New plans for Winter Gardens and Imax site could be submitted this year

Bournemouth Echo: MIX: The Winter Gardens car parks MIX: The Winter Gardens car parks

NEW plans for the Winter Gardens and former Imax site could be submitted this year, the company overseeing Bournemouth’s Town Centre Master Vision has revealed.

The Winter Gardens – which was brought back into council ownership and incorporated into the Town Centre Vision in 2012 – is earmarked for a mix of leisure, cultural, entertainment and residential uses, along with a 400-space public car park.

The Waterfront site has been used as an open-air events arena since the demolition of the Imax but it and the adjacent Bath Road South car park is considered suitable for a mixed-use leisure, cultural and entertainment-led scheme. There is no mention of flats for this site.

Both sites are listed in the Bournemouth Development Company’s updated business plan for 2014/15, which was approved by cabinet members on Wednesday.

The Bournemouth Development Company, which is a joint partnership between Bournemouth council and Morgan Sindall, has nearly completed a residential-led scheme at the former Leyton Mount car park, as well as new student accommodation and multi-storey car park at Madeira Road West.

Its next three projects will be Durley Road, Berry Court and St Stephen’s, which will all be brought forward for development early this year.

The plans for Durley Road are a residential scheme, which could mean care or tourist accommodation.

Berry Court is also earmarked for residential development, possibly including a care scheme and St Stephen’s is suitable for residential or employment uses.

A report presented by the leader of the council Cllr John Beesley said the vision was committed to making Bournemouth more competitive and instilling market confidence that the town was a good place to invest and do business.

“In total over £100 million worth of future investment has poured into the town centre in the last eight months,” it said.

“By any measure this is a formidable achievement for a town the size of Bournemouth. Bournemouth is very much open for business.”

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4:08pm Fri 31 Jan 14

blackdog1 says...

Knowing this council I would expect something like improved cycle racks,cycle lanes,cycle helmet storage,recharge points,cycle repair cabin and perhaps a drop in centre for information on cycling initiatives?........
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Knowing this council I would expect something like improved cycle racks,cycle lanes,cycle helmet storage,recharge points,cycle repair cabin and perhaps a drop in centre for information on cycling initiatives?........ ......... blackdog1
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Richard 1976 says...

I'll beleive it when I see it.. And no doubt it will be a hybrid of all the other plastic and glass schemes that stick out like a sore thumb. Bournemouth is a beautiful town so I hope the plans are a little more sympathetic to the surroundings.
I'll beleive it when I see it.. And no doubt it will be a hybrid of all the other plastic and glass schemes that stick out like a sore thumb. Bournemouth is a beautiful town so I hope the plans are a little more sympathetic to the surroundings. Richard 1976
  • Score: 4

4:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

wonderway says...

see more beaslet bull being spread hopefully storms will wash it away
see more beaslet bull being spread hopefully storms will wash it away wonderway
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Fri 31 Jan 14

UrbanCrab says...

If the council listen to the wants and needs of the local people, and plan accordingly, I'll have to be careful not to choke on my weetabix in surprise. Still there's a first time for everything...
If the council listen to the wants and needs of the local people, and plan accordingly, I'll have to be careful not to choke on my weetabix in surprise. Still there's a first time for everything... UrbanCrab
  • Score: 7

4:35pm Fri 31 Jan 14

nickynoodah says...

You should be on mastermind george
You should be on mastermind george nickynoodah
  • Score: -9

4:39pm Fri 31 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

But will these ambitious but rather predictable plans prove to be of more short term benefit to the developers (and their influential friends) than they will be of any long term benefit to our town itself?

Isn't it a remarkable reflection upon the current Administration and it's repute that most of us probably feel we are being sold something very dodgy here - and certainly not being told everything.....yet.
But will these ambitious but rather predictable plans prove to be of more short term benefit to the developers (and their influential friends) than they will be of any long term benefit to our town itself? Isn't it a remarkable reflection upon the current Administration and it's repute that most of us probably feel we are being sold something very dodgy here - and certainly not being told everything.....yet. muscliffman
  • Score: 14

5:01pm Fri 31 Jan 14

billy bumble says...

Is this Master Plan produced by a bunch of Master Baters?

Love to see the breakdown of the " £100 million inflow"

I don't believe that figure for a nanosecond - unless of course Beesley is incorporating the Licet money - wouldn't put it past him
Is this Master Plan produced by a bunch of Master Baters? Love to see the breakdown of the " £100 million inflow" I don't believe that figure for a nanosecond - unless of course Beesley is incorporating the Licet money - wouldn't put it past him billy bumble
  • Score: 5

5:19pm Fri 31 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Master vision?
Should've gone to Specsavers.
Master vision? Should've gone to Specsavers. BIGTONE
  • Score: 6

5:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

iseestupidpeople says...

So more town centre carparks lost to make room for yet more residential accommodation?
So more town centre carparks lost to make room for yet more residential accommodation? iseestupidpeople
  • Score: 1

5:38pm Fri 31 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

What's the chances of the plans for the Winter Gardens or Imax site being centred around a cinema and restaurants hence Beesleys determination to scupper competitor schemes.
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Beesleys claim that Bournemouth is a good place to invest and do business is somewhat undermined by his autocratic leadership and his dubious record of only supporting projects which come with a high price tag and bad deal for taxpayers and a hefty profit for his property developer mates.
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Lets not forget that in the run up to the last Council elections in 2011 the then leader, Peter Charon made a whole host of announcements about proposed new developments, including the Winter Gardens with none, other than those financed by the taxpayer of Council borrowing, have been delivered.
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No Richmonds Gardens development, No Winter Gardens development, No replacement for the Imax, No Training Hotel, the list goes on.
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Beesley’s Town Centre Vision is all about turning the town into studentsville and a place where the old come to retire, working age professionals and their families are completely ignored. Bournemouth Council does nothing to encourage economic development and to encourage the creation of skilled and well paid jobs preferring to concentrate their effort on part time minimum wage job creation.
What's the chances of the plans for the Winter Gardens or Imax site being centred around a cinema and restaurants hence Beesleys determination to scupper competitor schemes. . Beesleys claim that Bournemouth is a good place to invest and do business is somewhat undermined by his autocratic leadership and his dubious record of only supporting projects which come with a high price tag and bad deal for taxpayers and a hefty profit for his property developer mates. . Lets not forget that in the run up to the last Council elections in 2011 the then leader, Peter Charon made a whole host of announcements about proposed new developments, including the Winter Gardens with none, other than those financed by the taxpayer of Council borrowing, have been delivered. . No Richmonds Gardens development, No Winter Gardens development, No replacement for the Imax, No Training Hotel, the list goes on. . Beesley’s Town Centre Vision is all about turning the town into studentsville and a place where the old come to retire, working age professionals and their families are completely ignored. Bournemouth Council does nothing to encourage economic development and to encourage the creation of skilled and well paid jobs preferring to concentrate their effort on part time minimum wage job creation. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 16

5:40pm Fri 31 Jan 14

John T says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Master vision?
Should've gone to Specsavers.
Why?...When the Vision Express Gravy Train is right on track to be a quick earner for some.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Master vision? Should've gone to Specsavers.[/p][/quote]Why?...When the Vision Express Gravy Train is right on track to be a quick earner for some. John T
  • Score: 8

6:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

High Treason says...

A bus station on the old Imax site. Hop off the bus and straight to the beach.
A bus station on the old Imax site. Hop off the bus and straight to the beach. High Treason
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Old Colonial says...

Residents of Bournemouth be aware. This is one of the Partnership schemes. In essence, assets in the form of land, that you (not the 'council' own, are handed over to a company. A net loss. If all goes well in the future you will receive 50% of whatever the accountants at that company see fit to admit are returns on the initial 'investment'. If you are lucky.
Residents of Bournemouth be aware. This is one of the Partnership schemes. In essence, assets in the form of land, that you (not the 'council' own, are handed over to a company. A net loss. If all goes well in the future you will receive 50% of whatever the accountants at that company see fit to admit are returns on the initial 'investment'. If you are lucky. Old Colonial
  • Score: 6

7:23pm Fri 31 Jan 14

jfonseca says...

The Bournemouth Council seems to be led by short sighted people determined to destroy the golden eggs goose: Lately, several garden and trees areas were destroyed and replaced with buildings.
The Bath Road South car park should be a garden area, including the waterfront site, instead of replicating the ugly look of the west side... and the north car park area should also become a garden -- the Westover gardens!
The Bournemouth Council seems to be led by short sighted people determined to destroy the golden eggs goose: Lately, several garden and trees areas were destroyed and replaced with buildings. The Bath Road South car park should be a garden area, including the waterfront site, instead of replicating the ugly look of the west side... and the north car park area should also become a garden -- the Westover gardens! jfonseca
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Markmag says...

Massive thankyou to Melanie Vass for including the line "There is no mention of flats for site". Bob49 has been telling everyone on here for the past 5 years every single council decision has been leading to apartments here. Can't wait to see his reply!
Massive thankyou to Melanie Vass for including the line "There is no mention of flats for [Bath Road South/IMAX] site". Bob49 has been telling everyone on here for the past 5 years every single council decision has been leading to apartments here. Can't wait to see his reply! Markmag
  • Score: -4

8:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Townee says...

I hope this council don't want to build anything that will obstruct the view down bath hill. They got rid of the IMAX as people complained it spoiled the view so council be warned.
I hope this council don't want to build anything that will obstruct the view down bath hill. They got rid of the IMAX as people complained it spoiled the view so council be warned. Townee
  • Score: 4

8:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

kjr234 says...

Although I'm not a big fan of it I think the West Central scheme should move to the Winter Garden site, so we can get the much needed 'transport hub'.
I know a transport hub is boring but no one can deny that Gervis Place is chaos even at the best of times. The NCP car park could also be used as a hub for taxis and coaches, bringing visitors and residents directly into the heart of the town. Also if the NCP car park merged with the one next door there would probably still be space for car parking (which is also very important). A lot of space is being wasted with this site in it's current layout.

As for the winter garden site, i have already expressed my view. If the West Central scheme must go ahead then I believe this is the best spot as any for it (it is within walking distance of both the town centre and the pier approach) and it will bring new life to this part of the town. Also judging by the design images I've seen for the development (which has no architectural merit at all) it would be an i sore if placed next to the beautiful gardens. At least in this site it will blend into the trees.

Thirdly I think the Waterfront site should be used for a unique (preferably) all-weather attraction. Anyone got any ideas? At the moment the town's best bet is the ice rink which people keep banging on about. I am thinking something in the style of the Cardiff millennium centre? Well maybe...

And finally the terrace mount car park, could be used as for mixed land use. Some residential dwellings, some shops or bars and maybe another 'touristy attraction'.

Anyway just some ideas.
Although I'm not a big fan of it I think the West Central scheme should move to the Winter Garden site, so we can get the much needed 'transport hub'. I know a transport hub is boring but no one can deny that Gervis Place is chaos even at the best of times. The NCP car park could also be used as a hub for taxis and coaches, bringing visitors and residents directly into the heart of the town. Also if the NCP car park merged with the one next door there would probably still be space for car parking (which is also very important). A lot of space is being wasted with this site in it's current layout. As for the winter garden site, i have already expressed my view. If the West Central scheme must go ahead then I believe this is the best spot as any for it (it is within walking distance of both the town centre and the pier approach) and it will bring new life to this part of the town. Also judging by the design images I've seen for the development (which has no architectural merit at all) it would be an i sore if placed next to the beautiful gardens. At least in this site it will blend into the trees. Thirdly I think the Waterfront site should be used for a unique (preferably) all-weather attraction. Anyone got any ideas? At the moment the town's best bet is the ice rink which people keep banging on about. I am thinking something in the style of the Cardiff millennium centre? Well maybe... And finally the terrace mount car park, could be used as for mixed land use. Some residential dwellings, some shops or bars and maybe another 'touristy attraction'. Anyway just some ideas. kjr234
  • Score: 1

8:47pm Fri 31 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

John T wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Master vision?
Should've gone to Specsavers.
Why?...When the Vision Express Gravy Train is right on track to be a quick earner for some.
The train will only carry so much gravy then it derails...
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Master vision? Should've gone to Specsavers.[/p][/quote]Why?...When the Vision Express Gravy Train is right on track to be a quick earner for some.[/p][/quote]The train will only carry so much gravy then it derails... BIGTONE
  • Score: 5

9:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Markmag wrote:
Massive thankyou to Melanie Vass for including the line "There is no mention of flats for site". Bob49 has been telling everyone on here for the past 5 years every single council decision has been leading to apartments here. Can't wait to see his reply!
I really hope you are correct, but I do not think you can confidently deduce anything useful from that comment at this early stage. In fact it would probably be more pertinent to ask why it was felt necessary to include it at all.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: Massive thankyou to Melanie Vass for including the line "There is no mention of flats for [Bath Road South/IMAX] site". Bob49 has been telling everyone on here for the past 5 years every single council decision has been leading to apartments here. Can't wait to see his reply![/p][/quote]I really hope you are correct, but I do not think you can confidently deduce anything useful from that comment at this early stage. In fact it would probably be more pertinent to ask why it was felt necessary to include it at all. muscliffman
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Baywolf says...

Where are the stores the shops..you know the things visitors need to do while in Bournemouth apart from get wasted or barf on fast foods .. Yes a master vision for the short sighted and unimaganitive .and they teach buisness and tourism at Wally Polly!
Where are the stores the shops..you know the things visitors need to do while in Bournemouth apart from get wasted or barf on fast foods .. Yes a master vision for the short sighted and unimaganitive .and they teach buisness and tourism at Wally Polly! Baywolf
  • Score: 0

5:48am Sat 1 Feb 14

Redgolfer says...

kjr234 wrote:
Although I'm not a big fan of it I think the West Central scheme should move to the Winter Garden site, so we can get the much needed 'transport hub'.
I know a transport hub is boring but no one can deny that Gervis Place is chaos even at the best of times. The NCP car park could also be used as a hub for taxis and coaches, bringing visitors and residents directly into the heart of the town. Also if the NCP car park merged with the one next door there would probably still be space for car parking (which is also very important). A lot of space is being wasted with this site in it's current layout.

As for the winter garden site, i have already expressed my view. If the West Central scheme must go ahead then I believe this is the best spot as any for it (it is within walking distance of both the town centre and the pier approach) and it will bring new life to this part of the town. Also judging by the design images I've seen for the development (which has no architectural merit at all) it would be an i sore if placed next to the beautiful gardens. At least in this site it will blend into the trees.

Thirdly I think the Waterfront site should be used for a unique (preferably) all-weather attraction. Anyone got any ideas? At the moment the town's best bet is the ice rink which people keep banging on about. I am thinking something in the style of the Cardiff millennium centre? Well maybe...

And finally the terrace mount car park, could be used as for mixed land use. Some residential dwellings, some shops or bars and maybe another 'touristy attraction'.

Anyway just some ideas.
You are forgetting one thing, this Council DO NOT WANT TAXIS anywhere near the centre of town, they WANT to DESTROY night life, wait until that monstrous idea down on Horse Shoe Common comes on line and you all have to get up Old Christchurch Road to get a Taxis after 10pm and maybe have to push a wheelchair up there, nice one Council talk about discrimination but that's this Council for you !!!
[quote][p][bold]kjr234[/bold] wrote: Although I'm not a big fan of it I think the West Central scheme should move to the Winter Garden site, so we can get the much needed 'transport hub'. I know a transport hub is boring but no one can deny that Gervis Place is chaos even at the best of times. The NCP car park could also be used as a hub for taxis and coaches, bringing visitors and residents directly into the heart of the town. Also if the NCP car park merged with the one next door there would probably still be space for car parking (which is also very important). A lot of space is being wasted with this site in it's current layout. As for the winter garden site, i have already expressed my view. If the West Central scheme must go ahead then I believe this is the best spot as any for it (it is within walking distance of both the town centre and the pier approach) and it will bring new life to this part of the town. Also judging by the design images I've seen for the development (which has no architectural merit at all) it would be an i sore if placed next to the beautiful gardens. At least in this site it will blend into the trees. Thirdly I think the Waterfront site should be used for a unique (preferably) all-weather attraction. Anyone got any ideas? At the moment the town's best bet is the ice rink which people keep banging on about. I am thinking something in the style of the Cardiff millennium centre? Well maybe... And finally the terrace mount car park, could be used as for mixed land use. Some residential dwellings, some shops or bars and maybe another 'touristy attraction'. Anyway just some ideas.[/p][/quote]You are forgetting one thing, this Council DO NOT WANT TAXIS anywhere near the centre of town, they WANT to DESTROY night life, wait until that monstrous idea down on Horse Shoe Common comes on line and you all have to get up Old Christchurch Road to get a Taxis after 10pm and maybe have to push a wheelchair up there, nice one Council talk about discrimination but that's this Council for you !!! Redgolfer
  • Score: -2

11:22am Sat 1 Feb 14

silversprey says...

The Imax site is perfect as is. Brilliant venue for events and concerts. Surely I am not the only one who thinks this. I have lived all my life in the area (56 years) and think it is a tragedy what has been done to Bournemouth and Boscombe. However one of the few good things done recently was the open air venue at the Imax site, please don't screw this up as well.
The Imax site is perfect as is. Brilliant venue for events and concerts. Surely I am not the only one who thinks this. I have lived all my life in the area (56 years) and think it is a tragedy what has been done to Bournemouth and Boscombe. However one of the few good things done recently was the open air venue at the Imax site, please don't screw this up as well. silversprey
  • Score: 4

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