Walking free: couple who claimed more than £100k in benefits are spared jail

Walking free: couple who claimed more than £100k in benefits are spared jail

SUSPENDED SENTENCES: Amanda Casserle

Andrew Hayes

First published in News by , Chief Reporter

A COUPLE that cheated taxpayers of more than £100,000 in a “deliberate and callous way” escaped jail yesterday.

Amanda Casserley, 34, and Andrew Hayes, 39, both of Spring Road, Bournemouth, were told by Mr Recorder Hall that they “should be going to prison” – but he spared them because of worries about the care of their four children.

Prosecutor Nick Robinson told Bournemouth Crown Court that over more than 10 years Casserley defrauded the state of more than £106,000 in income support, council tax, housing benefit and tax credits.

He said that the benefits were claimed legitimately for around five years, but from 2003 she failed to tell the Department for Work and Pensions, which brought the prosecution, that she was no longer a lone parent and was living with Hayes, the children’s dad.

Mr Robinson said that the pair had long periods of being estranged, largely due to Hayes’ alcoholism and Asperger’s Syndrome, and that was a factor in her not informing the authorities about her change in circumstances.

A DWP investigation was launched after an anonymous tip-off.

Over five years, more than £150,000 of Hayes’ wages went into Casserley’s account, on top of her benefits.

Casserley initially tried to convince investigators that the children were not his and, in interview, Hayes said he was not Casserley’s partner and hadn’t lived with her. They were both charged and entered guilty pleas at their first court hearing.

Mr Robinson also told the court that the amount claimed by Hayes while he was earning was a further £15,258.

Susan Jones, mitigating for Hayes, said her client was a recovering alcoholic.

“He’s a hard working family man.”

She added: “The motivation behind this offence was to provide for his family.”

Ms Jones said that Hayes was “very concerned” for his children should he be jailed. One has Asperger’s also, while another is suspected to suffer from the condition.

“He’s the sole provider for four children and his partner,” she added.

Francisca da Costa, mitigating for Casserley, who sobbed in the dock, said that there were long periods of time where Hayes was away or not working because of his problems – equating to around £15,000 of the money claimed.

Sentencing the pair, Mr Recorder Hall said: “Amanda Casserley and Andrew Hayes, you are both a disgrace, that’s the only way to describe you.

“You have defrauded the state for a period of 10 years in a deliberate and callous way. While it’s fair to say you did not have a grand life defrauding the state, you had a comfortable one.”

He said that the children’s welfare was “uppermost in my mind”.

Mr Hall added: “In many ways I regret this sentence, because you should be going to prison.”

Casserley, who faced three counts in all, was given 12 months in jail, suspended for two years, as well as 180 hours of unpaid work.

Hayes, facing two separate counts, was also given 12 months, suspended for two years, and a curfew to stay at home between 7pm and 5am.

No application for a confiscation order was made and the convicted couple were not ordered to pay costs.

Series of convictions

This case is the latest fraud conviction to go through Bournemouth Crown Court.

In April a couple who claimed years of benefits while enjoying exotic holidays and expensive cars were jailed.

“Shopaholic” Nicola Rogers and husband Bryan travelled to Egypt and renewed their wedding vows in a lavish ceremony over the course of a six-year fraud, which between them reached a total of almost £69,000.

While the couple, of Poplar Way, Ringwood had initially began claiming benefits legally, as both were off work, Mr Rogers, 48, then began to work again.

An investigation by the Department of Work and Pensions and New Forest District Council revealed he was employed by three family-owned companies while continuing to claim.

Before they were sentenced at Bournemouth Crown Court, Judge John Harrow heard that even while confined to her bed through illness, Mrs Rogers had continued to spend money.

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6:29am Sat 26 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

By the look of her McDonald's have question to answer ,reference receiving quite a lot of stolen
By the look of her McDonald's have question to answer ,reference receiving quite a lot of stolen kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 47

7:07am Sat 26 Jul 14

Ayles 10 says...

Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?
Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate? Ayles 10
  • Score: 200

7:10am Sat 26 Jul 14

Phixer says...

Amazing how people suddenly have 'syndromes' when benefits or jail are mentioned.
Amazing how people suddenly have 'syndromes' when benefits or jail are mentioned. Phixer
  • Score: 168

7:10am Sat 26 Jul 14

Sg2013 says...

This delightful couple are a waste of space. If the welfare of their kids were upper most in their minds then they would not have resorted to stealing and risk prison. The truth is they wanted to take the easy route and saw the state as an easy target. Just another couple of parasites.
This delightful couple are a waste of space. If the welfare of their kids were upper most in their minds then they would not have resorted to stealing and risk prison. The truth is they wanted to take the easy route and saw the state as an easy target. Just another couple of parasites. Sg2013
  • Score: 145

7:36am Sat 26 Jul 14

user_name says...

They should have been locked away. What deterrent is there for these low lives if they know they can give a sob story, throw in a bit of a syndrome and add alcoholism for luck, then walk away. Having children shouldn't give them a get out of jail free card. Feel for the kids with parents like these.
They should have been locked away. What deterrent is there for these low lives if they know they can give a sob story, throw in a bit of a syndrome and add alcoholism for luck, then walk away. Having children shouldn't give them a get out of jail free card. Feel for the kids with parents like these. user_name
  • Score: 119

7:41am Sat 26 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work
Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 78

7:45am Sat 26 Jul 14

user_name says...

echor23 wrote:
She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting!
Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!!
I totally agree with you. There are genuine people out there with these life changing conditions. Same goes for ADHD, ADD and the new one , ODD. There was nothing wrong with most of these kids that couldn't be fixed with a bit of decent parenting.
[quote][p][bold]echor23[/bold] wrote: She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting! Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!![/p][/quote]I totally agree with you. There are genuine people out there with these life changing conditions. Same goes for ADHD, ADD and the new one , ODD. There was nothing wrong with most of these kids that couldn't be fixed with a bit of decent parenting. user_name
  • Score: 75

7:46am Sat 26 Jul 14

Gastines3 says...

If they were jailed the State would then have to pay a substantial amount to put the children into care.Often the judge takes advice from Social etc. before passing any sentence. Only hope is that the Benefits Office will do a bit more checking before paying out any more to the parasites.Obviously as we read every day of the same thing occurring,often in the hundreds of thousands of pounds, there doesn't seem to be any regular check-upon peoples circumstances.While the State relies on people to inform them of any changes,I don't doubt we will read of thousands more. Welcome to the mindset of Benefits U.K.
If they were jailed the State would then have to pay a substantial amount to put the children into care.Often the judge takes advice from Social etc. before passing any sentence. Only hope is that the Benefits Office will do a bit more checking before paying out any more to the parasites.Obviously as we read every day of the same thing occurring,often in the hundreds of thousands of pounds, there doesn't seem to be any regular check-upon peoples circumstances.While the State relies on people to inform them of any changes,I don't doubt we will read of thousands more. Welcome to the mindset of Benefits U.K. Gastines3
  • Score: 33

7:55am Sat 26 Jul 14

hamworthygirl says...

user_name wrote:
They should have been locked away. What deterrent is there for these low lives if they know they can give a sob story, throw in a bit of a syndrome and add alcoholism for luck, then walk away. Having children shouldn't give them a get out of jail free card. Feel for the kids with parents like these.
Agree wholeheartedly im sick of paying for these people, they are lucky the can afford alcohol. Its about time the scroungers were given just punishment, sort the genuine ones out and stop the malingerers by a proper examination by a doctor.
[quote][p][bold]user_name[/bold] wrote: They should have been locked away. What deterrent is there for these low lives if they know they can give a sob story, throw in a bit of a syndrome and add alcoholism for luck, then walk away. Having children shouldn't give them a get out of jail free card. Feel for the kids with parents like these.[/p][/quote]Agree wholeheartedly im sick of paying for these people, they are lucky the can afford alcohol. Its about time the scroungers were given just punishment, sort the genuine ones out and stop the malingerers by a proper examination by a doctor. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 56

8:09am Sat 26 Jul 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Lucky *?@/&&/$&'s.
Lucky *?@/&&/$&'s. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 2

8:14am Sat 26 Jul 14

Slapmytickle says...

I feel sorry for these people. They obviously didn't have enough money to buy their alcohol, drugs and go on holiday with their children, which is why they defrauded the system. I expect they should be able to afford university for the kids now
I feel sorry for these people. They obviously didn't have enough money to buy their alcohol, drugs and go on holiday with their children, which is why they defrauded the system. I expect they should be able to afford university for the kids now Slapmytickle
  • Score: 18

8:15am Sat 26 Jul 14

bosco1 says...

The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.!
The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.! bosco1
  • Score: 37

8:15am Sat 26 Jul 14

Boganish says...

I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life. Boganish
  • Score: -105

8:28am Sat 26 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

What a result for them.
Nice people using the kids as an excuse for not banging them up.

Anyway,we shall keep paying our taxes to fund holes like this.
What a result for them. Nice people using the kids as an excuse for not banging them up. Anyway,we shall keep paying our taxes to fund holes like this. BIGTONE
  • Score: 27

8:31am Sat 26 Jul 14

user_name says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
I don't feel sorry for them. They had more money coming in than I do and my taxes helped pay for it. I want a more comfortable life but I'm not prepared to steal for it.
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]I don't feel sorry for them. They had more money coming in than I do and my taxes helped pay for it. I want a more comfortable life but I'm not prepared to steal for it. user_name
  • Score: 73

8:34am Sat 26 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

echor23 wrote:
She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting!
Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!!
There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area
[quote][p][bold]echor23[/bold] wrote: She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting! Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!![/p][/quote]There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area Lord Spring
  • Score: 14

8:57am Sat 26 Jul 14

MMM444 says...

" No application for a confiscation order was made and the convicted couple were not ordered to pay costs ", Well they wouldn't would they, because there still claiming benefits, these two uneducated miss-fits have no brains to make a living, crime does pay, and in this case big style, Why bother wasting more tax payers money taking them to court ???, the whole system is broken, like this country is, lets all just give up, JOKE
" No application for a confiscation order was made and the convicted couple were not ordered to pay costs ", Well they wouldn't would they, because there still claiming benefits, these two uneducated miss-fits have no brains to make a living, crime does pay, and in this case big style, Why bother wasting more tax payers money taking them to court ???, the whole system is broken, like this country is, lets all just give up, JOKE MMM444
  • Score: 38

9:04am Sat 26 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

What a joke of a sentence, Is recorder Hall one of softy Wiggs's apprentices by any chance..........
What a joke of a sentence, Is recorder Hall one of softy Wiggs's apprentices by any chance.......... burgerboy
  • Score: 50

9:08am Sat 26 Jul 14

skydriver says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
So if that's the way you feel, repay the total amount of money these nasty people stole from us tax payers out you your own pocket.
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]So if that's the way you feel, repay the total amount of money these nasty people stole from us tax payers out you your own pocket. skydriver
  • Score: 40

9:09am Sat 26 Jul 14

skydriver says...

Ayles 10 wrote:
Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?
Excellent comment, pleased to see lots of others agree. Well said .
[quote][p][bold]Ayles 10[/bold] wrote: Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?[/p][/quote]Excellent comment, pleased to see lots of others agree. Well said . skydriver
  • Score: 42

9:12am Sat 26 Jul 14

skydriver says...

I see in mitigation, he was a hard working man, so, does that give him the right to steal more money from us.
If she didn't eat so much there is a greater chance they wouldn't have needed to steal so much.
Now , please don't tell me they didn't steel, as they did , no other words would do.FACT,!
I see in mitigation, he was a hard working man, so, does that give him the right to steal more money from us. If she didn't eat so much there is a greater chance they wouldn't have needed to steal so much. Now , please don't tell me they didn't steel, as they did , no other words would do.FACT,! skydriver
  • Score: 31

9:16am Sat 26 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

They just lack a caravan and a public beauty spot to park it!
They just lack a caravan and a public beauty spot to park it! Controversial But True
  • Score: 39

9:20am Sat 26 Jul 14

spooki says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
So being an alcoholic is worth resorting to benefit fraud so you can get the money feed your children?
How about you don't buy alcohol? Or smoke/have expensive phone contracts/fake nails? I don't do any of those and I just about manage on my money. Oh and my child comes first.
It's about NOT using the system to your advantage, using good financial budgeting and being honest.
I don't think Aspergers stops you from telling the authorities your situation has changed for 11 years.
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]So being an alcoholic is worth resorting to benefit fraud so you can get the money feed your children? How about you don't buy alcohol? Or smoke/have expensive phone contracts/fake nails? I don't do any of those and I just about manage on my money. Oh and my child comes first. It's about NOT using the system to your advantage, using good financial budgeting and being honest. I don't think Aspergers stops you from telling the authorities your situation has changed for 11 years. spooki
  • Score: 44

9:27am Sat 26 Jul 14

canfordcherry says...

So the message being sent out is,
If you feel you require more money to give your family a better standard of living, don't work harder or get an extra job, rip of the benefits as even if you are caught you will get away with it and not have to repay any money.
Nice work if you can get it!
So the message being sent out is, If you feel you require more money to give your family a better standard of living, don't work harder or get an extra job, rip of the benefits as even if you are caught you will get away with it and not have to repay any money. Nice work if you can get it! canfordcherry
  • Score: 32

9:32am Sat 26 Jul 14

davecook says...

I have no idea why the judge was worried about the upbringing of the children, as it is, they will be raised to a life of shoplifting, alcoholism, and an understanding of how to get by on benefits, including how to get round a prison sentence after you have nicked thousands of pounds of decent hard working taxpayers money. Nice one judge...........
I have no idea why the judge was worried about the upbringing of the children, as it is, they will be raised to a life of shoplifting, alcoholism, and an understanding of how to get by on benefits, including how to get round a prison sentence after you have nicked thousands of pounds of decent hard working taxpayers money. Nice one judge........... davecook
  • Score: 42

9:41am Sat 26 Jul 14

contric says...

are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes
are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes contric
  • Score: 14

9:53am Sat 26 Jul 14

wadjit says...

contric wrote:
are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes
I Agree. The rich are scheming in a far larger way.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes[/p][/quote]I Agree. The rich are scheming in a far larger way. wadjit
  • Score: 6

10:04am Sat 26 Jul 14

Adrian XX says...

contric wrote:
are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes
You can't evade taxes by an avoidance scheme. Avoiding taxes is what most people who have any money to save do - by using an ISA. Avoidance schemes are legal - the point about some of them is they probably shouldn't be. Tax evasion is illegal in itself, for example when your plumber offers to "do it for cash" and doesn't declare that cash as income.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes[/p][/quote]You can't evade taxes by an avoidance scheme. Avoiding taxes is what most people who have any money to save do - by using an ISA. Avoidance schemes are legal - the point about some of them is they probably shouldn't be. Tax evasion is illegal in itself, for example when your plumber offers to "do it for cash" and doesn't declare that cash as income. Adrian XX
  • Score: 8

10:04am Sat 26 Jul 14

John T says...

Skydiver wrote:
I see in mitigation, he was a hard working man, so, does that give him the right to steal more money.

It would seem to if you are self-employed or a company director and stealing VAT and income tax in a year, of more than what this pair of scroungers filched in 10 years.
Not that I, in any way, condone the actions of this pair, but, I can't remember if, or when, the Echo last reported on a court case involving a similar amount of VAT theft.
Skydiver wrote: I see in mitigation, he was a hard working man, so, does that give him the right to steal more money. It would seem to if you are self-employed or a company director and stealing VAT and income tax in a year, of more than what this pair of scroungers filched in 10 years. Not that I, in any way, condone the actions of this pair, but, I can't remember if, or when, the Echo last reported on a court case involving a similar amount of VAT theft. John T
  • Score: 12

10:17am Sat 26 Jul 14

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
echor23 wrote:
She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting!
Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!!
There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area
Lord Spring,Spring Road ? cogs turning,no bias I suppose mmmmm
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echor23[/bold] wrote: She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting! Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!![/p][/quote]There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area[/p][/quote]Lord Spring,Spring Road ? cogs turning,no bias I suppose mmmmm retry69
  • Score: 0

10:24am Sat 26 Jul 14

boyerboy says...

Recorder = traineee judge for want of a better description......fro
m recent sentencing it would seem the new Recorders have a lot to learn.
Recorder = traineee judge for want of a better description......fro m recent sentencing it would seem the new Recorders have a lot to learn. boyerboy
  • Score: 11

10:24am Sat 26 Jul 14

boyerboy says...

Recorder = traineee judge for want of a better description......fro
m recent sentencing it would seem the new Recorders have a lot to learn.
Recorder = traineee judge for want of a better description......fro m recent sentencing it would seem the new Recorders have a lot to learn. boyerboy
  • Score: 6

11:03am Sat 26 Jul 14

dustbindanny says...

' crime does'nt pay' ? , oh yes it does!
' crime does'nt pay' ? , oh yes it does! dustbindanny
  • Score: 18

11:15am Sat 26 Jul 14

alasdair1967 says...

It makes me sick I have been employed in full time work since I was 15 paying my taxes and national insurance contributions ,and low life's like this steal from me and the rest of the decent law abiding working community
It makes me sick I have been employed in full time work since I was 15 paying my taxes and national insurance contributions ,and low life's like this steal from me and the rest of the decent law abiding working community alasdair1967
  • Score: 34

11:23am Sat 26 Jul 14

Secada83 says...

Lazy scumbags!!!
Lazy scumbags!!! Secada83
  • Score: 24

11:23am Sat 26 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
echor23 wrote:
She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting!
Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!!
There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area
Lord Spring,Spring Road ? cogs turning,no bias I suppose mmmmm
Talking about travelling have some weather beaten faces just moved in by you , I hope you welcomed them with open arms you would not be a Nimby would you.
As long as they have four wheels on their wagons they will be moving on more than these violinist.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echor23[/bold] wrote: She's in her 30s? Wow looks much older! Think the judge must be slightly touched as evidently does not realise that his so called 'worry' over these kids should be multiplied in the fact that he allowed the kids to stay with such parents! They would be much better off in care under parents who will be decent human beings and I'm sure their 'aspergers' would disappear!!! Once again it's amazing how aspergers and autism are used to label children when the children simply need decent homes but slam a label on bad behaviour, usually, and benefits galore come through the door! True autism and aspergers is an evil condition, many victims end up in full time homes and under a care plan yet so many bad parents slam this label on their children to gain money, disgusting! Well she may have been spared jail, no surprise there with our farce of a justice system but she lives in spring road, with no healthy lifestyle, career or true happiness which comes from self fulfillment so I think she'll have her karma!!![/p][/quote]There is only one thing I disagree with your post " but she lives in Spring Road" some of the local twisters of system live in Canford Cliffs for all we know she may be moving on to that area[/p][/quote]Lord Spring,Spring Road ? cogs turning,no bias I suppose mmmmm[/p][/quote]Talking about travelling have some weather beaten faces just moved in by you , I hope you welcomed them with open arms you would not be a Nimby would you. As long as they have four wheels on their wagons they will be moving on more than these violinist. Lord Spring
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

chrisii1991 says...

This is sending a message that you can cheat and lie and get away with it! what a country we live in
This is sending a message that you can cheat and lie and get away with it! what a country we live in chrisii1991
  • Score: 22

12:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

retry69 says...

WHAT!!! on the Slades Farm Estate ? I sincerely hope not I'm orf to investigate with my dog and loaded blunderbuss,report back later :)
WHAT!!! on the Slades Farm Estate ? I sincerely hope not I'm orf to investigate with my dog and loaded blunderbuss,report back later :) retry69
  • Score: 7

12:24pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ryan_gazzan@hotmail.com says...

Ayles 10 wrote:
Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?
You can just imagine his defence lawyer thinking' what affliction or disease can I use on this case '
[quote][p][bold]Ayles 10[/bold] wrote: Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?[/p][/quote]You can just imagine his defence lawyer thinking' what affliction or disease can I use on this case ' ryan_gazzan@hotmail.com
  • Score: 11

12:29pm Sat 26 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

If the judge didn't want to jail them because of their children then a couple of things should be put in place:

1. They should be made to stand up in front of groups of handicapped people so that they could explain why they stole money that should have gone to the handicapped and why they thought their need was greater.

2. Getting convicted of benefit fraud should mean an automatic life exclusion from any further claim on Social Security or until all the stolen money has been repaid.
If the judge didn't want to jail them because of their children then a couple of things should be put in place: 1. They should be made to stand up in front of groups of handicapped people so that they could explain why they stole money that should have gone to the handicapped and why they thought their need was greater. 2. Getting convicted of benefit fraud should mean an automatic life exclusion from any further claim on Social Security or until all the stolen money has been repaid. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 34

1:18pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ken jen says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
If you can't afford kids don't have them. Why should I and every one else pay for kids you have when you know you can't afford them. they are scum.
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]If you can't afford kids don't have them. Why should I and every one else pay for kids you have when you know you can't afford them. they are scum. ken jen
  • Score: 29

1:52pm Sat 26 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

So where can we all enter this no costs 'suspended jail sentence' competition and collect our own nice taxpayer funded cheques for £100,000? It has to be worth a go!
So where can we all enter this no costs 'suspended jail sentence' competition and collect our own nice taxpayer funded cheques for £100,000? It has to be worth a go! muscliffman
  • Score: 21

2:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

user_name wrote:
Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
I don't feel sorry for them. They had more money coming in than I do and my taxes helped pay for it. I want a more comfortable life but I'm not prepared to steal for it.
wake up they are thieving scroungers y
[quote][p][bold]user_name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]I don't feel sorry for them. They had more money coming in than I do and my taxes helped pay for it. I want a more comfortable life but I'm not prepared to steal for it.[/p][/quote]wake up they are thieving scroungers y DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 15

3:15pm Sat 26 Jul 14

cjj27551 says...

What the hells going on with the system stealing money what you me and the rest of us are all paying are taxes send them to prison
What the hells going on with the system stealing money what you me and the rest of us are all paying are taxes send them to prison cjj27551
  • Score: 11

3:32pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

180 hours of community service for £100k must be over £500 per hour, nice rate if you can get it I suppose.

I wonder if the judge could explain what kind of deterrent his sentencing gave to others?
180 hours of community service for £100k must be over £500 per hour, nice rate if you can get it I suppose. I wonder if the judge could explain what kind of deterrent his sentencing gave to others? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 25

3:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

cjj27551 says...

The judge should be sacked ,so if we all could do we get away with it what a great holiday we could have there for i could retire
The judge should be sacked ,so if we all could do we get away with it what a great holiday we could have there for i could retire cjj27551
  • Score: 14

5:23pm Sat 26 Jul 14

SeafaringMan says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
****!
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]****! SeafaringMan
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Sat 26 Jul 14

grumpyolddear says...

'Sole provider for his children' - I think not, we, the hard working tax payer seem to have been providing for them!
'Sole provider for his children' - I think not, we, the hard working tax payer seem to have been providing for them! grumpyolddear
  • Score: 20

5:50pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Jo__Go says...

So Hayes is an alcoholic and has Aspergers, yet manages to top up Casserly's bank account by £30,000 a year from his wages over five years? He must have a very understanding employer...
So Hayes is an alcoholic and has Aspergers, yet manages to top up Casserly's bank account by £30,000 a year from his wages over five years? He must have a very understanding employer... Jo__Go
  • Score: 21

7:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

zoebs36 says...

Ayles 10 wrote:
Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?
So put the kids into care and spend a bit more of tax payers money on an already stretched Children's Services? Idiot do the math.
[quote][p][bold]Ayles 10[/bold] wrote: Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?[/p][/quote]So put the kids into care and spend a bit more of tax payers money on an already stretched Children's Services? Idiot do the math. zoebs36
  • Score: -9

7:09pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Bluecat101 says...

I am more than hacked off with 'kids' always being 'a get out of jail free card' no matter what people have done or stolen. If that is a good excuse to steal 100k then let others claim they have '2 cats and 2 dogs ' that have to be looked after. Most animals are far less trouble than many of todays kids
I am more than hacked off with 'kids' always being 'a get out of jail free card' no matter what people have done or stolen. If that is a good excuse to steal 100k then let others claim they have '2 cats and 2 dogs ' that have to be looked after. Most animals are far less trouble than many of todays kids Bluecat101
  • Score: 5

7:42pm Sat 26 Jul 14

RM says...

Wow! That's really showing these low life scroungers that crime doesn't pay isn't it? Maybe Mr Recorder Hall needs to consider a career change as, in my opinion, he seems to be completely unsuited for his current one.
Wow! That's really showing these low life scroungers that crime doesn't pay isn't it? Maybe Mr Recorder Hall needs to consider a career change as, in my opinion, he seems to be completely unsuited for his current one. RM
  • Score: 8

7:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

madras says...

prison is a waste of money for them, better to 'fine' them equivalent of double what they stole plus court costs. and if paid through community service calculate the hours based on the above at minimum wage. that's a deterrent!
prison is a waste of money for them, better to 'fine' them equivalent of double what they stole plus court costs. and if paid through community service calculate the hours based on the above at minimum wage. that's a deterrent! madras
  • Score: 11

8:02pm Sat 26 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Sure I bought a poster of them to hang on the kitchen door ,to keep the dogs out of the lounge
Sure I bought a poster of them to hang on the kitchen door ,to keep the dogs out of the lounge kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 1

8:29pm Sat 26 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work
But avoid a pound for pound deal
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work[/p][/quote]But avoid a pound for pound deal kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -2

8:36pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Jagkjp says...

UTTER disgrace, this couple are scum and their kids would be better off without them as role models. They should be in prison - made to pay. Makes me sick as a hard working person who has paid taxes ALWAYS. What the heck was the judge thinking......????!!
!!
UTTER disgrace, this couple are scum and their kids would be better off without them as role models. They should be in prison - made to pay. Makes me sick as a hard working person who has paid taxes ALWAYS. What the heck was the judge thinking......????!! !! Jagkjp
  • Score: 13

9:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

zoebs36 says...do the math.

I don't have anything per se against poorly educated Americans but I tend to distrust the opinion of anyone who is unable to do mathematics.
zoebs36 says...do the math. I don't have anything per se against poorly educated Americans but I tend to distrust the opinion of anyone who is unable to do mathematics. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: -1

10:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Chukki's uncle says...

Note to self: Must sort out my tax return and pay HMRC what I owe. Just so pleased that my tax contributions are going to such worthy causes ! Arghhhhh !
Note to self: Must sort out my tax return and pay HMRC what I owe. Just so pleased that my tax contributions are going to such worthy causes ! Arghhhhh ! Chukki's uncle
  • Score: 2

11:34pm Sat 26 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

bosco1 wrote:
The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.!
I can assure you that if you do report it they do sweet fanny adams.....
[quote][p][bold]bosco1[/bold] wrote: The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.![/p][/quote]I can assure you that if you do report it they do sweet fanny adams..... O'Reilly
  • Score: 5

11:39pm Sat 26 Jul 14

O'Reilly says...

ryan_gazzan@hotmail.
com
wrote:
Ayles 10 wrote:
Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?
You can just imagine his defence lawyer thinking' what affliction or disease can I use on this case '
Kleptomania.........
.
[quote][p][bold]ryan_gazzan@hotmail. com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ayles 10[/bold] wrote: Recovering alcoholic, hard working family man, aspergers, shopaholic? What a load of cr*p. They're scroungers who have got away with fleecing the system as do so many more. The judge worried about the children's welfare? They'll probably end up the same way - why work hard for a living when the government will hand you everything on a plate?[/p][/quote]You can just imagine his defence lawyer thinking' what affliction or disease can I use on this case '[/p][/quote]Kleptomania......... . O'Reilly
  • Score: 3

1:31am Sun 27 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work
We should outsource our prisons there really. Make the most of the EU while we're still in it.
.
Their conditions must conform to EU standards so I don't see why we don't outsource prisons somewhere cheaper.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Shame it's not possible to arrange a transfer deal with an East European country .ie we take some odd their people that want to work if they take some ours that don't or won't work[/p][/quote]We should outsource our prisons there really. Make the most of the EU while we're still in it. . Their conditions must conform to EU standards so I don't see why we don't outsource prisons somewhere cheaper. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -1

1:34am Sun 27 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
By the look of her McDonald's have question to answer ,reference receiving quite a lot of stolen
I'm sure she cooks a fresh meal for the kids though :/
.
Hate to say it but her kids are better off in care.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: By the look of her McDonald's have question to answer ,reference receiving quite a lot of stolen[/p][/quote]I'm sure she cooks a fresh meal for the kids though :/ . Hate to say it but her kids are better off in care. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

1:49am Sun 27 Jul 14

justsayithowitis says...

O'Reilly wrote:
bosco1 wrote:
The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.!
I can assure you that if you do report it they do sweet fanny adams.....
Very true
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bosco1[/bold] wrote: The system is to blame, so easy for these scroungers.Im sure we all know or suspect people at it, if in doubt report them, if proved wrong nothing lost, but we all know there out there.!! To be honest the DWP should employ detectives to monitor people who are on benefits and check out there life styles.! and i am not refering to genuine claimants who are less fortunate than ourselves, its the ones that are out to "FIDDLE" the system.![/p][/quote]I can assure you that if you do report it they do sweet fanny adams.....[/p][/quote]Very true justsayithowitis
  • Score: 3

7:54am Sun 27 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Sentencing the pair, Mr Recorder Hall said: “Amanda Casserley and Andrew Hayes, you are both a disgrace, that’s the only way to describe you.
.
What sentencing might that be then, I don't see any evidence of a sentence, Knock out a few kids, dishonestly claim £100.000 in benefits and get off virtually scott free, great justice system in this country, no wonder there are so many scroungers about.
Sentencing the pair, Mr Recorder Hall said: “Amanda Casserley and Andrew Hayes, you are both a disgrace, that’s the only way to describe you. . What sentencing might that be then, I don't see any evidence of a sentence, Knock out a few kids, dishonestly claim £100.000 in benefits and get off virtually scott free, great justice system in this country, no wonder there are so many scroungers about. Hessenford
  • Score: 12

3:36pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Wageslave says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
If the judge didn't want to jail them because of their children then a couple of things should be put in place:

1. They should be made to stand up in front of groups of handicapped people so that they could explain why they stole money that should have gone to the handicapped and why they thought their need was greater.

2. Getting convicted of benefit fraud should mean an automatic life exclusion from any further claim on Social Security or until all the stolen money has been repaid.
Put a repayment plan in place and make sure she works at least two jobs during the day and he can do nights. That's what many people have to do to provide for their family.
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: If the judge didn't want to jail them because of their children then a couple of things should be put in place: 1. They should be made to stand up in front of groups of handicapped people so that they could explain why they stole money that should have gone to the handicapped and why they thought their need was greater. 2. Getting convicted of benefit fraud should mean an automatic life exclusion from any further claim on Social Security or until all the stolen money has been repaid.[/p][/quote]Put a repayment plan in place and make sure she works at least two jobs during the day and he can do nights. That's what many people have to do to provide for their family. Wageslave
  • Score: 4

4:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

The Liberal says...

Adrian XX wrote:
contric wrote:
are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes
You can't evade taxes by an avoidance scheme. Avoiding taxes is what most people who have any money to save do - by using an ISA. Avoidance schemes are legal - the point about some of them is they probably shouldn't be. Tax evasion is illegal in itself, for example when your plumber offers to "do it for cash" and doesn't declare that cash as income.
1. An ISA is not a tax avoidance scheme. It is simply a tax-free savings account.
 
2. Some tax avoidance schemes have been found to be illegal.
 
3. HMRC states on its website: “ there is a big difference between using tax reliefs and allowances in the way in which they are intended to be used, and trying to bend the rules to avoid tax”. It also mentions that HMRC never approves tax avoidance schemes.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: are these people any worse than mp,s who stole from taxpayers and continue to do so perhaps maria miller was there role model or the mega rich who evade paying there dues by tax avoidance schemes[/p][/quote]You can't evade taxes by an avoidance scheme. Avoiding taxes is what most people who have any money to save do - by using an ISA. Avoidance schemes are legal - the point about some of them is they probably shouldn't be. Tax evasion is illegal in itself, for example when your plumber offers to "do it for cash" and doesn't declare that cash as income.[/p][/quote]1. An ISA is not a tax avoidance scheme. It is simply a tax-free savings account.   2. Some tax avoidance schemes have been found to be illegal.   3. HMRC states on its website: “ there is a big difference between using tax reliefs and allowances in the way in which they are intended to be used, and trying to bend the rules to avoid tax”. It also mentions that HMRC never approves tax avoidance schemes. The Liberal
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time Petelucas
  • Score: -1

4:33pm Sun 27 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
It's not what you know but who you know with most of the politicians and they are a lot more cunning and cleaver than this pair of lowlifes......
[quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]It's not what you know but who you know with most of the politicians and they are a lot more cunning and cleaver than this pair of lowlifes...... burgerboy
  • Score: 8

4:48pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
Since when did two wrongs make a right ?
[quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]Since when did two wrongs make a right ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Rotterdam says...

Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
It's a sad fact that there is nothing some people like better than coming to these forums and giving people who are obviously inadequate a good kicking.

Judging from the way you are being marked down, evidently most of the visitors to this thread do indeed think it's basically OK for politicians to fiddle the tax and expenses system. One law for the rich ...
[quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]It's a sad fact that there is nothing some people like better than coming to these forums and giving people who are obviously inadequate a good kicking. Judging from the way you are being marked down, evidently most of the visitors to this thread do indeed think it's basically OK for politicians to fiddle the tax and expenses system. One law for the rich ... Rotterdam
  • Score: 3

6:14pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Slapmytickle says...

Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
Thanks for the support. This is my sister and she's had a hard life
[quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the support. This is my sister and she's had a hard life Slapmytickle
  • Score: -8

7:15pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

burgerboy wrote:
Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
It's not what you know but who you know with most of the politicians and they are a lot more cunning and cleaver than this pair of lowlifes......
Yes but people down vote my comment. All I am saying is that crime is crime and everyone should be subject to law not just the uneducated underclass. I guess the Tories in Dorset are in the majority here and anything they get up to is okay but a pair of uneducated individuals commit crime and you all bay for their blood. Hypocrites
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]It's not what you know but who you know with most of the politicians and they are a lot more cunning and cleaver than this pair of lowlifes......[/p][/quote]Yes but people down vote my comment. All I am saying is that crime is crime and everyone should be subject to law not just the uneducated underclass. I guess the Tories in Dorset are in the majority here and anything they get up to is okay but a pair of uneducated individuals commit crime and you all bay for their blood. Hypocrites Petelucas
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
Since when did two wrongs make a right ?
I never said they did. I am saying if you're an MP on one hand and a benefits fraudster on the other BOTH should go to prison. You misconstrued my post.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]Since when did two wrongs make a right ?[/p][/quote]I never said they did. I am saying if you're an MP on one hand and a benefits fraudster on the other BOTH should go to prison. You misconstrued my post. Petelucas
  • Score: 5

7:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Petelucas says...

Rotterdam wrote:
Petelucas wrote:
Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time
It's a sad fact that there is nothing some people like better than coming to these forums and giving people who are obviously inadequate a good kicking.

Judging from the way you are being marked down, evidently most of the visitors to this thread do indeed think it's basically OK for politicians to fiddle the tax and expenses system. One law for the rich ...
Totally agree these Tory supporter should look in their own back yard first cover ups fiddles and backhanders. Of course the latest
is the cover up of child abuse. These two people are uneducated and clearly don't know what day it is. They broke the law and yes they should go to prison but the Tories on here enjoy giving anyone they consider lower than them a verbal kicking. The class system is live and kicking!!
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petelucas[/bold] wrote: Absolutely wrong and criminal activity. Most people on here berate them as scum,lowlife yet they don't mention or criminal thieving political elite and their expenses and many other fiddles they operate.Is it OK for the Politicians but wrong for the underclass to commit crime? IMHO they should all be doing time[/p][/quote]It's a sad fact that there is nothing some people like better than coming to these forums and giving people who are obviously inadequate a good kicking. Judging from the way you are being marked down, evidently most of the visitors to this thread do indeed think it's basically OK for politicians to fiddle the tax and expenses system. One law for the rich ...[/p][/quote]Totally agree these Tory supporter should look in their own back yard first cover ups fiddles and backhanders. Of course the latest is the cover up of child abuse. These two people are uneducated and clearly don't know what day it is. They broke the law and yes they should go to prison but the Tories on here enjoy giving anyone they consider lower than them a verbal kicking. The class system is live and kicking!! Petelucas
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Yankee1 says...

100,000 pounds for 180 hour's work = 555 quid per hour.

Where can I sign up???

Soft justice. They should pay back half, even if it takes a lifetime.
100,000 pounds for 180 hour's work = 555 quid per hour. Where can I sign up??? Soft justice. They should pay back half, even if it takes a lifetime. Yankee1
  • Score: 0

5:46am Mon 28 Jul 14

hamworthygirl says...

Slapmytickle wrote:
Boganish wrote:
I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.
Thanks for the support. This is my sister and she's had a hard life
So have we all!! my husband was made redundant at 55 after over 40 yrs paying tax and NI we got £65 a week and used all our savings to manage till he got another job. Hes still working 50+ hours now at 60 yrs old and will be until hes 66.
[quote][p][bold]Slapmytickle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boganish[/bold] wrote: I do have empathy for them that they had to resort to benefit abuse, this was obviously the only way they could survive and feed their kids and live a comfortable life.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the support. This is my sister and she's had a hard life[/p][/quote]So have we all!! my husband was made redundant at 55 after over 40 yrs paying tax and NI we got £65 a week and used all our savings to manage till he got another job. Hes still working 50+ hours now at 60 yrs old and will be until hes 66. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 6

6:26am Mon 28 Jul 14

Fuzzzz says...

These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK!
These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK! Fuzzzz
  • Score: -6

9:43am Mon 28 Jul 14

The Liberal says...

Fuzzzz wrote:
These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK!
I have had a THINK, thank you, and am convinced that this is hardly a mere MISTAKE nor even a petty crime. Putting it into perspective, it's greedy fraudsters like this who are helping to destroy the reputation of the welfare state that so many genuinely needy folks depend on. And no, I can't see this couple suffering at all, nor paying their dues – they appear to have got off scot-free, which is why so many posters are understandably irate!
[quote][p][bold]Fuzzzz[/bold] wrote: These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK![/p][/quote]I have had a THINK, thank you, and am convinced that this is hardly a mere MISTAKE nor even a petty crime. Putting it into perspective, it's greedy fraudsters like this who are helping to destroy the reputation of the welfare state that so many genuinely needy folks depend on. And no, I can't see this couple suffering at all, nor paying their dues – they appear to have got off scot-free, which is why so many posters are understandably irate! The Liberal
  • Score: 1

10:31am Mon 28 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

So, they've had kids to rake in lots of nice, easy cash, and when they get caught, the kids are an excuse to not be punished. Take the kids away and chuck these two scroungers in the slammer. They'd be better off without parents like this. I bet they're laughing at every honest person in the land.
So, they've had kids to rake in lots of nice, easy cash, and when they get caught, the kids are an excuse to not be punished. Take the kids away and chuck these two scroungers in the slammer. They'd be better off without parents like this. I bet they're laughing at every honest person in the land. speedy231278
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Fuzzzz wrote:
These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK!
Mistakes are made unitentionally and there was definitely nothing unintentional about this fraud, in fact it was the complete opposite. If the judge had made them pay back what they stole from the taxpayers they might have got a taste of the poverty they were falsely pretending to be in. At least that would have been a lesson to others, the sentence they did get will make others wonder if its worth the risk. Senseless decision really.
[quote][p][bold]Fuzzzz[/bold] wrote: These people have a mistake. They got caught. They will suffer for this with shame and pay a price and pay their dues one way or another and that should be that. Live and let die. They made a mistake is all. They're not evil. Just a bit stupid and a bit, perhaps, greedy. Mistakes happen. In comparison to tens of MILLIONS of others that cheat and steal on a HUGE murderous scale, this is nothing. And YOU vote for some of these people. They are also not murders or rapists. So get it into perspective. I understand that fraud is wrong and despicable, but please, toxic vile comments and thinking do not help or change anything. THINK![/p][/quote]Mistakes are made unitentionally and there was definitely nothing unintentional about this fraud, in fact it was the complete opposite. If the judge had made them pay back what they stole from the taxpayers they might have got a taste of the poverty they were falsely pretending to be in. At least that would have been a lesson to others, the sentence they did get will make others wonder if its worth the risk. Senseless decision really. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -1

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