Supermarkets should be taxed to support High Streets, say councillors

Tesco Extra at Tower Park in Poole

Tesco Extra at Tower Park in Poole

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THE battle for the High Streets was played out at Poole council where the “Tesco tax” was supported by Liberal Democrats and opposed by Conservatives.

Large supermarkets should be taxed to help pay for improvements to local shopping areas, says Local Works, a coalition of 120 national organisations campaigning to reverse community decline.

It has been backed by a number of local authorities and already operates in Northern Ireland and Scotland. However Poole won’t be joining the lobby to government.

Liberal Democrats on Borough of Poole argued in favour of an 8.5 per cent levy of the business rate on large retail outlets with a rateable annual value of £500,000 or more. This tax would be retained by the local authority to improve local communities and could be used to reduce parking charges encouraging people to shop in town centres and districts.

Cllr Mike Brooke leader of the Liberal Democrat group said a levy could benefit local communities by £250,000 to £750,000.

“This was a way of potentially generating money that wouldn’t impact on rents and could benefit the High Street, which everyone is moaning about in terms of its decline,” he said.

He said the money could be invested into the local business community to help small and medium businesses survive. “It works elsewhere without any detrimental impacts,” he said.

However the Conservative administration voted against the motion, arguing that penalising large businesses such as supermarkets would not help smaller ones survive.

“We have brought in measures to support small and medium businesses that are making a real difference, aimed particularly at encouraging business start-up and sustainability,” said Cllr Elaine Atkinson, council leader.

She said 750 businesses had taken up a rate relief scheme, Bournemouth University students were researching the town centre and making recommendations, there was a scheme allowing people to test the market in empty high street shops and other initiatives included the Dorset Growth Hub.

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6:58am Tue 5 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

The high street as been Dyeing for years,ask yourself why the big retailers abandoned the sinking ship, and moved th o a place with no beggars drunks chuggers ,muggers .Proper security no traffic wardens litter free pavements,get some one creative to transform high streets into something usfull,
The high street as been Dyeing for years,ask yourself why the big retailers abandoned the sinking ship, and moved th o a place with no beggars drunks chuggers ,muggers .Proper security no traffic wardens litter free pavements,get some one creative to transform high streets into something usfull, kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 35

7:39am Tue 5 Aug 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

Why should the retailers fork out for the high streets when the local councils are making them completely unattractive with high parking rates, double yellow lines and high rental rates. Instead people CHOOSE to shop at these out of town areas because they're easier to get to and have free parking where the councils have essentially forced them out.
Why should the retailers fork out for the high streets when the local councils are making them completely unattractive with high parking rates, double yellow lines and high rental rates. Instead people CHOOSE to shop at these out of town areas because they're easier to get to and have free parking where the councils have essentially forced them out. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: 51

7:42am Tue 5 Aug 14

ben111 says...

And im sure that the cllrs that have veiwed their concerns about the high street have never shopped in a big out of town supermarket .
And im sure that the cllrs that have veiwed their concerns about the high street have never shopped in a big out of town supermarket . ben111
  • Score: 21

7:58am Tue 5 Aug 14

Gastines3 says...

Basically make the Consumer,us local taxpayers,pay for the mistakes and short-sighted of our Councilors and Planning Departments.
Basically make the Consumer,us local taxpayers,pay for the mistakes and short-sighted of our Councilors and Planning Departments. Gastines3
  • Score: 35

8:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

Another Lib Dems stupld idea ,The high st has been dying on its feet for years,.I think its time that empty shops in the poor end of the high st should be put back as homes etc .Pushing up cost for the supermarkets would only backfire on the rest of us ,in some way or another.They would make up the shortfull elsewhere,
Another Lib Dems stupld idea ,The high st has been dying on its feet for years,.I think its time that empty shops in the poor end of the high st should be put back as homes etc .Pushing up cost for the supermarkets would only backfire on the rest of us ,in some way or another.They would make up the shortfull elsewhere, cromwell9
  • Score: 24

8:06am Tue 5 Aug 14

Ophilum says...

These councillors are a bunch of nitwits who Havant a clue other than squander you tax you have to fork out on a weekly basis at the point of a summons and jail, they tell you it,s all going swimmingly but they could not run a whelk store in real life but they can dream up how to rob us by the putting up and introduction of new ways to tax us as this would just put up OUR FOOD PRICES AGAIN so sod off i say
These councillors are a bunch of nitwits who Havant a clue other than squander you tax you have to fork out on a weekly basis at the point of a summons and jail, they tell you it,s all going swimmingly but they could not run a whelk store in real life but they can dream up how to rob us by the putting up and introduction of new ways to tax us as this would just put up OUR FOOD PRICES AGAIN so sod off i say Ophilum
  • Score: 23

8:21am Tue 5 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void. Hessenford
  • Score: 30

8:28am Tue 5 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
Absolutely spot on
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on billy bumble
  • Score: 22

8:33am Tue 5 Aug 14

Preston North End says...

Lib Dems: if it moves, tax it; if it doesn't die, regulate it; and if it still hangs on, ban it.
Lib Dems: if it moves, tax it; if it doesn't die, regulate it; and if it still hangs on, ban it. Preston North End
  • Score: 33

9:06am Tue 5 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....?

Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....? Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling? Franks Tank
  • Score: -6

9:16am Tue 5 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....?

Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?
No such thing as road tax.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....? Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?[/p][/quote]No such thing as road tax. Hessenford
  • Score: 2

9:18am Tue 5 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

Councils killed the High Street with ridiculous rates and parking charges with the implementation of some charges not being in accordance with the TMA and therefore actually void! And now they want to ping the businesses that took the customers that the councils forced away...they just don't get it. And Poole Borough Council continue to rip off those that wish to support the local economy by not giving change at ticket machines. Its only recently that they realised they were in breach of contract over combining day and night charges without notice. It is simple, make the first hour of parking free. They did that in Chippenham and it boosted the High Street massively. Local government just want to balance the books without looking at the bigger long term picture and to explore better ways of boosting the High Street economy. You go and tax the the out of town chains and we all suffer with prices increases, they don't care you idiots!!
Councils killed the High Street with ridiculous rates and parking charges with the implementation of some charges not being in accordance with the TMA and therefore actually void! And now they want to ping the businesses that took the customers that the councils forced away...they just don't get it. And Poole Borough Council continue to rip off those that wish to support the local economy by not giving change at ticket machines. Its only recently that they realised they were in breach of contract over combining day and night charges without notice. It is simple, make the first hour of parking free. They did that in Chippenham and it boosted the High Street massively. Local government just want to balance the books without looking at the bigger long term picture and to explore better ways of boosting the High Street economy. You go and tax the the out of town chains and we all suffer with prices increases, they don't care you idiots!! adspacebroker
  • Score: 16

9:21am Tue 5 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....?

Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?
I think you will find that I complain more about cyclists not having insurance or any form of registration, something that is required by me in order to use a vehicle on the road whether it be a tax exempt vehicle or not both of the above are required by law to use the road, plus of course an M.O.T.
Any way this story is about supermarkets and high streets not cycling.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....? Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that I complain more about cyclists not having insurance or any form of registration, something that is required by me in order to use a vehicle on the road whether it be a tax exempt vehicle or not both of the above are required by law to use the road, plus of course an M.O.T. Any way this story is about supermarkets and high streets not cycling. Hessenford
  • Score: 10

9:29am Tue 5 Aug 14

BH-TO-EH says...

How about taxing councillors every time they announce stupid ideas, I am sure that would raise far more revenue for local initiatives.
How about taxing councillors every time they announce stupid ideas, I am sure that would raise far more revenue for local initiatives. BH-TO-EH
  • Score: 19

9:38am Tue 5 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

By any chance does the named cllr run or has run a high st shop .
By any chance does the named cllr run or has run a high st shop . apm1954
  • Score: 9

9:50am Tue 5 Aug 14

saynomore says...

And who do you think will pay for this through higher prices set by the supermarkets to make up the difference,the customer, Idiotic proposal .
And who do you think will pay for this through higher prices set by the supermarkets to make up the difference,the customer, Idiotic proposal . saynomore
  • Score: 12

9:52am Tue 5 Aug 14

Norman Stansfield says...

Top tip : To encourge people to visit 'High Streets' lower parking charges and restrictions.
Top tip : To encourge people to visit 'High Streets' lower parking charges and restrictions. Norman Stansfield
  • Score: 16

10:10am Tue 5 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Don't the local councillors need to approve the permission for yet another building to be converted into a Tesco, or another parade of shops demolished? Add that to the parking charges and traffic schemes mentioned by everyone else, and it's not hard to see why the high streets need support - they've been shafted by the very people who now claim they want to tax other businesses to help stop the issue. if they do, the big businesses will move elsewhere, and the high streets will still be dead. The horse bolted years ago, and they still think there's time to shut the stable door. The truth is, they've sold the door to the highest bidder!
Don't the local councillors need to approve the permission for yet another building to be converted into a Tesco, or another parade of shops demolished? Add that to the parking charges and traffic schemes mentioned by everyone else, and it's not hard to see why the high streets need support - they've been shafted by the very people who now claim they want to tax other businesses to help stop the issue. if they do, the big businesses will move elsewhere, and the high streets will still be dead. The horse bolted years ago, and they still think there's time to shut the stable door. The truth is, they've sold the door to the highest bidder! speedy231278
  • Score: 1

10:16am Tue 5 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Since when have we owed the high street a living!
In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers!
Since when have we owed the high street a living! In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 11

10:19am Tue 5 Aug 14

Kamikazi says...

I like this idea. I want to start a business but don't have a clue how to run it. I can simply buy a shop in the high street and then get the out of town successful businesses to prop up my lack of imagination and business knowledge.
I like this idea. I want to start a business but don't have a clue how to run it. I can simply buy a shop in the high street and then get the out of town successful businesses to prop up my lack of imagination and business knowledge. Kamikazi
  • Score: 10

10:29am Tue 5 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Hessenford wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....?

Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?
I think you will find that I complain more about cyclists not having insurance or any form of registration, something that is required by me in order to use a vehicle on the road whether it be a tax exempt vehicle or not both of the above are required by law to use the road, plus of course an M.O.T.
Any way this story is about supermarkets and high streets not cycling.
Spot on, same should apply to pedestrians!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....? Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?[/p][/quote]I think you will find that I complain more about cyclists not having insurance or any form of registration, something that is required by me in order to use a vehicle on the road whether it be a tax exempt vehicle or not both of the above are required by law to use the road, plus of course an M.O.T. Any way this story is about supermarkets and high streets not cycling.[/p][/quote]Spot on, same should apply to pedestrians! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 5

10:31am Tue 5 Aug 14

old duffa says...

how can you tax the big 4 more,when they pay fortunes in tax and rates ,and employ well over 1 million people,
ok say you tax them ,who will suffer,then say goodbye to 250,000 employees, they will cut these jobs
council are dope
how can you tax the big 4 more,when they pay fortunes in tax and rates ,and employ well over 1 million people, ok say you tax them ,who will suffer,then say goodbye to 250,000 employees, they will cut these jobs council are dope old duffa
  • Score: 2

11:01am Tue 5 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

Hessenford wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....?

Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?
No such thing as road tax.
Glad that's finally been put to bed then.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]"this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular"....? Now then, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, aren't you one of the anti-cycling mob that regularly bleats on about introducing "ROAD TAX" to cycling?[/p][/quote]No such thing as road tax.[/p][/quote]Glad that's finally been put to bed then. Franks Tank
  • Score: 5

11:26am Tue 5 Aug 14

ben111 says...

I just get the feeling sometimes that cllrs feel they must come up with some new ideas for anything, so they are seen to be doing something in a justification of their own position,,, Catch frase of the year ,, lessons need to be learnt ....
I just get the feeling sometimes that cllrs feel they must come up with some new ideas for anything, so they are seen to be doing something in a justification of their own position,,, Catch frase of the year ,, lessons need to be learnt .... ben111
  • Score: 3

11:37am Tue 5 Aug 14

yet_another_one says...

Norman Stansfield wrote:
Top tip : To encourge people to visit 'High Streets' lower parking charges and restrictions.
Absolutely & you will find better quality & tastier produce at independent butchers, fishmongers & grocery shops.
[quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Top tip : To encourge people to visit 'High Streets' lower parking charges and restrictions.[/p][/quote]Absolutely & you will find better quality & tastier produce at independent butchers, fishmongers & grocery shops. yet_another_one
  • Score: 9

11:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes.
It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers.
Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use.
To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular.
High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
Well said. For years Councillors have squeezed the life out of our High Streets with high business taxes, ever increasing parking charges, acres of once fashionable but usually empty pedestrianisation and lately even more anti-motorist 'green' road 'improvements'. So perhaps it should come as no surprise that they now look to the very successful big out of town superstores they have literally driven everyone to shop at in order to grab even more money.

Indications nationally are that the big store groups are currently rethinking their own positions and may now actually want to return to our High Streets with more modest sized outlets. But I am sure we can depend on our Councils to ensure even this welcome idea is made as financially and practically as difficult as possible for the store owners and of course many prospective customers - who usually use their cars.

However at least in this instance the suggestion is mainly supported by the Lib-dims so after 2015 we will probably hear no more of it!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]Well said. For years Councillors have squeezed the life out of our High Streets with high business taxes, ever increasing parking charges, acres of once fashionable but usually empty pedestrianisation and lately even more anti-motorist 'green' road 'improvements'. So perhaps it should come as no surprise that they now look to the very successful big out of town superstores they have literally driven everyone to shop at in order to grab even more money. Indications nationally are that the big store groups are currently rethinking their own positions and may now actually want to return to our High Streets with more modest sized outlets. But I am sure we can depend on our Councils to ensure even this welcome idea is made as financially and practically as difficult as possible for the store owners and of course many prospective customers - who usually use their cars. However at least in this instance the suggestion is mainly supported by the Lib-dims so after 2015 we will probably hear no more of it! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

11:52am Tue 5 Aug 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

I doubt very much if any councillor can show me where in Poole, near the shops, I can park for free. the closest place I know of, is in my front garden . so that , mr councillor, is why everyone shops at out of town supermarkets. deal with town centre parking and people will go back to the town.
I doubt very much if any councillor can show me where in Poole, near the shops, I can park for free. the closest place I know of, is in my front garden . so that , mr councillor, is why everyone shops at out of town supermarkets. deal with town centre parking and people will go back to the town. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tom_BH2 says...

Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
It was all going so well until you used the term 'Green Tree Huggers', then I stopped reading.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]It was all going so well until you used the term 'Green Tree Huggers', then I stopped reading. Tom_BH2
  • Score: -2

12:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Tom_BH2 says...

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www.youtube.com/watc h?v=0PSyiRXIEyc Tom_BH2
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Tue 5 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Since when have we owed the high street a living!
In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers!
It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy!
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Since when have we owed the high street a living! In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers![/p][/quote]It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy! speedy231278
  • Score: -7

12:59pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Simone567 says...

The rise of the urban planner! The scourge of the interesting varied and dynamic high street. Is there one area in the Bournemouth Poole Christchurch conurbation that looks good and thrives after it has been through the planning department and council officers. The rise of the out of town store was as a result of the lack of will power to allow concentrated development in the high street. Then the planners want us to live in one area. We have to shop in another send our kids to school in another and oh yes we have to live in another. There is no such thing in this area as a useful convenient public transport service. So we need a car. Then surprise surprise we have congestion as we don't live near where we work and can shop and send the children to school. Then they wage war on the car driver. So out of town shopping, offices and living has to take place, so the old high street dies it is called progress. We all made it, we have to decide what is important to us and how we want to live. Legislation particularly planning legislation is the biggest problem as it is reacting so far behind the market and tries so hard to create sterile environments but it is a disaster....... The best form of traffic control is a traffic jam. Nothing moves people learn how to work around it. Remove charges for car parks remove double yellow lines remove the rates bills and see what happens. It will be carnage for a couple of years but it will sort itself out. We are not stupid we learn. But I do not think nanny state can accept that! If there was something worth going to in the high street then people will go. But with all the restrictions on access it is better value in time and money to shop for most things on the Internet. Oh yes we have moved on from the high street being the Center of shopping needs. It is now a quirky luxury and must move with the times like the shops at Boscombe end by Pokesdown where there are no national chains yea!
The rise of the urban planner! The scourge of the interesting varied and dynamic high street. Is there one area in the Bournemouth Poole Christchurch conurbation that looks good and thrives after it has been through the planning department and council officers. The rise of the out of town store was as a result of the lack of will power to allow concentrated development in the high street. Then the planners want us to live in one area. We have to shop in another send our kids to school in another and oh yes we have to live in another. There is no such thing in this area as a useful convenient public transport service. So we need a car. Then surprise surprise we have congestion as we don't live near where we work and can shop and send the children to school. Then they wage war on the car driver. So out of town shopping, offices and living has to take place, so the old high street dies it is called progress. We all made it, we have to decide what is important to us and how we want to live. Legislation particularly planning legislation is the biggest problem as it is reacting so far behind the market and tries so hard to create sterile environments but it is a disaster....... The best form of traffic control is a traffic jam. Nothing moves people learn how to work around it. Remove charges for car parks remove double yellow lines remove the rates bills and see what happens. It will be carnage for a couple of years but it will sort itself out. We are not stupid we learn. But I do not think nanny state can accept that! If there was something worth going to in the high street then people will go. But with all the restrictions on access it is better value in time and money to shop for most things on the Internet. Oh yes we have moved on from the high street being the Center of shopping needs. It is now a quirky luxury and must move with the times like the shops at Boscombe end by Pokesdown where there are no national chains yea! Simone567
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jobsworthwatch says...

speedy231278 wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Since when have we owed the high street a living!
In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers!
It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy!
We live in a capitalist global e-economy, the last time I looked the high street wasn't global. Why should I pay more for goods on the high street compared to identical goods in a super market, I want to benefit from the buying power and economies of scale available to the supermarkets. I think we have to accept that high streets from now on are only suited to coffee shops, fast food outlets and wetherspoons!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Since when have we owed the high street a living! In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers![/p][/quote]It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy![/p][/quote]We live in a capitalist global e-economy, the last time I looked the high street wasn't global. Why should I pay more for goods on the high street compared to identical goods in a super market, I want to benefit from the buying power and economies of scale available to the supermarkets. I think we have to accept that high streets from now on are only suited to coffee shops, fast food outlets and wetherspoons! jobsworthwatch
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

As ussual, any old excuse to increase tax. The Town Centre has declined due to our gready Councils parking Charges. The Council should also remember that the likes of Castlepoint pay huge business rates on their "free" car parks. Taxing supermarkets will only add to the cost of living for those who can least afford it.
As ussual, any old excuse to increase tax. The Town Centre has declined due to our gready Councils parking Charges. The Council should also remember that the likes of Castlepoint pay huge business rates on their "free" car parks. Taxing supermarkets will only add to the cost of living for those who can least afford it. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 7

1:29pm Tue 5 Aug 14

skydriver says...

Are these councillors total fools or are they just playing at it.
The answer is simple, car parking costs, . These supermarkets pay their tax already , unlike some coffee chains!. These supermarkets also employ many local people , who pay their taxes , so why do these half wit councillors want to steal more money from these companies .
As I have commented before, these councillors are not trained to do these jobs, and this article is a good example of that.
Maybe the council leader would wish to make a comment on this remark.
Are these councillors total fools or are they just playing at it. The answer is simple, car parking costs, . These supermarkets pay their tax already , unlike some coffee chains!. These supermarkets also employ many local people , who pay their taxes , so why do these half wit councillors want to steal more money from these companies . As I have commented before, these councillors are not trained to do these jobs, and this article is a good example of that. Maybe the council leader would wish to make a comment on this remark. skydriver
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Tue 5 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

Most commentators have gone on and on about parking (indirect taxation) as the main problem, however, on my recent visit back to the area, I think you should also look at the High Street and it's environment. You don't see quite the number of drunks beggars and other unsavoury characters in the Castlepoints of this world as the cleaners clean and the security move them on, but in the High Street? what a difference.
My wife (American) says that Boscombe reminds her of how the NewYork-Bronx looked in the 80's. That made me realize just how much the area has declined.
Most commentators have gone on and on about parking (indirect taxation) as the main problem, however, on my recent visit back to the area, I think you should also look at the High Street and it's environment. You don't see quite the number of drunks beggars and other unsavoury characters in the Castlepoints of this world as the cleaners clean and the security move them on, but in the High Street? what a difference. My wife (American) says that Boscombe reminds her of how the NewYork-Bronx looked in the 80's. That made me realize just how much the area has declined. twynhamob
  • Score: 2

2:30pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Commonsense? says...

speedy231278 wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Since when have we owed the high street a living!
In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers!
It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy!
Harsh, but oh so true. I used to try & avoid buying anything made in China (think human rights) but it's nigh on impossible. It'd be nice to be able to buy British but we don't really make anything much anymore. Not even bottle caps!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Since when have we owed the high street a living! In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers![/p][/quote]It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy![/p][/quote]Harsh, but oh so true. I used to try & avoid buying anything made in China (think human rights) but it's nigh on impossible. It'd be nice to be able to buy British but we don't really make anything much anymore. Not even bottle caps! Commonsense?
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

speedy231278 wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Since when have we owed the high street a living!
In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers!
It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy!
Am I to understand that you don't look for a bargain, even if you could save £20 by going out of town rather than the high street you would still go to the high street, I don't believe that.
Remember as well that Tesco and the other big three are facing dwindling customers because of the discounters like Lidl and Aldi,
High street traders have had the monopoly for years, now they complain because out of town centers are taking their trade, perhaps high street traders should get together and petition the council to lower rents and rates along with parking charges.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Since when have we owed the high street a living! In the 60s my mother would cycle up and down Winton looking to save a penny on a bag of sugar. Shoppers prefer the convenience and efficiency of shopping under one roof or via the net, how on earth are we going to benefit from going back to being a nation of shop keepers![/p][/quote]It's tight-fisted penny-pinchers like that who are another cause of the demise of the local shops. The demand for ever cheaper goods is why the producers are squeezed to almost poverty by the supermarkets and their buying power, and the reason the independent retailers cannot buy stuff at the same price others are selling it for! And then people moan all our boxed goods are made in China and Indonesia, where labour is dirt cheap. Stop being so mean and support the local economy![/p][/quote]Am I to understand that you don't look for a bargain, even if you could save £20 by going out of town rather than the high street you would still go to the high street, I don't believe that. Remember as well that Tesco and the other big three are facing dwindling customers because of the discounters like Lidl and Aldi, High street traders have had the monopoly for years, now they complain because out of town centers are taking their trade, perhaps high street traders should get together and petition the council to lower rents and rates along with parking charges. Hessenford
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Aldi ,Lidle aren't cheap it's what groceries should cost ,Its the result of a better business plan. Not sure how many shops they have in vaste out of town complexes or high streets .I'm happy to accept they are the new corner shop
Aldi ,Lidle aren't cheap it's what groceries should cost ,Its the result of a better business plan. Not sure how many shops they have in vaste out of town complexes or high streets .I'm happy to accept they are the new corner shop kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

4:49pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Tom_BH2 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.
It was all going so well until you used the term 'Green Tree Huggers', then I stopped reading.
Alright then, Brain dead nut jobs, does that help.
[quote][p][bold]Tom_BH2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Out of town shopping centers and supermarkets are providing a service that people want, they are not the cause of the dieing high street so why should they be made to pay extra taxes. It is councils and out of touch Councillors who are the cause of the demise of the high street with their constant war against the motorist with parking restrictions, extortionate parking charges and in some cases pedestrianisation, plus high rents and business rates to boost their coffers. Green tree huggers are also to blame with their constant bleating about less car use. To attempt to force us back to the high street through taxation is ridiculous, this country has become obsessed with taxing anything that becomes popular. High streets have been consigned to history with the advent of large supermarkets, out of town centers and the internet, councils should move with the times, they have priced themselves out of business, the supermarkets have now filled the void.[/p][/quote]It was all going so well until you used the term 'Green Tree Huggers', then I stopped reading.[/p][/quote]Alright then, Brain dead nut jobs, does that help. Hessenford
  • Score: 0

5:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

aquasplash3 says...

The High Street is dead? Someone had better tell River Island, as they are about to open a brand new store in Bournemouth town centre.
The High Street is dead? Someone had better tell River Island, as they are about to open a brand new store in Bournemouth town centre. aquasplash3
  • Score: -4

6:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

aquasplash3 wrote:
The High Street is dead? Someone had better tell River Island, as they are about to open a brand new store in Bournemouth town centre.
The name could come home to roost
[quote][p][bold]aquasplash3[/bold] wrote: The High Street is dead? Someone had better tell River Island, as they are about to open a brand new store in Bournemouth town centre.[/p][/quote]The name could come home to roost kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

I know quite a few Councillors read the posts on here, and more than one comments. I wonder what they will think of their plan to tax us, (and make no bones about it, any tax on the supermarkets will get passed on to us,) and the response from ordinary people who VOTE!!. Knowing Councillors like I do, they will totally disregard what the voters say as "uninformed and naïve" They think they are so superior to everybody else. It's an eye opener when you listen to what they say behind closed doors, and more importantly, just what they say about the electorate. People have often wondered why I am so scathing about Councillors. The answer is most of them, with a very few exceptions, are self serving, money grabbing parasites who listens to nothing but their own ego. Everybody who has spoken out about this tax has been shot down in flames. One is very shortly going to lose their seat on the Council. The LibDems are the worst by far. The sooner the election comes, and most of them get dumped back into the real world, the better for the residents of Poole.
I know quite a few Councillors read the posts on here, and more than one comments. I wonder what they will think of their plan to tax us, (and make no bones about it, any tax on the supermarkets will get passed on to us,) and the response from ordinary people who VOTE!!. Knowing Councillors like I do, they will totally disregard what the voters say as "uninformed and naïve" They think they are so superior to everybody else. It's an eye opener when you listen to what they say behind closed doors, and more importantly, just what they say about the electorate. People have often wondered why I am so scathing about Councillors. The answer is most of them, with a very few exceptions, are self serving, money grabbing parasites who listens to nothing but their own ego. Everybody who has spoken out about this tax has been shot down in flames. One is very shortly going to lose their seat on the Council. The LibDems are the worst by far. The sooner the election comes, and most of them get dumped back into the real world, the better for the residents of Poole. ShuttleX
  • Score: 2

7:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

ShuttleX wrote:
I know quite a few Councillors read the posts on here, and more than one comments. I wonder what they will think of their plan to tax us, (and make no bones about it, any tax on the supermarkets will get passed on to us,) and the response from ordinary people who VOTE!!. Knowing Councillors like I do, they will totally disregard what the voters say as "uninformed and naïve" They think they are so superior to everybody else. It's an eye opener when you listen to what they say behind closed doors, and more importantly, just what they say about the electorate. People have often wondered why I am so scathing about Councillors. The answer is most of them, with a very few exceptions, are self serving, money grabbing parasites who listens to nothing but their own ego. Everybody who has spoken out about this tax has been shot down in flames. One is very shortly going to lose their seat on the Council. The LibDems are the worst by far. The sooner the election comes, and most of them get dumped back into the real world, the better for the residents of Poole.
Pigs in a trough, and judging by the 'leader' of Poole council, quite literally.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: I know quite a few Councillors read the posts on here, and more than one comments. I wonder what they will think of their plan to tax us, (and make no bones about it, any tax on the supermarkets will get passed on to us,) and the response from ordinary people who VOTE!!. Knowing Councillors like I do, they will totally disregard what the voters say as "uninformed and naïve" They think they are so superior to everybody else. It's an eye opener when you listen to what they say behind closed doors, and more importantly, just what they say about the electorate. People have often wondered why I am so scathing about Councillors. The answer is most of them, with a very few exceptions, are self serving, money grabbing parasites who listens to nothing but their own ego. Everybody who has spoken out about this tax has been shot down in flames. One is very shortly going to lose their seat on the Council. The LibDems are the worst by far. The sooner the election comes, and most of them get dumped back into the real world, the better for the residents of Poole.[/p][/quote]Pigs in a trough, and judging by the 'leader' of Poole council, quite literally. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: 0

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