Up to 90 staff face losing their jobs as Mitchell House care home set to close

Bournemouth Echo: LOSS: Mitchell House Care Home. LOSS: Mitchell House Care Home.

STUNNED staff face losing their jobs following the planned closure of a Poole care home this summer.

Mitchell House at Canford Heath, which looks after up to 50 people with dementia, is due to shut after a change in the contract between Borough of Poole and Care UK, which provides the council’s dementia services.

At two meetings held on Thursday, care staff were told the home is due to close this summer. And an online petition calling for it to remain open has already been signed by well over 600 people.

“We are all in quite a lot of shock at the moment,” said a member of staff.

“We were told there is going to be a lot of redundancies.”

She said every member of staff, 80-90 were being made redundant. “We were left wondering how we are going to pay the bills. Who is going to employ that number of people?”

Another staff member in fear of losing her job said: “It’s very upsetting for the residents. It’s a big disruption for them having to move.”

A statement from Care UK said: “At this stage, we can’t say what precisely will happen to team members once the home closes later this year.

“We will start a formal consultation process involving unions and employee representatives very soon.

“We are a large provider of social care which means that we can offer a range of career opportunities across the country for people who are able to be flexible about where they work.

“And we fully expect that there will be some jobs at our other Poole home – The Potteries.”

The petition calling for the home to remain open will be presented to Care UK and Borough of Poole.

Meeting with residents families were due to be held on Monday.

'Not suitable'

Cllr Karen Rampton, cabinet portfolio holder for health and well-being, Borough of Poole, said: “We are aware that Mitchell House is a popular home amongst both residents and relatives and this is seen through the feedback we have received and the creation of the online petition.

“However, the building at Mitchell House is not suitable for modern dementia care, the rooms are not en-suite, and extensive refurbishment is required which would be extremely costly and is not a long-term solution.

“The decision to close Mitchell House was extremely difficult and our priority is to ensure the impact on residents is minimised.

"We encourage residents to visit the Potteries and other accommodation and will be offering support through this period to ensure as seamless transition as possible.”

 

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7:39am Fri 2 May 14

Gordon Cann says...

It is quite clear from this report which Í reasonably assume to be accurate that there is considerable concern felt relatives of dementia patients at Mitchell House as well as concerns by staff who will use we their jobs,

Care UK state that there will be some jobs available at the other Poole home -' The Potteries -' some' being the important word; this either means that in future dementia patients displaced from Mitchell House will be supported by fewer staff, or that patients to be moved from Mitchell House
will not be provided with alternattve accommodation, when the home closes; Councillor Frampton may well be right in priinciple that Mtichell House is not suitable for modern dementia care. although that view is not shared by , it seems many of the families with relatives st Mitchell House, but the central point surely is will Michell House be closed before or after newer and presumably better dementia care accommodation is available and how does that square with the fear of many present staff that jobs will be lost./

In summary from will Mitchell House be closed before the newer superior accommodation is available ?
It is quite clear from this report which Í reasonably assume to be accurate that there is considerable concern felt relatives of dementia patients at Mitchell House as well as concerns by staff who will use we their jobs, Care UK state that there will be some jobs available at the other Poole home -' The Potteries -' some' being the important word; this either means that in future dementia patients displaced from Mitchell House will be supported by fewer staff, or that patients to be moved from Mitchell House will not be provided with alternattve accommodation, when the home closes; Councillor Frampton may well be right in priinciple that Mtichell House is not suitable for modern dementia care. although that view is not shared by , it seems many of the families with relatives st Mitchell House, but the central point surely is will Michell House be closed before or after newer and presumably better dementia care accommodation is available and how does that square with the fear of many present staff that jobs will be lost./ In summary from will Mitchell House be closed before the newer superior accommodation is available ? Gordon Cann
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7:52am Fri 2 May 14

billy bumble says...

I hold no view whether it is the right thing or not to close this home

But this is typical sensational Echo reporting ( I will not dignify it with the word "journalism" ) hanging their editorial hat on the fact at 90 jobs are to be lost.

There is such a shortage of good carers ate the moment - especially specialist aged carers - that these people will walk into another job tomorrow, with a redundancy package in the bank to boot
I hold no view whether it is the right thing or not to close this home But this is typical sensational Echo reporting ( I will not dignify it with the word "journalism" ) hanging their editorial hat on the fact at 90 jobs are to be lost. There is such a shortage of good carers ate the moment - especially specialist aged carers - that these people will walk into another job tomorrow, with a redundancy package in the bank to boot billy bumble
  • Score: -3

8:05am Fri 2 May 14

Gastines3 says...

Perhaps Poole Council have heard about the windfall of £300k that Bournemouth Council obtained from the sale of Leybourne House!!! Lets hope for Poole council tax payers that the building is put up for sale on the open market unlike their neighbours.
Perhaps Poole Council have heard about the windfall of £300k that Bournemouth Council obtained from the sale of Leybourne House!!! Lets hope for Poole council tax payers that the building is put up for sale on the open market unlike their neighbours. Gastines3
  • Score: 1

8:09am Fri 2 May 14

Gordon Cann says...

With all due respect to Billy Bumble ( is there a Mrs.Bumble ? )- he diverts the argument away from the central point which relates to the closure of Mitchell House there may be a demand for specialist aged carers, but that doe not address the concerns expressed by relatives and carers at Mitchell House

I might add that the expression used by Councillor Rampton' seamless transition' joins the many other bits of bureaucratic jargon that seem to have entered our vocabulary; i certainly doubt if that is how it will be seen by a family with a relative about to lose a place at Mitchell House
With all due respect to Billy Bumble ( is there a Mrs.Bumble ? )- he diverts the argument away from the central point which relates to the closure of Mitchell House there may be a demand for specialist aged carers, but that doe not address the concerns expressed by relatives and carers at Mitchell House I might add that the expression used by Councillor Rampton' seamless transition' joins the many other bits of bureaucratic jargon that seem to have entered our vocabulary; i certainly doubt if that is how it will be seen by a family with a relative about to lose a place at Mitchell House Gordon Cann
  • Score: 6

8:25am Fri 2 May 14

60plus says...

Where is this petition to sign?
Where is this petition to sign? 60plus
  • Score: 1

8:35am Fri 2 May 14

Benji61 says...

billy bumble wrote:
I hold no view whether it is the right thing or not to close this home

But this is typical sensational Echo reporting ( I will not dignify it with the word "journalism" ) hanging their editorial hat on the fact at 90 jobs are to be lost.

There is such a shortage of good carers ate the moment - especially specialist aged carers - that these people will walk into another job tomorrow, with a redundancy package in the bank to boot
there may be care jobs, but these are mainly homecare and if you don't have a car you can't do it! it is not only carers but the manager, admin, domestic staff, kitchen staff and maintenance staff that are going to loose their jobs. the staff do not want redundancy or jobs elsewhere. they want to work in the care home they and their residents and families love.
the nearest homes that Care UK have to Poole, besides the Potteries, are Portsmouth then Newbury. Would you be prepared to travel that far for £7 an hour?
this is not mainly about the jobs but the fact that this is a care home rated Good by CQC in their last inspection, and for monetary reasons, it is being closed. if it was as bad as they are saying CQC would have closed it in December.
I would also like to know how this is saving £46 per week per resident (not much when you work it out that way) when the Borough of Poole are look at paying 50% more for the rooms at The Potteries compared to those at Mitchell House!!!
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: I hold no view whether it is the right thing or not to close this home But this is typical sensational Echo reporting ( I will not dignify it with the word "journalism" ) hanging their editorial hat on the fact at 90 jobs are to be lost. There is such a shortage of good carers ate the moment - especially specialist aged carers - that these people will walk into another job tomorrow, with a redundancy package in the bank to boot[/p][/quote]there may be care jobs, but these are mainly homecare and if you don't have a car you can't do it! it is not only carers but the manager, admin, domestic staff, kitchen staff and maintenance staff that are going to loose their jobs. the staff do not want redundancy or jobs elsewhere. they want to work in the care home they and their residents and families love. the nearest homes that Care UK have to Poole, besides the Potteries, are Portsmouth then Newbury. Would you be prepared to travel that far for £7 an hour? this is not mainly about the jobs but the fact that this is a care home rated Good by CQC in their last inspection, and for monetary reasons, it is being closed. if it was as bad as they are saying CQC would have closed it in December. I would also like to know how this is saving £46 per week per resident (not much when you work it out that way) when the Borough of Poole are look at paying 50% more for the rooms at The Potteries compared to those at Mitchell House!!! Benji61
  • Score: 3

8:36am Fri 2 May 14

billy bumble says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
With all due respect to Billy Bumble ( is there a Mrs.Bumble ? )- he diverts the argument away from the central point which relates to the closure of Mitchell House there may be a demand for specialist aged carers, but that doe not address the concerns expressed by relatives and carers at Mitchell House

I might add that the expression used by Councillor Rampton' seamless transition' joins the many other bits of bureaucratic jargon that seem to have entered our vocabulary; i certainly doubt if that is how it will be seen by a family with a relative about to lose a place at Mitchell House
Yes there is a Mrs Bumble

My nick is ( hopefully ) ironic

I wasn't trying to divert the argument - simply to reflect on how the Echo works
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: With all due respect to Billy Bumble ( is there a Mrs.Bumble ? )- he diverts the argument away from the central point which relates to the closure of Mitchell House there may be a demand for specialist aged carers, but that doe not address the concerns expressed by relatives and carers at Mitchell House I might add that the expression used by Councillor Rampton' seamless transition' joins the many other bits of bureaucratic jargon that seem to have entered our vocabulary; i certainly doubt if that is how it will be seen by a family with a relative about to lose a place at Mitchell House[/p][/quote]Yes there is a Mrs Bumble My nick is ( hopefully ) ironic I wasn't trying to divert the argument - simply to reflect on how the Echo works billy bumble
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8:40am Fri 2 May 14

Benji61 says...

60plus wrote:
Where is this petition to sign?
https://www.change.o
rg/en-GB/petitions/p
oole-borough-council
-save-mitchell-house
-from-closure#share.

it is also in many shops on Canford Heath
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Where is this petition to sign?[/p][/quote]https://www.change.o rg/en-GB/petitions/p oole-borough-council -save-mitchell-house -from-closure#share. it is also in many shops on Canford Heath Benji61
  • Score: 3

8:49am Fri 2 May 14

Carol2107 says...

I'm sure we will will a nice shiny new block of flats go up in its place.
I'm sure we will will a nice shiny new block of flats go up in its place. Carol2107
  • Score: 2

9:12am Fri 2 May 14

Baysider says...

Voted Tory? Getting what you voted for. Cuts...sorry efficiencies...to the care of our sick and elderly. Austerity is NOT a meaningless phrase.
Voted Tory? Getting what you voted for. Cuts...sorry efficiencies...to the care of our sick and elderly. Austerity is NOT a meaningless phrase. Baysider
  • Score: 7

9:35am Fri 2 May 14

Branksome Boy says...

My mum is in a CARE run dementia home in another area of the UK and I can confirm that they are running their homes on fewer and fewer staff! My Mum's unit has just one carer to look after the needs of up to 10 dementia patients and these are old people with severe dementia! At the weekends when I visit you can find some members of staff run off their feet trying to meet all the needs of the unit they are in charge of! It's frightening and yet this home charges between £800 and £1200 per week (Yes per week!). If I could look after my Mum I would but my own health means that is impossible but I spend many hours worrying about what is going on at Mum's home!
My mum is in a CARE run dementia home in another area of the UK and I can confirm that they are running their homes on fewer and fewer staff! My Mum's unit has just one carer to look after the needs of up to 10 dementia patients and these are old people with severe dementia! At the weekends when I visit you can find some members of staff run off their feet trying to meet all the needs of the unit they are in charge of! It's frightening and yet this home charges between £800 and £1200 per week (Yes per week!). If I could look after my Mum I would but my own health means that is impossible but I spend many hours worrying about what is going on at Mum's home! Branksome Boy
  • Score: 4

10:40am Fri 2 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I watched Panorama this week and was surprised to see how the elderly are treated when the staff think no one is watching. 7 sacked so far with more to follow.
I watched Panorama this week and was surprised to see how the elderly are treated when the staff think no one is watching. 7 sacked so far with more to follow. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 4

10:51am Fri 2 May 14

simon64 says...

60plus wrote:
Where is this petition to sign?
Just google 'mitchell house petition' and it will come up
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Where is this petition to sign?[/p][/quote]Just google 'mitchell house petition' and it will come up simon64
  • Score: 2

11:38am Fri 2 May 14

simon64 says...

I am very surprised at poole borough announcing this closure just a few weeks before 'dementia awareness week'. Not very well planned. I also know for a fact that poole borough and care uk have signed an agreement that care uk will take in mitchell houses residents and poole borough are going to pay the full £900 per week until each resident passes away. This should kick up a stink because I know that the borough of poole allows alot less for other funded residents in other homes. And any top up has to be paid by families members. Self funding residents at the potteries are paying just £1100 a week. Now don't tell me this isn't all about money. Poole council ARE going to sell this land and grant permission for flats to be built. Of course its all about money. The same as every council in england, cutting costs so they take away the things that are most needed. If you look in poole boroughs website you will see under the dementia needs assessment that the borough are short of dementia beds and specialised dementia homes. So why is it closing? Because they need to cut costs somewhere it seems to be the elderly they are picking on. Do they nor care uk know nothing of 'transfer trauma'. Obviously not. Google it. Some of these families moving their relatives should expect to see their loved ones dementia level get worse and some will probably die. It is no worse than when each of these dementia patients moved out of their own homes. Some people that move from their own home into a care home die within months or sometimes weeks because they go into a state of depression and their health then fails with it. With dementia patients it is worse. I expect with Mitchell houses patients it will be even worse than most if their carers are going with them. And if care uk are educated enough in the care of elderly they should know this. But again like I said, its all about money to both sides I think. I for one have signed the petition and I hope it goes to government who seem to be allowing the care system to be taken over by private companies whi charge over £1000 per week for an individuals care. Most councils will allow around £500 per week for a funded resident so its left up to the family to cough up the rest of the bill. Poole council want more families that need care for a loved one, to have home carers in a couple of times a day but from my experience with my father who had dementia thats not possible. He left the bath running and flooded the flat down stairs and left an unlit gas stove turned on. It's dangerous for a person with dementia to be left to live on their own. Wake up poole council. I'm not surprised people are kicking up a stink.
I am very surprised at poole borough announcing this closure just a few weeks before 'dementia awareness week'. Not very well planned. I also know for a fact that poole borough and care uk have signed an agreement that care uk will take in mitchell houses residents and poole borough are going to pay the full £900 per week until each resident passes away. This should kick up a stink because I know that the borough of poole allows alot less for other funded residents in other homes. And any top up has to be paid by families members. Self funding residents at the potteries are paying just £1100 a week. Now don't tell me this isn't all about money. Poole council ARE going to sell this land and grant permission for flats to be built. Of course its all about money. The same as every council in england, cutting costs so they take away the things that are most needed. If you look in poole boroughs website you will see under the dementia needs assessment that the borough are short of dementia beds and specialised dementia homes. So why is it closing? Because they need to cut costs somewhere it seems to be the elderly they are picking on. Do they nor care uk know nothing of 'transfer trauma'. Obviously not. Google it. Some of these families moving their relatives should expect to see their loved ones dementia level get worse and some will probably die. It is no worse than when each of these dementia patients moved out of their own homes. Some people that move from their own home into a care home die within months or sometimes weeks because they go into a state of depression and their health then fails with it. With dementia patients it is worse. I expect with Mitchell houses patients it will be even worse than most if their carers are going with them. And if care uk are educated enough in the care of elderly they should know this. But again like I said, its all about money to both sides I think. I for one have signed the petition and I hope it goes to government who seem to be allowing the care system to be taken over by private companies whi charge over £1000 per week for an individuals care. Most councils will allow around £500 per week for a funded resident so its left up to the family to cough up the rest of the bill. Poole council want more families that need care for a loved one, to have home carers in a couple of times a day but from my experience with my father who had dementia thats not possible. He left the bath running and flooded the flat down stairs and left an unlit gas stove turned on. It's dangerous for a person with dementia to be left to live on their own. Wake up poole council. I'm not surprised people are kicking up a stink. simon64
  • Score: 11

11:56am Fri 2 May 14

guisselle says...

I have worked in a lot of nursing homes and most are excellent, they were
not so good 30 or so years ago. Its a pity that Mitchell House could not put
in the ensuites and refurbish but It remains to be seen what happens next.
I know of a beautiful home in Castle Carey, Carey Brook and its like a Hotel.
They specialise in Dementia and Altszeimers.
I have worked in a lot of nursing homes and most are excellent, they were not so good 30 or so years ago. Its a pity that Mitchell House could not put in the ensuites and refurbish but It remains to be seen what happens next. I know of a beautiful home in Castle Carey, Carey Brook and its like a Hotel. They specialise in Dementia and Altszeimers. guisselle
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Fri 2 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

simon64 wrote:
60plus wrote:
Where is this petition to sign?
Just google 'mitchell house petition' and it will come up
it now has over 1,600 signatures , please sign and share with as many as possible http://www.change.or
g/en-GB/petitions/po
ole-borough-council-
save-mitchell-house-
from-closure
[quote][p][bold]simon64[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Where is this petition to sign?[/p][/quote]Just google 'mitchell house petition' and it will come up[/p][/quote]it now has over 1,600 signatures , please sign and share with as many as possible http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/po ole-borough-council- save-mitchell-house- from-closure Marty Caine UKIP
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12:15pm Fri 2 May 14

pintsize says...

Cllr Rampton seems to imply that all rooms in all nursing homes need to have en suite bathrooms - or at least should have. What a fantastic aspiration councellor!

What planet do you live on though? How many nuring homes have you worked in?

The old people you and your uncaring bunch of croonies are currently making homeless actually need a room over their heads at the moment.

Toilets are luxuries unfortunately!

Get a grip women!
Cllr Rampton seems to imply that all rooms in all nursing homes need to have en suite bathrooms - or at least should have. What a fantastic aspiration councellor! What planet do you live on though? How many nuring homes have you worked in? The old people you and your uncaring bunch of croonies are currently making homeless actually need a room over their heads at the moment. Toilets are luxuries unfortunately! Get a grip women! pintsize
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Fri 2 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice.

Give us the choice.
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 6

4:51pm Fri 2 May 14

pintsize says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place! pintsize
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Fri 2 May 14

dorsetred says...

For a country that can always afford a WAR this coalition seems hell bent on taking it out once again on the less fortunate members of our society ie Remploy
no doubt inspiring this callous short sighted suggestion ( THATS ALL IT IS AT THE MOMENT) from Poole Council bearing in mind that our totally corrupt policy
makers insist that we are all going to live longer so there fore sadly will be needing this service more not LESS.
So everybody sign the PETITION remind your Councillor and MP who employs them, they have NO money! only custody of ours.
For a country that can always afford a WAR this coalition seems hell bent on taking it out once again on the less fortunate members of our society ie Remploy no doubt inspiring this callous short sighted suggestion ( THATS ALL IT IS AT THE MOMENT) from Poole Council bearing in mind that our totally corrupt policy makers insist that we are all going to live longer so there fore sadly will be needing this service more not LESS. So everybody sign the PETITION remind your Councillor and MP who employs them, they have NO money! only custody of ours. dorsetred
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Fri 2 May 14

ShuttleX says...

pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
I don't always agree with Beachy Head, but on this occasion he has a valid point. A minefield to be sure, but may be it is time to have a debate on whether or not it should be legal. Your mention of people fighting against the Nazis to stop ideas like that is incorrect. They didn't endorse euthanasia, but did endorse murder, two different things. Personally I would be against it, but would certainly welcome a debate. Nowhere in his post did he advocate putting old people to sleep against their wishes, or those of their family. All he stated was his wish to debate the subject, and his personal choice to end his life on his terms.

For those interested, the petition will not work. Poole Council has already earmarked the site. They are also talking to Bournemouth Council about any spare places in Brushett House, and possible building an extension onto that place to increase capacity
[quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place![/p][/quote]I don't always agree with Beachy Head, but on this occasion he has a valid point. A minefield to be sure, but may be it is time to have a debate on whether or not it should be legal. Your mention of people fighting against the Nazis to stop ideas like that is incorrect. They didn't endorse euthanasia, but did endorse murder, two different things. Personally I would be against it, but would certainly welcome a debate. Nowhere in his post did he advocate putting old people to sleep against their wishes, or those of their family. All he stated was his wish to debate the subject, and his personal choice to end his life on his terms. For those interested, the petition will not work. Poole Council has already earmarked the site. They are also talking to Bournemouth Council about any spare places in Brushett House, and possible building an extension onto that place to increase capacity ShuttleX
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Fri 2 May 14

simon64 says...

ShuttleX wrote:
pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
I don't always agree with Beachy Head, but on this occasion he has a valid point. A minefield to be sure, but may be it is time to have a debate on whether or not it should be legal. Your mention of people fighting against the Nazis to stop ideas like that is incorrect. They didn't endorse euthanasia, but did endorse murder, two different things. Personally I would be against it, but would certainly welcome a debate. Nowhere in his post did he advocate putting old people to sleep against their wishes, or those of their family. All he stated was his wish to debate the subject, and his personal choice to end his life on his terms.

For those interested, the petition will not work. Poole Council has already earmarked the site. They are also talking to Bournemouth Council about any spare places in Brushett House, and possible building an extension onto that place to increase capacity
So the petition of 20,000 signatures for the hengisbury head train didn't work???I see they are keeping the train now due to the petition. There is strong opposition to the council shutting this care home down especially in the surrounding area. Lim dem area isn't it? Won't be in the next elections. There are a huge amount of signatures on paper petitions too. Maybe it won't help save it but it is turning a lot of people against the council and the council are supposed to be making good decisions to benefit the people of Poole??? Seems the people of poole are being ignored. Weren't dorset countil council given a fund to help with health and social care this year and a huge chunk of that fund was given to poole council. So who is benefitting from the government funding poole council were given? Seems poole council have a lot to think about.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place![/p][/quote]I don't always agree with Beachy Head, but on this occasion he has a valid point. A minefield to be sure, but may be it is time to have a debate on whether or not it should be legal. Your mention of people fighting against the Nazis to stop ideas like that is incorrect. They didn't endorse euthanasia, but did endorse murder, two different things. Personally I would be against it, but would certainly welcome a debate. Nowhere in his post did he advocate putting old people to sleep against their wishes, or those of their family. All he stated was his wish to debate the subject, and his personal choice to end his life on his terms. For those interested, the petition will not work. Poole Council has already earmarked the site. They are also talking to Bournemouth Council about any spare places in Brushett House, and possible building an extension onto that place to increase capacity[/p][/quote]So the petition of 20,000 signatures for the hengisbury head train didn't work???I see they are keeping the train now due to the petition. There is strong opposition to the council shutting this care home down especially in the surrounding area. Lim dem area isn't it? Won't be in the next elections. There are a huge amount of signatures on paper petitions too. Maybe it won't help save it but it is turning a lot of people against the council and the council are supposed to be making good decisions to benefit the people of Poole??? Seems the people of poole are being ignored. Weren't dorset countil council given a fund to help with health and social care this year and a huge chunk of that fund was given to poole council. So who is benefitting from the government funding poole council were given? Seems poole council have a lot to think about. simon64
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7:21pm Fri 2 May 14

60plus says...

They now have petitions in some shops in Poole I think the council could come unstuck yet again.we are talking happy disabled people's life's and all their relations and friends have votes.
They now have petitions in some shops in Poole I think the council could come unstuck yet again.we are talking happy disabled people's life's and all their relations and friends have votes. 60plus
  • Score: 2

7:44pm Fri 2 May 14

Gingertree says...

Why is it nesesary to have en-suite facilities If these elderly people were still in their own home very few would have an en-suite bathroom Its just yet again decitions being made by people without the remotest clue what vulnerable people need They DO NOT need a bathroom in their bedrooms They need to feel safe loved and well cared for with familiar faces around them
Why is it nesesary to have en-suite facilities If these elderly people were still in their own home very few would have an en-suite bathroom Its just yet again decitions being made by people without the remotest clue what vulnerable people need They DO NOT need a bathroom in their bedrooms They need to feel safe loved and well cared for with familiar faces around them Gingertree
  • Score: 3

8:15pm Fri 2 May 14

apm1954 says...

i blame the lib dems for supporting the tories do what ever they like .
i blame the lib dems for supporting the tories do what ever they like . apm1954
  • Score: 5

9:32pm Fri 2 May 14

master plan says...

Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked?
Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked? master plan
  • Score: 1

11:21pm Fri 2 May 14

bella99 says...

master plan wrote:
Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked?
Utter nonsense. Mitchell house has won 2 top awards in the last 3 years. It is closing simply because the council own the land and the building ( care uk are contracted to run mitchell house) and the council want to save money and sell the land. Read the original article. Some of the residents have been shown the potteries and they don't like it because it doesn't feel homely. Too clinical.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked?[/p][/quote]Utter nonsense. Mitchell house has won 2 top awards in the last 3 years. It is closing simply because the council own the land and the building ( care uk are contracted to run mitchell house) and the council want to save money and sell the land. Read the original article. Some of the residents have been shown the potteries and they don't like it because it doesn't feel homely. Too clinical. bella99
  • Score: 2

1:07am Sat 3 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact.

Did you not know that ?

It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book'

Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy
[quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place![/p][/quote]Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact. Did you not know that ? It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book' Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy Sir Beachy Head
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6:13am Sat 10 May 14

pintsize says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact.

Did you not know that ?

It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book'

Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy
of course - unless they are conversing with fascists - then its a very different matter.! you scum don't even show your faces in daylight. you are Nazis and love youselves for it...
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place![/p][/quote]Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact. Did you not know that ? It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book' Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy[/p][/quote]of course - unless they are conversing with fascists - then its a very different matter.! you scum don't even show your faces in daylight. you are Nazis and love youselves for it... pintsize
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6:18am Sat 10 May 14

pintsize says...

pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
pintsize wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.
Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'.

45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution?

The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that.

Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place!
Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact.

Did you not know that ?

It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book'

Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy
of course - unless they are conversing with fascists - then its a very different matter.! you scum don't even show your faces in daylight. you are Nazis and love youselves for it...
and if beachy head wants to throw himself off beachy head - nobody is gonna stop him...... I assume he has the capacity to make that decision...
[quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pintsize[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: It's time to have a debate on euthanasia. Really it is. There just isn't the capacity or funds to keep the elderly in homes. I'd except a nice quiet injection to end my life and so would many others if given the choice. Give us the choice.[/p][/quote]Sensitivity not really your style is it 'beachy head'. 45 vulnerable people about to be made homeless and your answer to the problem is to consider euthanasia. Didn't the nazis have a similar solution? The irony is that many of the people that are being effected by this decision actually fought against ideals like that. Take your debate elsewhere - this is not the time or the place![/p][/quote]Anyone that refers to the Nazis or Hitler instantly loses any debate or discussion. Thats a fact. Did you not know that ? It's on page 1 of the 'how to use the internet book' Perhaps ask your library if they have a copy[/p][/quote]of course - unless they are conversing with fascists - then its a very different matter.! you scum don't even show your faces in daylight. you are Nazis and love youselves for it...[/p][/quote]and if beachy head wants to throw himself off beachy head - nobody is gonna stop him...... I assume he has the capacity to make that decision... pintsize
  • Score: 0

11:41am Sat 10 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

bella99 wrote:
master plan wrote:
Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked?
Utter nonsense. Mitchell house has won 2 top awards in the last 3 years. It is closing simply because the council own the land and the building ( care uk are contracted to run mitchell house) and the council want to save money and sell the land. Read the original article. Some of the residents have been shown the potteries and they don't like it because it doesn't feel homely. Too clinical.
I do suspect the Council have no intention of selling the land, I bet either Ragland or PHP are already creating plans for social housing on that site.
[quote][p][bold]bella99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Is the rumours true that they are having there caring licence or whatever it is revoked?[/p][/quote]Utter nonsense. Mitchell house has won 2 top awards in the last 3 years. It is closing simply because the council own the land and the building ( care uk are contracted to run mitchell house) and the council want to save money and sell the land. Read the original article. Some of the residents have been shown the potteries and they don't like it because it doesn't feel homely. Too clinical.[/p][/quote]I do suspect the Council have no intention of selling the land, I bet either Ragland or PHP are already creating plans for social housing on that site. Marty Caine UKIP
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