In Depth: the eight new potential gypsy and traveller sites under consideration in Dorset

Travellers at Kinson Common

Travellers at Kinson Common

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Dorset County Council has added eight sites to those being considered as potential gyspy and traveller sites.

Why are these sites being added to those under consideration?

In a report in September, the council's consultants said there were 150 new pitches needed between now and 2028.

There are 29 households already on the waiting list for a space on a public pitch, with another 59 households either homeless (usually in council housing) living in another household (caravan) or in an authorised encampment.  The consultants estimate by 2028 another 63 households will need a pitch, along with the seven living on sites with temporary planning permission.

The report also identified a particular need for sites for travelling showpeople. These are measured in terms of plots, which has both residential and business uses and allows for the storage and repair of fairground equipment.

Gypsy and traveller sites are measured by in pitches - an area of land where a Gypsy or Traveller household can reside. Typically, this may have a building, parking space and one or more caravans, with sufficient space so that caravans up to 20 metres in length can be moved around.

These sites were all suggested for consideration by respondents to the DCCs initial list of potential sites.

You can see the full consultation leaflet here

Conygar Coppice, Okeford Fitzpaine 

This site, owned by Dorset County Council,  is already in use as an unauthorised traveller site. Formerly a landfill site, there are question marks over whether the site is suitable for residential use and how much it might cost to make it safe if not. It was first suggested as a potential site in 2004. If authorised, there would be 15 pitches for New Travellers.

 

Redundant Army Camp, Wyke Regis

Bournemouth Echo:

This former army camp would be used for six pitches for Romany Gypsy or Irish Travellers.

This is a privately-owned former army camp on a sloping site with areas of open land interspersed with various low quality buildings, roadways and hard standings. The northern boundary adjoins the western edge of Wyke Regis.

Access is good although the council says some junction adjustments will be required at Camp Road/Mandeville Road. Some buildings would need to be demolished and landscaping would be required. 

 

 

Former Guard House, Piddlehinton

Bournemouth Echo:

Picture by Mike Smith, licensed with Creative Commons

Piddlehinton already has a temporary traveller camp which is being considered for permanent permission (see below), but this site, between the industrial estate and the B3143, is being considered for seven pitches for Romany gypsies or travelling showpeople. However the sloping nature means it might not be suitable for Travelling Showpeople. 

 

Land at Piddlehinton Industrial Estate, Piddlehinton

Bournemouth Echo:

This site already has temporary permission for 25 pitches as a summer transit site but is being considered appropriate for limited permanent development. It would have six pitches for Romany Gypsy, Irish Traveller or Travelling Showpeople, but works to make a suitable entrance  may make the site unviable. 

 

Old Chapel Yard, Marshwood 

This is already used by Travelling Showpeople to store equipment, despite being in AONB next to a Grade 2 listed building. It is being considered for one plot for residential Travelling Showpeople use.

 

By the Ford, Sandford Orcas

This is an existing traveller site comprising a residential log style static caravan, outbuildings and pasture land, close to the village of Sandford Orcas. The council does not intend to increase the number of travellers here, but legitimise the existing occupant, who already has temporary planning permission.

 

Former highway north of B Road, West of West Stafford

This is a County Council owned site which they believe could house two traveller pitches. It's a former road which is already home to a group of caravans. 

 

Land at Wigbeth Farm, Horton

The first of two Green Belt sites on the list, the council says it would restrict use to the summer months but suggests it would be suitable for 12 pitches for gypsies and travellers. The private-owned field, which has been put forward by the landowner, is next to a woodland Site of Nature Conservation Interest but council officers says this could be "managed by good site design". Access to local sevrices and bus routes is described as not good.

 

Land at Crumpets Drive


Being considered for one pitch for Gypsies and Travellers, this green belt site is among a clump of mature trees. But access is considered "sub-standard" and it could be expensive to buy the land needed to improve it.

 

 

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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12:47pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?
Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 36

1:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Argie Bhagie says...

Are thses sites in poor areas, chavvy neighbourhoods - and nicely away from the rich, overpriviledged?
Are thses sites in poor areas, chavvy neighbourhoods - and nicely away from the rich, overpriviledged? Argie Bhagie
  • Score: 5

1:08pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

The land fill site sounds good to me, they should feel right at home there.
The land fill site sounds good to me, they should feel right at home there. Hessenford
  • Score: 50

1:28pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Alison12 says...

Wasn't there a travellers site near Wigbeth previously which had toilets and showers built which were then completely vandalised?
Wasn't there a travellers site near Wigbeth previously which had toilets and showers built which were then completely vandalised? Alison12
  • Score: 23

1:59pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

How about HMP Portland?
How about HMP Portland? Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 35

2:04pm Thu 17 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

What ever site is picked it won't be good enough for them.
Their excuses will be it's in the wrong place or we don't want to live on top of an old landfill site of its too far from the shops or were too isolated or we don't like the colour of the shower and the toilets or nobody wants their drives done or trees cut down around here.
What ever site is picked it won't be good enough for them. Their excuses will be it's in the wrong place or we don't want to live on top of an old landfill site of its too far from the shops or were too isolated or we don't like the colour of the shower and the toilets or nobody wants their drives done or trees cut down around here. burgerboy
  • Score: 36

2:04pm Thu 17 Jul 14

BoscVegas says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?
you can call them Gypsies if they are Romanis but Travellers are typically Irish. If you get it wrong you will be arrested.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?[/p][/quote]you can call them Gypsies if they are Romanis but Travellers are typically Irish. If you get it wrong you will be arrested. BoscVegas
  • Score: 12

2:07pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bob49 says...

"Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise."

but that is what the council and police are doing, taking a 'generalised' view that anyone in a caravan is a 'traveller'

so could the Daily Echo please ask the council, on our behalf what means of verification do the council use to determine who is a traveller and who is just a ....................
.......... ?

this goes to the core of the matter, as the onus should be on bona fida travellers to prove they are travellers, and NOT on the council to prove they are not

until such proof is checked and verfified then the privilges accorded to travellers cannot be claimed ie they will have to leave the land just as other non travellers have to

why will the council not tell us what checks are made ?

and why will the Daily Echo not ask the council what these checks are ?
"Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise." but that is what the council and police are doing, taking a 'generalised' view that anyone in a caravan is a 'traveller' so could the Daily Echo please ask the council, on our behalf what means of verification do the council use to determine who is a traveller and who is just a .................... .......... ? this goes to the core of the matter, as the onus should be on bona fida travellers to prove they are travellers, and NOT on the council to prove they are not until such proof is checked and verfified then the privilges accorded to travellers cannot be claimed ie they will have to leave the land just as other non travellers have to why will the council not tell us what checks are made ? and why will the Daily Echo not ask the council what these checks are ? Bob49
  • Score: 25

2:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it! muscliffman
  • Score: 42

2:35pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from. Hessenford
  • Score: 31

2:39pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Nigel Blumenthal says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?
Of course they exist. The Echo uses the term twice in the article, first in the headline and then in the first paragraph, so don't tell me that we can't refer to them in comments.

The Echo also quotes that "Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups..." I can understand that Romany Gypsies may be recognised as an ethnic group, because that refers to their ancestry, but surely Irish Travellers are a lifestyle choice, and cannot have anything to do with ethnicity. You can become a traveller if you want; one cannot simply adopt an ethnicity.

Can anyone point to the place where these provisions are set up, and to the place in law where they are defined? What was the case law that identified Irish Travellers as an ethnic group?
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?[/p][/quote]Of course they exist. The Echo uses the term twice in the article, first in the headline and then in the first paragraph, so don't tell me that we can't refer to them in comments. The Echo also quotes that "Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups..." I can understand that Romany Gypsies may be recognised as an ethnic group, because that refers to their ancestry, but surely Irish Travellers are a lifestyle choice, and cannot have anything to do with ethnicity. You can become a traveller if you want; one cannot simply adopt an ethnicity. Can anyone point to the place where these provisions are set up, and to the place in law where they are defined? What was the case law that identified Irish Travellers as an ethnic group? Nigel Blumenthal
  • Score: 16

2:54pm Thu 17 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Hessenford wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from.
Well yes........except as I am sure 'Bob49' will be very quick to remind you (!) the 'ethnic traveller' recognition rules here in the UK were created by a UK Judge over twenty years ago and form part of our domestic law. These rules are now well supported by some EU 'rights' legislation but they did not originate from Brussels - hence the Irish position being the exact opposite of our own.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from.[/p][/quote]Well yes........except as I am sure 'Bob49' will be very quick to remind you (!) the 'ethnic traveller' recognition rules here in the UK were created by a UK Judge over twenty years ago and form part of our domestic law. These rules are now well supported by some EU 'rights' legislation but they did not originate from Brussels - hence the Irish position being the exact opposite of our own. muscliffman
  • Score: 12

3:51pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2695839/Gypsies-driv
en-Belgian-town-DJ-p
laying-Dire-Straits-
blast.html

Here's how to deal with them.
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2695839/Gypsies-driv en-Belgian-town-DJ-p laying-Dire-Straits- blast.html Here's how to deal with them. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 8

4:13pm Thu 17 Jul 14

eyesropen says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
The point of having them is that travellers camping illegally can then be immediately moved on by the police instead of having to go through a long eviction process as is currently the case here.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]The point of having them is that travellers camping illegally can then be immediately moved on by the police instead of having to go through a long eviction process as is currently the case here. eyesropen
  • Score: -2

4:14pm Thu 17 Jul 14

eyesropen says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?
It doesn't say that anywhere...
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?[/p][/quote]It doesn't say that anywhere... eyesropen
  • Score: 3

5:12pm Thu 17 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

the irish caravan club will go wherever they like. spending our money on special sites wont change anything. they want the nice spots and they will have them.
the irish caravan club will go wherever they like. spending our money on special sites wont change anything. they want the nice spots and they will have them. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: 6

5:37pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Wackerone says...

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๐Ÿ˜ด๐Ÿ˜ต๐Ÿ˜ฒ Wackerone
  • Score: 2

5:40pm Thu 17 Jul 14

nadiadorset says...

I live within a short distance of one of these sites and the existing travellers are no problem at all. In fact you wouldn't know they were there. As a resident I have not been consulted by DCC, and the area does not have an infrastructure to meet the needs of local residents including older people, never mind the additional pitches. I also think that Bournemouth Council needs to work harder to accommodate people in that area and not pass the problem on to other councils.
I live within a short distance of one of these sites and the existing travellers are no problem at all. In fact you wouldn't know they were there. As a resident I have not been consulted by DCC, and the area does not have an infrastructure to meet the needs of local residents including older people, never mind the additional pitches. I also think that Bournemouth Council needs to work harder to accommodate people in that area and not pass the problem on to other councils. nadiadorset
  • Score: -6

6:00pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Townee says...

Perhaps if they offered to pay to use a site then it might help but they don't . They are here to get a free ride from us tax payers. This has to stop and the soon we leave to EU the better and we can make our own laws that suit us and not the unelected.
Perhaps if they offered to pay to use a site then it might help but they don't . They are here to get a free ride from us tax payers. This has to stop and the soon we leave to EU the better and we can make our own laws that suit us and not the unelected. Townee
  • Score: 12

6:02pm Thu 17 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

eyesropen wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
The point of having them is that travellers camping illegally can then be immediately moved on by the police instead of having to go through a long eviction process as is currently the case here.
I regret that this is exactly the sort of unworldly and unrealistic modern liberal thinking thats gets us all into these messes - and presumably you will also be happy to have a 'traveller' site immediately adjacent to your own home?

Do you seriously think these 'travellers' would use the special sites - especially as they will only cater for a small handful of vans? In fact one of the traveller's 'spokespeople' has already confirmed that locally they wouldn't.

It's time to stop messing about!
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]The point of having them is that travellers camping illegally can then be immediately moved on by the police instead of having to go through a long eviction process as is currently the case here.[/p][/quote]I regret that this is exactly the sort of unworldly and unrealistic modern liberal thinking thats gets us all into these messes - and presumably you will also be happy to have a 'traveller' site immediately adjacent to your own home? Do you seriously think these 'travellers' would use the special sites - especially as they will only cater for a small handful of vans? In fact one of the traveller's 'spokespeople' has already confirmed that locally they wouldn't. It's time to stop messing about! muscliffman
  • Score: 12

6:04pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
and that explains why little is ever done, as ill informed drivel like the above is constantly spewed, almost you could think, with the intent of stopping reasoned debate and action against this annual nuiscance

maybe, just maybe if the cranks and crackpots that make up the "political correctness gone made " brigade got their head out of the Daily Mail long enough to read what and WHEN that actual ruling was made and who by - then we might just start to see some pressure put upon our politicians and councillors

until then, the usual loons will continue to provide a very convenient smokescreeen
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]and that explains why little is ever done, as ill informed drivel like the above is constantly spewed, almost you could think, with the intent of stopping reasoned debate and action against this annual nuiscance maybe, just maybe if the cranks and crackpots that make up the "political correctness gone made " brigade got their head out of the Daily Mail long enough to read what and WHEN that actual ruling was made and who by - then we might just start to see some pressure put upon our politicians and councillors until then, the usual loons will continue to provide a very convenient smokescreeen Bob49
  • Score: -11

7:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

BoscVegas wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?
you can call them Gypsies if they are Romanis but Travellers are typically Irish. If you get it wrong you will be arrested.
Unless of course you are a traveller .who are immune from.the law
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Why are we not allowed to refer to Gypsies? Do they not exist?[/p][/quote]you can call them Gypsies if they are Romanis but Travellers are typically Irish. If you get it wrong you will be arrested.[/p][/quote]Unless of course you are a traveller .who are immune from.the law kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 4

8:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

joetheman says...

why is boscombe precinct not on the list,
why is boscombe precinct not on the list, joetheman
  • Score: 4

10:27pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Bob49 wrote:
"Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise."

but that is what the council and police are doing, taking a 'generalised' view that anyone in a caravan is a 'traveller'

so could the Daily Echo please ask the council, on our behalf what means of verification do the council use to determine who is a traveller and who is just a ....................

.......... ?

this goes to the core of the matter, as the onus should be on bona fida travellers to prove they are travellers, and NOT on the council to prove they are not

until such proof is checked and verfified then the privilges accorded to travellers cannot be claimed ie they will have to leave the land just as other non travellers have to

why will the council not tell us what checks are made ?

and why will the Daily Echo not ask the council what these checks are ?
Why don't YOU ask them?
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise." but that is what the council and police are doing, taking a 'generalised' view that anyone in a caravan is a 'traveller' so could the Daily Echo please ask the council, on our behalf what means of verification do the council use to determine who is a traveller and who is just a .................... .......... ? this goes to the core of the matter, as the onus should be on bona fida travellers to prove they are travellers, and NOT on the council to prove they are not until such proof is checked and verfified then the privilges accorded to travellers cannot be claimed ie they will have to leave the land just as other non travellers have to why will the council not tell us what checks are made ? and why will the Daily Echo not ask the council what these checks are ?[/p][/quote]Why don't YOU ask them? Baysider
  • Score: -2

11:06pm Thu 17 Jul 14

yet_another_one says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
Nothing to do with travellers but would this Judge be the one who attempted to influence the establishment not to carry out accusations or proceedings against Cyril Smith on sex with young boys ?
Whoever is responsible in Parliament &/or the judiciary should pay a very high price for their actions & deeds - the establishment is rife by protection to other freemasons & membership of that organisation should be banned as Thatcher tried to ban employees of GCHQ from being members of a trade union.
What goes around comes around !!!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]Nothing to do with travellers but would this Judge be the one who attempted to influence the establishment not to carry out accusations or proceedings against Cyril Smith on sex with young boys ? Whoever is responsible in Parliament &/or the judiciary should pay a very high price for their actions & deeds - the establishment is rife by protection to other freemasons & membership of that organisation should be banned as Thatcher tried to ban employees of GCHQ from being members of a trade union. What goes around comes around !!! yet_another_one
  • Score: 1

6:32am Fri 18 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Hessenford wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none!

For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it!
A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from.
Ireland is in the EU but does not have these stupid rules! This and other "EU related" problems are in reality 100% down to UK negative IQ jobsworths
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why should there be any 'traveller' sites anywhere in the UK - The Irish Republic have none! For goodness sake let common sense and decent popular public opinion prevail and let's rid ourselves of the ridiculous 'ethnic traveller' laws, imposed upon the UK by some liberal lefty judge twenty-five years ago - probably when nobody was looking. And like so many things there appears to be no point thinking the LibLabCons will do anything about it![/p][/quote]A good start would be to leave Europe, that's where all these stupid laws and ideas come from.[/p][/quote]Ireland is in the EU but does not have these stupid rules! This and other "EU related" problems are in reality 100% down to UK negative IQ jobsworths fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

9:40am Fri 18 Jul 14

inteligentlady2 says...

If Traveller and Gypsy sites are provided, what would be the difference between these people and others (not all) who currently claim council accomodation who frequently cause damage/vandalism and live off of the Welfare state? (I am by no means saying this is ok, but I don't think it should be ok for one community and not the other).

Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay.

However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites.
If Traveller and Gypsy sites are provided, what would be the difference between these people and others (not all) who currently claim council accomodation who frequently cause damage/vandalism and live off of the Welfare state? (I am by no means saying this is ok, but I don't think it should be ok for one community and not the other). Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay. However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites. inteligentlady2
  • Score: 4

2:12pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Nigel Blumenthal says...

inteligentlady2 wrote:
If Traveller and Gypsy sites are provided, what would be the difference between these people and others (not all) who currently claim council accomodation who frequently cause damage/vandalism and live off of the Welfare state? (I am by no means saying this is ok, but I don't think it should be ok for one community and not the other).

Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay.

However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites.
inteligentlady2 wrote:
...Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay. However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites.

Maybe the Government could extend the Bedroom Tax to this group of claimants. If their caravan is too big for the family, don't allow them to park it at an authorised site. And have councils evict people who are in property that is unsuitable for them.
[quote][p][bold]inteligentlady2[/bold] wrote: If Traveller and Gypsy sites are provided, what would be the difference between these people and others (not all) who currently claim council accomodation who frequently cause damage/vandalism and live off of the Welfare state? (I am by no means saying this is ok, but I don't think it should be ok for one community and not the other). Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay. However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites.[/p][/quote]inteligentlady2 wrote: ...Surely it is better to provide these areas, whereby the people living within these sites must follow rules in order to stay. However, this will only work if the sites were provided, along with laws which enable our Police service to immediately evict on sites that have not been authorised, and those who break the rules of the authorised sites. Maybe the Government could extend the Bedroom Tax to this group of claimants. If their caravan is too big for the family, don't allow them to park it at an authorised site. And have councils evict people who are in property that is unsuitable for them. Nigel Blumenthal
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9:26pm Fri 18 Jul 14

i have heard it all now says...

3 miles south of Portland Bill would be a good pitch.
3 miles south of Portland Bill would be a good pitch. i have heard it all now
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8:46pm Mon 21 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Perhaps the gardens of the councillors who voted against having anything available in Poole could be obtained by compulsory purchase. They created the problem, they should solve it.
Perhaps the gardens of the councillors who voted against having anything available in Poole could be obtained by compulsory purchase. They created the problem, they should solve it. ashleycross
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