Council to apply for eviction order to move travellers from Baiter Park

Travellers on land at Baiter Park yesterday morning

Travellers on land at Baiter Park yesterday morning

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COUNCIL officials have started proceedings to evict travellers from Poole’s Baiter Park

Yesterday, there were eight caravans and associated vehicles parked up at the corner of the popular public park.

Four more caravans moved onto the site sometime over the weekend, doubling the size of the unauthorised encampment.

Borough of Poole officers had already served half the caravans with direction orders, a pre-cursor to securing eviction orders through the courts.

The council’s environmental and consumer protection team manager, Jeff Morley, confirmed officers have visited the site and that a skip was being provided to ensure it remains tidy.

He explained: “Direction orders have been served requiring the travellers to leave the site. Court time has also been booked for Thursday to apply for an eviction order, subject to the court granting the eviction order the group has 24 hours to leave the site after it has been served.”

One Baiter resident, who asked not to be named, told the Daily Echo: “They’re out of the way from the point of view of the houses, but it’s a bit of an eyesore for people using the park.

“I know people have different lifestyles and we have to respect that, but the general feeling is, rightly or wrongly, that there is one law for one set of people, and another for the rest of us.

“Saying that, I’ve not heard of any problems over the weekend. Hopefully there will not be too much of a mess left to clear up.”

Another resident, who witnessed one of the travellers’ vans driving onto the park last week, said it was unfair that so many people now felt intimidated in what is a public open space.

 “My partner’s mother likes to sit up on the benches, but she won’t do that now while they are there. 

“A lot of people in the community say they feel intimidated.”

Initially, four caravans moved onto a car park at Baiter Park last week. 

These caravans were then driven onto the main parkland sometime between last Thursday  night and last Friday morning.

At the end of last week, Borough of Poole served direction orders on those first four caravans, in anticipation of going to court to seek eviction orders sometime this week.

Meanwhile, at a separate site at Fleetsbridge, Poole, four traveller caravans remain at land adjacent to Staples car park and Christopher Crescent.

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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11:18am Mon 21 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)?
I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)? speedy231278
  • Score: 21

11:21am Mon 21 Jul 14

steve518 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)?
They will probably sell the metres for scrap
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)?[/p][/quote]They will probably sell the metres for scrap steve518
  • Score: 32

11:28am Mon 21 Jul 14

TheDistrict says...

People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us.

Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately.

And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right.
People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us. Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately. And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right. TheDistrict
  • Score: 72

11:33am Mon 21 Jul 14

G from Kinson says...

Could be the 4 that left Kinson Common on Friday night!
Could be the 4 that left Kinson Common on Friday night! G from Kinson
  • Score: 17

11:33am Mon 21 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

In the ethnic sense of the word upon what cast iron evidence are these caravanning seasonal holidaymakers being referred to and treated as 'travellers'? I anticipate that virtually every local resident now requires a full explanation from our public authorities about how they apparently come to this unquestioning conclusion for every illegal caravan incursion site, and of course then place the offenders above the law.
In the ethnic sense of the word upon what cast iron evidence are these caravanning seasonal holidaymakers being referred to and treated as 'travellers'? I anticipate that virtually every local resident now requires a full explanation from our public authorities about how they apparently come to this unquestioning conclusion for every illegal caravan incursion site, and of course then place the offenders above the law. muscliffman
  • Score: 49

11:34am Mon 21 Jul 14

MrDMan says...

I wouldn't normally like to talk on others' behalf, but I think that these two words will sum up how a lot of people feel every time they read this story and others like it.

"FED UP"
I wouldn't normally like to talk on others' behalf, but I think that these two words will sum up how a lot of people feel every time they read this story and others like it. "FED UP" MrDMan
  • Score: 43

11:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

60plus says...

Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.
Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers. 60plus
  • Score: -3

12:14pm Mon 21 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

60plus wrote:
Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.
I am unsure how you conclude from a number plate that a vehicle is hired - unless the hire firm name in small print is included at the base.

But it does certainly appear that very routinely the quite new vehicles used by these 'Irish travellers' tourists are UK number plated and therefore must be registered to addresses in this Country - often it seems first licensed in areas of the Midlands, Merseyside, Devon and South Yorkshire.

But is anyone who should be, asking any questions - it seems it may be a lot simpler for those in authority not to.
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.[/p][/quote]I am unsure how you conclude from a number plate that a vehicle is hired - unless the hire firm name in small print is included at the base. But it does certainly appear that very routinely the quite new vehicles used by these 'Irish travellers' tourists are UK number plated and therefore must be registered to addresses in this Country - often it seems first licensed in areas of the Midlands, Merseyside, Devon and South Yorkshire. But is anyone who should be, asking any questions - it seems it may be a lot simpler for those in authority not to. muscliffman
  • Score: 26

12:47pm Mon 21 Jul 14

sea poole says...

4x4 new vehicles are being driven ACROSS Baiter Park to the public toilets -about 100metres away. Too lazy to even walk. Even a traffic warden, apparently watched them being driven but just focused on legitimately-parked vehicles on the road
4x4 new vehicles are being driven ACROSS Baiter Park to the public toilets -about 100metres away. Too lazy to even walk. Even a traffic warden, apparently watched them being driven but just focused on legitimately-parked vehicles on the road sea poole
  • Score: 39

12:54pm Mon 21 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

speedy231278 wrote:
I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)?
More chance of them breaking into the parking meters to get the money out.....
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I hope they put money in the parking meter..... (if one is present)?[/p][/quote]More chance of them breaking into the parking meters to get the money out..... burgerboy
  • Score: 25

1:01pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Operation Lockdown is going well then.......
Operation Lockdown is going well then....... BarrHumbug
  • Score: 35

1:04pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Tyre spikes across the opening. End of hassle.
They wouldn't / couldn't spend hours trying to remove them.
The Council have the resources to remove them when needed.
Tyre spikes across the opening. End of hassle. They wouldn't / couldn't spend hours trying to remove them. The Council have the resources to remove them when needed. BIGTONE
  • Score: 21

1:27pm Mon 21 Jul 14

baxi says...

As a motorhome owner and only staying on registered camping sites I am at a complete loss to understand why the Police or Local Authority are unable to impound their caravans or vehicles ????
I am certain that if I or any of my camping friends were to occupy such a space we would be turfed off and face a fine ????
As a motorhome owner and only staying on registered camping sites I am at a complete loss to understand why the Police or Local Authority are unable to impound their caravans or vehicles ???? I am certain that if I or any of my camping friends were to occupy such a space we would be turfed off and face a fine ???? baxi
  • Score: 36

1:37pm Mon 21 Jul 14

adspacebroker says...

Poole Borough Council - What action have to taken to seek renumeration and compensation from the travellers for parking and facilities provided by the taxpayer......where do the travellers get their money for fuel and food...oh and of course beer seeing as they were high flying on the Quay over the weekend. Obviously word is getting out about the weak and pathetic Poole Council who invite travellers onto 'our land' and provide them with toilets, skips, free rent and parking. The minute they are hoofed off the land, Dorset Police, DVLA, VOSA and HMRC should be around the corner waiting to deal with them. It is a joke at tax payers expense
Poole Borough Council - What action have to taken to seek renumeration and compensation from the travellers for parking and facilities provided by the taxpayer......where do the travellers get their money for fuel and food...oh and of course beer seeing as they were high flying on the Quay over the weekend. Obviously word is getting out about the weak and pathetic Poole Council who invite travellers onto 'our land' and provide them with toilets, skips, free rent and parking. The minute they are hoofed off the land, Dorset Police, DVLA, VOSA and HMRC should be around the corner waiting to deal with them. It is a joke at tax payers expense adspacebroker
  • Score: 39

1:38pm Mon 21 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

baxi wrote:
As a motorhome owner and only staying on registered camping sites I am at a complete loss to understand why the Police or Local Authority are unable to impound their caravans or vehicles ????
I am certain that if I or any of my camping friends were to occupy such a space we would be turfed off and face a fine ????
all you genuine motorhomers have to do is, park where you like, refuse to move and then don't bother to pay the fine which wont be issued if you don't give an address.
[quote][p][bold]baxi[/bold] wrote: As a motorhome owner and only staying on registered camping sites I am at a complete loss to understand why the Police or Local Authority are unable to impound their caravans or vehicles ???? I am certain that if I or any of my camping friends were to occupy such a space we would be turfed off and face a fine ????[/p][/quote]all you genuine motorhomers have to do is, park where you like, refuse to move and then don't bother to pay the fine which wont be issued if you don't give an address. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: 13

1:39pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Minty Fresh says...

TheDistrict wrote:
People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us.

Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately.

And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right.
Well said!

Unfortunately, the Daily Echo's US owners Gannett/Newsquest are not the slightest bit interested in having their publications back their readers over important local issues. This has been proved over and over again on this topic. If the Echo had decent owners and an Editor worth anything, they would have launched a high profile campaign a couple of years ago for a law change that would put an end to these nomads invading our public spaces, breaking the law and getting away with it.

So here's my question yet again to Toby Whatsyourname, the so called Editor of this rag who hides under his desk in Weymouth: When are you and this publication going to grow a pair and back us locals on this issue? When are you going to lobby local MP's for a law change that would put an end to the discrimination WE are suffering? When will we see a law change that would see these troublesome nomads prosecuted the same way the rest of us would be if we broke the laws they do?

No more excuses Echo. Back us or lose even more of your readers.
(And yes, we all know your sales figures are the lowest they've ever been and it's no wonder, especially with that price hike last year, where we were promised a far superior publication in return! Well that turned out to be a big fat lie didn't it?)
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us. Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately. And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right.[/p][/quote]Well said! Unfortunately, the Daily Echo's US owners Gannett/Newsquest are not the slightest bit interested in having their publications back their readers over important local issues. This has been proved over and over again on this topic. If the Echo had decent owners and an Editor worth anything, they would have launched a high profile campaign a couple of years ago for a law change that would put an end to these nomads invading our public spaces, breaking the law and getting away with it. So here's my question yet again to Toby Whatsyourname, the so called Editor of this rag who hides under his desk in Weymouth: When are you and this publication going to grow a pair and back us locals on this issue? When are you going to lobby local MP's for a law change that would put an end to the discrimination WE are suffering? When will we see a law change that would see these troublesome nomads prosecuted the same way the rest of us would be if we broke the laws they do? No more excuses Echo. Back us or lose even more of your readers. (And yes, we all know your sales figures are the lowest they've ever been and it's no wonder, especially with that price hike last year, where we were promised a far superior publication in return! Well that turned out to be a big fat lie didn't it?) Minty Fresh
  • Score: 40

1:39pm Mon 21 Jul 14

PeteLandis says...

"Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. "
Should read "...protected by the Race Relations Act, Police, Courts, MPs, and Parliament"
"Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. " Should read "...protected by the Race Relations Act, Police, Courts, MPs, and Parliament" PeteLandis
  • Score: 18

1:50pm Mon 21 Jul 14

PeteLandis says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us.

Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately.

And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right.
Well said!

Unfortunately, the Daily Echo's US owners Gannett/Newsquest are not the slightest bit interested in having their publications back their readers over important local issues. This has been proved over and over again on this topic. If the Echo had decent owners and an Editor worth anything, they would have launched a high profile campaign a couple of years ago for a law change that would put an end to these nomads invading our public spaces, breaking the law and getting away with it.

So here's my question yet again to Toby Whatsyourname, the so called Editor of this rag who hides under his desk in Weymouth: When are you and this publication going to grow a pair and back us locals on this issue? When are you going to lobby local MP's for a law change that would put an end to the discrimination WE are suffering? When will we see a law change that would see these troublesome nomads prosecuted the same way the rest of us would be if we broke the laws they do?

No more excuses Echo. Back us or lose even more of your readers.
(And yes, we all know your sales figures are the lowest they've ever been and it's no wonder, especially with that price hike last year, where we were promised a far superior publication in return! Well that turned out to be a big fat lie didn't it?)
Problem is the editor of the echo is just as gutless as the police and courts who protect these people
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: People might have different life styles, but these so call Echo supported Travellers have their own styles, in which they do not care if you or I like it or not. Both Councils and Police are frightened to tread on their toes, in fear of unjustifial repraisals. The British Judge who ordered this fiasco needs to be dragged by his wig, and shown the areas these TRAVELLERS use, and the mess they leave behind. It might change his attitude towards them, as it has done to us. Has Poole Council now got to get a 2nd court order to remove the new incumbents, or will they come under the 1st order. Is this a new ploy by the travellers to keep a place open to them indefinately. And finally. Echo, when will stop backing them. Or is it because you are scared also, and use that stupid comment at the beginning of each traveller story to save yourselves. In my opinion we have the right to say what we will. They can do what they want. Is that right.[/p][/quote]Well said! Unfortunately, the Daily Echo's US owners Gannett/Newsquest are not the slightest bit interested in having their publications back their readers over important local issues. This has been proved over and over again on this topic. If the Echo had decent owners and an Editor worth anything, they would have launched a high profile campaign a couple of years ago for a law change that would put an end to these nomads invading our public spaces, breaking the law and getting away with it. So here's my question yet again to Toby Whatsyourname, the so called Editor of this rag who hides under his desk in Weymouth: When are you and this publication going to grow a pair and back us locals on this issue? When are you going to lobby local MP's for a law change that would put an end to the discrimination WE are suffering? When will we see a law change that would see these troublesome nomads prosecuted the same way the rest of us would be if we broke the laws they do? No more excuses Echo. Back us or lose even more of your readers. (And yes, we all know your sales figures are the lowest they've ever been and it's no wonder, especially with that price hike last year, where we were promised a far superior publication in return! Well that turned out to be a big fat lie didn't it?)[/p][/quote]Problem is the editor of the echo is just as gutless as the police and courts who protect these people PeteLandis
  • Score: 29

2:01pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Mattguna says...

60plus wrote:
Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.
Who cares if they are "GENUINE TRAVELLERS, that is just politically correct terminology for littering selfish parasites.

Record their registrations and issue significant fines which can be collected across borders, just like parking tickets and speeding can be. Secondly, once convicted and fined, the same person, if from outside the mainland cannot come again as an "ETHNICALLY PROTECTED TRAVELLER" or any other nonsensical politically correct protective name or, if they are caught a second time anywhere on the mainland then the fine is doubled so their costs grow exponentially.

Does anyone agree?
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.[/p][/quote]Who cares if they are "GENUINE TRAVELLERS, that is just politically correct terminology for littering selfish parasites. Record their registrations and issue significant fines which can be collected across borders, just like parking tickets and speeding can be. Secondly, once convicted and fined, the same person, if from outside the mainland cannot come again as an "ETHNICALLY PROTECTED TRAVELLER" or any other nonsensical politically correct protective name or, if they are caught a second time anywhere on the mainland then the fine is doubled so their costs grow exponentially. Does anyone agree? Mattguna
  • Score: 21

2:07pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bourne free says...

The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?
The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ? bourne free
  • Score: 15

3:30pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

PeteLandis wrote:
"Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. "
Should read "...protected by the Race Relations Act, Police, Courts, MPs, and Parliament"
If the 'Traveller's' are a race, then this needs to be one race that they lose!!
[quote][p][bold]PeteLandis[/bold] wrote: "Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. " Should read "...protected by the Race Relations Act, Police, Courts, MPs, and Parliament"[/p][/quote]If the 'Traveller's' are a race, then this needs to be one race that they lose!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 8

4:55pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Thefrog666 says...

The council is pathetic and so is the law. All weekend these guys have been driving their vehicles over the park and no one stops them. Driving infront of dogs, kids hanging off the back. Kids sweating loudly- while we use the park to walk our sogs; they treat it with no respect and there is rubbish everywhere. Not to mention dog poo from their dogs. I can't pitch up in the park nor drive my car around the park - so what gives them the right?
The council is pathetic and so is the law. All weekend these guys have been driving their vehicles over the park and no one stops them. Driving infront of dogs, kids hanging off the back. Kids sweating loudly- while we use the park to walk our sogs; they treat it with no respect and there is rubbish everywhere. Not to mention dog poo from their dogs. I can't pitch up in the park nor drive my car around the park - so what gives them the right? Thefrog666
  • Score: 14

4:58pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Thefrog666 says...

Not to mention the council and police are spineless. If they'd done their job right in the first place; the travellers wouldn't have been able to get on the site at all.
Not to mention the council and police are spineless. If they'd done their job right in the first place; the travellers wouldn't have been able to get on the site at all. Thefrog666
  • Score: 10

5:06pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Thefrog666 says...

bourne free wrote:
The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?
The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park!
[quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?[/p][/quote]The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park! Thefrog666
  • Score: 9

5:09pm Mon 21 Jul 14

sea poole says...

Another caravan arrives. More 4x4 cars driving across Baiter. Not a sign of a copper anywhere.
Another caravan arrives. More 4x4 cars driving across Baiter. Not a sign of a copper anywhere. sea poole
  • Score: 14

5:39pm Mon 21 Jul 14

graham241060 says...

Thefrog666 wrote:
bourne free wrote:
The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?
The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park!
I disagree .... I hate to stick up for these "travellers" but the students and skaters using Baiter sate park are an absolute disgrace. There are an abundance of bins but the lazy bbbbbbbs cant even be bothered to use them. Obviously they are the next generation of travellers in the making.
[quote][p][bold]Thefrog666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?[/p][/quote]The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park![/p][/quote]I disagree .... I hate to stick up for these "travellers" but the students and skaters using Baiter sate park are an absolute disgrace. There are an abundance of bins but the lazy bbbbbbbs cant even be bothered to use them. Obviously they are the next generation of travellers in the making. graham241060
  • Score: 2

5:40pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

sea poole wrote:
Another caravan arrives. More 4x4 cars driving across Baiter. Not a sign of a copper anywhere.
They will take it in shifts to arrive because the pending court order only applies to those that were there when it was issued.
They love playing games with legal loopholes.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Another caravan arrives. More 4x4 cars driving across Baiter. Not a sign of a copper anywhere.[/p][/quote]They will take it in shifts to arrive because the pending court order only applies to those that were there when it was issued. They love playing games with legal loopholes. BIGTONE
  • Score: 16

6:18pm Mon 21 Jul 14

chrisii1991 says...

bourne free wrote:
The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?
Do not get me started on those vultures. Leaving their junk there everyday. KFC boxes,smashed beer bottles,paracetamol packets.Have complained several times and they dont do anything. I have heard the gardening staff in the park have had enough.So when will BOP and the police fine them and give them community service? oh yeah never!
[quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?[/p][/quote]Do not get me started on those vultures. Leaving their junk there everyday. KFC boxes,smashed beer bottles,paracetamol packets.Have complained several times and they dont do anything. I have heard the gardening staff in the park have had enough.So when will BOP and the police fine them and give them community service? oh yeah never! chrisii1991
  • Score: 8

6:19pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bourne free says...

graham241060 wrote:
Thefrog666 wrote:
bourne free wrote:
The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?
The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park!
I disagree .... I hate to stick up for these "travellers" but the students and skaters using Baiter sate park are an absolute disgrace. There are an abundance of bins but the lazy bbbbbbbs cant even be bothered to use them. Obviously they are the next generation of travellers in the making.
Prob find there parent / keeper is living like p1keys ,setting a great example !
[quote][p][bold]graham241060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thefrog666[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bourne free[/bold] wrote: The chav kids who hang around by the swimming pool and poole park make more mess than the p1keys at baitor , think there parents could be p1keys aswell ?[/p][/quote]The waste on baiter is worse! At least the kids by the swimming pool go home at night and don't have generators in the outdoors like the idiots at the park![/p][/quote]I disagree .... I hate to stick up for these "travellers" but the students and skaters using Baiter sate park are an absolute disgrace. There are an abundance of bins but the lazy bbbbbbbs cant even be bothered to use them. Obviously they are the next generation of travellers in the making.[/p][/quote]Prob find there parent / keeper is living like p1keys ,setting a great example ! bourne free
  • Score: 9

6:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Carolyn43 says...

One question no-one will answer, not the Echo, not councillors, not BOP officials -

WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN TO CHECK THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GENUINE IRISH TRAVELLERS AND NOT JUST HOLIDAY MAKERS HERE FOR A HOLIDAY AND PARKING WHERE THEY LIKE FOR FREE???????????????

Someone give us an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!
One question no-one will answer, not the Echo, not councillors, not BOP officials - WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN TO CHECK THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GENUINE IRISH TRAVELLERS AND NOT JUST HOLIDAY MAKERS HERE FOR A HOLIDAY AND PARKING WHERE THEY LIKE FOR FREE??????????????? Someone give us an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! Carolyn43
  • Score: 9

10:10pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Yankee1 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
One question no-one will answer, not the Echo, not councillors, not BOP officials -

WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN TO CHECK THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GENUINE IRISH TRAVELLERS AND NOT JUST HOLIDAY MAKERS HERE FOR A HOLIDAY AND PARKING WHERE THEY LIKE FOR FREE???????????????

Someone give us an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!
That would be racial profiling, as would be checking their vehicles for MOTs and insurance. The authorities dare not do any such thing for lack of criticism and censure from the do-gooder brigade.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: One question no-one will answer, not the Echo, not councillors, not BOP officials - WHAT STEPS ARE TAKEN TO CHECK THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GENUINE IRISH TRAVELLERS AND NOT JUST HOLIDAY MAKERS HERE FOR A HOLIDAY AND PARKING WHERE THEY LIKE FOR FREE??????????????? Someone give us an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]That would be racial profiling, as would be checking their vehicles for MOTs and insurance. The authorities dare not do any such thing for lack of criticism and censure from the do-gooder brigade. Yankee1
  • Score: 6

10:26pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

Everyone is scared to do anything, the police tiptoe around them, the council let them do what they want and the public wont go near them. They are a law into themselves and that will never change. Every year the same story will get printed. I dont even know why the echo report it or why they leave the comments section open with a stupid statement telling us not to say anything bad (even they are scared)
Everyone is scared to do anything, the police tiptoe around them, the council let them do what they want and the public wont go near them. They are a law into themselves and that will never change. Every year the same story will get printed. I dont even know why the echo report it or why they leave the comments section open with a stupid statement telling us not to say anything bad (even they are scared) Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: 8

11:04pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Bob49 says...

Mattguna wrote:
60plus wrote:
Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.
Who cares if they are "GENUINE TRAVELLERS, that is just politically correct terminology for littering selfish parasites.

Record their registrations and issue significant fines which can be collected across borders, just like parking tickets and speeding can be. Secondly, once convicted and fined, the same person, if from outside the mainland cannot come again as an "ETHNICALLY PROTECTED TRAVELLER" or any other nonsensical politically correct protective name or, if they are caught a second time anywhere on the mainland then the fine is doubled so their costs grow exponentially.

Does anyone agree?
oh dear, just when we seem to be making progress up pops one of the 'political correctness brigade to bleat out their idiotic cliches. Four legs good....

But all is not lost. We know have two posters who have grasped where the problem really exists - and that is, if certain folk are to be according certain priviliges and protection under a ruling in law then there must be guarantees that only those folk are being accorded these rights.

So once again I will ask the Daily Echo to tell us what checks the local councils are making to confirm that these folk are Travellers, as understood by that ruling. And why isn't the letter of the law being applied as it would to others UNTIL those proofs are furnished and verified ?

Until we begin to use the law to combat this annual nuisance we will fail ..........and suffer the consequences of failure.

The council are paid by us and so need to be accountable to us. In that light I urge all local taxpayers to ask their ward councillors to tell them what checks are made to ensure that those claiming to be Travellers are Travellers as defined by that 2000 court ruling.

Because once we have those terms of reference we can challenge them and so oblige OUR council to challenge them .

We need to fight fire with fire - not nonsensical sub Orwellian cliches
[quote][p][bold]Mattguna[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Some of them where at Sandbanks beach car park over the weekend if you look at the registration of the motor homes they look like hire ones,so are they genuine travellers.[/p][/quote]Who cares if they are "GENUINE TRAVELLERS, that is just politically correct terminology for littering selfish parasites. Record their registrations and issue significant fines which can be collected across borders, just like parking tickets and speeding can be. Secondly, once convicted and fined, the same person, if from outside the mainland cannot come again as an "ETHNICALLY PROTECTED TRAVELLER" or any other nonsensical politically correct protective name or, if they are caught a second time anywhere on the mainland then the fine is doubled so their costs grow exponentially. Does anyone agree?[/p][/quote]oh dear, just when we seem to be making progress up pops one of the 'political correctness brigade to bleat out their idiotic cliches. Four legs good.... But all is not lost. We know have two posters who have grasped where the problem really exists - and that is, if certain folk are to be according certain priviliges and protection under a ruling in law then there must be guarantees that only those folk are being accorded these rights. So once again I will ask the Daily Echo to tell us what checks the local councils are making to confirm that these folk are Travellers, as understood by that ruling. And why isn't the letter of the law being applied as it would to others UNTIL those proofs are furnished and verified ? Until we begin to use the law to combat this annual nuisance we will fail ..........and suffer the consequences of failure. The council are paid by us and so need to be accountable to us. In that light I urge all local taxpayers to ask their ward councillors to tell them what checks are made to ensure that those claiming to be Travellers are Travellers as defined by that 2000 court ruling. Because once we have those terms of reference we can challenge them and so oblige OUR council to challenge them . We need to fight fire with fire - not nonsensical sub Orwellian cliches Bob49
  • Score: 6

9:52am Tue 22 Jul 14

sea poole says...

And what happens to the remaining five caravans that are illegally parked ON Baiter Park? (There's now 9 caravans parked there -the latest arrived, apparently yesterday afternoon) Does that suggest more eviction orders are required and what further costs do those incur?
Interesting to note that yesterday a 'traveller's ' car was seen heading from Baiter along the sea footpath towards Whitecliff -a possibility of entering through the 'back door?'
Honestly Poole Council -all your attempts to deter 'travellers' have been knee jerk and failed miserably
And what happens to the remaining five caravans that are illegally parked ON Baiter Park? (There's now 9 caravans parked there -the latest arrived, apparently yesterday afternoon) Does that suggest more eviction orders are required and what further costs do those incur? Interesting to note that yesterday a 'traveller's ' car was seen heading from Baiter along the sea footpath towards Whitecliff -a possibility of entering through the 'back door?' Honestly Poole Council -all your attempts to deter 'travellers' have been knee jerk and failed miserably sea poole
  • Score: 7

10:01am Tue 22 Jul 14

Father Oblivion says...

It seems to me, as a relative newcomer to the area, that the local paper has journalists that appear to be unable to ask the local council or police relevant questions - questions that are being asked on this forum. I would also say why aren't frequent posters here asking those same authorities the questions themselves. The Freedom of Information act allows anyone to ask the question. Having got an answer, post the answer here, so we can all know.
It seems to me, as a relative newcomer to the area, that the local paper has journalists that appear to be unable to ask the local council or police relevant questions - questions that are being asked on this forum. I would also say why aren't frequent posters here asking those same authorities the questions themselves. The Freedom of Information act allows anyone to ask the question. Having got an answer, post the answer here, so we can all know. Father Oblivion
  • Score: 4

10:07am Tue 22 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Everyone keeps blaming the council and the police for not doing enough and yet since the travellers have been given ethnic status their hands are tied. All the council can really do is apply to the courts for an eviction order, which is what they have done. I expect the travellers will have moved to another site locally before that gets issued, so the whole process will have to start again. Some councillors will be screaming that it is our own fault for opposing the Temporary Stopping Place, which is nonsense because that would have only attracted even more to come to soft touch Poole.

If you want to put a stop to this nonsense then you need to lobby parliament and get the law changed, until then things will simply continue the same, year after year. Sign and share this e-petition with everyone, get those signatures and make a difference. The Echo, the Police and the Council should all get on board with pushing this petition out as well, because this petition was started in March this year and so far only recieve 82 signatures. Who is really not doing enough ?

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822
Everyone keeps blaming the council and the police for not doing enough and yet since the travellers have been given ethnic status their hands are tied. All the council can really do is apply to the courts for an eviction order, which is what they have done. I expect the travellers will have moved to another site locally before that gets issued, so the whole process will have to start again. Some councillors will be screaming that it is our own fault for opposing the Temporary Stopping Place, which is nonsense because that would have only attracted even more to come to soft touch Poole. If you want to put a stop to this nonsense then you need to lobby parliament and get the law changed, until then things will simply continue the same, year after year. Sign and share this e-petition with everyone, get those signatures and make a difference. The Echo, the Police and the Council should all get on board with pushing this petition out as well, because this petition was started in March this year and so far only recieve 82 signatures. Who is really not doing enough ? http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 5

10:17am Tue 22 Jul 14

kangaroo_joey says...

For the council to say the camp at Fleetsbridge havent been causing any trouble, I ask that they contact the Tescos at fleetsbridge and ask what has happened in the last week, one traveller attempted to walk out with a trolley full of champagne worth £800, one tried walking out with a trolley full of make up and other things worth £600 and another treid to walk out with a trolley full of meat. When stopped they all attempted to hit security and staff members when challenged. One even ran out the shop and when security attempted to write down the reg, the thug ripped off the number plates and sped off.
For the council to say the camp at Fleetsbridge havent been causing any trouble, I ask that they contact the Tescos at fleetsbridge and ask what has happened in the last week, one traveller attempted to walk out with a trolley full of champagne worth £800, one tried walking out with a trolley full of make up and other things worth £600 and another treid to walk out with a trolley full of meat. When stopped they all attempted to hit security and staff members when challenged. One even ran out the shop and when security attempted to write down the reg, the thug ripped off the number plates and sped off. kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 3

10:18am Tue 22 Jul 14

Carolyn43 says...

Problem with some of these on-line petitions is that Mickey Mouse and other fictitious characters usually enter bogus details, as you know Marty from the petition you started, making them worthless.
Problem with some of these on-line petitions is that Mickey Mouse and other fictitious characters usually enter bogus details, as you know Marty from the petition you started, making them worthless. Carolyn43
  • Score: -1

12:26pm Tue 22 Jul 14

adspacebroker says...

'These caravans were then driven onto the main parkland sometime between last Thursday night and last Friday morning.' ....and they cut away one of the wooden bollards to gain access. That takes a fair bit of work to remove and there is not other reason to remove it unless you wanted access to the park...so guess who must have done it....and guess who won't have to pay to have it replaced!!!......mor
e toilets please!!! oh and would you like us to do your laundry aswell!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrse!
'These caravans were then driven onto the main parkland sometime between last Thursday night and last Friday morning.' ....and they cut away one of the wooden bollards to gain access. That takes a fair bit of work to remove and there is not other reason to remove it unless you wanted access to the park...so guess who must have done it....and guess who won't have to pay to have it replaced!!!......mor e toilets please!!! oh and would you like us to do your laundry aswell!!! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrse! adspacebroker
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Tue 22 Jul 14

skydriver says...

The council should have done that already, and by now they should have been gone.
I bet if a councillor lived very close by they would have been gone.
I suggest the folk of this area should withhold council tax until these people vacate this site .why should one lot have to pay and the others not.
Well come along all you know all councillors let's have a real answer, not a load of waffle.
The council should have done that already, and by now they should have been gone. I bet if a councillor lived very close by they would have been gone. I suggest the folk of this area should withhold council tax until these people vacate this site .why should one lot have to pay and the others not. Well come along all you know all councillors let's have a real answer, not a load of waffle. skydriver
  • Score: 8

2:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Wackerone says...

Would suggest that Poole Council contact their opposite numbers in Portsmouth to find out how they and Portsmouth threw their undesirables out within 24hrs. Turned up at the Portsmouth park and ride car park on Sunday evening, police threatened them with prosecution if they didn't leave immediately on Monday evening. Like Poole, Portsmouth have no transit camp to move them on to, so no excuses from Poole Council and Dorset Police please. It can be done.
Would suggest that Poole Council contact their opposite numbers in Portsmouth to find out how they and Portsmouth threw their undesirables out within 24hrs. Turned up at the Portsmouth park and ride car park on Sunday evening, police threatened them with prosecution if they didn't leave immediately on Monday evening. Like Poole, Portsmouth have no transit camp to move them on to, so no excuses from Poole Council and Dorset Police please. It can be done. Wackerone
  • Score: 6

6:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

I read somewhere that a mayor in a small Belgian town, blasted very loud non stop music at "travellers.." they left pretty **** quick.
I read somewhere that a mayor in a small Belgian town, blasted very loud non stop music at "travellers.." they left pretty **** quick. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: 4

10:05pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Talli8cakes says...

Just walked my dogs there and there's now 10+ traveler motor homes there. I'm pregnant and they're blocking the path I usually take. I walked near them and they went quiet and stared at me. They also have been given toilets. Not happy. I only moved here a month ago. Poole is an expensive place to live and I don't want my taxes being used to provide bins and toilets for people who don't even pay for parking.
Just walked my dogs there and there's now 10+ traveler motor homes there. I'm pregnant and they're blocking the path I usually take. I walked near them and they went quiet and stared at me. They also have been given toilets. Not happy. I only moved here a month ago. Poole is an expensive place to live and I don't want my taxes being used to provide bins and toilets for people who don't even pay for parking. Talli8cakes
  • Score: 5

1:20am Wed 23 Jul 14

Marty Caine says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Problem with some of these on-line petitions is that Mickey Mouse and other fictitious characters usually enter bogus details, as you know Marty from the petition you started, making them worthless.
The Government e-petitions seem to be pretty stringent and it is only a few minutes of anyones time to sign, nothing to lose and everything to gain by signing it
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Problem with some of these on-line petitions is that Mickey Mouse and other fictitious characters usually enter bogus details, as you know Marty from the petition you started, making them worthless.[/p][/quote]The Government e-petitions seem to be pretty stringent and it is only a few minutes of anyones time to sign, nothing to lose and everything to gain by signing it Marty Caine
  • Score: 1

9:30am Wed 23 Jul 14

canfordcherry says...

Thefrog666 wrote:
The council is pathetic and so is the law. All weekend these guys have been driving their vehicles over the park and no one stops them. Driving infront of dogs, kids hanging off the back. Kids sweating loudly- while we use the park to walk our sogs; they treat it with no respect and there is rubbish everywhere. Not to mention dog poo from their dogs. I can't pitch up in the park nor drive my car around the park - so what gives them the right?
I think it's a bit unfair to persecute the kids for 'sweaTing loudly' (not sure how this is possible). Have fun walking your 'sog'??
Seriously though, It seems that the problem is only with the Baiter 'campers'. I personally have not had a problem with the Fleets ones who, since their arrival, have bid me good morning as I cycle past at 8am'ish and moved out of my way if they were blocking the path. The kids with them who are out playing in the afternoon, on my way home, are just kid's being kid's.
There are good travellers out there, it's a shame they don't police their own settlements and chastise the unruly ones, or perhaps they do and that's why we get the bad ones grouping together?
[quote][p][bold]Thefrog666[/bold] wrote: The council is pathetic and so is the law. All weekend these guys have been driving their vehicles over the park and no one stops them. Driving infront of dogs, kids hanging off the back. Kids sweating loudly- while we use the park to walk our sogs; they treat it with no respect and there is rubbish everywhere. Not to mention dog poo from their dogs. I can't pitch up in the park nor drive my car around the park - so what gives them the right?[/p][/quote]I think it's a bit unfair to persecute the kids for 'sweaTing loudly' (not sure how this is possible). Have fun walking your 'sog'?? Seriously though, It seems that the problem is only with the Baiter 'campers'. I personally have not had a problem with the Fleets ones who, since their arrival, have bid me good morning as I cycle past at 8am'ish and moved out of my way if they were blocking the path. The kids with them who are out playing in the afternoon, on my way home, are just kid's being kid's. There are good travellers out there, it's a shame they don't police their own settlements and chastise the unruly ones, or perhaps they do and that's why we get the bad ones grouping together? canfordcherry
  • Score: 1

7:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

Promises,promises,th
ats all we hear from our councils.
Promises,promises,th ats all we hear from our councils. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

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