Travellers used ramps to breach site security and ignored new £40k measures completely

Why didn’t Poole’s £40k traveller security measures work?

Traveller site at Creekmoor park and ride

Boulders near Turks Lane at Whitecliff Recreation Ground to prevent travellers accessing the site. Inset, Peter Haikin

Canford Heath residents plant seeds on a Verity Crescent soilbank

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Travellers camped at Creekmoor’s park and ride site will probably be allowed to stay there until the start of the Dorset Steam Fair, local residents and ward councillors believe.

Nineteen caravans and associated vehicles remain on-site, where Borough of Poole has provided skips and toilets.

Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers.

While the council does not specifically say the Creekmoor encampment will remain until the end of the month - when the Dorset Steam Fair gets underway at Tarrant Hinton - it did post the following on its official website yesterday: “Previous evictions have not however prompted the travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the borough.

“It is likely they are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair. Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site.”

Creekmoor ward councillor John Rampton told the Daily Echo residents had interpreted this as Borough of Poole allowing the unauthorised encampment to remain for the next fortnight.

He said: “From the residents’ point of view it does seem as though Poole council is intent on using the park and ride as a traveller site, which is a very insensitive thing to have done because Creekmoor residents have had to go through hell already this year with the temporary stopping place debacle.

“I can only suspect that the borough is happy to allow the travellers to remain until the start of the steam fair.”

Fellow Creekmoor councillor Judy Butt, who has called for Secretary of State Eric Pickles to “pull his finger out and sort out the traveller issue once and for all” concurs with Cllr Rampton. She said: “Residents clearly believe the council has agreed to leave the travellers there until the steam fair.”

Meanwhile Cllr Les Burden, who also represents the Creekmoor ward, agreed. He added: “As a retired international referee I think someone needs to be shown the red card over this.”

Consider the community

Poole's environmental and consumer protection head Shaun Robson explained: “In every case such as this we have to consider the impact that the encampment is having on the local community.

“This is a closed site, so the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking or recreational space.

“Should an application for eviction be made now, it is likely to result in further incursions onto open spaces in Poole, as the group has made it clear that they intend to stay in the area.

“However, should the current situation change and evidence of significant detriment to the local community be forthcoming then this would be immediately reviewed and acted upon.”

n FOUR of the caravans and a motor home that had been parked-up at Sterte Esplanade, Poole, pictured below, left the site yesterday.

One caravan remained at the site as the Daily Echo went to press. A skip and a toilet, supplied by Borough of Poole, remain.

Despite spending £40,000 protecting six of the most vulnerable open spaces in Poole, the borough has admitted it cannot ensure they are traveller-proof, Diana Henderson writes.

Ramps were used by travellers to drive over existing defences and get onto Baiter, which was one of the sites whose security was beefed up in the spring. A group also tried to get into Verity Park at Canford Heath earlier in the year but were deterred by the new embankments and left the borough.

So far Broadstone, Brank-some rec, Whitecliff and Haskells rec have not been visited this summer. However, there have been three camps at Baiter since May.

Peter Haikin, the council’s regulatory services manager, said: “None of the new measures have been breached but a group of travellers did access Baiter by using ramps to combat existing defences.

“We have since taken remedial action to strengthen the defences and placed several large boulders in this area.

“The measures we have taken are to protect sites. However, we cannot guarantee this security will not be breached.”

While earth banks and large stones may deter caravans from being driven on to grassland, they do not prevent them getting access to the car park in Catalina Drive at Baiter.

Mike Randall of Parkstone Bay Association said during the last incursion: “There is nothing to deter them from getting into the car park.”

He said the council could have put height barriers at the site. But the council argues that height barriers on car parks prevent lawful use and to “close the car park for legitimate use is disproportionate to the frequency of unauthorised occupation”.

Gates and entrances to the open spaces were improved to enhance security and soil embankments built at Verity Park, Branksome, Broadstone and Baiter recreation grounds.

Residents and school children have scattered wildflower seeds on earth banks to make them more attractive and shrubs and trees will be planted to make it look more natural.

So far this year there have been 14 unauthorised encampments on council land including unprotected Hamworthy Park, the Creekmoor park and ride site, Beach Road car park, the Dolphin Swimming Pool car park and at Fleetsbridge – and one on privately leased land. Court action has been taken on eight occasions.

In November, councillors will review whether their defences have worked.

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7:53am Thu 14 Aug 14

RM says...

'In November, Cllrs will review whether their defences have worked' - in a word 'NO'.
'In November, Cllrs will review whether their defences have worked' - in a word 'NO'. RM
  • Score: 26

7:55am Thu 14 Aug 14

JustForPoole says...

They just drive into Baiter car park like everyone else .... except they don`t pay ... why oh why do we not enforce the request for payment ... clamp vehicles and caravans until payment is made ... make life uncomfortable for them .... they make it bl**dy uncomfortable for us the Tax Payer!!!!
They just drive into Baiter car park like everyone else .... except they don`t pay ... why oh why do we not enforce the request for payment ... clamp vehicles and caravans until payment is made ... make life uncomfortable for them .... they make it bl**dy uncomfortable for us the Tax Payer!!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 50

8:06am Thu 14 Aug 14

Red Leader 1 says...

Mike Randall of PBA is absolutely justified in calling for height restrictions at Baiter car park after 3 illegal invasions this summer. Any legitimate over height vehicles can use the adjacent car park next to the Harbour's edge -
most of them already do anyway. Alternatively, try width restrictions similar to Whitecliff which appears to have "escaped" completely this year. Homes at Baiter are in closer proximity to these illegal encampments than elsewhere so the PBA proposal is certainly NOT disproportionate. Will those responsible please note......and act.
Mike Randall of PBA is absolutely justified in calling for height restrictions at Baiter car park after 3 illegal invasions this summer. Any legitimate over height vehicles can use the adjacent car park next to the Harbour's edge - most of them already do anyway. Alternatively, try width restrictions similar to Whitecliff which appears to have "escaped" completely this year. Homes at Baiter are in closer proximity to these illegal encampments than elsewhere so the PBA proposal is certainly NOT disproportionate. Will those responsible please note......and act. Red Leader 1
  • Score: 21

8:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

cunone says...

Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned.
As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers
As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started.
Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery
Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned. As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started. Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery cunone
  • Score: 29

8:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

cunone says...

Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned.
As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers
As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started.
Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery
Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned. As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started. Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery cunone
  • Score: 9

8:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

cunone says...

Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned.
As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers
As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started.
Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery
Travellers should have not status here but clearly they are a protected group and local residents can go to hell as far as the council and police are concerned. As the police like an easy target I wonder how long it will be before the trawl through the comments made by tax paying folk and decide to prosecute individuals for what has been said to further protect travellers As far as the £40k spent on prevention that probably equals £4 in the real world as the council seems very content to waste our money just look at the old folks development where the Council have an overspend before the project has started. Overall this council couldn't run a **** up in a brewery cunone
  • Score: 8

8:40am Thu 14 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Gates and entrances to the open spaces were improved to enhance security and soil embankments built at Verity Park, Branksome, Broadstone and Baiter recreation grounds.


They will still smash their way through anything because they will not be prosecuted for trespass. Only the existing laws can stop/deter them if they were used,which they are not.
So,a free for all.
Gates and entrances to the open spaces were improved to enhance security and soil embankments built at Verity Park, Branksome, Broadstone and Baiter recreation grounds. They will still smash their way through anything because they will not be prosecuted for trespass. Only the existing laws can stop/deter them if they were used,which they are not. So,a free for all. BIGTONE
  • Score: 19

8:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

cunone says...

Sorry about the 3 repeated comment that big computer in the sky must like my view!
Sorry about the 3 repeated comment that big computer in the sky must like my view! cunone
  • Score: 7

8:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Law abiding citizens are persecuted every day in this country, parking in the wrong place and receive a ticket, put the wrong waste in your wheelie bin and you can be fined, drive with no tax, insurance or mot and you will be fined, fly tip and you will be fined, work for cash in hand and the tax man takes you to court, non payment of council tax lands you in court.
On the other hand travelers can perpetrate all of the above and face no action or penalty what so ever, perhaps we should all purchase a caravan or motor home and simply become travelers, we could all be millionaires this time next year.
Law abiding citizens are persecuted every day in this country, parking in the wrong place and receive a ticket, put the wrong waste in your wheelie bin and you can be fined, drive with no tax, insurance or mot and you will be fined, fly tip and you will be fined, work for cash in hand and the tax man takes you to court, non payment of council tax lands you in court. On the other hand travelers can perpetrate all of the above and face no action or penalty what so ever, perhaps we should all purchase a caravan or motor home and simply become travelers, we could all be millionaires this time next year. penhalereturns
  • Score: 34

9:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

"However, should the current situation change and evidence of significant detriment to the local community be forthcoming then this would be immediately reviewed and acted upon.”

It was reported yesterday that the Creekmoor residents opposite the park and ride are having interrupted sleep because of the noise of generators going through the night and barking dogs. If that isn't detrimental to them, what is? Presumably Shaun Robson can do his job well when he lacks sleep although, even without uninterrupted sleep, as far as many residents around Poole are concerned, he isn't.
"However, should the current situation change and evidence of significant detriment to the local community be forthcoming then this would be immediately reviewed and acted upon.” It was reported yesterday that the Creekmoor residents opposite the park and ride are having interrupted sleep because of the noise of generators going through the night and barking dogs. If that isn't detrimental to them, what is? Presumably Shaun Robson can do his job well when he lacks sleep although, even without uninterrupted sleep, as far as many residents around Poole are concerned, he isn't. Carolyn43
  • Score: 19

9:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

How much protection do these law breakers get!? They repeatedly ignore laws and receive no penalties... truly beyond comprehension!
How much protection do these law breakers get!? They repeatedly ignore laws and receive no penalties... truly beyond comprehension! folkprotector
  • Score: 20

9:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Shaun Robson has in effect stated, "Come to Creekmoor. we'll provide you with skips, and with toilets. We will make no attempt to move you on". He has created a de facto transit site. In the face of a planning committee decision earlier this year that rejected the two TSP sites. In the face of a P&R status of green belt, and transportation use.
I shall be writing to the council to query this maladministration, and, when I get the usual incompetent response, contacting the local government ombudsman to prompt an investigation.
In the absence of any apparent sense of morals and principle, the law is all that you can fall back on. I urge others to follow a similar route.
Shaun Robson has in effect stated, "Come to Creekmoor. we'll provide you with skips, and with toilets. We will make no attempt to move you on". He has created a de facto transit site. In the face of a planning committee decision earlier this year that rejected the two TSP sites. In the face of a P&R status of green belt, and transportation use. I shall be writing to the council to query this maladministration, and, when I get the usual incompetent response, contacting the local government ombudsman to prompt an investigation. In the absence of any apparent sense of morals and principle, the law is all that you can fall back on. I urge others to follow a similar route. Jo__Go
  • Score: 19

10:07am Thu 14 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

It's pretty simple why the measures didn't work. The police and council completely ignored the fact that in most cases forced entry was used which entitles them to immediately evict the travellers without ****-arsing about wasting taxpayers money on legal proceedings and eviction notices. This crock of you-know-what don't give a toss about their wards because they'll be tucked up in some nice big house somewhere miles away from the people they supposedly represent. The biggest issue is that if there is a backlash against the big three parties at the next election, the vote will almost certainly go to UKIP. Now, some of their ideas may well be in line with the thinking of the common man, but others are rather disturbing. But what to do you if there's no-one sensible to vote for? It's not like you can vote for none of the above and no-one gets in if they don't poll a certain percentage....
It's pretty simple why the measures didn't work. The police and council completely ignored the fact that in most cases forced entry was used which entitles them to immediately evict the travellers without ****-arsing about wasting taxpayers money on legal proceedings and eviction notices. This crock of you-know-what don't give a toss about their wards because they'll be tucked up in some nice big house somewhere miles away from the people they supposedly represent. The biggest issue is that if there is a backlash against the big three parties at the next election, the vote will almost certainly go to UKIP. Now, some of their ideas may well be in line with the thinking of the common man, but others are rather disturbing. But what to do you if there's no-one sensible to vote for? It's not like you can vote for none of the above and no-one gets in if they don't poll a certain percentage.... speedy231278
  • Score: 9

10:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Impressive, whoever set up the dictionary in the censoring script has blocked a slang term for a bottom burp, but left in a form of the crude word for bottom! Makes them look a bit of an arse!
Impressive, whoever set up the dictionary in the censoring script has blocked a slang term for a bottom burp, but left in a form of the crude word for bottom! Makes them look a bit of an arse! speedy231278
  • Score: 4

11:18am Thu 14 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ? Teddy 1
  • Score: 10

12:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
There shouldn't be any emails or records between Eades and council officers regarding the proposed TSPs - he was mayor during that and his remit for that was to be impartial.

The council proposed to keep the TSPs locked and only open them when travellers arrived. Don't they realise travellers have a universal key to get into any site they choose to occupy - it's called bolt croppers.

It's not down to the residents of Creekmoor to decide what happens at the park and ride, but the council who need to check the legal position on what they can and cannot do with it, as the grant from the Department of Transport to build it was for transport purposes only. The council could be acting illegally now by allowing the current occupation - I hope they've checked.

Nothing would surprise me about this council. Since I've lived here there has been:

A failed park and ride, the failure of which was obvious from the outset to anyone with half a brain.

Plans to allow a commercial company to put a giant (and I mean giant) stainless steel pyramid on Baiter, which happily was stopped before it got to planning by weight of objections from the public. Even for that the council wined and dined the commercial company when it should have been the other way round.

Surveillance intended for terrorism was used to check if a family lived in a school catchment area.

A lifting bridge that is pretty but frequently needs repairs.

A disastrous gyratory road system off the new bridge.

Silly short lengths of cycle paths which are added up to meet government requirements.

Local councillors being told they should not represent their residents as they were elected to do, but to toe the party line instead.

A mayor who didn’t remain impartial.


And they're just the things which spring immediately to mind.
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?[/p][/quote]There shouldn't be any emails or records between Eades and council officers regarding the proposed TSPs - he was mayor during that and his remit for that was to be impartial. The council proposed to keep the TSPs locked and only open them when travellers arrived. Don't they realise travellers have a universal key to get into any site they choose to occupy - it's called bolt croppers. It's not down to the residents of Creekmoor to decide what happens at the park and ride, but the council who need to check the legal position on what they can and cannot do with it, as the grant from the Department of Transport to build it was for transport purposes only. The council could be acting illegally now by allowing the current occupation - I hope they've checked. Nothing would surprise me about this council. Since I've lived here there has been: A failed park and ride, the failure of which was obvious from the outset to anyone with half a brain. Plans to allow a commercial company to put a giant (and I mean giant) stainless steel pyramid on Baiter, which happily was stopped before it got to planning by weight of objections from the public. Even for that the council wined and dined the commercial company when it should have been the other way round. Surveillance intended for terrorism was used to check if a family lived in a school catchment area. A lifting bridge that is pretty but frequently needs repairs. A disastrous gyratory road system off the new bridge. Silly short lengths of cycle paths which are added up to meet government requirements. Local councillors being told they should not represent their residents as they were elected to do, but to toe the party line instead. A mayor who didn’t remain impartial. And they're just the things which spring immediately to mind. Carolyn43
  • Score: 13

12:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
Any FOI request to Bournemouth or Poole Council are generally rebuffed stating they'd not be in the interest of their commercial agreements!
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?[/p][/quote]Any FOI request to Bournemouth or Poole Council are generally rebuffed stating they'd not be in the interest of their commercial agreements! speedy231278
  • Score: 11

1:27pm Thu 14 Aug 14

JustForPoole says...

Could the Police Commissioner, Martyn Underhill, please tell me why he does not instruct his Police Force to get out on the ground and enforce the laws of the land????? Simple question .... answer please !!!
Could the Police Commissioner, Martyn Underhill, please tell me why he does not instruct his Police Force to get out on the ground and enforce the laws of the land????? Simple question .... answer please !!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 15

1:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Talk Sense says...

JustForPoole wrote:
They just drive into Baiter car park like everyone else .... except they don`t pay ... why oh why do we not enforce the request for payment ... clamp vehicles and caravans until payment is made ... make life uncomfortable for them .... they make it bl**dy uncomfortable for us the Tax Payer!!!!
Totally agree and have said this before, Poole has to become an unattractive place for them to visit. Their everyday life needs to be made a living hell. Spend the money on employing an individual a private security firm, or whatever to ensure that their every movement is logged, if criminal action is witnessed they can be prosecuted. (not that they will be) Subject them to random checks by the police, there is bound to be more than one good reason to search the encampments. At the end of the day if they are made to feel unwelcome and life becomes a misery, they won't come back.
[quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: They just drive into Baiter car park like everyone else .... except they don`t pay ... why oh why do we not enforce the request for payment ... clamp vehicles and caravans until payment is made ... make life uncomfortable for them .... they make it bl**dy uncomfortable for us the Tax Payer!!!![/p][/quote]Totally agree and have said this before, Poole has to become an unattractive place for them to visit. Their everyday life needs to be made a living hell. Spend the money on employing an individual a private security firm, or whatever to ensure that their every movement is logged, if criminal action is witnessed they can be prosecuted. (not that they will be) Subject them to random checks by the police, there is bound to be more than one good reason to search the encampments. At the end of the day if they are made to feel unwelcome and life becomes a misery, they won't come back. Talk Sense
  • Score: 12

3:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Teddy 1 wrote:
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
Any FOI request to Bournemouth or Poole Council are generally rebuffed stating they'd not be in the interest of their commercial agreements!
If they are refused then challenge through the information commissioners office. The council face hefty fines which the ico arent afraid to give...and the bad publicity. No documents (including notes in notebooks) should be destroyed. If you have grounds then report them!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?[/p][/quote]Any FOI request to Bournemouth or Poole Council are generally rebuffed stating they'd not be in the interest of their commercial agreements![/p][/quote]If they are refused then challenge through the information commissioners office. The council face hefty fines which the ico arent afraid to give...and the bad publicity. No documents (including notes in notebooks) should be destroyed. If you have grounds then report them! Teddy 1
  • Score: 6

3:21pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Teddy 1 wrote:
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
There shouldn't be any emails or records between Eades and council officers regarding the proposed TSPs - he was mayor during that and his remit for that was to be impartial.

The council proposed to keep the TSPs locked and only open them when travellers arrived. Don't they realise travellers have a universal key to get into any site they choose to occupy - it's called bolt croppers.

It's not down to the residents of Creekmoor to decide what happens at the park and ride, but the council who need to check the legal position on what they can and cannot do with it, as the grant from the Department of Transport to build it was for transport purposes only. The council could be acting illegally now by allowing the current occupation - I hope they've checked.

Nothing would surprise me about this council. Since I've lived here there has been:

A failed park and ride, the failure of which was obvious from the outset to anyone with half a brain.

Plans to allow a commercial company to put a giant (and I mean giant) stainless steel pyramid on Baiter, which happily was stopped before it got to planning by weight of objections from the public. Even for that the council wined and dined the commercial company when it should have been the other way round.

Surveillance intended for terrorism was used to check if a family lived in a school catchment area.

A lifting bridge that is pretty but frequently needs repairs.

A disastrous gyratory road system off the new bridge.

Silly short lengths of cycle paths which are added up to meet government requirements.

Local councillors being told they should not represent their residents as they were elected to do, but to toe the party line instead.

A mayor who didn’t remain impartial.


And they're just the things which spring immediately to mind.
Agree its not for the creekmoor residents to decide the use for the land but, if they dont, the same issue may welll occur next year. Time to be proactive and think wider on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?[/p][/quote]There shouldn't be any emails or records between Eades and council officers regarding the proposed TSPs - he was mayor during that and his remit for that was to be impartial. The council proposed to keep the TSPs locked and only open them when travellers arrived. Don't they realise travellers have a universal key to get into any site they choose to occupy - it's called bolt croppers. It's not down to the residents of Creekmoor to decide what happens at the park and ride, but the council who need to check the legal position on what they can and cannot do with it, as the grant from the Department of Transport to build it was for transport purposes only. The council could be acting illegally now by allowing the current occupation - I hope they've checked. Nothing would surprise me about this council. Since I've lived here there has been: A failed park and ride, the failure of which was obvious from the outset to anyone with half a brain. Plans to allow a commercial company to put a giant (and I mean giant) stainless steel pyramid on Baiter, which happily was stopped before it got to planning by weight of objections from the public. Even for that the council wined and dined the commercial company when it should have been the other way round. Surveillance intended for terrorism was used to check if a family lived in a school catchment area. A lifting bridge that is pretty but frequently needs repairs. A disastrous gyratory road system off the new bridge. Silly short lengths of cycle paths which are added up to meet government requirements. Local councillors being told they should not represent their residents as they were elected to do, but to toe the party line instead. A mayor who didn’t remain impartial. And they're just the things which spring immediately to mind.[/p][/quote]Agree its not for the creekmoor residents to decide the use for the land but, if they dont, the same issue may welll occur next year. Time to be proactive and think wider on this issue. Teddy 1
  • Score: 4

9:33pm Thu 14 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

folkprotector wrote:
How much protection do these law breakers get!? They repeatedly ignore laws and receive no penalties... truly beyond comprehension!
Why though?? The council and police are spineless wimps
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: How much protection do these law breakers get!? They repeatedly ignore laws and receive no penalties... truly beyond comprehension![/p][/quote]Why though?? The council and police are spineless wimps HRH of Boscombe
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7:39am Fri 15 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

So OHEC you delete my comment, why is that just incase it upsets the local council. Lots of things in this country has changed, many of those changes not for the better but last I saw FREEDOM OF SPEECH WAS STILL LEGAL! So I will resubmit my comment from yesterday word for word!

Sounds to me like a deal has been struck. It makes me sick that these animals get away with this every year.
What it needs is for us the local taxpayer to stop paying our COUNCIL TAX. They live for free in our borough, so why should we pay. Also perhaps we should start parking where we want, register our vehicles to a PO Box number so avoid fines etc.... Maybe then this toothless good for nothing council will look up and listen to us the local residents! Time for change!!!!! In every aspect Inc the law for these blood sucking thieving IRISH and the COUNCIL.
So OHEC you delete my comment, why is that just incase it upsets the local council. Lots of things in this country has changed, many of those changes not for the better but last I saw FREEDOM OF SPEECH WAS STILL LEGAL! So I will resubmit my comment from yesterday word for word! Sounds to me like a deal has been struck. It makes me sick that these animals get away with this every year. What it needs is for us the local taxpayer to stop paying our COUNCIL TAX. They live for free in our borough, so why should we pay. Also perhaps we should start parking where we want, register our vehicles to a PO Box number so avoid fines etc.... Maybe then this toothless good for nothing council will look up and listen to us the local residents! Time for change!!!!! In every aspect Inc the law for these blood sucking thieving IRISH and the COUNCIL. DansAFCB
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9:10am Fri 15 Aug 14

Fed up poole resident says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year.

Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request.

Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?
I don't understand why it isn't used as a park and ride facility for Sandbanks beach during hot summer weekends and for fireworks night at Poole Quay on Thursday evenings. Regarding the impact the travellers have on the local community, I know there have been various incidents at the Toby Carvery at Fleetsbridge involving travellers. One particular incident occurred after closing time when a large group of travellers gathered in the car park and refused to leave. They were extremely rowdy and when the police were called, one police car turned up with two officers in who unsurprisingly refused to get out of their vehicle! I wonder just how many people in surrounding areas have been impacted by the travellers' prolonged stay. I personally have had repeated requests from them to tarmac my perfectly adequate driveway and they have a special interest in my vehicle! Suffice to say we have increased security measures significantly at great personal expense. I wonder if Poole council would like to reimburse me?
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Creekmoor residents need to start thinking how the p&r site can be used otherwise this will happen every year. Anyone put in a freedom of information request to obtain all emails and records of conversations from me eades and council officers about this issue. They are legally bound to supply Information to you that you request. Lastly anyone got the national press interested yet? ?[/p][/quote]I don't understand why it isn't used as a park and ride facility for Sandbanks beach during hot summer weekends and for fireworks night at Poole Quay on Thursday evenings. Regarding the impact the travellers have on the local community, I know there have been various incidents at the Toby Carvery at Fleetsbridge involving travellers. One particular incident occurred after closing time when a large group of travellers gathered in the car park and refused to leave. They were extremely rowdy and when the police were called, one police car turned up with two officers in who unsurprisingly refused to get out of their vehicle! I wonder just how many people in surrounding areas have been impacted by the travellers' prolonged stay. I personally have had repeated requests from them to tarmac my perfectly adequate driveway and they have a special interest in my vehicle! Suffice to say we have increased security measures significantly at great personal expense. I wonder if Poole council would like to reimburse me? Fed up poole resident
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