about it and tidied it up though.”

Nina Ltief, 43, of Bournemouth, said: “They did it wrong right from the beginning. I think they didn't design it well enough from the start. They rushed it, and now they have to re-do it.”

A shopping saga - the tale of Castlepoint

CASTLEPOINT was the biggest thing to happen to Bournemouth's shopping scene for decades when it opened in October 2003.

There had already been years of controversy about plans for a giant retail development on the site of the town's former Hampshire Centre.

But with big names such as Marks and Spencer, Next, B&Q, Sainsbury's and Asda taking up huge units on the Castle Lane West site, there was little doubt that it would draw the shoppers.

The £69million Castlepoint project was developed by the Castlemore Limited Partnership, consisting of Castlemore Securities, Standard Life Investments and Eagle Star Life Assurance Company.

Kier Build Ltd, a subsidiary of the Kier Group, was in charge of construction, but sub-contracted the design and build of the car park to CV Buchan Ltd, which in turn sub-contracted work to PCE Ltd, a specialist installer of pre-engineered concrete systems based in Warwickshire.

In May 2003 - six months before the 41-acre site properly opened - thousands of customers were turned away because the structure of the B&Q and Sainsbury's car park was judged unsafe.

But on opening day, the public came in their droves, with long traffic tailbacks. The centre attracted 10 million visitors in its first year and won a string of awards.

In May 2005, the entire lower level of the car park was shut without warning, days after B&Q was closed and a section of car park cordoned off pending a structural review. The car park was fully re-opened later that month.

Then, on the morning of December 1, came the shock announcement that Castlepoint was being closed immediately because of cracks in the concrete floor and columns.

Units began to re-open in mid-December, with the whole centre not fully open until the middle of January 2006. Large numbers of props were in place to shore up the car park.

Compensation claims from retailers followed. Hargreaves (Sports) issued a High Court writ alleging it had lost anticipated profits of £193,851 from the closure, but in common with most tenants, it settled its claim for damages after a compensation scheme was set up.

With so many parties involved, arranging the rebuild of the car park was going to be a complicated process. And in the meantime, the centre remained hugely popular with shoppers, even through a recession.

Timeline - from Hampshire Centre to car park rebuild

February 2000: Final permission is given for a replacement to the Hampshire Centre after years of debate.

October 2005: Castlepoint opens despite unfinished highway work.

May 2003: Reports of falling concrete lead to car park spaces being cordoned off.

December 1, 2005. Castlepoint car park closes without warning. Owners say this is due to cracks appearing in the concrete floor and columns of the car park.

Mid-December 2005: Five units re-open.

Mid-January 2006: The centre is fully open, with a temporary fix in place.

December 2006 - One year after the closure, Castlepoint is fit to bursting, with an estimated 100,000 cars visiting in a week. The number of Christmas shoppers is estimated at around a million.

February 2007 - TK Maxx becomes the first Castlepoint retailer to settle its compensation claim for loss of profits from the 2005 closure. Over the next few months, Hargreaves (Sports), Boots, Arcadia, New Look, Robert Dyas and Style Barratts follow suit.

May 2007 - David Paine, of Standard Life Investments, rules out work starting in 2007 July 2007 - Castlepoint says work could get underway in the early part of 2008 and refuses to rule out store closures.

June 2008 - Constructor Kier tests out some possible ideas for the rebuild. But David Paine, of Standard Life Investments, says its “unlikely” the rebuild will start this year.

February 2010 - The owners state that it is increasingly unlikely any building work will take place for at least another year.

November 2010 - The rebuild of the car park could be “years away,” shoppers are warned. Complex negotiations with shops and insurance companies means progress has been slow.

April 2011 - Negotiations to agree a plan to rebuild the car park are said to be at an “advanced stage.” It's expected the project could take around four years.

January 2013 - Centre owners say agreement is “within touching distance”.

July 2014 - The rebuild is finally announced

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6:50pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.
I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 13

6:59pm Tue 1 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.
Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.[/p][/quote]Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 12

7:03pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Kieran S says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.
Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again
The headline is a bit misleading, it might not be rebuilt. Its in the hands of the council.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.[/p][/quote]Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again[/p][/quote]The headline is a bit misleading, it might not be rebuilt. Its in the hands of the council. Kieran S
  • Score: 7

7:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Huey says...

Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs
Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs Huey
  • Score: -13

7:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years! muscliffman
  • Score: 33

7:36pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bonjovigirl says...

It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !! Bonjovigirl
  • Score: -7

7:43pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Bonjovigirl wrote:
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
I have always wondered why they didn't build it all under cover instead of having to walk in the open air in all weathers.
[quote][p][bold]Bonjovigirl[/bold] wrote: It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !![/p][/quote]I have always wondered why they didn't build it all under cover instead of having to walk in the open air in all weathers. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 33

7:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

melting pot says...

No doubt built by the cheapest bidder again..............T
hey'll never learn. You get what you pay for!
No doubt built by the cheapest bidder again..............T hey'll never learn. You get what you pay for! melting pot
  • Score: 9

8:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I've never been there. I hate shops, shopping, crowds of smelly people and traffic jams.

A destination to avoid at all costs.
I've never been there. I hate shops, shopping, crowds of smelly people and traffic jams. A destination to avoid at all costs. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -16

8:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

MPK83i says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Bonjovigirl wrote:
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
I have always wondered why they didn't build it all under cover instead of having to walk in the open air in all weathers.
Exactly! Try and avoid it myself, get wet walking from shop to shop, get wet under the car park. Shops are too far apart and to be Binet, only about 3 worth visiting! Should of been a designer outlet.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bonjovigirl[/bold] wrote: It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !![/p][/quote]I have always wondered why they didn't build it all under cover instead of having to walk in the open air in all weathers.[/p][/quote]Exactly! Try and avoid it myself, get wet walking from shop to shop, get wet under the car park. Shops are too far apart and to be Binet, only about 3 worth visiting! Should of been a designer outlet. MPK83i
  • Score: -7

8:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

saved sinner says...

I find Castlepoint a pleasure, as I am disabled and use a little disability scooter, and it is a joy to be able to ride around on my own going just where I want to go, without any restriction. It is ideal as it is so flat. I never go though when it is crowded, always choosing the time and the days.
I find Castlepoint a pleasure, as I am disabled and use a little disability scooter, and it is a joy to be able to ride around on my own going just where I want to go, without any restriction. It is ideal as it is so flat. I never go though when it is crowded, always choosing the time and the days. saved sinner
  • Score: 23

8:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

spooki says...

It's badly designed anyway, there's NO protection from rain, one side is ALWAYS cold as it's in the shade, the floor is slippery when it's wet, the public toilets plumbing is terrible, etc.
in 2005 it was deemed "safe" to staff as the shops were ok, it was the car park bit that's bu66ered. So for the last 9 years, we've had that awful, unsafe, ugly place to go for our nearest stop for groceries, never mind those who choose to go there for wandering aimlessly for hours.
About flipping time I say.
It's badly designed anyway, there's NO protection from rain, one side is ALWAYS cold as it's in the shade, the floor is slippery when it's wet, the public toilets plumbing is terrible, etc. in 2005 it was deemed "safe" to staff as the shops were ok, it was the car park bit that's bu66ered. So for the last 9 years, we've had that awful, unsafe, ugly place to go for our nearest stop for groceries, never mind those who choose to go there for wandering aimlessly for hours. About flipping time I say. spooki
  • Score: 9

8:38pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Mañana says...

EXCLUSIVE!! Really? Who did the Echo have to fight off to get this scoop? The Wimborne and Ferndown magazine? The Blackmore Vale?

Next week...Tourist takes picture in holiday shocker!!!
EXCLUSIVE!! Really? Who did the Echo have to fight off to get this scoop? The Wimborne and Ferndown magazine? The Blackmore Vale? Next week...Tourist takes picture in holiday shocker!!! Mañana
  • Score: 17

8:45pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
I think Drewitts built it, a local firm
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]I think Drewitts built it, a local firm Lord Spring
  • Score: 10

8:47pm Tue 1 Jul 14

nothing is I sortable says...

I just don't go there - used to before the transformation - it is now a nightmare getting there, parking and getting out, can count on one hand the amount of times I have been there
I just don't go there - used to before the transformation - it is now a nightmare getting there, parking and getting out, can count on one hand the amount of times I have been there nothing is I sortable
  • Score: -1

8:57pm Tue 1 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

Lord Spring wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
I think Drewitts built it, a local firm
The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]I think Drewitts built it, a local firm[/p][/quote]The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works. O'Reilly
  • Score: -5

9:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Happy 2 says...

Huey wrote:
Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs
It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer.
Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs[/p][/quote]It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer. Why do they need to tell us who how and why.? Happy 2
  • Score: 21

9:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Happy 2 says...

Huey wrote:
Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs
It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer.
Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs[/p][/quote]It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer. Why do they need to tell us who how and why.? Happy 2
  • Score: 14

9:05pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

O'Reilly wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
I think Drewitts built it, a local firm
The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works.
What have Kiers got to do with Mallard Road bus depot ?
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]I think Drewitts built it, a local firm[/p][/quote]The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works.[/p][/quote]What have Kiers got to do with Mallard Road bus depot ? Lord Spring
  • Score: 10

9:27pm Tue 1 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Bonjovigirl wrote:
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
The council aren't funding it from the article - the shopping centre company are although I'd imagine some money is coming from the original builder's insurers as well if they're still solvent. The council aren't responsible for every single thing built in Bournemouth although they do grant the planning.
[quote][p][bold]Bonjovigirl[/bold] wrote: It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !![/p][/quote]The council aren't funding it from the article - the shopping centre company are although I'd imagine some money is coming from the original builder's insurers as well if they're still solvent. The council aren't responsible for every single thing built in Bournemouth although they do grant the planning. rozmister
  • Score: 12

9:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ragj195 says...

nothing is I sortable wrote:
I just don't go there - used to before the transformation - it is now a nightmare getting there, parking and getting out, can count on one hand the amount of times I have been there
No it's not. There are a couple of hours on certain days when it can get really busy (late afternoon Saturday and Sunday), apart from that it's fine.
[quote][p][bold]nothing is I sortable[/bold] wrote: I just don't go there - used to before the transformation - it is now a nightmare getting there, parking and getting out, can count on one hand the amount of times I have been there[/p][/quote]No it's not. There are a couple of hours on certain days when it can get really busy (late afternoon Saturday and Sunday), apart from that it's fine. ragj195
  • Score: 2

10:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Baysider says...

rozmister wrote:
Bonjovigirl wrote:
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
The council aren't funding it from the article - the shopping centre company are although I'd imagine some money is coming from the original builder's insurers as well if they're still solvent. The council aren't responsible for every single thing built in Bournemouth although they do grant the planning.
...yeah but it so much more fun to pretend that it's always the council's fault and the private sector never mess up though.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bonjovigirl[/bold] wrote: It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !![/p][/quote]The council aren't funding it from the article - the shopping centre company are although I'd imagine some money is coming from the original builder's insurers as well if they're still solvent. The council aren't responsible for every single thing built in Bournemouth although they do grant the planning.[/p][/quote]...yeah but it so much more fun to pretend that it's always the council's fault and the private sector never mess up though. Baysider
  • Score: 10

10:15pm Tue 1 Jul 14

P Barker says...

There a large wasted space where the roundabouts are. They should extend the roof over them, and make the up ramp right at the start, so you join by Sainsburys, not in there middle of no where. Same with the B&Q end, have a down ramp which goes straight onto Castle lane.
There a large wasted space where the roundabouts are. They should extend the roof over them, and make the up ramp right at the start, so you join by Sainsburys, not in there middle of no where. Same with the B&Q end, have a down ramp which goes straight onto Castle lane. P Barker
  • Score: -4

10:54pm Tue 1 Jul 14

whataboutthat says...

Nice to see good money after bad...hee hee MrKier...oh you are a laugh...carry on concrete...blurghh!!
!!
Nice to see good money after bad...hee hee MrKier...oh you are a laugh...carry on concrete...blurghh!! !! whataboutthat
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Phixer says...

Happy 2 wrote:
Huey wrote:
Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs
It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer.
Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?
You're a bit naive if you think that Kiers and the shops are going to fund this out of the goodness of their hearts. The money will be recovered from the retailers by a premium on rents and insurances; that will be recovered by a subsidy through our purchases.
[quote][p][bold]Happy 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs[/p][/quote]It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer. Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?[/p][/quote]You're a bit naive if you think that Kiers and the shops are going to fund this out of the goodness of their hearts. The money will be recovered from the retailers by a premium on rents and insurances; that will be recovered by a subsidy through our purchases. Phixer
  • Score: 5

11:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Phixer says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.
Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again
Anyone want to lay a bet on when the rebuild falls apart again? Just before a busy shopping period perhaps?

There's nothing like giving the original cowboy builder another chance to screw up!
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: I'll believe it when it starts happening - they've been talking about it for years. I hate going in the lower car park as it has so many props holding up the top level and you get dripped on when it rains as there are so many holes.[/p][/quote]Constructor Kier Group are probably still recruiting Bank Holiday DIY dads from B&Q again[/p][/quote]Anyone want to lay a bet on when the rebuild falls apart again? Just before a busy shopping period perhaps? There's nothing like giving the original cowboy builder another chance to screw up! Phixer
  • Score: 3

11:09pm Tue 1 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Bonjovigirl wrote:
It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !!
Waste whose money?

I think you might need to do a little research. Start with Kier Group.
[quote][p][bold]Bonjovigirl[/bold] wrote: It should of been built like West Quay, I'd rather have The Hampshire centre back, at least it was safe, Castlepoint is a complete waste of money, looks a mess and built on unstable land was just stupid !!!! Typical of the council to waste more money trying to fix another mess just like The IMAX, The reef and closure of Ice Rink !![/p][/quote]Waste whose money? I think you might need to do a little research. Start with Kier Group. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 5

11:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Phixer wrote:
Happy 2 wrote:
Huey wrote:
Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs
It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer.
Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?
You're a bit naive if you think that Kiers and the shops are going to fund this out of the goodness of their hearts. The money will be recovered from the retailers by a premium on rents and insurances; that will be recovered by a subsidy through our purchases.
You could use that 'argument' with just about anything it's called free trade.

People don't have to shop their, if the prices are too high they will simply stop going.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happy 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Nothing should be done until we are told why it was made so poorly in the first place, how much it will cost to rebuild, and which organisation will foot the costs[/p][/quote]It's a private company (insurance) paying. Not the tax payer. Why do they need to tell us who how and why.?[/p][/quote]You're a bit naive if you think that Kiers and the shops are going to fund this out of the goodness of their hearts. The money will be recovered from the retailers by a premium on rents and insurances; that will be recovered by a subsidy through our purchases.[/p][/quote]You could use that 'argument' with just about anything it's called free trade. People don't have to shop their, if the prices are too high they will simply stop going. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 4

11:24pm Tue 1 Jul 14

bbird says...

Ok I suppose if you live nearby. But for me a total waste of time. No comparison with West Quay. Never go to Castlepoint. Dull, boring.
Ok I suppose if you live nearby. But for me a total waste of time. No comparison with West Quay. Never go to Castlepoint. Dull, boring. bbird
  • Score: 0

12:56am Wed 2 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

As a shopping venue I use Poole high st.

Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies.

Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ?
Boons will have it.

A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place.
As a shopping venue I use Poole high st. Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies. Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ? Boons will have it. A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 1

1:32am Wed 2 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

I just buy off the internet. Why waste all that time and money going to a shopping centre?
I just buy off the internet. Why waste all that time and money going to a shopping centre? Ragwin
  • Score: 7

2:03am Wed 2 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

So the echo headline is wrong,its in the hands of the council.Come on Darren,whats the real story
So the echo headline is wrong,its in the hands of the council.Come on Darren,whats the real story pete woodley
  • Score: -4

5:29am Wed 2 Jul 14

bourne free says...

knock it all down please ?
knock it all down please ? bourne free
  • Score: 3

6:00am Wed 2 Jul 14

Understated says...

wow daily echo look at that!! your newspaper used to cost 35p!
wow daily echo look at that!! your newspaper used to cost 35p! Understated
  • Score: 2

7:45am Wed 2 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
What a shame, you aren't able to turn this story into a rant against the council for a change.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]What a shame, you aren't able to turn this story into a rant against the council for a change. tbpoole
  • Score: 1

8:00am Wed 2 Jul 14

Gastines3 says...

I believe the long delay in the rebuild is mostly due to the finances involved from 3 insurance companies.Amazing how so many Contractors then sub-contract,obvious
ly haven't the skill or staff to do the job in the first place.A very poorly designed Shopping Centre that the main criteria was no doubt'Cost'.
I believe if our dearly beloved Health and Safety Dept. had put their foot down a bit harder then the Builders and Insurers would have dealt with it years ago.I wonder how the costs have risen while they have ben allowed to play pass the buck.
On a shopping basis, the obvious draw is Free Parking,Bournemouth Council might do well to understand why most locals avoid our Town Centre shops.
I believe the long delay in the rebuild is mostly due to the finances involved from 3 insurance companies.Amazing how so many Contractors then sub-contract,obvious ly haven't the skill or staff to do the job in the first place.A very poorly designed Shopping Centre that the main criteria was no doubt'Cost'. I believe if our dearly beloved Health and Safety Dept. had put their foot down a bit harder [probably not advisable at Castlepoint] then the Builders and Insurers would have dealt with it years ago.I wonder how the costs have risen while they have ben allowed to play pass the buck. On a shopping basis, the obvious draw is Free Parking,Bournemouth Council might do well to understand why most locals avoid our Town Centre shops. Gastines3
  • Score: 6

8:21am Wed 2 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Go to West Quay, plenty of parking, easy to get in and out unlike the shambles of CastleDump.
Go to West Quay, plenty of parking, easy to get in and out unlike the shambles of CastleDump. miltonarcher
  • Score: 10

8:26am Wed 2 Jul 14

Dave2207 says...

The car-park and approach roads are too prominent and provide visitors with the impression that Castlepoint is mainly a car park that, incidentally, has shops nearby. The shops should all be at the front and the car-park at the back.
The car-park and approach roads are too prominent and provide visitors with the impression that Castlepoint is mainly a car park that, incidentally, has shops nearby. The shops should all be at the front and the car-park at the back. Dave2207
  • Score: 3

9:01am Wed 2 Jul 14

Franks Tank says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
As a shopping venue I use Poole high st.

Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies.

Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ?
Boons will have it.

A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place.
In years gone by, if you wanted to see a fat tattooed lady you had to pay and go to the circus....
Now, you can get it all for free in Poole High Street.
I've never seen so many in one place.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: As a shopping venue I use Poole high st. Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies. Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ? Boons will have it. A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place.[/p][/quote]In years gone by, if you wanted to see a fat tattooed lady you had to pay and go to the circus.... Now, you can get it all for free in Poole High Street. I've never seen so many in one place. Franks Tank
  • Score: 4

9:30am Wed 2 Jul 14

Deltiologist says...

muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
The Mallard Road bus depot was built on the fields that were farmed by Strouden Farm, which wasn't marsh land.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]The Mallard Road bus depot was built on the fields that were farmed by Strouden Farm, which wasn't marsh land. Deltiologist
  • Score: 0

10:12am Wed 2 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

"The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works."

Will they, thats who they thought they'd paid to do it the first time around? Or will they sub it out again? Easy to see why it fell apart, Kier were paid XXX millions to build it, they no doubt took a slice out of that and subbed it to CV Buchan Ltd for XX millions, who probably took another slice out if it for themselves and subbed it out to PCE Ltd for X million!!!

No wonder the thing ended up getting build out of paper clips and papier mache!
"The Kier group, original contractors for the car park, will carry out the works." Will they, thats who they thought they'd paid to do it the first time around? Or will they sub it out again? Easy to see why it fell apart, Kier were paid XXX millions to build it, they no doubt took a slice out of that and subbed it to CV Buchan Ltd for XX millions, who probably took another slice out if it for themselves and subbed it out to PCE Ltd for X million!!! No wonder the thing ended up getting build out of paper clips and papier mache! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 0

10:44am Wed 2 Jul 14

hadvar says...

Castlepoint is okay as far as it goes. However, for a town / conurbation this side, it doens't cut it. When you look at, west quay, gunwharf quays, cabot place, the place in basingstoke I cant remember the name of, cribbs causeway, bluewater, any westfield and many many more, it's just not quite there. Second rate, and it's more challenging to get in and out of than it should be. Why cant Bournemouth support a proper, big centre?
Castlepoint is okay as far as it goes. However, for a town / conurbation this side, it doens't cut it. When you look at, west quay, gunwharf quays, cabot place, the place in basingstoke I cant remember the name of, cribbs causeway, bluewater, any westfield and many many more, it's just not quite there. Second rate, and it's more challenging to get in and out of than it should be. Why cant Bournemouth support a proper, big centre? hadvar
  • Score: 6

10:50am Wed 2 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

When they've finished it perhaps they'd like to pop along to the rooftop car parks at the dolphin shopping centre at Poole and fix those too?
When they've finished it perhaps they'd like to pop along to the rooftop car parks at the dolphin shopping centre at Poole and fix those too? BarrHumbug
  • Score: -1

11:07am Wed 2 Jul 14

pauls55 says...

"Shops bordering the walkway will be closed for up to a week while work is completed, with no more than two businesses expected to be affected at any one time." A week, really? Another botched up job that will no doubt fall apart in another year or so. Castlepoint is an embarrassment when compared with centres in most other towns with its leaks, tarpaulin and pot holes. Pull the whole thing down and start again but get professionals to build it properly this time.
"Shops bordering the walkway will be closed for up to a week while work is completed, with no more than two businesses expected to be affected at any one time." A week, really? Another botched up job that will no doubt fall apart in another year or so. Castlepoint is an embarrassment when compared with centres in most other towns with its leaks, tarpaulin and pot holes. Pull the whole thing down and start again but get professionals to build it properly this time. pauls55
  • Score: 1

11:27am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

Deltiologist wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
The Mallard Road bus depot was built on the fields that were farmed by Strouden Farm, which wasn't marsh land.
Wasn't that The council stud farm for their cart horses.

Summerbee must have been built on the marsh land, anyhow all council owned buildings at the time and still standing.

The old council knew nothing did they, not like todays wiz kids
[quote][p][bold]Deltiologist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]The Mallard Road bus depot was built on the fields that were farmed by Strouden Farm, which wasn't marsh land.[/p][/quote]Wasn't that The council stud farm for their cart horses. Summerbee must have been built on the marsh land, anyhow all council owned buildings at the time and still standing. The old council knew nothing did they, not like todays wiz kids Lord Spring
  • Score: 2

11:30am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
As a shopping venue I use Poole high st.

Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies.

Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ?
Boons will have it.

A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place.
In years gone by, if you wanted to see a fat tattooed lady you had to pay and go to the circus....
Now, you can get it all for free in Poole High Street.
I've never seen so many in one place.
That's the benefit of benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: As a shopping venue I use Poole high st. Everything I need is there, they've even got an olde worlde hardware shop called Boons. Just like '4 candles by the Two Ronnies. Want a fly swat ? A mouse trap ? Moth balls ? Fly paper ? Boons will have it. A poundland, a 99p store, an Argos, every bank you could reasonably wish for. Everything is there. You just need to watch out for the geriatrics on their motorized scooters. I've never seen so many in one place.[/p][/quote]In years gone by, if you wanted to see a fat tattooed lady you had to pay and go to the circus.... Now, you can get it all for free in Poole High Street. I've never seen so many in one place.[/p][/quote]That's the benefit of benefits. Lord Spring
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Frank28 says...

Kier? They built the new Southampton Police Station. Leaks and blockages in pipes required enormous expenditure and substantial repairs.
Kier? They built the new Southampton Police Station. Leaks and blockages in pipes required enormous expenditure and substantial repairs. Frank28
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Wed 2 Jul 14

justme20092009 says...

who bloody cares
who bloody cares justme20092009
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Wed 2 Jul 14

samjo05 says...

Council will reject proposals and one day it'll collapse and there will be a film about it
Council will reject proposals and one day it'll collapse and there will be a film about it samjo05
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Whatapain says...

It is not surprising that the place is sinking as it was built on top of a pond and even when the Hampshire Centre was there the car par used t flood with heavy rain, not enough investigation done before initial commencement of building work
It is not surprising that the place is sinking as it was built on top of a pond and even when the Hampshire Centre was there the car par used t flood with heavy rain, not enough investigation done before initial commencement of building work Whatapain
  • Score: 5

6:33pm Wed 2 Jul 14

samjo05 says...

The 2nd major issue with Castlepoint car park is the idiots who drive in it! The laws of the road remain the same!
The 2nd major issue with Castlepoint car park is the idiots who drive in it! The laws of the road remain the same! samjo05
  • Score: 3

7:53am Thu 3 Jul 14

starwars1978 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years!
I think Drewitts built it, a local firm
I found this interesting;

http://www.southernc
oncrete.co.uk/Case_s
tudies/SCS_Case_Stud
y_Mallard_Rd_Homebas
e.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Is it not ironic that just across the road from this failing Car Park structure and built upon the same former marsh land is a building which is architecturally listed because in it's day it boasted the largest unsupported span of concrete roofing in the world - and it's been happily standing there for over sixty-two years![/p][/quote]I think Drewitts built it, a local firm[/p][/quote]I found this interesting; http://www.southernc oncrete.co.uk/Case_s tudies/SCS_Case_Stud y_Mallard_Rd_Homebas e.pdf starwars1978
  • Score: 0

8:01am Thu 3 Jul 14

starwars1978 says...

samjo05 wrote:
The 2nd major issue with Castlepoint car park is the idiots who drive in it! The laws of the road remain the same!
Oh yes! I've been beeped for sticking to the 5mph speed limit. But if I didn't drive carefully up there, I would have been hit by someone who did something daft, once. At least they had the decency to apologise!
[quote][p][bold]samjo05[/bold] wrote: The 2nd major issue with Castlepoint car park is the idiots who drive in it! The laws of the road remain the same![/p][/quote]Oh yes! I've been beeped for sticking to the 5mph speed limit. But if I didn't drive carefully up there, I would have been hit by someone who did something daft, once. At least they had the decency to apologise! starwars1978
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

elfinia says...

When it was first being built I went to the the town hall and asked to look at the plans. No one had the foggiest idea where they were....and I got the impression that they had never seen them and were covering up.

Two weeks later an amateurish "information" centre sprung up at the site where nobody could really tell you anything.

I watched Castlepoint being built and thought it was a complete and utter disorganized shambles. It was never properly thought through.
When it was first being built I went to the the town hall and asked to look at the plans. No one had the foggiest idea where they were....and I got the impression that they had never seen them and were covering up. Two weeks later an amateurish "information" centre sprung up at the site where nobody could really tell you anything. I watched Castlepoint being built and thought it was a complete and utter disorganized shambles. It was never properly thought through. elfinia
  • Score: 0

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