£50m Pavilion Gardens nine-screen cinema scheme is approved - despite Odeon pulling out

Bournemouth Echo: £50m Pavilion Gardens cinema scheme gets approval - despite Odeon pulling out £50m Pavilion Gardens cinema scheme gets approval - despite Odeon pulling out

THE £50million cinema complex planned for Pavilion Gardens has been approved despite cinema giant Odeon pulling out of the scheme.

Dubbed the “Hanging Gardens of Babylon” by the deputy mayor, the nine-screen cinema scheme received a landslide majority of 10 votes to one at the planning board meeting.

Developer Trevor Osborne has emphasised the environmental credentials of the low carbon scheme which includes new public gardens, a roof top terrace and a 357-space car park.

He told the Echo: “The cinema will be environmentally friendly and low carbon and it will replace two highly inefficient and outdated cinemas on Westover Road.”

Odeon appears to have pulled out of the Pavilion Gardens development planned for the Bath Road North car park and signed a pre-let agreement with the rival West Central scheme, planned for the NCP car park in Exeter Road.

This defection is a big blow to Pavilion Gardens, formerly known as Nautilus and comes at a crucial time when Bournemouth council is attempting to scupper the West Central project so it can build a temporary bus hub on the site.

The West Central and Pavilion Gardens schemes are broadly similar as they are both comprised of a multiplex cinema and selection of restaurants and shops.

Speaking about the Pavilion Gardens scheme, deputy mayor Cllr Phil Stanley-Watts said: “I think the development really fits with the Bournemouth brand. I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

In October 2013 the planning board rejected the application saying the design was unacceptable and that the development went against the local plan core strategy.

David Kelsey, Chair of the planning board, said: “The Pavilion Gardens scheme is potentially a very important building. The revised application has taken account of concerns raised by the planning board at the meeting on October 21.”

 

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7:43am Sat 21 Dec 13

Baywolf says...

So who is going to replace the Odeon cinemas then? The auditoriums will be small, having two such centres in the same town just dosnt make any sense other than an odd and a handshake . What is it with this councils lack of imagination in the tourism industry? Do they really believe the town can exist on food and cinemas as a family draw? Like I say sell Matchams to Merlin Group and have something like Thorpe Park or at least an Ice Rink and Swimming Pool .and a Bowling Alley perhaps ..and while your at it do something with the awful bus jam in the centre before someone gets killed.
So who is going to replace the Odeon cinemas then? The auditoriums will be small, having two such centres in the same town just dosnt make any sense other than an odd and a handshake . What is it with this councils lack of imagination in the tourism industry? Do they really believe the town can exist on food and cinemas as a family draw? Like I say sell Matchams to Merlin Group and have something like Thorpe Park or at least an Ice Rink and Swimming Pool .and a Bowling Alley perhaps ..and while your at it do something with the awful bus jam in the centre before someone gets killed. Baywolf

7:49am Sat 21 Dec 13

N Smith says...

Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination .
Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination . N Smith

8:00am Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew. Lord Spring

8:11am Sat 21 Dec 13

High Treason says...

Sad day for the council tax payers of Bournemouth as this will cost us dearly.
This town is becoming a dump, grotty, overpriced and no vision. £50 million + on a building that will not bring in the visitors and will struggle to be viable.
The council goes from one grandiose scheme after another, spending money like kids let loose by over indulgent parents. It would appear the whole public sector around here is run by people with no morals, dignity or backbone, from the council to Bournemouth hospital.
Sad day for the council tax payers of Bournemouth as this will cost us dearly. This town is becoming a dump, grotty, overpriced and no vision. £50 million + on a building that will not bring in the visitors and will struggle to be viable. The council goes from one grandiose scheme after another, spending money like kids let loose by over indulgent parents. It would appear the whole public sector around here is run by people with no morals, dignity or backbone, from the council to Bournemouth hospital. High Treason

8:12am Sat 21 Dec 13

4FCB says...

So soon after having eventually gotten rid of the IMAX, they're now going to build another concrete monstrosity just over the road; will they never learn?
So soon after having eventually gotten rid of the IMAX, they're now going to build another concrete monstrosity just over the road; will they never learn? 4FCB

8:19am Sat 21 Dec 13

a.g.o.g. says...

From the road it will look more like a pile of what a very large White Elephant may have left behind..............
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From the road it will look more like a pile of what a very large White Elephant may have left behind.............. .......... a.g.o.g.

8:22am Sat 21 Dec 13

4FCB says...

Just found some additional drawing proposals on this web page for those interested: http://www.czwg.com/
works/bournemouth-pa
vilion
Just found some additional drawing proposals on this web page for those interested: http://www.czwg.com/ works/bournemouth-pa vilion 4FCB

8:36am Sat 21 Dec 13

bbird says...

Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Looks more like an astro turfed concrete bunker. A hideous building.

This should be the cultural hub to befit a town with an Arts university. An amazing modern art gallery, inspired by Bilbao's. Now that would bring in the sort of tourism we need, not to mention serve the 500,000 or so residents in the vicinity.

And then perhaps some interesting independent shops, cafes, restaurants will be attracted to the area.

Like many others I have no interest in the pop culture, booze and tat...not to mention the fast food clone eateries... And especially not the ghastly market in the Square. So it's Salisbury, Winchester or Southampton's Westfield for me, that's one lost local spender!
Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Looks more like an astro turfed concrete bunker. A hideous building. This should be the cultural hub to befit a town with an Arts university. An amazing modern art gallery, inspired by Bilbao's. Now that would bring in the sort of tourism we need, not to mention serve the 500,000 or so residents in the vicinity. And then perhaps some interesting independent shops, cafes, restaurants will be attracted to the area. Like many others I have no interest in the pop culture, booze and tat...not to mention the fast food clone eateries... And especially not the ghastly market in the Square. So it's Salisbury, Winchester or Southampton's Westfield for me, that's one lost local spender! bbird

9:32am Sat 21 Dec 13

Townee says...

This is just sour grapes from our elected council, they lost out on the old bus station site. So like all spoilt children they throw their toys out of the pram, stamp their feet and scream until they get something they want.

One good thing about this development we will able to get a good view of the new wind farm, now that will bring the visitors in.
This is just sour grapes from our elected council, they lost out on the old bus station site. So like all spoilt children they throw their toys out of the pram, stamp their feet and scream until they get something they want. One good thing about this development we will able to get a good view of the new wind farm, now that will bring the visitors in. Townee

9:33am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

N Smith wrote:
Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination .
Yep fits with many of the commenters on this site :(
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination .[/p][/quote]Yep fits with many of the commenters on this site :( retry69

9:35am Sat 21 Dec 13

MissAnne says...

What a pointless building. We already have too many food places, we have cinemas. We only need to travel a short distance to go bowling.
Not to mention the fact that this will spoil what is a not too big, already too busy town centre. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is meant to be somewhere nice and fairly quiet. What with our Victorian gardens, quaint walks etc
Now Bournemouth will be more of a loud, crass place for loud crass people to spend outrageous amounts of money getting drunk, stuffing their faces and just generally being clones, in a clone town that is becoming more and more over populated and ugly.
What a pointless building. We already have too many food places, we have cinemas. We only need to travel a short distance to go bowling. Not to mention the fact that this will spoil what is a not too big, already too busy town centre. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, is meant to be somewhere nice and fairly quiet. What with our Victorian gardens, quaint walks etc Now Bournemouth will be more of a loud, crass place for loud crass people to spend outrageous amounts of money getting drunk, stuffing their faces and just generally being clones, in a clone town that is becoming more and more over populated and ugly. MissAnne

9:40am Sat 21 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'!
I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'! jobsworthwatch

10:00am Sat 21 Dec 13

twynham says...

4FCB wrote:
Just found some additional drawing proposals on this web page for those interested: http://www.czwg.com/

works/bournemouth-pa

vilion
One would have thought they would have Photoshopped the Odeon name but the image does give an idea of the size of this carbuncle!
[quote][p][bold]4FCB[/bold] wrote: Just found some additional drawing proposals on this web page for those interested: http://www.czwg.com/ works/bournemouth-pa vilion[/p][/quote]One would have thought they would have Photoshopped the Odeon name but the image does give an idea of the size of this carbuncle! twynham

10:01am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :) retry69

10:01am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ? retry69

10:17am Sat 21 Dec 13

UrbanCrab says...

Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.
Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital. UrbanCrab

10:36am Sat 21 Dec 13

BIGTONE says...

The minging gardens more like.

How do you call a scar of a Green turd a development?
The minging gardens more like. How do you call a scar of a Green turd a development? BIGTONE

11:09am Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

UrbanCrab wrote:
Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.
it will have to be on Sec 17. if you do
[quote][p][bold]UrbanCrab[/bold] wrote: Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.[/p][/quote]it will have to be on Sec 17. if you do Lord Spring

11:12am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
UrbanCrab wrote:
Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.
it will have to be on Sec 17. if you do
Don't start, that got me into trouble last time disclosing my Section 17 LOL
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UrbanCrab[/bold] wrote: Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.[/p][/quote]it will have to be on Sec 17. if you do[/p][/quote]Don't start, that got me into trouble last time disclosing my Section 17 LOL retry69

11:12am Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock. Lord Spring

11:20am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
Hold on,apologies for deviation AGAIN but am I over reacting or is "rambling with a shamrock" a cryptic clue to someones id ? come on you can tell me :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]Hold on,apologies for deviation AGAIN but am I over reacting or is "rambling with a shamrock" a cryptic clue to someones id ? come on you can tell me :) retry69

11:28am Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

Retry
The past was Orange
Retry The past was Orange Lord Spring

11:30am Sat 21 Dec 13

SoLongScarecrow says...

I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place.

An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc.

I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town.
I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place. An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc. I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town. SoLongScarecrow

11:36am Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Retry
The past was Orange
I apologise in advance to others but just ignore my posts (as normal) Lord Spring it appears you have me at a disadvantage here as if I am reading your comments right we might have something in common from way back,this will now do my head in over xmas, you ******* :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Retry The past was Orange[/p][/quote]I apologise in advance to others but just ignore my posts (as normal) Lord Spring it appears you have me at a disadvantage here as if I am reading your comments right we might have something in common from way back,this will now do my head in over xmas, you ******* :) retry69

11:43am Sat 21 Dec 13

BmthNewshound says...

Another white elephant and mill stone around the taxpayers neck. Osborne has completely stitched the Council with the extortionate charges for leasing the car park. By comparing this monstrosity to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon Stanley-Watts has highlighted his compete ignorance and stupidity. I am very disappointed in David Kelsey no doubt he was pressured by the council leader to approve the scheme.
.
The sooner Licet start work on the West Central scheme the better as without a cinema operator signed up the Pavilion Gardens scheme will be dead in the water.
Another white elephant and mill stone around the taxpayers neck. Osborne has completely stitched the Council with the extortionate charges for leasing the car park. By comparing this monstrosity to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon Stanley-Watts has highlighted his compete ignorance and stupidity. I am very disappointed in David Kelsey no doubt he was pressured by the council leader to approve the scheme. . The sooner Licet start work on the West Central scheme the better as without a cinema operator signed up the Pavilion Gardens scheme will be dead in the water. BmthNewshound

12:04pm Sat 21 Dec 13

paul.p says...

Fantastic design.....all airy fairy cakey wakey...... in other words cr@p....

and people actually get paid for this tripe...
Fantastic design.....all airy fairy cakey wakey...... in other words cr@p.... and people actually get paid for this tripe... paul.p

12:44pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Redgolfer says...

retry69 wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination .
Yep fits with many of the commenters on this site :(
INCLUDING YOURSELF ??????????
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Yep fits with the Bmth brand old and boring no imagination .[/p][/quote]Yep fits with many of the commenters on this site :([/p][/quote]INCLUDING YOURSELF ?????????? Redgolfer

1:04pm Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
A second ones turned up :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]A second ones turned up :) retry69

1:05pm Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
A second ones turned up :)
Stalker that is :)
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]A second ones turned up :)[/p][/quote]Stalker that is :) retry69

1:37pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Baysider says...

Boo! Down with change!
Boo! Down with change! Baysider

1:49pm Sat 21 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

UrbanCrab wrote:
Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.
Aside from the rather ugly buildings the 'dodgy' part of this scheme that should be worrying absolutely everyone locally is that present and future Council tax payers will apparently be committed to rent back car parking space from a private developer which at the moment they own(!), for the next 75-years.

Aside from the probability that most local Council's may well be forced by market forces to provide free car parking in their town centres before very much longer who knows if in 75 years time there will even be cars our kids and their kids will need to park.

What a shame we cannot recapture the aspirations of those people who developed Bournemouth so beautifully in the first half of the last Century, a very different approach in which the 'excellence' of the project appears to have taken priority above the current day ambition for a cheap fast buck.
[quote][p][bold]UrbanCrab[/bold] wrote: Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.[/p][/quote]Aside from the rather ugly buildings the 'dodgy' part of this scheme that should be worrying absolutely everyone locally is that present and future Council tax payers will apparently be committed to rent back car parking space from a private developer which at the moment they own(!), for the next 75-years. Aside from the probability that most local Council's may well be forced by market forces to provide free car parking in their town centres before very much longer who knows if in 75 years time there will even be cars our kids and their kids will need to park. What a shame we cannot recapture the aspirations of those people who developed Bournemouth so beautifully in the first half of the last Century, a very different approach in which the 'excellence' of the project appears to have taken priority above the current day ambition for a cheap fast buck. muscliffman

2:02pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
A second ones turned up :)
Stalker that is :)
No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]A second ones turned up :)[/p][/quote]Stalker that is :)[/p][/quote]No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team. Lord Spring

2:14pm Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
A second ones turned up :)
Stalker that is :)
No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team.
They are both on here now, so time to go,are shamrock,rambling and orange significant or am I getting caught up in the conspiracy theories syndrome :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]A second ones turned up :)[/p][/quote]Stalker that is :)[/p][/quote]No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team.[/p][/quote]They are both on here now, so time to go,are shamrock,rambling and orange significant or am I getting caught up in the conspiracy theories syndrome :) retry69

2:41pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'!
Charles has his own carbuncle now , just outside Dorchester
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'![/p][/quote]Charles has his own carbuncle now , just outside Dorchester Telscombe Cliffy

2:46pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

I must stop, this is running into an omnibus
I must stop, this is running into an omnibus Lord Spring

2:46pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

I reckon Choccywokkydoodah had I finger in the design of this, the Green Hanging Ladygardens of Bomo.
I reckon Choccywokkydoodah had I finger in the design of this, the Green Hanging Ladygardens of Bomo. Telscombe Cliffy

3:09pm Sat 21 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
I must stop, this is running into an omnibus
OK. management,driver,sh
unter or cleaner ?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I must stop, this is running into an omnibus[/p][/quote]OK. management,driver,sh unter or cleaner ? retry69

3:11pm Sat 21 Dec 13

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'!
If the top bit was painted yellow with a black blob on it and some red paint splashed around it really would look the part!
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: I think this is what the Prince of Wales would call 'A monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old friend'![/p][/quote]If the top bit was painted yellow with a black blob on it and some red paint splashed around it really would look the part! The-Bleeding-Obvious

3:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Hobie18007 says...

and where did this come from? No mention of it on Councils regeneration programme.......http
://www.czwg.com/work
s/richmond-gardens
and where did this come from? No mention of it on Councils regeneration programme.......http ://www.czwg.com/work s/richmond-gardens Hobie18007

4:37pm Sat 21 Dec 13

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Hobie18007 wrote:
and where did this come from? No mention of it on Councils regeneration programme.......http

://www.czwg.com/work

s/richmond-gardens
It's on the degeneration programme which is running out of control and grossly over budget!
[quote][p][bold]Hobie18007[/bold] wrote: and where did this come from? No mention of it on Councils regeneration programme.......http ://www.czwg.com/work s/richmond-gardens[/p][/quote]It's on the degeneration programme which is running out of control and grossly over budget! The-Bleeding-Obvious

4:42pm Sat 21 Dec 13

TWERLY says...

Why not start the proposed zip wire ride from the top of this new building for it to finish at the end of the pier !! I bet Bournemouth planners never thought of that for a daft idea unlike what this proposal is !!!! Errr hello anyone who wants to see a film these days will watch them on their smart TV's or tablets etc The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!!
Why not start the proposed zip wire ride from the top of this new building for it to finish at the end of the pier !! I bet Bournemouth planners never thought of that for a daft idea unlike what this proposal is !!!! Errr hello anyone who wants to see a film these days will watch them on their smart TV's or tablets etc The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!! TWERLY

5:00pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Gastines3 says...

One question someone may be able to answer.Who has paid for the various designs T.O. has put in over the years,many years? One point on the outside seating,I notice the Architect is relying on sunshine to be able to make use of a large percentage of space!Still,I suppose by the time it gets built,global warming may have caught up with Bournemouth!!
One question someone may be able to answer.Who has paid for the various designs T.O. has put in over the years,many years? One point on the outside seating,I notice the Architect is relying on sunshine to be able to make use of a large percentage of space!Still,I suppose by the time it gets built,global warming may have caught up with Bournemouth!! Gastines3

5:01pm Sat 21 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

TWERLY wrote:
Why not start the proposed zip wire ride from the top of this new building for it to finish at the end of the pier !! I bet Bournemouth planners never thought of that for a daft idea unlike what this proposal is !!!! Errr hello anyone who wants to see a film these days will watch them on their smart TV's or tablets etc The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!!
You rightly suggest "The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!!" But did we not all believe that time was coming for much of the past thirty years - and yet somehow against all the modern odds thrown at them cinemas are still with us. Maybe the sense of theatrical occasion visiting one is stronger than the new technology which means we don't actually have to.
[quote][p][bold]TWERLY[/bold] wrote: Why not start the proposed zip wire ride from the top of this new building for it to finish at the end of the pier !! I bet Bournemouth planners never thought of that for a daft idea unlike what this proposal is !!!! Errr hello anyone who wants to see a film these days will watch them on their smart TV's or tablets etc The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!![/p][/quote]You rightly suggest "The end of the cinema as we know it nigh !!!" But did we not all believe that time was coming for much of the past thirty years - and yet somehow against all the modern odds thrown at them cinemas are still with us. Maybe the sense of theatrical occasion visiting one is stronger than the new technology which means we don't actually have to. muscliffman

5:47pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Redgolfer says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.”

But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard .

I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.
Class mlud :)
BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?
He is probably rambling with a shamrock.
A second ones turned up :)
Stalker that is :)
No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team.
Now I am getting curious but maybe before my time???
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: I’ve likened it to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and I think it will boost tourism opportunities and private enterprise.” But we only have capital punishment for setting fire to a naval dockyard . I can be just as daft as this elected by abstention crew.[/p][/quote]Class mlud :)[/p][/quote]BTW haven't seen my stalker about have you ?[/p][/quote]He is probably rambling with a shamrock.[/p][/quote]A second ones turned up :)[/p][/quote]Stalker that is :)[/p][/quote]No problem, could not stalk just a hard tackling halfback went in Bang, played in the same team.[/p][/quote]Now I am getting curious but maybe before my time??? Redgolfer

6:56pm Sat 21 Dec 13

West Howe Sean says...

I seem to remember reading a document which stated that when the land around the Pavilion was given to the town there was a proviso that it was to be available for the enjoyment of everyone.

I thought the car park was in contravention of this. The proposed development certainly is. Or has the Meyrick estate under pressure from the council changed the rules.

This is perhaps one for the Echo's investigative journalists to look into.
I seem to remember reading a document which stated that when the land around the Pavilion was given to the town there was a proviso that it was to be available for the enjoyment of everyone. I thought the car park was in contravention of this. The proposed development certainly is. Or has the Meyrick estate under pressure from the council changed the rules. This is perhaps one for the Echo's investigative journalists to look into. West Howe Sean

7:57pm Sat 21 Dec 13

ShuttleX says...

UrbanCrab wrote:
Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.
Don't worry about Mouchel. Within a year, all their work will be brought back "in house" Talks are already going on behind closed doors on how this will be happening. Around 45 percent of their work is already being done by Council workmen, as Mouchel can not complete their work load on time. So in effect, the Council are paying them to do the work, then Mouchel are paying the Council to use their workmen. The ones who are losing out of course, are the council tax payers of Bournemouth. Oh yes, and the employees who are going to be made redundant next year. the numbers are also going to be higher then forecast, but keep that bit quite as Mr Beesley doesn't want it broadcast yet.
[quote][p][bold]UrbanCrab[/bold] wrote: Its reassuring to think that Herr Beesley and Tony "no taste" Williams have committed our children and children's children to subsidising this scheme from this bankrupt by dint of the sale of the bath rd carpark and subsequent leaseback for 75 years. Mr Beesley will surely add it to his list of many sterling successes for the town which include the successful handover of services to Mouchel, the impressive and unique Surf Reef and the popular demolition of the Bcca Childrens theatre. I for one will most definitely be giving my vote of confidence to Dear Johnnie B in 2015, as long as my psychiatrist says I'm fit to leave St Anne's Hospital.[/p][/quote]Don't worry about Mouchel. Within a year, all their work will be brought back "in house" Talks are already going on behind closed doors on how this will be happening. Around 45 percent of their work is already being done by Council workmen, as Mouchel can not complete their work load on time. So in effect, the Council are paying them to do the work, then Mouchel are paying the Council to use their workmen. The ones who are losing out of course, are the council tax payers of Bournemouth. Oh yes, and the employees who are going to be made redundant next year. the numbers are also going to be higher then forecast, but keep that bit quite as Mr Beesley doesn't want it broadcast yet. ShuttleX

1:04pm Sun 22 Dec 13

reeve007 says...

With a new build such as it there will be an increase in shoppers and theater goers ,
They will all go to POOLE
With a new build such as it there will be an increase in shoppers and theater goers , They will all go to POOLE reeve007

5:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Wageslave says...

SoLongScarecrow wrote:
I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place.

An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc.

I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town.
Yes this site is right between where our swimming pool and ice-rink used to be.
[quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place. An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc. I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town.[/p][/quote]Yes this site is right between where our swimming pool and ice-rink used to be. Wageslave

6:21pm Sun 22 Dec 13

TheDistrict says...

Beesleys Bournemouth. Being the tourist industry in the town, owning a hotel or hotels, he has to be making something out of this. Why can't we vote for Council Leaders, I am sure the last three would have not been voted in. It is high time Bournemouth was given some say in what goes on in THEIR TOWN.
Beesleys Bournemouth. Being the tourist industry in the town, owning a hotel or hotels, he has to be making something out of this. Why can't we vote for Council Leaders, I am sure the last three would have not been voted in. It is high time Bournemouth was given some say in what goes on in THEIR TOWN. TheDistrict

10:27pm Sun 22 Dec 13

sprintervanman says...

Would just like to see our beautiful beaches and that view over to the Isle of Purbeck, the gateway to some of the most stunning landscape on the South Coast.Nature has provided that to us so no expense required.I would think that most of our visitors have come for just that.I know I will never tire from it.
Would just like to see our beautiful beaches and that view over to the Isle of Purbeck, the gateway to some of the most stunning landscape on the South Coast.Nature has provided that to us so no expense required.I would think that most of our visitors have come for just that.I know I will never tire from it. sprintervanman

9:24am Mon 23 Dec 13

Phixer says...

West Howe Sean wrote:
I seem to remember reading a document which stated that when the land around the Pavilion was given to the town there was a proviso that it was to be available for the enjoyment of everyone.

I thought the car park was in contravention of this. The proposed development certainly is. Or has the Meyrick estate under pressure from the council changed the rules.

This is perhaps one for the Echo's investigative journalists to look into.
Does the Echo have any investigative journalists? Not been any evidence of them in living memory.
[quote][p][bold]West Howe Sean[/bold] wrote: I seem to remember reading a document which stated that when the land around the Pavilion was given to the town there was a proviso that it was to be available for the enjoyment of everyone. I thought the car park was in contravention of this. The proposed development certainly is. Or has the Meyrick estate under pressure from the council changed the rules. This is perhaps one for the Echo's investigative journalists to look into.[/p][/quote]Does the Echo have any investigative journalists? Not been any evidence of them in living memory. Phixer

9:27am Mon 23 Dec 13

Phixer says...

SoLongScarecrow wrote:
I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place.

An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc.

I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town.
The problem with good ideas is that someone has to finance their planning and expect to make a profit from them.

If an idea does line the pockets of our illustrious public servant leader then it will be stamped on.
[quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: I would love this space to be something that benefits locals and tourists to potentially dilute all the bars and clubs and make the town centre a 'family friendly' place. An art gallery is a good idea, especially if it had an area for locals to show their work and perhaps a section for both primary and secondary students to display projects on various themes. Other ideas could be the standard bowling, ice/roller rink or swimming pools. Perhaps a hands-on science and technology museum or a nice indoor market - arts and crafts, local produce etc. I realise I'm throwing ideas out into the ether but I'm all for something that embraces the community and is different to what's already available in town.[/p][/quote]The problem with good ideas is that someone has to finance their planning and expect to make a profit from them. If an idea does line the pockets of our illustrious public servant leader then it will be stamped on. Phixer

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