£60k – how much Poole council’s spent on NOT hiring new chief executive

£60k – how much Poole council’s spent on NOT hiring new chief executive

£60k – how much Poole council’s spent on NOT hiring new chief executive

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ALMOST £60,000 has been spent by Borough of Poole on not hiring a new chief executive.

The council has revealed spending tens of thousands, including £14,000 on external consultants and advisers, through two rounds of recruitment – but it has still failed to hire anyone for the £135k role.

A breakdown reveals costs include £6,000 on consultants, £8,625 on external advisers, £3,473 on psychometric testing, £443 on refreshments for three working lunches, £326 on accommodation and £3,173 on interviewee expenses. Advertising was £20,930 and internal HR costs amounted to £10,400.

Opposition councillor Phil Eades, who put the question of recruitment spending to the council, said it seemed to have been a process of “enormous length” and some of the sums of money were “quite incredible.”

He added that he felt there had been some good candidates, but the panel had had failed to agree. “We are offering a substantial salary to work in one of the most beautiful parts of the country,” he added. “But that the ruling group felt there were no candidates of a high enough calibre is quite disappointing.

“I’m amazed the panel couldn’t make a decision and quite honestly I don’t know where that leaves us. We’ve wasted £60,000 of tax payers’ money in the process – that’s the frustrating part of it.”

Borough of Poole leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson says it is “frustrating” not to have made an appointment, but added: “I am sure the time and resource we have invested so far will pay dividends when we seek to resume the recruitment process.”

The borough has decided to defer recruitment for nearly 18 months. It will continue the interim arrangement adopted when previous chief executive John McBride retired at the end of March.

Strategic director Andrew Flockhart will remain interim chief executive and head of paid service and Jan Thurgood will act as deputy and assume chief executive responsibilities for adult social care, children’s services, housing and community safety until November 30 2015 – well after the May election which may resolve the hung parliament.

Cllr Atkinson said: “Councillors are firmly committed to recruiting a chief executive who can take forward the council’s ambitious programme for Poole.

“The costs associated with recruiting to a post of this strategic importance are not inconsiderable. However, it is vital that councillors make the right decision as the costs of appointing the wrong person are potentially far-reaching for the long-term future of the council and Poole.”

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7:12am Fri 4 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at. BIGTONE
  • Score: 23

7:20am Fri 4 Jul 14

Baysider says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at.[/p][/quote]This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either... Baysider
  • Score: 11

7:33am Fri 4 Jul 14

Arrowsmith voice says...

Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person...
Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person... Arrowsmith voice
  • Score: 5

8:02am Fri 4 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Is it any wonder that today's councils have no money for essential services or front line employees.
Is it any wonder that today's councils have no money for essential services or front line employees. Hessenford
  • Score: 25

8:04am Fri 4 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...
Agreed, but they prefer to sit back, complain and be wise after the event!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at.[/p][/quote]This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...[/p][/quote]Agreed, but they prefer to sit back, complain and be wise after the event! tbpoole
  • Score: 1

8:06am Fri 4 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Arrowsmith voice wrote:
Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person...
Haaaaaa....brilliant
,
Thumbs up for that one.
[quote][p][bold]Arrowsmith voice[/bold] wrote: Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person...[/p][/quote]Haaaaaa....brilliant , Thumbs up for that one. BIGTONE
  • Score: 7

8:17am Fri 4 Jul 14

Tripod says...

If Poole pay me £50,000 to Not do the job, I'll guarantee to save them £10,000 a year, Deal?
If Poole pay me £50,000 to Not do the job, I'll guarantee to save them £10,000 a year, Deal? Tripod
  • Score: 11

8:32am Fri 4 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...
The difference being is that councils use our money of which they constantly complain of having none, private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at.[/p][/quote]This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...[/p][/quote]The difference being is that councils use our money of which they constantly complain of having none, private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit. Hessenford
  • Score: 15

8:33am Fri 4 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 29

8:52am Fri 4 Jul 14

RM says...

So who actually interviews the applicants and says yea or nay? These overpaid consultants? Council staff? Councillors? Let's have some names & some accountability. £400+ for 3 working lunches? I agree with Marty Caine if they've survived this long without a replacement they don't need one.
So who actually interviews the applicants and says yea or nay? These overpaid consultants? Council staff? Councillors? Let's have some names & some accountability. £400+ for 3 working lunches? I agree with Marty Caine if they've survived this long without a replacement they don't need one. RM
  • Score: 22

9:10am Fri 4 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

I'm surprised they didn't do what they did in a dept years ago.
The head of a dept 'retired' suddenly at an early age.
The acting head applied for the role of head but the council could not make a decision so appointed no-one whilst the acting head continued.
The council advertised the job for a second time and lo and behold the acting head having applied again got it!
About 10 years ago.
You couldn't make it up.
I'm surprised they didn't do what they did in a dept years ago. The head of a dept 'retired' suddenly at an early age. The acting head applied for the role of head but the council could not make a decision so appointed no-one whilst the acting head continued. The council advertised the job for a second time and lo and behold the acting head having applied again got it! About 10 years ago. You couldn't make it up. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 7

10:18am Fri 4 Jul 14

Gonetothebeach says...

Perhaps the real question to ask is what put off outstanding experienced candidates or potential high flyers from applying in the first place?

Is it something to do with working with this particular group of politicians? Is it a poverty of ambition and strategic vision within the council? Is it a fear over the future viability of such a small unitary authority? Is it the proximity of the 2015 local and general elections?
Perhaps the real question to ask is what put off outstanding experienced candidates or potential high flyers from applying in the first place? Is it something to do with working with this particular group of politicians? Is it a poverty of ambition and strategic vision within the council? Is it a fear over the future viability of such a small unitary authority? Is it the proximity of the 2015 local and general elections? Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 4

11:07am Fri 4 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

The burning question is, If the council can survive this long without a CEO is the role actually required ? With so many public sector managers being made redundant its difficult to understand why the search has been unsuccessful - is it that quality of the candidates or is the selection process itself flawed ?
The burning question is, If the council can survive this long without a CEO is the role actually required ? With so many public sector managers being made redundant its difficult to understand why the search has been unsuccessful - is it that quality of the candidates or is the selection process itself flawed ? BmthNewshound
  • Score: 6

11:11am Fri 4 Jul 14

Linkrider says...

The salary may not seem high compared with (some of) those in the private sector, but remember, local government invents nothing, makes nothing, sells nothing, etc. These jobs are just administrative, spending the money which taxpayers, nationally and locally have no choice but to pay.
The salary may not seem high compared with (some of) those in the private sector, but remember, local government invents nothing, makes nothing, sells nothing, etc. These jobs are just administrative, spending the money which taxpayers, nationally and locally have no choice but to pay. Linkrider
  • Score: 2

12:13pm Fri 4 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Arrowsmith voice wrote:
Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person...
Imagine? We're living in the results both in Poole and Bournemouth!
[quote][p][bold]Arrowsmith voice[/bold] wrote: Imagine the cost of hiring the wrong person...[/p][/quote]Imagine? We're living in the results both in Poole and Bournemouth! speedy231278
  • Score: 5

12:21pm Fri 4 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Just an old fashioned thought.

How about adjusting all senior Council post salaries dramatically downward and thus attracting only capable people with a sense of genuine public service vocation rather than those just in it for the huge risk free salaries and the over generous perks, pay-offs and pensions?

It used to work - very well in fact.
Just an old fashioned thought. How about adjusting all senior Council post salaries dramatically downward and thus attracting only capable people with a sense of genuine public service vocation rather than those just in it for the huge risk free salaries and the over generous perks, pay-offs and pensions? It used to work - very well in fact. muscliffman
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
You hit it on the head there Marty.
PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.).
The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to .
Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems.
God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers,
Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]You hit it on the head there Marty. PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.). The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to . Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems. God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers, Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?. cromwell9
  • Score: -6

12:57pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Mindvor says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
You hit it on the head there Marty.
PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.).
The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to .
Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems.
God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers,
Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.
Find out yourself and submit an FoIA request?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]You hit it on the head there Marty. PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.). The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to . Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems. God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers, Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.[/p][/quote]Find out yourself and submit an FoIA request? Mindvor
  • Score: 4

1:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

adspacebroker says...

........for the final task of the interview process we were all lined up in the council chamber with a pile of Jaffa cakes in front of us. We were told that the person who can eat them all the quickest would get the job. Sadly the leader of the council happened to be walking by as we were about to start, you can guess the rest....so nobody got the job!
........for the final task of the interview process we were all lined up in the council chamber with a pile of Jaffa cakes in front of us. We were told that the person who can eat them all the quickest would get the job. Sadly the leader of the council happened to be walking by as we were about to start, you can guess the rest....so nobody got the job! adspacebroker
  • Score: -2

2:06pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
You hit it on the head there Marty.
PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.).
The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to .
Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems.
God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers,
Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.
Poole Borough Council is still the largest employer in the area, they employed 3,977 full time equivalent staff for 2009/2010 and employed 4,008 full time equivalent staff for 2010/2011. They did have about 30 compulsory redundancies 2011/12 as I recall but without going down the road of FYI I don't know what the latest figures are.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]You hit it on the head there Marty. PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.). The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to . Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems. God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers, Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.[/p][/quote]Poole Borough Council is still the largest employer in the area, they employed 3,977 full time equivalent staff for 2009/2010 and employed 4,008 full time equivalent staff for 2010/2011. They did have about 30 compulsory redundancies 2011/12 as I recall but without going down the road of FYI I don't know what the latest figures are. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -2

2:58pm Fri 4 Jul 14

TalkToTheTrees says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine. TalkToTheTrees
  • Score: 13

4:24pm Fri 4 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Mindvor wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
You hit it on the head there Marty.
PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.).
The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to .
Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems.
God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers,
Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.
Find out yourself and submit an FoIA request?
The general Public should not have to put in a request.
We the Tax payers who pay for the Public Secter should be able to know where every penny is spent ,at a click of a button.I am aware that any exspenditure over £500 has to be declared etc,
This is the UK not the old USSR,
[quote][p][bold]Mindvor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]You hit it on the head there Marty. PBC. mad £2 million profit in the last 12 months (With NO Council tax increase.). The mind boggles how much Councils could save ,iff they wanted to . Dorset County Council have over 10,000 employees on their books,All of them Lib Dems. God if Labour/ Lib Dems ever get back in power.They will have a field day with the Council Tax Payers, Marty How many Council Emploees have PBC have on their Books .And how many have they made redundant ,over the last 4 years,?.[/p][/quote]Find out yourself and submit an FoIA request?[/p][/quote]The general Public should not have to put in a request. We the Tax payers who pay for the Public Secter should be able to know where every penny is spent ,at a click of a button.I am aware that any exspenditure over £500 has to be declared etc, This is the UK not the old USSR, cromwell9
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Fri 4 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
Thankyou Marty,
Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11.
So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council.
Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter.
Thats okay then.
[quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]Thankyou Marty, Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11. So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council. Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter. Thats okay then. cromwell9
  • Score: -10

6:34pm Fri 4 Jul 14

steveatbournemouth says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
I would suggest Cllr Eades is put on the panel to see how difficult this process can be. Very easy in opposition isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at.[/p][/quote]I would suggest Cllr Eades is put on the panel to see how difficult this process can be. Very easy in opposition isn't it? steveatbournemouth
  • Score: 1

7:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

TalkToTheTrees says...

cromwell9 wrote:
TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
Thankyou Marty,
Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11.
So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council.
Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter.
Thats okay then.
A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures.

But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]Thankyou Marty, Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11. So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council. Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter. Thats okay then.[/p][/quote]A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures. But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy? TalkToTheTrees
  • Score: 13

7:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

satfinder says...

Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers
Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers satfinder
  • Score: -7

7:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Baysider says...

satfinder wrote:
Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers
Interesting perspective. The panel in charge felt that no one was up to the job and somehow this makes them incompetent rather than careful not to appoint the wrong person just to have 'someone' in post. Brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]satfinder[/bold] wrote: Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers[/p][/quote]Interesting perspective. The panel in charge felt that no one was up to the job and somehow this makes them incompetent rather than careful not to appoint the wrong person just to have 'someone' in post. Brilliant. Baysider
  • Score: 18

8:20pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Baysider says...

TalkToTheTrees wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
Thankyou Marty,
Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11.
So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council.
Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter.
Thats okay then.
A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures.

But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy?
It also ignores the fact that some external government functions have been transferred into local authority control during the same period. Responsibility for public health issues for example.
[quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]Thankyou Marty, Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11. So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council. Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter. Thats okay then.[/p][/quote]A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures. But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy?[/p][/quote]It also ignores the fact that some external government functions have been transferred into local authority control during the same period. Responsibility for public health issues for example. Baysider
  • Score: 15

10:30pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Gonetothebeach says...

satfinder wrote:
Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers
These are detailed questionnaires quite commonly used as part of the recruitment process for senior posts in private and public sectors that candidates will complete online with the results then interpreted by a qualified person, usually a psychologist. This will then be followed up by a telephone interview with the psychologist probing any particular areas of interest relevant to the post being applied for/the individual's and the organisation's working styles and values etc, and a report prepared for the organisation which will help pinpoint questions to be asked at interview. I would expect this to be done with short listed candidates. Having gone through this several times as a candidate I assure you that it can be pretty penetrating stuff that genuinely shows up weaknesses, strengths, attributes! Definitely worthwhile for a post which requires someone to lead a workforce numbering thousands but also maintain positive working relationships with elected representatives.
[quote][p][bold]satfinder[/bold] wrote: Can anyone explain the £3,473 on psychometric testing what is this and was it on the candidates or the incompetent panel of interviewers[/p][/quote]These are detailed questionnaires quite commonly used as part of the recruitment process for senior posts in private and public sectors that candidates will complete online with the results then interpreted by a qualified person, usually a psychologist. This will then be followed up by a telephone interview with the psychologist probing any particular areas of interest relevant to the post being applied for/the individual's and the organisation's working styles and values etc, and a report prepared for the organisation which will help pinpoint questions to be asked at interview. I would expect this to be done with short listed candidates. Having gone through this several times as a candidate I assure you that it can be pretty penetrating stuff that genuinely shows up weaknesses, strengths, attributes! Definitely worthwhile for a post which requires someone to lead a workforce numbering thousands but also maintain positive working relationships with elected representatives. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 4

11:14pm Fri 4 Jul 14

podgie says...

I went for a job once with them..
I have never come across such a bunch of freemasonry,corrupt,
jobs for the family ,in bred tossers in all my life .
The person interviewing me as head of the department had no qualification ,experience,or professionalism.
I lost the will to live and decided I would prefer to be self employed than have anything to do with these corrupt ****.
I went for a job once with them.. I have never come across such a bunch of freemasonry,corrupt, jobs for the family ,in bred tossers in all my life . The person interviewing me as head of the department had no qualification ,experience,or professionalism. I lost the will to live and decided I would prefer to be self employed than have anything to do with these corrupt ****. podgie
  • Score: -5

8:25am Sat 5 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

podgie wrote:
I went for a job once with them..
I have never come across such a bunch of freemasonry,corrupt,

jobs for the family ,in bred tossers in all my life .
The person interviewing me as head of the department had no qualification ,experience,or professionalism.
I lost the will to live and decided I would prefer to be self employed than have anything to do with these corrupt ****.
Shame you didn't get the job, you sound as though you are perfectly qualified.
[quote][p][bold]podgie[/bold] wrote: I went for a job once with them.. I have never come across such a bunch of freemasonry,corrupt, jobs for the family ,in bred tossers in all my life . The person interviewing me as head of the department had no qualification ,experience,or professionalism. I lost the will to live and decided I would prefer to be self employed than have anything to do with these corrupt ****.[/p][/quote]Shame you didn't get the job, you sound as though you are perfectly qualified. tbpoole
  • Score: -1

8:29am Sat 5 Jul 14

tbpoole says...

Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use?
This needs looking at.
This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...
The difference being is that councils use our money of which they constantly complain of having none, private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit.
'Private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit'....that makes it ok then!

Why don't you apply for the job, you obviously know everything.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Who are these consultants and advisors and who sanctions their use? This needs looking at.[/p][/quote]This is peanuts compared to what would be spent recruiting a new Chief Exec in the private sector. Disappointing not to find anyone good enough I'm sure but no point going with the best of the rest for the sake of it is there? Personally, they should have just asked on here as we have dozens of posters who know everthing there is to know about any and all chosen subjects and never make a mistake either...[/p][/quote]The difference being is that councils use our money of which they constantly complain of having none, private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit.[/p][/quote]'Private companies use their own money which is theirs to waste as they see fit'....that makes it ok then! Why don't you apply for the job, you obviously know everything. tbpoole
  • Score: 2

11:16am Sat 5 Jul 14

Rasta dude says...

Trust me they will get all that back with next years council tax and what is interview expenses where was it disney land
Trust me they will get all that back with next years council tax and what is interview expenses where was it disney land Rasta dude
  • Score: -4

12:06pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
And what taxpayers money does UKIP actually get then? UKIP is funded by membership fees and donations, MEP's are paid for by the EU so really UKIP are just getting back some of the money our government has already given away. Maybe you are referring to the many UKIP councillors which happen to have the best attendance records in the country.
[quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]And what taxpayers money does UKIP actually get then? UKIP is funded by membership fees and donations, MEP's are paid for by the EU so really UKIP are just getting back some of the money our government has already given away. Maybe you are referring to the many UKIP councillors which happen to have the best attendance records in the country. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -6

12:15pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

TalkToTheTrees wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
Thankyou Marty,
Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11.
So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council.
Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter.
Thats okay then.
A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures.

But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy?
I was asked a question and I gave an honest response of what I knew and admitted I did not know the latest figures. How is that letting the truth get in the way of a good argument exactly. It does amuse me how personal attacks are used against UKIP especially Nigel Farage because people cannot attack his common sense arguments about what is actually wrong with this country. If you are happy with the politics of today then don't vote UKIP, it's not exactly rocket science is it.
[quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]Thankyou Marty, Sounds like a bit like cloak and Dagger to me.Over 4,000 employees.up by 8% on 2010/11. So the Public Secter is increasing in Poole Bourough Council. Thats why I observed 4 trucks+10 men on the wholes Bay road back in April/May picking up litter. Thats okay then.[/p][/quote]A simple search online shows Borough of Poole (FTE) employees for 2012/2013 were 3,388 and for 2013/2014 were 3,239. That's a 19% decrease on Mr Caine's figures. But, of course Ukip won't let the truth get in the way of a good argument. I wonder if any of those employees were the wives and mistresses of staff; or maybe that's just Mr Farage's recruitment policy?[/p][/quote]I was asked a question and I gave an honest response of what I knew and admitted I did not know the latest figures. How is that letting the truth get in the way of a good argument exactly. It does amuse me how personal attacks are used against UKIP especially Nigel Farage because people cannot attack his common sense arguments about what is actually wrong with this country. If you are happy with the politics of today then don't vote UKIP, it's not exactly rocket science is it. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -6

8:34pm Sat 5 Jul 14

TalkToTheTrees says...

Oh, but we can attack his "common sense" arguments, if you so wish. As we're discussing local government let's look at the Ukip manifesto for the 2014 local elections, which displays the total lack of political maturity that the party has shown for years. That document talks of opposing 'cuts to front-line doctors, surgeons, dentists and nurses’ (pg 9), of stopping 'the scrapping of front-line police jobs’ (pg 10), of upgrading 'public transport' and increasing the 'provision of free parking' (pg 9), of ‘Fighting Fuel Poverty’ (front page), and at the same time reducing 'tax and business costs’ (pg 9) and making council tax 'as low as possible’ (pg 4). How will you pay for this? How will you deliver this? By cutting taxes? By reducing staff at local authorities? Mr Farage's "common sense" arguments are a contradictory blag; he is evasive and capitalises on the high levels of antipathy towards politics in the country at the moment. Whether you are happy or unhappy with the politics of today don't vote Ukip - they are not serious contenders.
Oh, but we can attack his "common sense" arguments, if you so wish. As we're discussing local government let's look at the Ukip manifesto for the 2014 local elections, which displays the total lack of political maturity that the party has shown for years. That document talks of opposing 'cuts to front-line doctors, surgeons, dentists and nurses’ (pg 9), of stopping 'the scrapping of front-line police jobs’ (pg 10), of upgrading 'public transport' and increasing the 'provision of free parking' (pg 9), of ‘Fighting Fuel Poverty’ (front page), and at the same time reducing 'tax and business costs’ (pg 9) and making council tax 'as low as possible’ (pg 4). How will you pay for this? How will you deliver this? By cutting taxes? By reducing staff at local authorities? Mr Farage's "common sense" arguments are a contradictory blag; he is evasive and capitalises on the high levels of antipathy towards politics in the country at the moment. Whether you are happy or unhappy with the politics of today don't vote Ukip - they are not serious contenders. TalkToTheTrees
  • Score: 9

9:37pm Sat 5 Jul 14

TalkToTheTrees says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
TalkToTheTrees wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.
Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.
And what taxpayers money does UKIP actually get then? UKIP is funded by membership fees and donations, MEP's are paid for by the EU so really UKIP are just getting back some of the money our government has already given away. Maybe you are referring to the many UKIP councillors which happen to have the best attendance records in the country.
Between their £79,000 salary, a general expenditure allowance of over £42,00 and a further daily allowance to cover hotel bills of £15,000, taxpayer-funded Ukip MEPs cash in on roughly £136,000 every year. These MEPs have turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU. The same MEPs have donated almost half a million pounds from their taxpayer-funded salaries to Ukip. In 2012, two Ukip MEPs were forced to repay more than £37,000 in taxpayer-funded expenses which they had used to fund UKIP party workers in the UK and which was considered 'illegal indirect party funding'.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If they can defer the recruitment of a chief exec for 18 months I would say that clearly shows they do not need one! So stop wasting £60k trying to find one and save the borough £135k + benefits + pension a year and put that taxpayers money to better use.[/p][/quote]Lectures from Ukip on wasting taxpayers money? You're on shaky ground there Mr Caine.[/p][/quote]And what taxpayers money does UKIP actually get then? UKIP is funded by membership fees and donations, MEP's are paid for by the EU so really UKIP are just getting back some of the money our government has already given away. Maybe you are referring to the many UKIP councillors which happen to have the best attendance records in the country.[/p][/quote]Between their £79,000 salary, a general expenditure allowance of over £42,00 and a further daily allowance to cover hotel bills of £15,000, taxpayer-funded Ukip MEPs cash in on roughly £136,000 every year. These MEPs have turned up for just 61.1 per cent of votes, putting them at the bottom of a league table of 76 parties from across the EU. The same MEPs have donated almost half a million pounds from their taxpayer-funded salaries to Ukip. In 2012, two Ukip MEPs were forced to repay more than £37,000 in taxpayer-funded expenses which they had used to fund UKIP party workers in the UK and which was considered 'illegal indirect party funding'. TalkToTheTrees
  • Score: 6

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