Navitus Bay: We were right about visuals, say protestors

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ONE of the groups opposing the Navitus Bay wind farm says it was proved right after guidance on visuals was changed.

As reported by the Daily Echo, there has been a long-running dispute over the parameters for showing the scale of developments like Navitus Bay in public consultations.

Opposition organisation Challenge Navitus has long said that Navitus Bay Development Ltd's images, shown to the public at exhibitions during the consultation phase, played down the scale of the development, which could see as many as 194 wind turbines as high as 200m placed off the coast - 12 miles from Christchurch, 13 from Bournemouth and Poole and nine from Swanage.

Challenge Navitus produced its own visuals, which it said more accurately portrayed how the wind farm would look.

Now, Scottish Natural Heritage, author of the old guidance used during the consultation, has announced changes, specifying larger-scale images, among other things, which it says will “deliver a significant improvement in the way wind farms are represented”.

But it comes too late for Navitus Bay, which has now been submitted to the Planning Inspectorate.

Andrew Langley of Challenge Navitus said that was “regrettable”.

He added: “As a result, the public has been denied a fair chance to assess this and many other proposals.

“Over a year ago Challenge Navitus published images in the formats now adopted by SNH.

“NBDL chose to stick with the old guidance, although one of the new formats had already been applied to a similar offshore wind farm in Scotland.

“NBDL may claim that the change makes no difference to its visual impact assessment, and that they were only following industry protocol, but the public just wanted realistic images from the developer to judge for themselves.”

Mike Unsworth, project director at Navitus Bay, said that the old guidelines applied when it submitted its application in April.

He added: “When we submitted the application, a draft version of potentially revised guidelines that SNH had produced was out for consultation and this clearly stated: 'until the consultation process is complete and revised guidance published, developers should continue to follow the recommendations set out in the first version of this guidance, published in 2006'.

“Now, the new guidance is clear that, even for planning applications for projects submitted now and throughout the next six months, following the 2006 SNH guidelines is appropriate.”

He said that NBDL remained confident that its images were “robust and valid”.

A SEPARATE ruling from Ofgem ruling could have an effect on NBDL's plans.

The energy regulator has refused to approve a request from the developer of a wind farm off the Lincolnshire coast for “compulsory rights of entry” to people's land to lay cables to connect to the National Grid.

It is a victory for landowners that object to their land being dug up to lay the cables needed to connect wind turbines to the grid.

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6:50am Fri 8 Aug 14

N Smith says...

Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it.
Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it. N Smith
  • Score: -11

8:06am Fri 8 Aug 14

Ophilum says...

N Smith wrote:
Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it.
Boring indeed, build it NO you must be a thicko .... think you will be paying through your electric bills for years to come but then perhaps mum pays your way the sound of it, no to subsidies for the stupid idea and it will go away.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it.[/p][/quote]Boring indeed, build it NO you must be a thicko .... think you will be paying through your electric bills for years to come but then perhaps mum pays your way the sound of it, no to subsidies for the stupid idea and it will go away. Ophilum
  • Score: -8

8:40am Fri 8 Aug 14

Townee says...

Come on Echo give a balanced view not the negative as usual. There are two point to each idea but you only seem to print the negative, from that we can assume you are not in favour of the plan. As journalists you have a duty to print an unbiased view not what you think is right.
Come on Echo give a balanced view not the negative as usual. There are two point to each idea but you only seem to print the negative, from that we can assume you are not in favour of the plan. As journalists you have a duty to print an unbiased view not what you think is right. Townee
  • Score: 7

8:43am Fri 8 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

NBDL seem to be using a "if we don't look it won't exist" approach to the more realistic images. Let's hope that Ofgem continues to use a more mature approach for assessing this project, as they have done in Lincolnshire.
NBDL seem to be using a "if we don't look it won't exist" approach to the more realistic images. Let's hope that Ofgem continues to use a more mature approach for assessing this project, as they have done in Lincolnshire. folkprotector
  • Score: 3

8:45am Fri 8 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Ophilum:
You are already paying (through your Electricity bill) to subsidise conventional Gas/Coal power stations to keep them running through next Winter due to a lack alternative power sources. Also at the moment Russia could very easily double the price of Gas or even cut it off if they chose. Without alternative power this country is sunk.
Ophilum: You are already paying (through your Electricity bill) to subsidise conventional Gas/Coal power stations to keep them running through next Winter due to a lack alternative power sources. Also at the moment Russia could very easily double the price of Gas or even cut it off if they chose. Without alternative power this country is sunk. Tripod
  • Score: 12

8:45am Fri 8 Aug 14

Anneaa says...

The protesters are just a load of NIMBY's who only care about now not the future of their children, grand children and further generations!! If they get their way their descendants and those of all of us wont have much of a country to live in!!
The protesters are just a load of NIMBY's who only care about now not the future of their children, grand children and further generations!! If they get their way their descendants and those of all of us wont have much of a country to live in!! Anneaa
  • Score: -4

8:59am Fri 8 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Hey! Here's an idea... why don't we all waste gas and electricity a whole lot less and then we won't need the extra power that these wind turbines are projected to generate. I've already started to cut back.
Hey! Here's an idea... why don't we all waste gas and electricity a whole lot less and then we won't need the extra power that these wind turbines are projected to generate. I've already started to cut back. folkprotector
  • Score: 15

9:07am Fri 8 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.
... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid. folkprotector
  • Score: 13

12:03pm Fri 8 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

Challenge Navitus, shut the hell up. Your slow, you do not have the figures, and you are just wasting time. Lying on the shores of Bournemouth and Poole, Windfarms at 200m high, at a distance of 13 miles, would be not or hardly visible, indeed not enough to ruin ones view over the bay.

Get a life for god sake. It is needed and hopefully without the help of you tree huggers it will be built.
Challenge Navitus, shut the hell up. Your slow, you do not have the figures, and you are just wasting time. Lying on the shores of Bournemouth and Poole, Windfarms at 200m high, at a distance of 13 miles, would be not or hardly visible, indeed not enough to ruin ones view over the bay. Get a life for god sake. It is needed and hopefully without the help of you tree huggers it will be built. TheDistrict
  • Score: 7

12:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

a.g.o.g. says...

``regretable!!!`
It is a disgrace that Planning judgement will be based on incorrect visualizations of these already archaic before they are even built monstrsities.
A ``Trick in the Tale`` indeed!
``regretable!!!` It is a disgrace that Planning judgement will be based on incorrect visualizations of these already archaic before they are even built monstrsities. A ``Trick in the Tale`` indeed! a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 3

12:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

coster says...

Remove the subsidy, and the project will disappear.
Remove the subsidy, and the project will disappear. coster
  • Score: -1

1:17pm Fri 8 Aug 14

N Smith says...

Ophilum wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it.
Boring indeed, build it NO you must be a thicko .... think you will be paying through your electric bills for years to come but then perhaps mum pays your way the sound of it, no to subsidies for the stupid idea and it will go away.
Doubt if my 75 yr old mother would be happy about paying my bills thicko,you protestors think that everyone who wants they sites to be built are either young people or tree huggers.You are the minority you have had your say and public opinion is against you Get over it.
[quote][p][bold]Ophilum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Yawn yawn more boring crap from the protesters just get on and build it.[/p][/quote]Boring indeed, build it NO you must be a thicko .... think you will be paying through your electric bills for years to come but then perhaps mum pays your way the sound of it, no to subsidies for the stupid idea and it will go away.[/p][/quote]Doubt if my 75 yr old mother would be happy about paying my bills thicko,you protestors think that everyone who wants they sites to be built are either young people or tree huggers.You are the minority you have had your say and public opinion is against you Get over it. N Smith
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Fri 8 Aug 14

N Smith says...

folkprotector wrote:
... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.
Why not have both? Surely it's a combination of every thing coming together that will be successful .
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: ... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.[/p][/quote]Why not have both? Surely it's a combination of every thing coming together that will be successful . N Smith
  • Score: 10

1:57pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

folkprotector wrote:
... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.
Sorry please don't come on here with common sense. Ruins it for the rest if us :-) I totally agree, if more buildings had solar panels it would help. New builds should have solar panels for hot water and electricity. Every little helps.
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: ... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.[/p][/quote]Sorry please don't come on here with common sense. Ruins it for the rest if us :-) I totally agree, if more buildings had solar panels it would help. New builds should have solar panels for hot water and electricity. Every little helps. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 6

5:13pm Fri 8 Aug 14

a.g.o.g. says...

folkprotector wrote:
... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.
no they don`t - most private domestic systems are unable to do this and so they get allowed a ``say`` figure relative to the amount they might have been able to feed-in.....so I learned from asking.
So Solar Arrays on homes do not automatically mean they are in fact supplying anyone but themselves.
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: ... and another thing... divert the millions allocated to the turbines' development and subsequent maintenance to another project: use that budget to provide solar panels for homes in the area. That provides houses with electricity, reduces the burden on the National Grid, eliminates maintenance costs and doesn't ruin the beauty along our coastline. Plus... anyone who has the solar panels gets paid for any electricity that they feed back into the grid, which benefits everyone linked to the grid.[/p][/quote]no they don`t - most private domestic systems are unable to do this and so they get allowed a ``say`` figure relative to the amount they might have been able to feed-in.....so I learned from asking. So Solar Arrays on homes do not automatically mean they are in fact supplying anyone but themselves. a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 0

1:25am Sun 10 Aug 14

save energy says...

If you want to see what they will really look like, visit the North Wales coast, Colwyn Bay, between Prestatyn & Llandudno .

Absolutely hideous & can be seen from Anglesey.....40kM away !!
If you want to see what they will really look like, visit the North Wales coast, Colwyn Bay, between Prestatyn & Llandudno . Absolutely hideous & can be seen from Anglesey.....40kM away !! save energy
  • Score: 1

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