VIDEO: Travellers set-up camp at Hamworthy Park in Poole and Turlin Moor rec

VIDEO: Travellers set-up camp at Hamworthy Park in Poole and Turlin Moor rec

Travellers move on to Hamworthy Park

Travellers move on to Hamworthy Park

Travellers set-up camp at Hamworthy Park in Poole

Travellers set-up camp at Hamworthy Park in Poole

Travellers set-up camp at Hamworthy Park in Poole

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WORRIED residents living close to Hamworthy Park and Turlin Moor Recreation Ground say they were surprised at how easy travellers accessed both sites.

Eight caravans and one motorhome moved onto popular Hamworthy Park on Sunday evening, while an additional three caravans were driven onto the recreation ground at Turlin Moor, just over a mile away, close to the same time.

The travellers at Hamworthy Park are the same group that were evicted from Baiter Park, Poole, earlier in the weekend, after council officials secured a court order.

Meanwhile, it remains unclear if the Turlin Moor encampment is in any way connected to the travellers moved on from Hatchard's Field, Rossmore, on Saturday.

William Pettersson, who was walking at Hamworthy Park today, told the Daily Echo: “People have been coming to walk their dogs on that part of the field and have had to turn away. It has caused quite a stir. Nobody wants any trouble. It doesn't seem to have been too hard for them to get onto the site.”

Indeed, while the Echo was talking to neighbours, we witnessed a car drive along a footpath next to the car park and through where a post had been erected but was no longer there.

The car just drove over the grass to the unauthorised encampment in front of stunned witnesses.

Another resident, who asked not to be named, said he saw the vehicles takes the same route when they first filed onto the field on Sunday.

“There must have been a bollard or post removed from the car park,” he added. “They just all drove through in a line...there was nothing to stop them really.”

Meanwhile, at Turlin Moor, three caravans have been driven onto the car park yards from a children's play area.

Turlin Moor resident Norman Bailey said: “I'm not sure how they've got in, but last time they drove up the slope at the back of the car park.

“What the council did when they left is put all those bricks along the side of the field to stop them getting up the slope.
“But where the tractor has been coming in to cut the grass, the gate is either left open or only slightly bolted. In past year's travellers have actually broken the bolt on the gate to get in.”

Norman said every time the travellers leave the area, rubbish is left and the council have to come and clear it away.

“Last year there was a hell of a lot, there was about 25 caravans. What I noticed was it was mostly the travellers kids playing on the swings, the local kids stayed away,” he said.

Another neighbour said she'd be surprised if the travellers left the recreation ground before the bank holiday weekend.

“They know the timescales involved with legal procedures,” she said.

“They'll be no-one working at the council on bank holiday Monday, so they'll be there until at least next week, when the kids have broken up for half term.”

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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11:04pm Sun 18 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Don't worry......the Council are spending loads of money to bolster security at the vulnerable sites............wai
t..............this one isn't in the remit.

And...........


It will be next year before it's implemented.

Horse..........stabl
e...........bolted..
Don't worry......the Council are spending loads of money to bolster security at the vulnerable sites............wai t..............this one isn't in the remit. And........... It will be next year before it's implemented. Horse..........stabl e...........bolted.. BIGTONE
  • Score: 52

11:05pm Sun 18 May 14

BIGTONE says...

It is not yet known if they are connected with traveller groups who set up unauthorised camps at Hatchards Field, Rossmore, or Baiter Park.





Yes.....they will be........they have these clever things called mobile phones.....
It is not yet known if they are connected with traveller groups who set up unauthorised camps at Hatchards Field, Rossmore, or Baiter Park. Yes.....they will be........they have these clever things called mobile phones..... BIGTONE
  • Score: 52

11:20pm Sun 18 May 14

calamity carney says...

So does this mean hamworthy park will be sold off to a developer now? It seems to be policy to sell off assets to developers when "travellers" might descend!!!
So does this mean hamworthy park will be sold off to a developer now? It seems to be policy to sell off assets to developers when "travellers" might descend!!! calamity carney
  • Score: 10

11:20pm Sun 18 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

BIGTONE wrote:
It is not yet known if they are connected with traveller groups who set up unauthorised camps at Hatchards Field, Rossmore, or Baiter Park.





Yes.....they will be........they have these clever things called mobile phones.....
Deputy Leader of the Council (Cllr Mike Whites) ward also!

I heard the council are allowing some of the park to be used for residential courses. I guess the gypsy;s would have the right to feel discriminated against if they try and kick them off lol

Well at least the gypsy kids will have the best of all worlds, paddling pol, toilets, cafe, car park canoe lessons, duke of edinburgh awards
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: It is not yet known if they are connected with traveller groups who set up unauthorised camps at Hatchards Field, Rossmore, or Baiter Park. Yes.....they will be........they have these clever things called mobile phones.....[/p][/quote]Deputy Leader of the Council (Cllr Mike Whites) ward also! I heard the council are allowing some of the park to be used for residential courses. I guess the gypsy;s would have the right to feel discriminated against if they try and kick them off lol Well at least the gypsy kids will have the best of all worlds, paddling pol, toilets, cafe, car park canoe lessons, duke of edinburgh awards Getridofthetories
  • Score: 26

12:45am Mon 19 May 14

Arjay says...

Hopefully, now the new traveller season is in 'full swing' as it were, the relevant team at Poole Council will be on the ball, to ensure that the necessary legal procedures are put into motion TODAY (Monday). That should include a court hearing, and an eviction injunction which demands departure by Tuesday, at the latest.
If that doesn't happen, I think questions about the ability of those people assigned to this task may need to be urgently addressed?....
Replace them with qualified professionals who CAN deal with matters promptly, if necessary....
Hopefully, now the new traveller season is in 'full swing' as it were, the relevant team at Poole Council will be on the ball, to ensure that the necessary legal procedures are put into motion TODAY (Monday). That should include a court hearing, and an eviction injunction which demands departure by Tuesday, at the latest. If that doesn't happen, I think questions about the ability of those people assigned to this task may need to be urgently addressed?.... Replace them with qualified professionals who CAN deal with matters promptly, if necessary.... Arjay
  • Score: 55

1:42am Mon 19 May 14

mossy 1 says...

What a surprise!Shame that nobody in authority could predict such a problem would ever occur in this area.
What a surprise!Shame that nobody in authority could predict such a problem would ever occur in this area. mossy 1
  • Score: 36

3:53am Mon 19 May 14

RM says...

And the police & Council have done what exactly about this incursion? Oh it happened at the weekend so they did nothing....... Now there's a surprise. Necessary legal procedures by the Council to be done on Monday - are you serious? Before they can do anything to benefit the residents they'll need to do their welfare checks etc etc.
And the police & Council have done what exactly about this incursion? Oh it happened at the weekend so they did nothing....... Now there's a surprise. Necessary legal procedures by the Council to be done on Monday - are you serious? Before they can do anything to benefit the residents they'll need to do their welfare checks etc etc. RM
  • Score: 27

5:06am Mon 19 May 14

Mad Karew says...

They must have committed some criminal damage to get in (most likely cutting the padlock on the gate), so the Council can go to the courts immediately.

Incidentally, the rejected TSPs wouldn't have helped in this case as there are too many caravans.
They must have committed some criminal damage to get in (most likely cutting the padlock on the gate), so the Council can go to the courts immediately. Incidentally, the rejected TSPs wouldn't have helped in this case as there are too many caravans. Mad Karew
  • Score: 29

6:17am Mon 19 May 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Mad Karew wrote:
They must have committed some criminal damage to get in (most likely cutting the padlock on the gate), so the Council can go to the courts immediately.

Incidentally, the rejected TSPs wouldn't have helped in this case as there are too many caravans.
Any criminal damage would be absolutely seperate from the trespass and has no bearing whatsoever on the council's ability to move them on...............
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: They must have committed some criminal damage to get in (most likely cutting the padlock on the gate), so the Council can go to the courts immediately. Incidentally, the rejected TSPs wouldn't have helped in this case as there are too many caravans.[/p][/quote]Any criminal damage would be absolutely seperate from the trespass and has no bearing whatsoever on the council's ability to move them on............... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 8

6:36am Mon 19 May 14

fairandsquared says...

Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.
Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here. fairandsquared
  • Score: 5

6:40am Mon 19 May 14

BluebirdDorset says...

Arjay wrote:
Hopefully, now the new traveller season is in 'full swing' as it were, the relevant team at Poole Council will be on the ball, to ensure that the necessary legal procedures are put into motion TODAY (Monday). That should include a court hearing, and an eviction injunction which demands departure by Tuesday, at the latest.
If that doesn't happen, I think questions about the ability of those people assigned to this task may need to be urgently addressed?....
Replace them with qualified professionals who CAN deal with matters promptly, if necessary....
The horse has bolted now, poole council could do with being a little more proactive, everyone else saw this coming. All a joke without a punch line unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Arjay[/bold] wrote: Hopefully, now the new traveller season is in 'full swing' as it were, the relevant team at Poole Council will be on the ball, to ensure that the necessary legal procedures are put into motion TODAY (Monday). That should include a court hearing, and an eviction injunction which demands departure by Tuesday, at the latest. If that doesn't happen, I think questions about the ability of those people assigned to this task may need to be urgently addressed?.... Replace them with qualified professionals who CAN deal with matters promptly, if necessary....[/p][/quote]The horse has bolted now, poole council could do with being a little more proactive, everyone else saw this coming. All a joke without a punch line unfortunately. BluebirdDorset
  • Score: 18

6:40am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts Getridofthetories
  • Score: 15

6:50am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

The Council are promoting overnight sleeping in their activity facility on the Park

They were warned that this could lead to unauthorised encampments just last week, but were not interested

The question could be asked 'if its ok for them, then isnt it ok with us?'
The Council are promoting overnight sleeping in their activity facility on the Park They were warned that this could lead to unauthorised encampments just last week, but were not interested The question could be asked 'if its ok for them, then isnt it ok with us?' Getridofthetories
  • Score: 16

7:00am Mon 19 May 14

dylexic bobert says...

Well that's one of the echo reporters summer vacation sorted.Just follow them around take a few photos write a little piece and watch the collective heckles of the great and the good stand to attention.
Well that's one of the echo reporters summer vacation sorted.Just follow them around take a few photos write a little piece and watch the collective heckles of the great and the good stand to attention. dylexic bobert
  • Score: 8

7:14am Mon 19 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Apparently they have also arrived at Turlin Moor Rec as well.
Apparently they have also arrived at Turlin Moor Rec as well. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 7

7:16am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Apparently they have also arrived at Turlin Moor Rec as well.
The next thing you'll know they will be in Turkey! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: Apparently they have also arrived at Turlin Moor Rec as well.[/p][/quote]The next thing you'll know they will be in Turkey! :-) Getridofthetories
  • Score: 0

7:21am Mon 19 May 14

oversee says...

Love it...!!!!!!!!!!!...t
he more the merrier....
Love it...!!!!!!!!!!!...t he more the merrier.... oversee
  • Score: -19

7:25am Mon 19 May 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
"The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established" - yes, and this has to be established in a criminal court of law which actually takes longer than the eviction notice route...............
.........and even then, only the criminal concerned can be moved...............
...
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts[/p][/quote]"The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established" - yes, and this has to be established in a criminal court of law which actually takes longer than the eviction notice route............... .........and even then, only the criminal concerned can be moved............... ... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 1

7:33am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Getridofthetories wrote:
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
"The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established" - yes, and this has to be established in a criminal court of law which actually takes longer than the eviction notice route...............

.........and even then, only the criminal concerned can be moved...............

...
your'e absolutely right - but given that there is a high security "sensitive" forces bas some 700 yards away, i suggest Article 8 of the ECHR might come into play, where it speciffically states:
"There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of **national security** , public safety or the economic well-being of the country
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts[/p][/quote]"The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established" - yes, and this has to be established in a criminal court of law which actually takes longer than the eviction notice route............... .........and even then, only the criminal concerned can be moved............... ...[/p][/quote]your'e absolutely right - but given that there is a high security "sensitive" forces bas some 700 yards away, i suggest Article 8 of the ECHR might come into play, where it speciffically states: "There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of **national security** , public safety or the economic well-being of the country Getridofthetories
  • Score: 12

7:53am Mon 19 May 14

poolebabe says...

They could have parked in the car park to limit damage, but no. Maximum disruption, which will cause damage as always. This is why they don't get any sympathy. Before anyone defends their actions, the transit site that was thrown out, wasn't big enough for this group.
They could have parked in the car park to limit damage, but no. Maximum disruption, which will cause damage as always. This is why they don't get any sympathy. Before anyone defends their actions, the transit site that was thrown out, wasn't big enough for this group. poolebabe
  • Score: 16

7:59am Mon 19 May 14

Peroni says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
Good !
Now go tell the police and councils to do something......
Bloody cowards !!!
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts[/p][/quote]Good ! Now go tell the police and councils to do something...... Bloody cowards !!! Peroni
  • Score: 9

8:00am Mon 19 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Lets forget all this Human Rights rubbish, Civil Rights mumbo jumbo. It is blatantly obvious, regardless of all the comments above, the Councils are scared to move forward, and follow the law of these carbunkels camping up wherever they wish. Why cannot the council take immediate action, and also instead of waiting until Monday, have a duty group within the council over the weekend so action can be taken as soon as it is known that these people who can get away with everything can be given notice to quit.

By the way, would anyone owning a caravan, or motor home like to join me on Baiter Park or Whitecliff now that they are free, we will get a weeks holiday before being moving on, but we will clean up our mess before departing.
Lets forget all this Human Rights rubbish, Civil Rights mumbo jumbo. It is blatantly obvious, regardless of all the comments above, the Councils are scared to move forward, and follow the law of these carbunkels camping up wherever they wish. Why cannot the council take immediate action, and also instead of waiting until Monday, have a duty group within the council over the weekend so action can be taken as soon as it is known that these people who can get away with everything can be given notice to quit. By the way, would anyone owning a caravan, or motor home like to join me on Baiter Park or Whitecliff now that they are free, we will get a weeks holiday before being moving on, but we will clean up our mess before departing. TheDistrict
  • Score: 33

8:02am Mon 19 May 14

Gastines3 says...

Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge.
Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge. Gastines3
  • Score: 24

8:17am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

It has to be said that the gypsies only moved in at 8pm last night. So all our diligent council officers and members would have been snoozing of their sunday roasts!

Some of our councillors are seeing the light and are leaving their parties to parties that allow their Councillors freedom to stand up for the rights of their ward electorate. Cllr Tony Woodcock is a prime example of a politician shackled by the constraints of his party for over 20 years and now has the freedom to express the views and the wishes of his ward constituents. Perhaps other Councillors will follow if they have their electorate at heart and the courage of their own convictions

Shame Tony isnt Ward Councillor in Hamworthy!
It has to be said that the gypsies only moved in at 8pm last night. So all our diligent council officers and members would have been snoozing of their sunday roasts! Some of our councillors are seeing the light and are leaving their parties to parties that allow their Councillors freedom to stand up for the rights of their ward electorate. Cllr Tony Woodcock is a prime example of a politician shackled by the constraints of his party for over 20 years and now has the freedom to express the views and the wishes of his ward constituents. Perhaps other Councillors will follow if they have their electorate at heart and the courage of their own convictions Shame Tony isnt Ward Councillor in Hamworthy! Getridofthetories
  • Score: 0

8:36am Mon 19 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
If, as is suggested, they have broken a padlock to gain access to this ground, then they committed a criminal act, and therefore can be evicted immediately by the Police, if they actually have the balls. But as they don't, they'll still wait a week for the paperwork to do it the long way round.

What happened to all the money spent on 'lockdown'?
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts[/p][/quote]If, as is suggested, they have broken a padlock to gain access to this ground, then they committed a criminal act, and therefore can be evicted immediately by the Police, if they actually have the balls. But as they don't, they'll still wait a week for the paperwork to do it the long way round. What happened to all the money spent on 'lockdown'? speedy231278
  • Score: 10

8:39am Mon 19 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

A big thank you to Poole Council Planning Committee for rejecting the planning application for the Creekmoor and Oakdale sites and not wasting council tax payers money on them. Even if they had gone ahead AND the travellers had used them, that would only mean 16 caravans not on our open spaces and we'd still have others pitching up in open spaces around the town. I bet that's not the last of them either.
......
Come on Atkinson and Eades admit you were wrong, that they wouldn't have solved the problem and that the cost of preparing the planning application is money lost and would have been better spent elsewhere.
A big thank you to Poole Council Planning Committee for rejecting the planning application for the Creekmoor and Oakdale sites and not wasting council tax payers money on them. Even if they had gone ahead AND the travellers had used them, that would only mean 16 caravans not on our open spaces and we'd still have others pitching up in open spaces around the town. I bet that's not the last of them either. ...... Come on Atkinson and Eades admit you were wrong, that they wouldn't have solved the problem and that the cost of preparing the planning application is money lost and would have been better spent elsewhere. Carolyn43
  • Score: 10

8:44am Mon 19 May 14

mrpickles69 says...

fairandsquared wrote:
Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.
yes WE live here and WE pay a high amount of money to do so!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.[/p][/quote]yes WE live here and WE pay a high amount of money to do so!!!! mrpickles69
  • Score: 15

8:47am Mon 19 May 14

ruprecht says...

Was going to commend the Council this morning for taken some basic, but sensible precautions over the weekend and keeping some of the park gates locked. It seems we haven't done enough though.

I understand that there are some legal issues with trespass however if I was to break-into and drive across a recreation ground in my vehicle posing a danger to the general public using it at the time I'm pretty sure I'd get arrested!

We need to stop these people before they get on to the PUBLIC green space. BTW.. aren't the marines handily just down the road now??
Was going to commend the Council this morning for taken some basic, but sensible precautions over the weekend and keeping some of the park gates locked. It seems we haven't done enough though. I understand that there are some legal issues with trespass however if I was to break-into and drive across a recreation ground in my vehicle posing a danger to the general public using it at the time I'm pretty sure I'd get arrested! We need to stop these people before they get on to the PUBLIC green space. BTW.. aren't the marines handily just down the road now?? ruprecht
  • Score: 10

9:02am Mon 19 May 14

Afcbpete says...

Sorry if this is a repeat, but the travellers are there own worst enemy. I know people who have had items stolen out of their gardens when travellers are around, suspicious or what?? and the amount of rubbish they leave behind is an absolute disgrace, why why why, would any self respecting person want this lot within 50 miles of where you lived!! Has anyone noticed the size of the 6 wheeled motorhome, now hardly poor are they!!
Sorry if this is a repeat, but the travellers are there own worst enemy. I know people who have had items stolen out of their gardens when travellers are around, suspicious or what?? and the amount of rubbish they leave behind is an absolute disgrace, why why why, would any self respecting person want this lot within 50 miles of where you lived!! Has anyone noticed the size of the 6 wheeled motorhome, now hardly poor are they!! Afcbpete
  • Score: 18

9:15am Mon 19 May 14

topofall says...

Well done Poole Council, trousers down again.

Now here's an idea, follow them with the camera car after eviction and video the criminal damage. Nah, too simple!
Well done Poole Council, trousers down again. Now here's an idea, follow them with the camera car after eviction and video the criminal damage. Nah, too simple! topofall
  • Score: 18

9:40am Mon 19 May 14

High Treason says...

All because of the EU Human Rights Act. Rights for everyone except tax paying, hard working and law abiding people in the UK. Use your vote wisely on Thursday and remember all of the sudden spin from LibLabCon is just that, spin.
All because of the EU Human Rights Act. Rights for everyone except tax paying, hard working and law abiding people in the UK. Use your vote wisely on Thursday and remember all of the sudden spin from LibLabCon is just that, spin. High Treason
  • Score: 19

10:06am Mon 19 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Afcbpete wrote:
Sorry if this is a repeat, but the travellers are there own worst enemy. I know people who have had items stolen out of their gardens when travellers are around, suspicious or what?? and the amount of rubbish they leave behind is an absolute disgrace, why why why, would any self respecting person want this lot within 50 miles of where you lived!! Has anyone noticed the size of the 6 wheeled motorhome, now hardly poor are they!!
Well, when you don't pay income or council tax, nor declare your business earnings to the VAT inspector, it's quite easy to accumulate plenty of cash and get a nice deal on your latest toy!
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: Sorry if this is a repeat, but the travellers are there own worst enemy. I know people who have had items stolen out of their gardens when travellers are around, suspicious or what?? and the amount of rubbish they leave behind is an absolute disgrace, why why why, would any self respecting person want this lot within 50 miles of where you lived!! Has anyone noticed the size of the 6 wheeled motorhome, now hardly poor are they!![/p][/quote]Well, when you don't pay income or council tax, nor declare your business earnings to the VAT inspector, it's quite easy to accumulate plenty of cash and get a nice deal on your latest toy! speedy231278
  • Score: 21

10:23am Mon 19 May 14

Pawnstrar says...

If the council aren't sure if they are the same groups that were moved on at the weekend, why don't they make use of the very expensive scamera cars to video each of the vehicles as they leave. The numbers can then be checked at the next sight. It's not difficult to record a number plate. The council seem to manage ok if you stop for more than a few seconds near yellow lines
Can the council not put RECCOMENDATIONS IN THE LEGAL PAPER WORK BANNING SAID VEHICLES FROM ANY COUNCIL OWNED LAND
If the council aren't sure if they are the same groups that were moved on at the weekend, why don't they make use of the very expensive scamera cars to video each of the vehicles as they leave. The numbers can then be checked at the next sight. It's not difficult to record a number plate. The council seem to manage ok if you stop for more than a few seconds near yellow lines Can the council not put RECCOMENDATIONS IN THE LEGAL PAPER WORK BANNING SAID VEHICLES FROM ANY COUNCIL OWNED LAND Pawnstrar
  • Score: 11

10:33am Mon 19 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

You know one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb here is:

1. Most have ignored the fact that they got onto this Park
2. They might not have broke in, the gates may have been open as they normally are
3. Not all travellers are thieves, and most are clean and leave the place clean

And as the gentleman just said, they may not want to stay around here

But i am sure if i were one of their kids, I would! with a paddling pool, a cafe, and a new activity centre which is affordable (were told) to even the poor

Only downfall is there isnt no candy floss stall....YET!
You know one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb here is: 1. Most have ignored the fact that they got onto this Park 2. They might not have broke in, the gates may have been open as they normally are 3. Not all travellers are thieves, and most are clean and leave the place clean And as the gentleman just said, they may not want to stay around here But i am sure if i were one of their kids, I would! with a paddling pool, a cafe, and a new activity centre which is affordable (were told) to even the poor Only downfall is there isnt no candy floss stall....YET! Getridofthetories
  • Score: -22

11:09am Mon 19 May 14

nickynoodah says...

The pony's are keeping the grass looking neat and tidy
best its looked for ages you know
The pony's are keeping the grass looking neat and tidy best its looked for ages you know nickynoodah
  • Score: -14

11:35am Mon 19 May 14

Buzetti says...

Gastines3 wrote:
Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge.
Thursday seems to present a good opportunity for the beginning of change.......
[quote][p][bold]Gastines3[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge.[/p][/quote]Thursday seems to present a good opportunity for the beginning of change....... Buzetti
  • Score: 17

12:06pm Mon 19 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

When is this publication and it's anonymous Editor going to actually back it's readers wishes? When are they going to start a campaign for a law change that would see these free loading nomads treated in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the law repeatedly? Come on Daily Echo, stop being spineless. Calling for a law change is not being racist. You won't get sued by them ok.
When is this publication and it's anonymous Editor going to actually back it's readers wishes? When are they going to start a campaign for a law change that would see these free loading nomads treated in the same way the rest of us would if we broke the law repeatedly? Come on Daily Echo, stop being spineless. Calling for a law change is not being racist. You won't get sued by them ok. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 7

12:15pm Mon 19 May 14

DorsetKnobber says...

doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?
doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone? DorsetKnobber
  • Score: -27

12:16pm Mon 19 May 14

nickynoodah says...

the travellers children are playing with the local kids
the local children are getting free rides on the horses
its lovely to see them getting on together,
you know
the travellers children are playing with the local kids the local children are getting free rides on the horses its lovely to see them getting on together, you know nickynoodah
  • Score: -25

12:29pm Mon 19 May 14

topofall says...

DorsetKnobber wrote:
doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?
Doesn't work, that's why. I tried it last year on Broadstone Rec and got a reasonable reaction at first and then they descended into language that can't be repeated here! They then proceeded to do doughnuts etc. all over the football fields to do as much damage as they could before they left!

Poole council needs to realize that they have to keep them out in the first place. There is no other way.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?[/p][/quote]Doesn't work, that's why. I tried it last year on Broadstone Rec and got a reasonable reaction at first and then they descended into language that can't be repeated here! They then proceeded to do doughnuts etc. all over the football fields to do as much damage as they could before they left! Poole council needs to realize that they have to keep them out in the first place. There is no other way. topofall
  • Score: 11

12:54pm Mon 19 May 14

MJD says...

Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s
Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s MJD
  • Score: -23

12:54pm Mon 19 May 14

Harpenter says...

I'm sorry but those harping on about being "neighbourly" to these trespassers clearly have their head in the sand ! These Travellers have no more intention to be neighbourly to us "gorgers" than we do to them !
I'm sorry but those harping on about being "neighbourly" to these trespassers clearly have their head in the sand ! These Travellers have no more intention to be neighbourly to us "gorgers" than we do to them ! Harpenter
  • Score: 13

12:55pm Mon 19 May 14

BmthNewshound says...

Don't worry folks, the way things are going in this country it won't be long before law abiding taxpayers are granted minority status and be able to disregard the laws of the land.
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It seems that illegal travellers camps are now just as much of an annual event as Wimbledon. The Councils all know that once the sun comes out the travellers will appear but seemed to be caught out every time.
Don't worry folks, the way things are going in this country it won't be long before law abiding taxpayers are granted minority status and be able to disregard the laws of the land. . It seems that illegal travellers camps are now just as much of an annual event as Wimbledon. The Councils all know that once the sun comes out the travellers will appear but seemed to be caught out every time. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 7

12:59pm Mon 19 May 14

ol'bag lady says...

.......Meanwhile, it remains unclear if the Turlin Moor encampment is in any way connected to the travellers moved on from Hatchard's Field, Rossmore, on Saturday........

Unclear - did nobody in authority take their details?
.......Meanwhile, it remains unclear if the Turlin Moor encampment is in any way connected to the travellers moved on from Hatchard's Field, Rossmore, on Saturday........ Unclear - did nobody in authority take their details? ol'bag lady
  • Score: 7

1:27pm Mon 19 May 14

Vocalise says...

Local contractors fail again - rotten dogs teeth and gates left open - how long before the council take it back in house???? Tractor driver still employed?
Local contractors fail again - rotten dogs teeth and gates left open - how long before the council take it back in house???? Tractor driver still employed? Vocalise
  • Score: 2

1:33pm Mon 19 May 14

muscliffman says...

Buzetti wrote:
Gastines3 wrote:
Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge.
Thursday seems to present a good opportunity for the beginning of change.......
Quite right, the UK voice that has been silenced for more than twenty years may well be about to speak very loudly - and the LibLabCon media and political 'establishment' is clearly as rattled about this as these 'travellers' should be.
[quote][p][bold]Buzetti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gastines3[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the sunny South of England where all the trash,thieves, muggers,dope-heads and scroungers like to spend summer.The U.K. seems to descending into the mire so deeply it will never emerge.[/p][/quote]Thursday seems to present a good opportunity for the beginning of change.......[/p][/quote]Quite right, the UK voice that has been silenced for more than twenty years may well be about to speak very loudly - and the LibLabCon media and political 'establishment' is clearly as rattled about this as these 'travellers' should be. muscliffman
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Mon 19 May 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

am just glad hey have smartened themselves up, nicer cars and caravans an a very smartcampervan!
am just glad hey have smartened themselves up, nicer cars and caravans an a very smartcampervan! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 6

1:49pm Mon 19 May 14

mrpickles69 says...

nickynoodah wrote:
the travellers children are playing with the local kids
the local children are getting free rides on the horses
its lovely to see them getting on together,
you know
well, lets hope they dont s**t on the slides like at baiter then, or pull the knife on the kids like last year, while swearing at them........
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: the travellers children are playing with the local kids the local children are getting free rides on the horses its lovely to see them getting on together, you know[/p][/quote]well, lets hope they dont s**t on the slides like at baiter then, or pull the knife on the kids like last year, while swearing at them........ mrpickles69
  • Score: 9

2:02pm Mon 19 May 14

MrDMan says...

There was a program on the BBC recently about parking. It showed that when people don't pay council parking tickets, then they can be pulled over by bailiffs who can and will take your car.

Why can't the vehicles on the site be given parking tickets?

This is a genuine question.

If trespassing is a civil matter, which seems bonkers, as I can't see how it's any different from breaking and entering, just because it's a field.... then can't we discourage this through other means.

If I parked for 10 minutes too long at Sandbanks during the summer, you know full well there'd be someone there slamming a ticket on my car, does anyone know what stops them doing this to these people?
There was a program on the BBC recently about parking. It showed that when people don't pay council parking tickets, then they can be pulled over by bailiffs who can and will take your car. Why can't the vehicles on the site be given parking tickets? This is a genuine question. If trespassing is a civil matter, which seems bonkers, as I can't see how it's any different from breaking and entering, just because it's a field.... then can't we discourage this through other means. If I parked for 10 minutes too long at Sandbanks during the summer, you know full well there'd be someone there slamming a ticket on my car, does anyone know what stops them doing this to these people? MrDMan
  • Score: 9

3:03pm Mon 19 May 14

Mattguna says...

Right, so where is the new supposedly useful Crime Commissioner that I thought was supposed to represent the views of the constituency? Please tell me anyone who agrees, or otherwise, that these “protected minorities” (another name for thieving parasites that suck the lifeblood of the tax paying law abiding public) are a perennial pest that roam around ignorantly taking what they can, leaving what they don’t want, and moving on to another neighbourhood of victims. They should have all of their vehicles impounded and, whilst they are stuck, each adult should be investigated to demonstrate proof of income, tax payments, vehicle excise & insurance etc. You know, just like the 99% of us that live with some consideration for other members of our society. If they cannot, then keep the vehicles. Next set a standard “Trouble Causers & Parasite“ special Council Tax applicable to all roamers, say at £5,100 per annum (covers cleaning up their mess, junk, damage, faeces) and charge them on a pro-rata basis of £14 per day. Then on top of this charge them a per night fee for camping, you know, just like any normal person or family that goes camping, say £40 per night. It’s now straight forward. £54 per night every time a Romany (?!!) is caught somewhere, payable in cash (probably just stolen from someone who now has a really dodgy drive or who belied that their roof did need work!). Then treat it like vehicle insurance (another thing that I am certain is not checked) and, if they don’t pay on the spot, seize the vehicle.

If any politician at a local or central level has the guts to stand up and shout about this in a way that (I think) represents the majority opinion, you know, that democracy thing that those clever Greek chaps thought of a little while ago, well I say a little while, over 2,500 years ago, then I would imagine the bold, brave politician may find themselves waking up with a mountain of votes.

The idea is that the electorate (the clue is in the name) elect people to carry out their wishes, which is not quite what we the public are getting. The protective politically correct nonsense that is wrapped around this issue is pathetic in the extreme and now at a ludicrous stage where, before we the public can write down our comments, we are warned of the consequences if we actually refer to the group by their correct collective noun. Imbeciles and incompetent buffoons are what these politically correct wasters are. Wrong people in wrong jobs, that is the fundamental problem in particular with local government. So, I have vented my spleen, now nothing changes and we continue with the same incompetent blithering idiot’s.
Right, so where is the new supposedly useful Crime Commissioner that I thought was supposed to represent the views of the constituency? Please tell me anyone who agrees, or otherwise, that these “protected minorities” (another name for thieving parasites that suck the lifeblood of the tax paying law abiding public) are a perennial pest that roam around ignorantly taking what they can, leaving what they don’t want, and moving on to another neighbourhood of victims. They should have all of their vehicles impounded and, whilst they are stuck, each adult should be investigated to demonstrate proof of income, tax payments, vehicle excise & insurance etc. You know, just like the 99% of us that live with some consideration for other members of our society. If they cannot, then keep the vehicles. Next set a standard “Trouble Causers & Parasite“ special Council Tax applicable to all roamers, say at £5,100 per annum (covers cleaning up their mess, junk, damage, faeces) and charge them on a pro-rata basis of £14 per day. Then on top of this charge them a per night fee for camping, you know, just like any normal person or family that goes camping, say £40 per night. It’s now straight forward. £54 per night every time a Romany (?!!) is caught somewhere, payable in cash (probably just stolen from someone who now has a really dodgy drive or who belied that their roof did need work!). Then treat it like vehicle insurance (another thing that I am certain is not checked) and, if they don’t pay on the spot, seize the vehicle. If any politician at a local or central level has the guts to stand up and shout about this in a way that (I think) represents the majority opinion, you know, that democracy thing that those clever Greek chaps thought of a little while ago, well I say a little while, over 2,500 years ago, then I would imagine the bold, brave politician may find themselves waking up with a mountain of votes. The idea is that the electorate (the clue is in the name) elect people to carry out their wishes, which is not quite what we the public are getting. The protective politically correct nonsense that is wrapped around this issue is pathetic in the extreme and now at a ludicrous stage where, before we the public can write down our comments, we are warned of the consequences if we actually refer to the group by their correct collective noun. Imbeciles and incompetent buffoons are what these politically correct wasters are. Wrong people in wrong jobs, that is the fundamental problem in particular with local government. So, I have vented my spleen, now nothing changes and we continue with the same incompetent blithering idiot’s. Mattguna
  • Score: 10

3:04pm Mon 19 May 14

DorsetKnobber says...

billy bumble wrote:
DorsetKnobber wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
DorsetKnobber wrote:
doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?
Well you certainly have the right nickname
I see you are unable to respond intelligently to my comment. bless.
Oh I could - I don't mind a bit of debating

But for a debate both sides have to have a reasonable premise

It's impossible to debate stupid
so it's 'stupi'd to hold the opinion that improving community relations between both sides would help the situation get resolved more effectively? I'd rather be stupid than too ignorant to listen to the opinions of others!!
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?[/p][/quote]Well you certainly have the right nickname[/p][/quote]I see you are unable to respond intelligently to my comment. bless.[/p][/quote]Oh I could - I don't mind a bit of debating But for a debate both sides have to have a reasonable premise It's impossible to debate stupid[/p][/quote]so it's 'stupi'd to hold the opinion that improving community relations between both sides would help the situation get resolved more effectively? I'd rather be stupid than too ignorant to listen to the opinions of others!! DorsetKnobber
  • Score: -10

3:25pm Mon 19 May 14

Mattguna says...

DorsetKnobber wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
DorsetKnobber wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
DorsetKnobber wrote:
doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?
Well you certainly have the right nickname
I see you are unable to respond intelligently to my comment. bless.
Oh I could - I don't mind a bit of debating

But for a debate both sides have to have a reasonable premise

It's impossible to debate stupid
so it's 'stupi'd to hold the opinion that improving community relations between both sides would help the situation get resolved more effectively? I'd rather be stupid than too ignorant to listen to the opinions of others!!
Sorry Nobber, but you are correct; it is stupid to hold that opinion in this case, you sound like a modern day Chamberlain, equally idealistic, ineffectual and wrong. Refusing to see the reality that has been painted by years of practised and established behaviour negates any value to your comments. It is rotten behaviour of these generally unpleasant people that is the norm, not the exception. Perhaps you should put down your virtual pen as it appears that only you believe you have logic on your side, and your wit, far from rapier sharp is now dull. Perhaps you should pick another subject to while away your time on.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: doing the same thing and getting the same results is madness, why don't you all try making friends with the travellers instead? might lead to a bit of mutual respect and understanding, then both sides could move forward together with solutions that work for everyone?[/p][/quote]Well you certainly have the right nickname[/p][/quote]I see you are unable to respond intelligently to my comment. bless.[/p][/quote]Oh I could - I don't mind a bit of debating But for a debate both sides have to have a reasonable premise It's impossible to debate stupid[/p][/quote]so it's 'stupi'd to hold the opinion that improving community relations between both sides would help the situation get resolved more effectively? I'd rather be stupid than too ignorant to listen to the opinions of others!![/p][/quote]Sorry Nobber, but you are correct; it is stupid to hold that opinion in this case, you sound like a modern day Chamberlain, equally idealistic, ineffectual and wrong. Refusing to see the reality that has been painted by years of practised and established behaviour negates any value to your comments. It is rotten behaviour of these generally unpleasant people that is the norm, not the exception. Perhaps you should put down your virtual pen as it appears that only you believe you have logic on your side, and your wit, far from rapier sharp is now dull. Perhaps you should pick another subject to while away your time on. Mattguna
  • Score: 5

3:29pm Mon 19 May 14

Gingertree says...

So another summer of not being able to enjoy our own parks and amenities because Poole council haven't got the back bone to do anything about the situation Well how about we all don't pay our council tax until they do!
So another summer of not being able to enjoy our own parks and amenities because Poole council haven't got the back bone to do anything about the situation Well how about we all don't pay our council tax until they do! Gingertree
  • Score: 7

3:40pm Mon 19 May 14

Mattguna says...

Gingertree wrote:
So another summer of not being able to enjoy our own parks and amenities because Poole council haven't got the back bone to do anything about the situation Well how about we all don't pay our council tax until they do!
I agree with you Gingertree. Money is what makes everything happen so if a significant percentage of people stood up and made the statement that they would not pay until a satisfactory framework was agreed democratically then I think the ears of the council would be tuned in.
[quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: So another summer of not being able to enjoy our own parks and amenities because Poole council haven't got the back bone to do anything about the situation Well how about we all don't pay our council tax until they do![/p][/quote]I agree with you Gingertree. Money is what makes everything happen so if a significant percentage of people stood up and made the statement that they would not pay until a satisfactory framework was agreed democratically then I think the ears of the council would be tuned in. Mattguna
  • Score: 4

3:56pm Mon 19 May 14

muscliffman says...

Meanwhile, in our 'elected' PCC's secure and evidently completely sound proofed bunker..............
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Meanwhile, in our 'elected' PCC's secure and evidently completely sound proofed bunker.............. . muscliffman
  • Score: 8

3:59pm Mon 19 May 14

Lucky Rich says...

Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round.
Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round. Lucky Rich
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Mon 19 May 14

canfordcherry says...

Why don't we have the newly formed 'Dorset Farmers yearly dung spreading' event there tomorrow? As you may well be aware the special class awards involve distance spread, consistency on impact and overall aroma.
We could hold this event everywhere the little darlings set up shop.
Did they care about disruption to locals when they invaded these areas? Beat them at their own game I say.
Just heard it's the Wycombe horse fair tomorrow so be braced for all other areas to be invaded in time for the weekend after they have finished 'business' there!
Why don't we have the newly formed 'Dorset Farmers yearly dung spreading' event there tomorrow? As you may well be aware the special class awards involve distance spread, consistency on impact and overall aroma. We could hold this event everywhere the little darlings set up shop. Did they care about disruption to locals when they invaded these areas? Beat them at their own game I say. Just heard it's the Wycombe horse fair tomorrow so be braced for all other areas to be invaded in time for the weekend after they have finished 'business' there! canfordcherry
  • Score: 10

4:19pm Mon 19 May 14

canfordcherry says...

Mattguna wrote:
Lucky Rich wrote:
Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round.
Just human locusts Lucky Rich, they wander, scavenge, wreck the place the leave for the next victims. As a group I cannot see how they will ever change as they more or less enforce exclusive "in community" relationships, ensuring continued inbreeding and a continuation of their lineage. No doubt this, in part, explains why they are a sensitive as stones and oblivious to the idea of society and contribution. So, like all concentrated genes I imagine sooner or later significant genetic disorders will appear... or perhaps they have.. We can but hope...
Yes, they live in their multi million pound homes, mostly in Ireland!
[quote][p][bold]Mattguna[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round.[/p][/quote]Just human locusts Lucky Rich, they wander, scavenge, wreck the place the leave for the next victims. As a group I cannot see how they will ever change as they more or less enforce exclusive "in community" relationships, ensuring continued inbreeding and a continuation of their lineage. No doubt this, in part, explains why they are a sensitive as stones and oblivious to the idea of society and contribution. So, like all concentrated genes I imagine sooner or later significant genetic disorders will appear... or perhaps they have.. We can but hope...[/p][/quote]Yes, they live in their multi million pound homes, mostly in Ireland! canfordcherry
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Mon 19 May 14

muscliffman says...

Lucky Rich wrote:
Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round.
You could try looking for their permanent homes in Ireland, but you may have far more luck searching the north west and midland areas of England.
[quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: Any one know what happens to them the rest of the year ,do they have a winter retreat, or is it just like this in different areas all year round.[/p][/quote]You could try looking for their permanent homes in Ireland, but you may have far more luck searching the north west and midland areas of England. muscliffman
  • Score: 6

4:35pm Mon 19 May 14

MMM444 says...

250 grands worth of vehicles there, confiscate the lot, job done. Travellers my Ars@
250 grands worth of vehicles there, confiscate the lot, job done. Travellers my Ars@ MMM444
  • Score: 8

4:42pm Mon 19 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police

The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven.

Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts
Dorset Police are spineless though.
.
A speeding single mum who's kid chucked a sweet wrapper out the window is enough excitement for them.
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: Trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal offence. Removal of trespassers are the responsibilities of the landowner and not the Police The Police have powers to move Gypsies/Travellers off land where criminal activity by Gypsies/Travellers can be established - just as crime committed by settled people has to be proven. Police also have discretionary powers to direct Travellers off land where group behaviour is contravening to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. In certain circumstances (for example, where the Gypsies/Travellers have with them six or more vehicles and damage has occurred), officers may use powers under Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 The Police are obliged to act in accordance with the Human Rights Act, which constrains the use of Section 61 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 in circumstances where it would preclude welfare considerations from being taken account of by the civil courts[/p][/quote]Dorset Police are spineless though. . A speeding single mum who's kid chucked a sweet wrapper out the window is enough excitement for them. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -3

4:45pm Mon 19 May 14

Kiki1973 says...

Seems to me that now is the time to (robustly) fix the fencing.... and charge an exit/ removal fee......
Seems to me that now is the time to (robustly) fix the fencing.... and charge an exit/ removal fee...... Kiki1973
  • Score: 7

4:52pm Mon 19 May 14

master plan says...

I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine.
I would make it compulsory if I was in charge
I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine. I would make it compulsory if I was in charge master plan
  • Score: 10

4:55pm Mon 19 May 14

Lucky Rich says...

MMM444 wrote:
250 grands worth of vehicles there, confiscate the lot, job done. Travellers my Ars@
Would be an interesting one that, you will either end up with a load on the council steps saying they are now homeless or they will have a name & address elsewhere so they could have a letter through the post to pay for their holiday like the rest of us .
Mattguna ........love the human locust tag........ive had the misfortune to encounter a few over the years & that sums it up great.....
[quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: 250 grands worth of vehicles there, confiscate the lot, job done. Travellers my Ars@[/p][/quote]Would be an interesting one that, you will either end up with a load on the council steps saying they are now homeless or they will have a name & address elsewhere so they could have a letter through the post to pay for their holiday like the rest of us . Mattguna ........love the human locust tag........ive had the misfortune to encounter a few over the years & that sums it up great..... Lucky Rich
  • Score: 4

4:58pm Mon 19 May 14

Bob49 says...

or maybe have a council that tells us what checks are made to ascertain that these folk are 'real' ravellers and not just a bunch of parasitical chancers on the make

maybe the daily Echo could ask the council what criteria they have used and when were those checks made

because if we continue with this idiotic idea that we can built bigger fences, gates etc this annual problem will NEVER end and all it does is allow the council to neatly side swerve their responsibilities

if they are travellers, then the onus must be on them to prove it, beyond simply turning up in a caravan
or maybe have a council that tells us what checks are made to ascertain that these folk are 'real' ravellers and not just a bunch of parasitical chancers on the make maybe the daily Echo could ask the council what criteria they have used and when were those checks made because if we continue with this idiotic idea that we can built bigger fences, gates etc this annual problem will NEVER end and all it does is allow the council to neatly side swerve their responsibilities if they are travellers, then the onus must be on them to prove it, beyond simply turning up in a caravan Bob49
  • Score: 6

5:05pm Mon 19 May 14

nickynoodah says...

mrpickles69 wrote:
nickynoodah wrote:
the travellers children are playing with the local kids
the local children are getting free rides on the horses
its lovely to see them getting on together,
you know
well, lets hope they dont s**t on the slides like at baiter then, or pull the knife on the kids like last year, while swearing at them........
I don't remember the local children pulling any knives on the little traveller kids last year
who told you that
or did you just make it up ..
[quote][p][bold]mrpickles69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: the travellers children are playing with the local kids the local children are getting free rides on the horses its lovely to see them getting on together, you know[/p][/quote]well, lets hope they dont s**t on the slides like at baiter then, or pull the knife on the kids like last year, while swearing at them........[/p][/quote]I don't remember the local children pulling any knives on the little traveller kids last year who told you that or did you just make it up .. nickynoodah
  • Score: -11

5:09pm Mon 19 May 14

nickynoodah says...

master plan wrote:
I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine.
I would make it compulsory if I was in charge
The useless council cant block them out
let alone block them in
so your idea is also useless you know.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine. I would make it compulsory if I was in charge[/p][/quote]The useless council cant block them out let alone block them in so your idea is also useless you know. nickynoodah
  • Score: -5

5:09pm Mon 19 May 14

Baysider says...

One can't help but be struck by the amount of commentators ignoring the fact that a few weeks back they were also spouting off about how the transit camp money could now be better spent on this lockdown business. All this has proved is that one extra penny spent trying to protect our open spaces is a penny wasted isn't it? If they want to get on they get on and we are no further forward with a solution than this time last year.

I have no idea what the solution is btw but I'm pretty sure **** about it ad nauseum in the media, repeatedly ignoring the legal situation, perpetuating myths, half truths, prejudices and glib sound bites isn't it...oh hang on that sounds exactly like the UKIP approach to everything...it all becomes much clearer now.
One can't help but be struck by the amount of commentators ignoring the fact that a few weeks back they were also spouting off about how the transit camp money could now be better spent on this lockdown business. All this has proved is that one extra penny spent trying to protect our open spaces is a penny wasted isn't it? If they want to get on they get on and we are no further forward with a solution than this time last year. I have no idea what the solution is btw but I'm pretty sure **** about it ad nauseum in the media, repeatedly ignoring the legal situation, perpetuating myths, half truths, prejudices and glib sound bites isn't it...oh hang on that sounds exactly like the UKIP approach to everything...it all becomes much clearer now. Baysider
  • Score: -7

5:13pm Mon 19 May 14

i have heard it all now says...

Send the Royal Marines in for some live target practice.
Send the Royal Marines in for some live target practice. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 18

5:44pm Mon 19 May 14

susi.m says...

MJD wrote:
Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s
Perhaps you could offer to home one or two on your drive or lawn if you feel like that.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could offer to home one or two on your drive or lawn if you feel like that. susi.m
  • Score: 11

6:11pm Mon 19 May 14

Yankee1 says...

I would cheer if their next site was the Council Office Car Park.
I would cheer if their next site was the Council Office Car Park. Yankee1
  • Score: 6

6:45pm Mon 19 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
I would cheer if their next site was the Council Office Car Park.
Notice there has been no official comment from our esteemed council yet. But then so far the travellers aren't camped on Branksome Rec or Kings Park.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I would cheer if their next site was the Council Office Car Park.[/p][/quote]Notice there has been no official comment from our esteemed council yet. But then so far the travellers aren't camped on Branksome Rec or Kings Park. Carolyn43
  • Score: 5

6:50pm Mon 19 May 14

AustinMark says...

fairandsquared wrote:
Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.
Hamworthy, attractive? Good one. I think it's more that they fit right in with the people that currently reside there.


It's embarrassing how this is dealt with in this country, one bollard stopping them from getting in, really? I say give the armed police powers of immediate eviction, back up from the military woudn't be a bad idea either, would soon be shot of them.
[quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.[/p][/quote]Hamworthy, attractive? Good one. I think it's more that they fit right in with the people that currently reside there. It's embarrassing how this is dealt with in this country, one bollard stopping them from getting in, really? I say give the armed police powers of immediate eviction, back up from the military woudn't be a bad idea either, would soon be shot of them. AustinMark
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Mon 19 May 14

carrrob says...

Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it !
Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it ! carrrob
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Mon 19 May 14

Reader Echo says...

It seems to me that the governments since the early 80’s have allowed this sort of thing to happen, and none of them have tried to stop it.

However I’m sure many of the winging moaners on here will still vote for the LibLabCon lot again.
It seems to me that the governments since the early 80’s have allowed this sort of thing to happen, and none of them have tried to stop it. However I’m sure many of the winging moaners on here will still vote for the LibLabCon lot again. Reader Echo
  • Score: 5

7:43pm Mon 19 May 14

Jo__Go says...

carrrob wrote:
Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it !
Why should Creekmoor have to put up with them? Pay as much if not more council tax than the rest of the borough, and already had the sh**ty end of the stick when they ignored all logic, fact, and evidence, and tarmaced over a green field for the P&R that was never needed.

Stick them on the old power station site instead!
[quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it ![/p][/quote]Why should Creekmoor have to put up with them? Pay as much if not more council tax than the rest of the borough, and already had the sh**ty end of the stick when they ignored all logic, fact, and evidence, and tarmaced over a green field for the P&R that was never needed. Stick them on the old power station site instead! Jo__Go
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Mon 19 May 14

cromwell9 says...

MJD wrote:
Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s
You must be living on another planet ,Or you have just moved to the area ,
For your info ,The Council did Provide A Gipsy Site in Mannings Heath .in The 1960/70s .
And what did they do with it .They trashed it,.
The preasent site there is for Romany Gipsys .Not for Travellers.
We dont have issue with Romany Familys,
They have been here for Centurys,
We all know why we dont want Travelers,Just read the Comments.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Come on leave the travellers alone. The are entitled to jolly days. I blame the Council for not having a travellers site. The Council missed the boat they could of had one a Mannings Heath in the 1970s[/p][/quote]You must be living on another planet ,Or you have just moved to the area , For your info ,The Council did Provide A Gipsy Site in Mannings Heath .in The 1960/70s . And what did they do with it .They trashed it,. The preasent site there is for Romany Gipsys .Not for Travellers. We dont have issue with Romany Familys, They have been here for Centurys, We all know why we dont want Travelers,Just read the Comments. cromwell9
  • Score: 7

8:07pm Mon 19 May 14

cromwell9 says...

AustinMark wrote:
fairandsquared wrote:
Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.
Hamworthy, attractive? Good one. I think it's more that they fit right in with the people that currently reside there.


It's embarrassing how this is dealt with in this country, one bollard stopping them from getting in, really? I say give the armed police powers of immediate eviction, back up from the military woudn't be a bad idea either, would soon be shot of them.
Not a hope in this Liberal world.
Iff you vote LIB/LAB/CON.,you will get more of the same.
To get real change you have to vote UKIP.
IFF you dont your way of life that you have been used too will be GONE in 20yrs
And we will all be living in a country called the EU.
The sad thing is .All the equalitys the WOMEN of this country have fought for over the last 120 yrs will be all gone,as well.
For me I will miss the Short skirts.
O well its up to you THINK ABOUT IT, DONT BE CONNED.
[quote][p][bold]AustinMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Everyone's an expert. The council to their credit have made improvements to the security of the site after we had to suffer 25 caravans last year. This just shows how determined the travellers are, they stop at nothing when they want to get in and we have to wait until they can be legally evicted even though they are there illegally. Seems so unfair, but we have this every year and we know the council can't just drag them off. I certainly wouldn't want to see any violent confrontation. Hamworthy is just too attractive to them. I guess that's why we live here.[/p][/quote]Hamworthy, attractive? Good one. I think it's more that they fit right in with the people that currently reside there. It's embarrassing how this is dealt with in this country, one bollard stopping them from getting in, really? I say give the armed police powers of immediate eviction, back up from the military woudn't be a bad idea either, would soon be shot of them.[/p][/quote]Not a hope in this Liberal world. Iff you vote LIB/LAB/CON.,you will get more of the same. To get real change you have to vote UKIP. IFF you dont your way of life that you have been used too will be GONE in 20yrs And we will all be living in a country called the EU. The sad thing is .All the equalitys the WOMEN of this country have fought for over the last 120 yrs will be all gone,as well. For me I will miss the Short skirts. O well its up to you THINK ABOUT IT, DONT BE CONNED. cromwell9
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Mon 19 May 14

billy bumble says...

I invite anyone to go to the Steam Fair site the morning after the fair has closed

The public campsite , where a few thousand people have been camping for up to six days will be left virtually spotless, while the travellers' allocated area ( for which they don't have to pay like the public campers do ) will be a disgusting stomach churning mess
I invite anyone to go to the Steam Fair site the morning after the fair has closed The public campsite , where a few thousand people have been camping for up to six days will be left virtually spotless, while the travellers' allocated area ( for which they don't have to pay like the public campers do ) will be a disgusting stomach churning mess billy bumble
  • Score: 6

8:17pm Mon 19 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Bob49 wrote:
or maybe have a council that tells us what checks are made to ascertain that these folk are 'real' ravellers and not just a bunch of parasitical chancers on the make

maybe the daily Echo could ask the council what criteria they have used and when were those checks made

because if we continue with this idiotic idea that we can built bigger fences, gates etc this annual problem will NEVER end and all it does is allow the council to neatly side swerve their responsibilities

if they are travellers, then the onus must be on them to prove it, beyond simply turning up in a caravan
I dont trust yout comments on here Mr Bob.
You word them in a coded way,You are very clever,But I have worked you out ,and know eactly where you stand on this issue,
You know I am a UKIP supporter,
Now come clean Mr Bob,who do you support and WHY,
Funny ,Its gone very quiet,
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: or maybe have a council that tells us what checks are made to ascertain that these folk are 'real' ravellers and not just a bunch of parasitical chancers on the make maybe the daily Echo could ask the council what criteria they have used and when were those checks made because if we continue with this idiotic idea that we can built bigger fences, gates etc this annual problem will NEVER end and all it does is allow the council to neatly side swerve their responsibilities if they are travellers, then the onus must be on them to prove it, beyond simply turning up in a caravan[/p][/quote]I dont trust yout comments on here Mr Bob. You word them in a coded way,You are very clever,But I have worked you out ,and know eactly where you stand on this issue, You know I am a UKIP supporter, Now come clean Mr Bob,who do you support and WHY, Funny ,Its gone very quiet, cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:18pm Mon 19 May 14

Bob49 says...

yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed

maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort

if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views

Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea
yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea Bob49
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Mon 19 May 14

nickynoodah says...

I heard last week that the geezer who has got the Hamworthy café is a traveller maybe he's invited them for a party you know.
I heard last week that the geezer who has got the Hamworthy café is a traveller maybe he's invited them for a party you know. nickynoodah
  • Score: -5

8:21pm Mon 19 May 14

MMM444 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
carrrob wrote:
Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it !
Why should Creekmoor have to put up with them? Pay as much if not more council tax than the rest of the borough, and already had the sh**ty end of the stick when they ignored all logic, fact, and evidence, and tarmaced over a green field for the P&R that was never needed.

Stick them on the old power station site instead!
" Stick them on the old power station site instead! ", Having a laff aint ya, This mob of lawless thugs, ( and they aint true travellers ) would not even be suited for Chernobyl, they would even contaminate that place worse than what it is now.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it ![/p][/quote]Why should Creekmoor have to put up with them? Pay as much if not more council tax than the rest of the borough, and already had the sh**ty end of the stick when they ignored all logic, fact, and evidence, and tarmaced over a green field for the P&R that was never needed. Stick them on the old power station site instead![/p][/quote]" Stick them on the old power station site instead! ", Having a laff aint ya, This mob of lawless thugs, ( and they aint true travellers ) would not even be suited for Chernobyl, they would even contaminate that place worse than what it is now. MMM444
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Mon 19 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Bob49 wrote:
yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed

maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort

if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views

Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea
Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention.
The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS.
I noticed you did not answer my question?.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea[/p][/quote]Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention. The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS. I noticed you did not answer my question?. cromwell9
  • Score: 3

8:46pm Mon 19 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

carrrob wrote:
Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it !
How many more times? It can't be used for travellers - government money paid for it to be a park and ride and nothing else, and it's green belt land..
[quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Should have opened the creekmoor park and ride for them no one else uses it ![/p][/quote]How many more times? It can't be used for travellers - government money paid for it to be a park and ride and nothing else, and it's green belt land.. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

9:17pm Mon 19 May 14

Bob49 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed

maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort

if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views

Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea
Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention.
The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS.
I noticed you did not answer my question?.
I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense.

What next for you cranks ?

Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ?

You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you.

As to UKI[ I would suggest a bit of further reading would be Animal Farm and how similar to Boxer your thoughts are.

Farage is nothing more than a weasel worded shyster on the take. Grabbing what he can before his ragbag of crackpots, loonies and the terminally deranged are no longer needed as a repositiry for protest votes.

that you are too gormless to see this is your problem, Let's hope it is not the knackers yard for you once Farage as got as much as he can get.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea[/p][/quote]Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention. The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS. I noticed you did not answer my question?.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense. What next for you cranks ? Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ? You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you. As to UKI[ I would suggest a bit of further reading would be Animal Farm and how similar to Boxer your thoughts are. Farage is nothing more than a weasel worded shyster on the take. Grabbing what he can before his ragbag of crackpots, loonies and the terminally deranged are no longer needed as a repositiry for protest votes. that you are too gormless to see this is your problem, Let's hope it is not the knackers yard for you once Farage as got as much as he can get. Bob49
  • Score: -4

9:34pm Mon 19 May 14

billy bumble says...

Bob49 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed

maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort

if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views

Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea
Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention.
The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS.
I noticed you did not answer my question?.
I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense.

What next for you cranks ?

Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ?

You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you.

As to UKI
Bob

There is an element of truth in your portrayal of Farage and his party

The problem with condemning UKIP and Farage out of hand ( like the BBC and the Guardian are intent on doing ) is that he IS going to make a serious dent in the polls through to and including 2015

The reason for this of course is that he ostensibly stands for what quite a lot of the people want

Sensible , rational people will of course wish for equality and fairness.The problem with our governments of the past 20 years is that those qualities are fine as long as they are not allowed to be applied to the British

The British people do NOT want our borders opened , our rights trashed , our small island overrun with outsiders who sponge on our benefits

On this last point I accept that some earn their own way - but quite a percentage don't .At the least unrestricted immigration puts an unconscionable strain on schooling, housing and the NHS

These are NOT the freedoms that people have died for - quite the opposite

Voters in a democracy by and large get the government they deserve

So God help us if UKIP ever get in - in their present form - but they sure as hell are bringing some sense of regaining British national identity ------- which we are ENTITLED to

I will be voting UKIP for the short term
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea[/p][/quote]Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention. The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS. I noticed you did not answer my question?.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense. What next for you cranks ? Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ? You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you. As to UKI[ I would suggest a bit of further reading would be Animal Farm and how similar to Boxer your thoughts are. Farage is nothing more than a weasel worded shyster on the take. Grabbing what he can before his ragbag of crackpots, loonies and the terminally deranged are no longer needed as a repositiry for protest votes. that you are too gormless to see this is your problem, Let's hope it is not the knackers yard for you once Farage as got as much as he can get.[/p][/quote]Bob There is an element of truth in your portrayal of Farage and his party The problem with condemning UKIP and Farage out of hand ( like the BBC and the Guardian are intent on doing ) is that he IS going to make a serious dent in the polls through to and including 2015 The reason for this of course is that he ostensibly stands for what quite a lot of the people want Sensible , rational people will of course wish for equality and fairness.The problem with our governments of the past 20 years is that those qualities are fine as long as they are not allowed to be applied to the British The British people do NOT want our borders opened , our rights trashed , our small island overrun with outsiders who sponge on our benefits On this last point I accept that some earn their own way - but quite a percentage don't .At the least unrestricted immigration puts an unconscionable strain on schooling, housing and the NHS These are NOT the freedoms that people have died for - quite the opposite Voters in a democracy by and large get the government they deserve So God help us if UKIP ever get in - in their present form - but they sure as hell are bringing some sense of regaining British national identity ------- which we are ENTITLED to I will be voting UKIP for the short term billy bumble
  • Score: 4

9:40pm Mon 19 May 14

mumble says...

master plan wrote:
I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine.
I would make it compulsory if I was in charge
Payment for the spaces they are using would be a hefty charge on its own.
At Baiter on Sunday morning, each caravan was parked sideways taking up 5 spaces, and the cars were parked the same. Absolutely no reason why a car couldn't have been parked normally within one space. That's lost council income from 10 spaces for over 24 hours, not to mention the rest of the income lost because no other members of the public would use the car park. I would have no problem if they played by the same rules as everyone else, paid for parking spaces used, disposed of their rubbish, and left facilities as they found them. Until they do, blocking them in or towing the vehicles might be the only language they will understand.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I don't know why councils don't block them in and don't let them out of the site until they pay a fine. I would make it compulsory if I was in charge[/p][/quote]Payment for the spaces they are using would be a hefty charge on its own. At Baiter on Sunday morning, each caravan was parked sideways taking up 5 spaces, and the cars were parked the same. Absolutely no reason why a car couldn't have been parked normally within one space. That's lost council income from 10 spaces for over 24 hours, not to mention the rest of the income lost because no other members of the public would use the car park. I would have no problem if they played by the same rules as everyone else, paid for parking spaces used, disposed of their rubbish, and left facilities as they found them. Until they do, blocking them in or towing the vehicles might be the only language they will understand. mumble
  • Score: 4

9:59pm Mon 19 May 14

Bob49 says...

Much was said about the BNP, the NF before, and right back to the BUF.... all with a dodgy chancer on the make riding a wave of discontent over immigration.

Of course people are feeling angry and frustrated, if only because the 'class' of politicians (all three parties)who are telling them there everything is ok are not those whose schools are swamped, whose maternity wards are similarly swamped and who see enormous numbers of east europeans working minimal hours whilst claiming the maximum in working tax credit and housing benefit.

However these all too real and serious are in danger of being lost amongst the crackpot lunacy of UKIP, and easily swept aside as being merely similar idioces.

Hold your nose and vote UKIP if you feel it will make the main parties sit up and notice, but be very aware that there is the very real danger as stated above.

Likewise with the so called travellers. Whilst the terminall dim keep swamping these forums and elsewhere with Daily Mail style nonsense the the real question will not be addressed - which is, why are these folk NEVER challenged and made to prove that they are travellers ?

When the onus is on them to prove their status we will be going a long way to stopping this unlawful and provocative behaviour.

Sadly the council know they can dodge this challenge by allowing the numpties to bleat about the failings of the police and other idiotic tosh.
Much was said about the BNP, the NF before, and right back to the BUF.... all with a dodgy chancer on the make riding a wave of discontent over immigration. Of course people are feeling angry and frustrated, if only because the 'class' of politicians (all three parties)who are telling them there everything is ok are not those whose schools are swamped, whose maternity wards are similarly swamped and who see enormous numbers of east europeans working minimal hours whilst claiming the maximum in working tax credit and housing benefit. However these all too real and serious are in danger of being lost amongst the crackpot lunacy of UKIP, and easily swept aside as being merely similar idioces. Hold your nose and vote UKIP if you feel it will make the main parties sit up and notice, but be very aware that there is the very real danger as stated above. Likewise with the so called travellers. Whilst the terminall dim keep swamping these forums and elsewhere with Daily Mail style nonsense the the real question will not be addressed - which is, why are these folk NEVER challenged and made to prove that they are travellers ? When the onus is on them to prove their status we will be going a long way to stopping this unlawful and provocative behaviour. Sadly the council know they can dodge this challenge by allowing the numpties to bleat about the failings of the police and other idiotic tosh. Bob49
  • Score: -2

10:36pm Mon 19 May 14

N Smith says...

What the hell is our MP doing about this , you never hear from the waste of space.
What the hell is our MP doing about this , you never hear from the waste of space. N Smith
  • Score: 2

10:47pm Mon 19 May 14

ruprecht says...

N Smith wrote:
What the hell is our MP doing about this , you never hear from the waste of space.
Nor the PCC, nor the Council! Come on, please tell us tax payers exactly what is being done!
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: What the hell is our MP doing about this , you never hear from the waste of space.[/p][/quote]Nor the PCC, nor the Council! Come on, please tell us tax payers exactly what is being done! ruprecht
  • Score: 2

10:54pm Mon 19 May 14

PooleChuck says...

Year after year I experience these issues, read these stories and generally get really, really angry, as I’m sure most people in the borough do.
Gypsies, Travellers, Wastes-of-Oxygen, whatever they want to be referred to as; want to live outside of OUR society and in their own special one. In their own one where laws aren't abided by, taxes not paid, no need for any licences etc. For everyone else, infringing on societies laws has repercussions, be it fines, slaps on the wrists, custodial sentences. However, it seems being part of a minority can make you immune to such laws. I’d like to know how many other countries put up with such behaviour – it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. We pay our taxes to enjoy these great amenities , why should we have to give them up for people who don’t pay a dime towards them and treat them with contempt.
I’m actually part of an ethnic minority; Leprechauns – now give me back my gold!!!!…… and my lucky charms!!! (I’m not really, but seriously thinking about joining)
Year after year I experience these issues, read these stories and generally get really, really angry, as I’m sure most people in the borough do. Gypsies, Travellers, Wastes-of-Oxygen, whatever they want to be referred to as; want to live outside of OUR society and in their own special one. In their own one where laws aren't abided by, taxes not paid, no need for any licences etc. For everyone else, infringing on societies laws has repercussions, be it fines, slaps on the wrists, custodial sentences. However, it seems being part of a minority can make you immune to such laws. I’d like to know how many other countries put up with such behaviour – it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. We pay our taxes to enjoy these great amenities , why should we have to give them up for people who don’t pay a dime towards them and treat them with contempt. I’m actually part of an ethnic minority; Leprechauns – now give me back my gold!!!!…… and my lucky charms!!! (I’m not really, but seriously thinking about joining) PooleChuck
  • Score: 4

11:06pm Mon 19 May 14

Brimonty says...

nickynoodah wrote:
I heard last week that the geezer who has got the Hamworthy café is a traveller maybe he's invited them for a party you know.
The Hamworthy café was closed this afternoon.
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: I heard last week that the geezer who has got the Hamworthy café is a traveller maybe he's invited them for a party you know.[/p][/quote]The Hamworthy café was closed this afternoon. Brimonty
  • Score: -4

11:11pm Mon 19 May 14

Barry and Ann says...

We are regular visitors to your lovely Poole and surrounding area with our caravan which we pay quite high prices for a pitch per night. Last May Bank Holiday Baiter Park was home to the travellers, We were feeding the parking ticket machines all thru our stay whilst they camped for free. Coming down to Poole again this weekend and wondered if I bring my caravan to Baiter Park how long it would be before we were moved on, arrested or fined. Looking at the photo's I think you will find they are the same travellers as last May bank holiday. I would have thought the Council would have been ready. I just checked Poole news to see if they were there and low and behold they are, I do feel so sorry for all you Poole residents. If they cleared up their rubbish people might feel a bit more tolerant.
We are regular visitors to your lovely Poole and surrounding area with our caravan which we pay quite high prices for a pitch per night. Last May Bank Holiday Baiter Park was home to the travellers, We were feeding the parking ticket machines all thru our stay whilst they camped for free. Coming down to Poole again this weekend and wondered if I bring my caravan to Baiter Park how long it would be before we were moved on, arrested or fined. Looking at the photo's I think you will find they are the same travellers as last May bank holiday. I would have thought the Council would have been ready. I just checked Poole news to see if they were there and low and behold they are, I do feel so sorry for all you Poole residents. If they cleared up their rubbish people might feel a bit more tolerant. Barry and Ann
  • Score: 1

11:41pm Mon 19 May 14

hooplaa says...

It will keep happening year after year, nothing will change. The police are restricted and the council just ride the storm
It will keep happening year after year, nothing will change. The police are restricted and the council just ride the storm hooplaa
  • Score: 1

12:16am Tue 20 May 14

Bob49 says...

" it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. "

as the ruling was made by an English judge in an English court then yes it probably is just the Eenglish (not British) who are obliged to abey english laws.

so why not ask you MP why this ruling cannot be challenged

ask the council when did the check and verify that these are bona fida travellers

because if a middle aged person wanted a bus pass they would have to prove that they were entitled to one ie proof of age - it would not be down to the bus company to try and lock the bus door to keep them off the bus, nor would it be seen as a reasonable suggestions as to how to deal with that matter
" it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. " as the ruling was made by an English judge in an English court then yes it probably is just the Eenglish (not British) who are obliged to abey english laws. so why not ask you MP why this ruling cannot be challenged ask the council when did the check and verify that these are bona fida travellers because if a middle aged person wanted a bus pass they would have to prove that they were entitled to one ie proof of age - it would not be down to the bus company to try and lock the bus door to keep them off the bus, nor would it be seen as a reasonable suggestions as to how to deal with that matter Bob49
  • Score: 0

6:31am Tue 20 May 14

billy bumble says...

Bob49 wrote:
" it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. "

as the ruling was made by an English judge in an English court then yes it probably is just the Eenglish (not British) who are obliged to abey english laws.

so why not ask you MP why this ruling cannot be challenged

ask the council when did the check and verify that these are bona fida travellers

because if a middle aged person wanted a bus pass they would have to prove that they were entitled to one ie proof of age - it would not be down to the bus company to try and lock the bus door to keep them off the bus, nor would it be seen as a reasonable suggestions as to how to deal with that matter
Bob

Sorry - while I agree with some of what you say , you are just not getting this

I don't know what "ruling " you are referring to but the fact that Gypsies and Travelers ( 2 separate ethnicities ) are statutory minority groups is entirely because of the Human Rights Act - by which our judiciary and our parliament is bound and which is of course forced on us by our membership of Europe

To get us out of Europe is the main plank of UKIP ( in fact I think it's their only policy ) and they are falling into the trap of allowing themselves to be sidetracked by racism allegations

As far as I can see UKIP are not racist per se

In a true democracy the only weapon of protest that people have is the vote

The fact that the media ( particularly the BBC ) are trying to destroy a properly constituted political party is nothing short of outrageous

The sooner we are out of Europe the better and UKIP offers this country's only hope of bringing this about - not by getting into power ( they will never do that ) but by forcing that Eton anal orifice , or whoever succeeds him to hold a referendum
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: " it’s probably just us British and our stiff upper/ (or is that whimpering) lips. " as the ruling was made by an English judge in an English court then yes it probably is just the Eenglish (not British) who are obliged to abey english laws. so why not ask you MP why this ruling cannot be challenged ask the council when did the check and verify that these are bona fida travellers because if a middle aged person wanted a bus pass they would have to prove that they were entitled to one ie proof of age - it would not be down to the bus company to try and lock the bus door to keep them off the bus, nor would it be seen as a reasonable suggestions as to how to deal with that matter[/p][/quote]Bob Sorry - while I agree with some of what you say , you are just not getting this I don't know what "ruling " you are referring to but the fact that Gypsies and Travelers ( 2 separate ethnicities ) are statutory minority groups is entirely because of the Human Rights Act - by which our judiciary and our parliament is bound and which is of course forced on us by our membership of Europe To get us out of Europe is the main plank of UKIP ( in fact I think it's their only policy ) and they are falling into the trap of allowing themselves to be sidetracked by racism allegations As far as I can see UKIP are not racist per se In a true democracy the only weapon of protest that people have is the vote The fact that the media ( particularly the BBC ) are trying to destroy a properly constituted political party is nothing short of outrageous The sooner we are out of Europe the better and UKIP offers this country's only hope of bringing this about - not by getting into power ( they will never do that ) but by forcing that Eton anal orifice , or whoever succeeds him to hold a referendum billy bumble
  • Score: 1

7:53am Tue 20 May 14

Rockley66 says...

The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government. Rockley66
  • Score: 1

8:16am Tue 20 May 14

ruprecht says...

Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Could the Echo perhaps investigate this further and maybe get some comment from the PCC?
[quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Could the Echo perhaps investigate this further and maybe get some comment from the PCC? ruprecht
  • Score: 1

8:25am Tue 20 May 14

nickynoodah says...

I posted on here before about the padlocks from the 99pence Shop
they are naff, should have gone to Round Pound more expensive but worth the extra.
I posted on here before about the padlocks from the 99pence Shop they are naff, should have gone to Round Pound more expensive but worth the extra. nickynoodah
  • Score: 1

8:49am Tue 20 May 14

Mad Karew says...

Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so.

The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries.

So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.
[quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so. The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries. So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern. Mad Karew
  • Score: 1

9:04am Tue 20 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Mad Karew wrote:
Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so.

The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries.

So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.
Poole is a geographically small, but highly populated area, with insufficient space to house its own residents. There quite simply is nowhere suitable to create a site big enough to cater for the large groups that descend each year unless it's outside the geographical boundary.

The ONLY feasible and practical solution is to work with other authorities in a similar position to push through a change in the law so that the provision no longer has to be within the authority's area. With adequate safeguards, so we don't end up redirecting travellers an unreasonable distance from the borough, surely it makes sense to allow authorities to work together to make adequate provision.
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so. The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries. So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.[/p][/quote]Poole is a geographically small, but highly populated area, with insufficient space to house its own residents. There quite simply is nowhere suitable to create a site big enough to cater for the large groups that descend each year unless it's outside the geographical boundary. The ONLY feasible and practical solution is to work with other authorities in a similar position to push through a change in the law so that the provision no longer has to be within the authority's area. With adequate safeguards, so we don't end up redirecting travellers an unreasonable distance from the borough, surely it makes sense to allow authorities to work together to make adequate provision. Jo__Go
  • Score: 0

9:07am Tue 20 May 14

Rockley66 says...

Mad Karew wrote:
Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so.

The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries.

So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.
There is no requirement on UK Police Forces or local authorities to provide alternative sites, prior to serving Section 61 notices. It is a decision that the Chief Constable has adopted and now has to justify to the people of Dorset.
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so. The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries. So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.[/p][/quote]There is no requirement on UK Police Forces or local authorities to provide alternative sites, prior to serving Section 61 notices. It is a decision that the Chief Constable has adopted and now has to justify to the people of Dorset. Rockley66
  • Score: 2

12:27pm Tue 20 May 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
You know one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb here is:

1. Most have ignored the fact that they got onto this Park
2. They might not have broke in, the gates may have been open as they normally are
3. Not all travellers are thieves, and most are clean and leave the place clean

And as the gentleman just said, they may not want to stay around here

But i am sure if i were one of their kids, I would! with a paddling pool, a cafe, and a new activity centre which is affordable (were told) to even the poor

Only downfall is there isnt no candy floss stall....YET!
"most are clean and leave the place clean" - are you kidding? You obviously have not had to clear up after these delightful people. I have, and it is absolutely disgusting what is left behind........
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: You know one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb here is: 1. Most have ignored the fact that they got onto this Park 2. They might not have broke in, the gates may have been open as they normally are 3. Not all travellers are thieves, and most are clean and leave the place clean And as the gentleman just said, they may not want to stay around here But i am sure if i were one of their kids, I would! with a paddling pool, a cafe, and a new activity centre which is affordable (were told) to even the poor Only downfall is there isnt no candy floss stall....YET![/p][/quote]"most are clean and leave the place clean" - are you kidding? You obviously have not had to clear up after these delightful people. I have, and it is absolutely disgusting what is left behind........ Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 7

5:10pm Wed 21 May 14

mimi55 says...

Rockley66 wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so.

The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries.

So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.
There is no requirement on UK Police Forces or local authorities to provide alternative sites, prior to serving Section 61 notices. It is a decision that the Chief Constable has adopted and now has to justify to the people of Dorset.
What I have been saying all along - it is the police and the council who are
too weak-willed and PC to act under the Criminal Justice act. Vote UKIP!
[quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so. The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries. So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.[/p][/quote]There is no requirement on UK Police Forces or local authorities to provide alternative sites, prior to serving Section 61 notices. It is a decision that the Chief Constable has adopted and now has to justify to the people of Dorset.[/p][/quote]What I have been saying all along - it is the police and the council who are too weak-willed and PC to act under the Criminal Justice act. Vote UKIP! mimi55
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5:12pm Wed 21 May 14

mimi55 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
Rockley66 wrote:
The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.
Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so.

The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries.

So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.
Poole is a geographically small, but highly populated area, with insufficient space to house its own residents. There quite simply is nowhere suitable to create a site big enough to cater for the large groups that descend each year unless it's outside the geographical boundary.

The ONLY feasible and practical solution is to work with other authorities in a similar position to push through a change in the law so that the provision no longer has to be within the authority's area. With adequate safeguards, so we don't end up redirecting travellers an unreasonable distance from the borough, surely it makes sense to allow authorities to work together to make adequate provision.
Not redirect them an unreasonable distance??? How far away is Ireland???
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rockley66[/bold] wrote: The Police have powers to remove these people. Section 61 Criminal Justice Public Order Act 1994, provides police with a power to remove travellers if there are more than six vehicles, or if criminal damage has been caused. They cut the padlock, causing damage. Other UK forces use and enforce this power, Dorset Police do not. The travellers are quiet open about this and comment that this is why they stay in the county of Dorset, knowing that it is not used. I would encourage residents to contact both the Chief Constable and newly appointed Police and Crime Commissioner to ask why they are not using powers given to them by government.[/p][/quote]Section 61 provides a power to remove travellers but not a duty to do so. The Chief Constable said in a public meeting that they would normally only exercise the power if there is somewhere to move them to ie a transit site of some sort, and under current legislation it has to be within the local authority boundaries. So until Poole Council provides a proper transit site for a reasonable number of caravans, we can expect the problems to continue. There's no point in providing a small site - it needs to be a large transit site with 30+ pitches to cater for the large groups who are the cause of concern.[/p][/quote]Poole is a geographically small, but highly populated area, with insufficient space to house its own residents. There quite simply is nowhere suitable to create a site big enough to cater for the large groups that descend each year unless it's outside the geographical boundary. The ONLY feasible and practical solution is to work with other authorities in a similar position to push through a change in the law so that the provision no longer has to be within the authority's area. With adequate safeguards, so we don't end up redirecting travellers an unreasonable distance from the borough, surely it makes sense to allow authorities to work together to make adequate provision.[/p][/quote]Not redirect them an unreasonable distance??? How far away is Ireland??? mimi55
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Thu 22 May 14

RM says...

MrDMan wrote:
There was a program on the BBC recently about parking. It showed that when people don't pay council parking tickets, then they can be pulled over by bailiffs who can and will take your car.

Why can't the vehicles on the site be given parking tickets?

This is a genuine question.

If trespassing is a civil matter, which seems bonkers, as I can't see how it's any different from breaking and entering, just because it's a field.... then can't we discourage this through other means.

If I parked for 10 minutes too long at Sandbanks during the summer, you know full well there'd be someone there slamming a ticket on my car, does anyone know what stops them doing this to these people?
The yellow streak down their backs.
[quote][p][bold]MrDMan[/bold] wrote: There was a program on the BBC recently about parking. It showed that when people don't pay council parking tickets, then they can be pulled over by bailiffs who can and will take your car. Why can't the vehicles on the site be given parking tickets? This is a genuine question. If trespassing is a civil matter, which seems bonkers, as I can't see how it's any different from breaking and entering, just because it's a field.... then can't we discourage this through other means. If I parked for 10 minutes too long at Sandbanks during the summer, you know full well there'd be someone there slamming a ticket on my car, does anyone know what stops them doing this to these people?[/p][/quote]The yellow streak down their backs. RM
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Thu 22 May 14

Getridofthetories says...

The reason why they cant repossess a caravan is that people tend to live in it! Even Travellers! Thats why the Law is different o a car that has not had its parking ticket paid for. That is diabolical also! For Christ sake what is this country coming to. Let the Travellers ahve a week or so there, they dont want to live with you anyhow or they wouldnt live in caravans, and by the comments i have seen here i can guess why they dont.

I live 10 yards from Hamworthy Park, their not hurting us, its nice to see the kids playing, we sure as hell have grown to a selfish community and country
The reason why they cant repossess a caravan is that people tend to live in it! Even Travellers! Thats why the Law is different o a car that has not had its parking ticket paid for. That is diabolical also! For Christ sake what is this country coming to. Let the Travellers ahve a week or so there, they dont want to live with you anyhow or they wouldnt live in caravans, and by the comments i have seen here i can guess why they dont. I live 10 yards from Hamworthy Park, their not hurting us, its nice to see the kids playing, we sure as hell have grown to a selfish community and country Getridofthetories
  • Score: -1

6:33pm Thu 22 May 14

JustForPoole says...

From Poole Council website at 6.30pm Thursday 22 May ...


Travellers have moved onto the Park.
There are 8 Caravans and 1 motor home.
This is the group that were in Baiter Car Park last week.
We served a court eviction order on the Travellers late Wednesday afternoon. The travellers were given 24 hours from the service of this notice to vacate the land, albeit they were still present at 3.00pm today. In the event they do not depart today, bailiffs will be called first thing Friday morning to carry out an eviction.
From Poole Council website at 6.30pm Thursday 22 May ... Travellers have moved onto the Park. There are 8 Caravans and 1 motor home. This is the group that were in Baiter Car Park last week. We served a court eviction order on the Travellers late Wednesday afternoon. The travellers were given 24 hours from the service of this notice to vacate the land, albeit they were still present at 3.00pm today. In the event they do not depart today, bailiffs will be called first thing Friday morning to carry out an eviction. JustForPoole
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Thu 22 May 14

mimi55 says...

Getridofthetories wrote:
The reason why they cant repossess a caravan is that people tend to live in it! Even Travellers! Thats why the Law is different o a car that has not had its parking ticket paid for. That is diabolical also! For Christ sake what is this country coming to. Let the Travellers ahve a week or so there, they dont want to live with you anyhow or they wouldnt live in caravans, and by the comments i have seen here i can guess why they dont.

I live 10 yards from Hamworthy Park, their not hurting us, its nice to see the kids playing, we sure as hell have grown to a selfish community and country
so you'll be cleaning up the mess after they leave, will you? I must tell my
friend who goes caravanning that she and her group should stop all this rubbish about paying to park up at caravan sites, and turn up at Hamworthy
park instead
[quote][p][bold]Getridofthetories[/bold] wrote: The reason why they cant repossess a caravan is that people tend to live in it! Even Travellers! Thats why the Law is different o a car that has not had its parking ticket paid for. That is diabolical also! For Christ sake what is this country coming to. Let the Travellers ahve a week or so there, they dont want to live with you anyhow or they wouldnt live in caravans, and by the comments i have seen here i can guess why they dont. I live 10 yards from Hamworthy Park, their not hurting us, its nice to see the kids playing, we sure as hell have grown to a selfish community and country[/p][/quote]so you'll be cleaning up the mess after they leave, will you? I must tell my friend who goes caravanning that she and her group should stop all this rubbish about paying to park up at caravan sites, and turn up at Hamworthy park instead mimi55
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Bob49 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed

maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort

if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views

Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea
Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention.
The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS.
I noticed you did not answer my question?.
I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense.

What next for you cranks ?

Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ?

You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you.

As to UKI
I think you are going to end up in the TOWER Bob,
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: yes, that's just what we need an non liberal society where tolerance and reasoned thought are outlawed maybe there is some other form of law that might suit your sort if not, why not move to one of those states that shares your views Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea[/p][/quote]Helo Bob ,I thought my comments ,might get your attention. The LIBERAL values that the US/EU are trying to impose onto the rest of the world including us ,are FALSE, IMORRAL,AND DANGEROUS. I noticed you did not answer my question?.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that tyou actual look up the word liberal and stop bleating out such dangerous nonsense. What next for you cranks ? Attacking fairness ? Castigating equality ? You should perhaps also look at how many folk have fought and died for those values. Values that allow you to spout out you semi literate twaddle on here. Perhaps the irony of you attacking the freedom that allows you these attacks is lost on you. As to UKI[ I would suggest a bit of further reading would be Animal Farm and how similar to Boxer your thoughts are. Farage is nothing more than a weasel worded shyster on the take. Grabbing what he can before his ragbag of crackpots, loonies and the terminally deranged are no longer needed as a repositiry for protest votes. that you are too gormless to see this is your problem, Let's hope it is not the knackers yard for you once Farage as got as much as he can get.[/p][/quote]I think you are going to end up in the TOWER Bob, cromwell9
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Thu 22 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Barry and Ann wrote:
We are regular visitors to your lovely Poole and surrounding area with our caravan which we pay quite high prices for a pitch per night. Last May Bank Holiday Baiter Park was home to the travellers, We were feeding the parking ticket machines all thru our stay whilst they camped for free. Coming down to Poole again this weekend and wondered if I bring my caravan to Baiter Park how long it would be before we were moved on, arrested or fined. Looking at the photo's I think you will find they are the same travellers as last May bank holiday. I would have thought the Council would have been ready. I just checked Poole news to see if they were there and low and behold they are, I do feel so sorry for all you Poole residents. If they cleared up their rubbish people might feel a bit more tolerant.
I hope you did not vote LIB /Lab.CON .
Because its there fault ,they are still here.
[quote][p][bold]Barry and Ann[/bold] wrote: We are regular visitors to your lovely Poole and surrounding area with our caravan which we pay quite high prices for a pitch per night. Last May Bank Holiday Baiter Park was home to the travellers, We were feeding the parking ticket machines all thru our stay whilst they camped for free. Coming down to Poole again this weekend and wondered if I bring my caravan to Baiter Park how long it would be before we were moved on, arrested or fined. Looking at the photo's I think you will find they are the same travellers as last May bank holiday. I would have thought the Council would have been ready. I just checked Poole news to see if they were there and low and behold they are, I do feel so sorry for all you Poole residents. If they cleared up their rubbish people might feel a bit more tolerant.[/p][/quote]I hope you did not vote LIB /Lab.CON . Because its there fault ,they are still here. cromwell9
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