Minister gives major project to deliver 1,500 new homes at power station site the thumbs up

Councillor Mike White, deputy leader of Borough of Poole council, Spencer Claye, Gallagher Associates, Housing Minister Kris Hopkins and Borough of Poole council leader Councillor Elaine Atkinson during a visit to the site of the former power station

Councillor Mike White, deputy leader of Borough of Poole council, Spencer Claye, Gallagher Associates, Housing Minister Kris Hopkins and Borough of Poole council leader Councillor Elaine Atkinson during a visit to the site of the former power station

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MINISTER for Housing Kris Hopkins MP took a tour around Poole to see the building of new homes for the town’s residents.

Mr Hopkins was shown around the largest regeneration site in the South West, made up of 26 hectares of brownfield land including Carters Quay, a privately led housing development under construction, and the mixed housing scheme on Old School Place.

Borough of Poole has invested more than £30million in the Twin Sails Bridge, which proved the catalyst to updating the area with new homes, shops, businesses and community facilities.

The Housing Minister also looked at the former power station site, owned by JJ Gallagher Limited. The company has submitted an expression of interest to the Housing and Communities Agency for support under the Large Scale Infrastructure Fund to build at least 1,500 homes on this site.

Kris Hopkins said: “It was great to visit Lower Hamworthy and see for myself how local people are bringing the site of a former power station back into use to deliver 1,500 new homes.

“We’re determined to do all we can to get Britain building and a key part of that is bringing formerly used brownfield land back into use.

“And we are doing our part in government, having identified enough formerly used, public sector land for 100,000 homes. So I was pleased to see how Poole council, working with developers, are making the most of the brownfield land in the area to deliver the homes their community wants.”

Cllr Elaine Atkinson, leader of the council at Borough of Poole, said: “The visit was a great opportunity to show the minister the progress being made to deliver new homes in Poole.

“A significant number of these properties have been purchased with help from the government’s Help to Buy scheme.

“The council is working closely with its partners to bring forward housing schemes at the earliest opportunity.

“Our strength and success of working in partnership can be demonstrated by the government’s recent announcement to award Dorset LEP £66.86million to improve infrastructure around the Port of Poole as well as Bournemouth Airport.”

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9:45am Sat 19 Jul 14

mac340v8 says...

'to deliver the homes their community wants'..... Says who?

1500 houses?

Have you actually seen the site? That will leave precious little room for all this open space, retail and leisure that was mentioned in the original plan. Also at present there are only two points of access to this brilliant New future for Poole - opposite the potter's arms, and just inside Rigler Road...
'to deliver the homes their community wants'..... Says who? 1500 houses? Have you actually seen the site? That will leave precious little room for all this open space, retail and leisure that was mentioned in the original plan. Also at present there are only two points of access to this brilliant New future for Poole - opposite the potter's arms, and just inside Rigler Road... mac340v8
  • Score: -6

9:52am Sat 19 Jul 14

Benagain says...

How will the roads cope with all the extra traffic? It is impossible to get into Poole from Hamworthy between 8 and 9am now. Traffic light alley will be impassable. Also, what hope will there be of getting a bus back home with 3000 plus extra people living this side of the water?
How will the roads cope with all the extra traffic? It is impossible to get into Poole from Hamworthy between 8 and 9am now. Traffic light alley will be impassable. Also, what hope will there be of getting a bus back home with 3000 plus extra people living this side of the water? Benagain
  • Score: 1

10:16am Sat 19 Jul 14

High Treason says...

Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr
en a country ruled by the EU.
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU. High Treason
  • Score: -3

11:02am Sat 19 Jul 14

storyman says...

High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr

en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy. storyman
  • Score: 15

11:26am Sat 19 Jul 14

we-shall-see says...

Building 1,500 homes on that site - I presume means an awful lot of flats, rather than family sized houses - which is fine - except that the infrastructure cannot cope as it is.

Likewise public services such as the doctor surgery is already at bursting point. Try getting an appointment without having to wait up to 3 weeks - will become even more stretched with thousands of extra residents in the area - and we also no longer have any NHS dental facilities for the residents of Hamworthy. My family have to travel to Wimborne for their dentist since the only one in the area went private and we couldn't get into any in Poole as they had no spaces for new registrations.

We need infrastructure in place BEFORE we start bringing in thousands more people to the already bursting area - so perhaps the developers should be made to also build a dentist, GP surgery and schools on their site to cope with the new residents needs ..... ?
Building 1,500 homes on that site - I presume means an awful lot of flats, rather than family sized houses - which is fine - except that the infrastructure cannot cope as it is. Likewise public services such as the doctor surgery is already at bursting point. Try getting an appointment without having to wait up to 3 weeks - will become even more stretched with thousands of extra residents in the area - and we also no longer have any NHS dental facilities for the residents of Hamworthy. My family have to travel to Wimborne for their dentist since the only one in the area went private and we couldn't get into any in Poole as they had no spaces for new registrations. We need infrastructure in place BEFORE we start bringing in thousands more people to the already bursting area - so perhaps the developers should be made to also build a dentist, GP surgery and schools on their site to cope with the new residents needs ..... ? we-shall-see
  • Score: 25

11:58am Sat 19 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

"to deliver the homes their community wants.”.....but will they be homes the local community can afford ?
.
I don't think that politicians in all the major parties get it. It isn't always the availability of housing thats the problem but the price. The help to buy scheme may help but it doesn't address the underlying problem that even a modest home is now beyond the reach of people on an average earnings.
"to deliver the homes their community wants.”.....but will they be homes the local community can afford ? . I don't think that politicians in all the major parties get it. It isn't always the availability of housing thats the problem but the price. The help to buy scheme may help but it doesn't address the underlying problem that even a modest home is now beyond the reach of people on an average earnings. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 48

12:08pm Sat 19 Jul 14

burgerboy says...

High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr

en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people. burgerboy
  • Score: 18

12:31pm Sat 19 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

1500 new homes. that will be how many more cars trying to get in and out of Hamworthy on the only road . how many more children will need a school? not forgetting the extra traffic lights to be endured.
1500 new homes. that will be how many more cars trying to get in and out of Hamworthy on the only road . how many more children will need a school? not forgetting the extra traffic lights to be endured. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Sat 19 Jul 14

blahblahbleurgh says...

we-shall-see wrote:
Building 1,500 homes on that site - I presume means an awful lot of flats, rather than family sized houses - which is fine - except that the infrastructure cannot cope as it is.

Likewise public services such as the doctor surgery is already at bursting point. Try getting an appointment without having to wait up to 3 weeks - will become even more stretched with thousands of extra residents in the area - and we also no longer have any NHS dental facilities for the residents of Hamworthy. My family have to travel to Wimborne for their dentist since the only one in the area went private and we couldn't get into any in Poole as they had no spaces for new registrations.

We need infrastructure in place BEFORE we start bringing in thousands more people to the already bursting area - so perhaps the developers should be made to also build a dentist, GP surgery and schools on their site to cope with the new residents needs ..... ?
Except every time they try put infrastructure in place everyone shoots it down at the 1st hurdle. People want new school,houses, Gps etc but nobody wants it built on land near them. Wake up people there are only so many places that can be built on and unfortunatley most of these places already have busy roads etc
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: Building 1,500 homes on that site - I presume means an awful lot of flats, rather than family sized houses - which is fine - except that the infrastructure cannot cope as it is. Likewise public services such as the doctor surgery is already at bursting point. Try getting an appointment without having to wait up to 3 weeks - will become even more stretched with thousands of extra residents in the area - and we also no longer have any NHS dental facilities for the residents of Hamworthy. My family have to travel to Wimborne for their dentist since the only one in the area went private and we couldn't get into any in Poole as they had no spaces for new registrations. We need infrastructure in place BEFORE we start bringing in thousands more people to the already bursting area - so perhaps the developers should be made to also build a dentist, GP surgery and schools on their site to cope with the new residents needs ..... ?[/p][/quote]Except every time they try put infrastructure in place everyone shoots it down at the 1st hurdle. People want new school,houses, Gps etc but nobody wants it built on land near them. Wake up people there are only so many places that can be built on and unfortunatley most of these places already have busy roads etc blahblahbleurgh
  • Score: 30

3:48pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Ebb Tide says...

What a good idea to sort out the support facilities (infrastructure) and have a practical plan for acquiring them (it) - surprising that our Council (and our advisory staff) haven't thought of it and produced public reassurances on such practicalities.

I expect such reassurances will come ten years after they should have been produced, if the sorry saga of the bridge adjacent to the Harbour Reach development is any guide.

I wonder whether the Minister was told that all the occupants of the proposed new homes are currently expected to use the Harbour Reach bridge to have safe access into Hamworthy Park, but since it is not yet built they may not have any such safe access : just like the rest of us who, since the initial formal request in the early 1990s, must risk life and limb by using the dangerously narrow pavements in that part of our Borough.
What a good idea to sort out the support facilities (infrastructure) and have a practical plan for acquiring them (it) - surprising that our Council (and our advisory staff) haven't thought of it and produced public reassurances on such practicalities. I expect such reassurances will come ten years after they should have been produced, if the sorry saga of the bridge adjacent to the Harbour Reach development is any guide. I wonder whether the Minister was told that all the occupants of the proposed new homes are currently expected to use the Harbour Reach bridge to have safe access into Hamworthy Park, but since it is not yet built they may not have any such safe access : just like the rest of us who, since the initial formal request in the early 1990s, must risk life and limb by using the dangerously narrow pavements in that part of our Borough. Ebb Tide
  • Score: -7

4:49pm Sat 19 Jul 14

storyman says...

burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr


en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies. storyman
  • Score: 13

5:51pm Sat 19 Jul 14

davecook says...

storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr



en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in...........
[quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in........... davecook
  • Score: -15

7:00pm Sat 19 Jul 14

storyman says...

davecook wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr




en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in...........
Selling off housing clearly reduces the affordable housing stock available available fro renting. Nothing to do with whether you support free enterprise or not (most people would support enterprise whether private or social). The issue here is not foreigners but a failure of public and private enterprise and due to lack of support for affordable housing from governments of both parties.
As for 100 year residency proof - what planet are you on?
[quote][p][bold]davecook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in...........[/p][/quote]Selling off housing clearly reduces the affordable housing stock available available fro renting. Nothing to do with whether you support free enterprise or not (most people would support enterprise whether private or social). The issue here is not foreigners but a failure of public and private enterprise and due to lack of support for affordable housing from governments of both parties. As for 100 year residency proof - what planet are you on? storyman
  • Score: 12

7:55pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Baysider says...

davecook wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr




en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in...........
Nothing to do with Thatcher? Was it not her government that made councils sell off their housing stock at discounted prices and legislated to ensure they were then unable to reinvest what little money they did raise in new housing? BTW the son of her housing minister now has a portfolio of 60+ ex-local authority houses and 25% of Tory MP's also have more than 2 properties, many also ex-council houses. And you reckon her policies haven't effected the housing market...
[quote][p][bold]davecook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher. Selling off Council houses did not reduce our housing stock, everybody who hates free enterprise writes as if people bought houses and knocked them down. What actually happened is people bought houses and did them up, improving our housing stock at no cost to our councils (or to be more precise, ratepayers like myself). We do need affordable housing for local people, but there is no point in building cheap houses and having them filled with Eastern Europeans, which is what has happened to many of the flats on the old gas works site near Baiter. If you are going to make housing affordable to local people, they must have proof of residency over a long period of time. Having their ancestors on the 1911 census in Poole is a simple way of doing this. That doesn't just exclude foreigners, but also excludes all second home owners from London. Simple solution, but I'll sit back and watch all the moans come flooding in...........[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with Thatcher? Was it not her government that made councils sell off their housing stock at discounted prices and legislated to ensure they were then unable to reinvest what little money they did raise in new housing? BTW the son of her housing minister now has a portfolio of 60+ ex-local authority houses and 25% of Tory MP's also have more than 2 properties, many also ex-council houses. And you reckon her policies haven't effected the housing market... Baysider
  • Score: 19

8:23pm Sat 19 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr


en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
[quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?, cromwell9
  • Score: -14

9:48pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Baysider says...

cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr



en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
PLEASE promise you won't stop posting your support for UKIP Cromers. You are like a walking, talking, cliché generator.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,[/p][/quote]PLEASE promise you won't stop posting your support for UKIP Cromers. You are like a walking, talking, cliché generator. Baysider
  • Score: 2

9:59pm Sat 19 Jul 14

storyman says...

cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr



en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
Oh dear,oh dear
I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised.
Here are some meaningful comments and facts:
1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us.
2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s.
3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world.
4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you.
To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone?
So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly.
Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,[/p][/quote]Oh dear,oh dear I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised. Here are some meaningful comments and facts: 1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us. 2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s. 3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world. 4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you. To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone? So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly. Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes. storyman
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Sat 19 Jul 14

on-the-sunny-side says...

storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr



en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
[quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years. on-the-sunny-side
  • Score: -1

11:24pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Baysider says...

on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr




en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
[quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence? Baysider
  • Score: 6

6:27am Sun 20 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr





en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?[/p][/quote]Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 2

7:58am Sun 20 Jul 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr






en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown!
Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?[/p][/quote]Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown![/p][/quote]Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook. Baysider
  • Score: 2

8:11am Sun 20 Jul 14

MJD says...

Must be an election coming up. Conservatives trying to get some brownie point.
Must be an election coming up. Conservatives trying to get some brownie point. MJD
  • Score: 2

9:15am Sun 20 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr







en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown!
Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.
I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?[/p][/quote]Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown![/p][/quote]Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.[/p][/quote]I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

10:04am Sun 20 Jul 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr








en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown!
Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.
I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch
This is not a discussion about Gordon Brown's economic policies it's about housing policy. Got anything interesting to say about that rather than trying to shift the debate to another area you feel happier attacking because you're forced to acknowledge that the Tories have ruined our chances of a working housing market for ever?
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?[/p][/quote]Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown![/p][/quote]Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.[/p][/quote]I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch[/p][/quote]This is not a discussion about Gordon Brown's economic policies it's about housing policy. Got anything interesting to say about that rather than trying to shift the debate to another area you feel happier attacking because you're forced to acknowledge that the Tories have ruined our chances of a working housing market for ever? Baysider
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Sun 20 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Baysider wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr




en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
PLEASE promise you won't stop posting your support for UKIP Cromers. You are like a walking, talking, cliché generator.
You wont be saying that,When they come knocking on your door.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,[/p][/quote]PLEASE promise you won't stop posting your support for UKIP Cromers. You are like a walking, talking, cliché generator.[/p][/quote]You wont be saying that,When they come knocking on your door. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

5:53pm Sun 20 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

storyman wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr




en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
Oh dear,oh dear
I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised.
Here are some meaningful comments and facts:
1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us.
2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s.
3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world.
4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you.
To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone?
So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly.
Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes.
Well what a rant.My comments got your attention.
Yes I am Educated,Thoe with my spelling mistakes you wouldnt think so.
Lord Tebbit hit the nail on the Andrew Marr show (july 2014).
He said it was his long term view that once a minority group (Islam ) get the upper hand ,eventualy they will take over a country (UK).
The stastics prove that by 2046 this will happen,If the Uk does not change coarse,
You must be a LIB DEM /Labour person.
NO CONSERVATIVE/UKIP supporter would of wrote the way that you did .
I think I hit the nail on the head sir ,And you have been caught out.
Regards and best wishes
[quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,[/p][/quote]Oh dear,oh dear I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised. Here are some meaningful comments and facts: 1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us. 2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s. 3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world. 4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you. To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone? So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly. Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes.[/p][/quote]Well what a rant.My comments got your attention. Yes I am Educated,Thoe with my spelling mistakes you wouldnt think so. Lord Tebbit hit the nail on the Andrew Marr show (july 2014). He said it was his long term view that once a minority group (Islam ) get the upper hand ,eventualy they will take over a country (UK). The stastics prove that by 2046 this will happen,If the Uk does not change coarse, You must be a LIB DEM /Labour person. NO CONSERVATIVE/UKIP supporter would of wrote the way that you did . I think I hit the nail on the head sir ,And you have been caught out. Regards and best wishes cromwell9
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Sun 20 Jul 14

storyman says...

cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
storyman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr





en a country ruled by the EU.
Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.
Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write,
I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life
1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else .
2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.).
3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can.
I could go on and on ,
4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state,
So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,.
I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,.
If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,
Oh dear,oh dear
I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised.
Here are some meaningful comments and facts:
1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us.
2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s.
3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world.
4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you.
To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone?
So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly.
Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes.
Well what a rant.My comments got your attention.
Yes I am Educated,Thoe with my spelling mistakes you wouldnt think so.
Lord Tebbit hit the nail on the Andrew Marr show (july 2014).
He said it was his long term view that once a minority group (Islam ) get the upper hand ,eventualy they will take over a country (UK).
The stastics prove that by 2046 this will happen,If the Uk does not change coarse,
You must be a LIB DEM /Labour person.
NO CONSERVATIVE/UKIP supporter would of wrote the way that you did .
I think I hit the nail on the head sir ,And you have been caught out.
Regards and best wishes
Not a rant but a collection of mainly factual responses to correct the inaccuracies of your earlier post.
Some of us don't slavishly follow one political party but decide election by election on the party we think will best address our concerns and aspirations.
I close here, and will make no further comments on this news item . Regards.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Another UKIP yawn, blaming everyone on EU and falsely accusing those entering the country as having no benefit. Please check your fact (not UKIP's) before you waste readers time and energy.[/p][/quote]Well storyman.High Treason was just pointing out the facts,and he was write, I dont kow how old you are ,storyman ,but let me tell you a few facts of life 1, We did not fight two world wars to hand our country over too Germany,or anybody else . 2 The EU and single currency was a NAZI idea suggested by Hitler.So Germany could dominate EUROPE.(I bet you did not know that did you?.). 3 France is 5 times the size of little England.They can absorb many more immigrants than we can. I could go on and on , 4.One last thing and this is serious.Iff the UK stays in the EU and continues to have open boarders to any person . ,Studys have shown that by 2046 this country will become a Muslim state, So dont mark my comments down ,I challange any one out there to go on GOOLE and do some reasearch,. I dont want my 3 Daughters and grand daughters to have to where the Hishap etc ,. If you vote LIB DEM / LABOUR, with there open door immigration policys, That is what you have to look forward to, So think about it ?,[/p][/quote]Oh dear,oh dear I'm over 60 so I'm probably a bit of an old git like you. Nevertheless also probably like you I don't like to be patronised. Here are some meaningful comments and facts: 1.We shouldn't have been in the first world war anyway. Nothing to do with us. 2 What's it's do with Hitler? Hitler wanted an occupation by force. The idea for a European union goes back to Tsar Alexander in the early C19th. Churchill, ( probably a hero of yours) proposed a United States of Europe in the late 1940s. 3. At least some of those that support your views are elderly and don't like change, many other UKIp supporters are less than well educated or feel disconnected from the modern world. 4 Most aware people realise the need to connect with and engage with Europe and the rest of the world. Britain does not have open borders with the rest of the world in terms of immigration. Personally I like the idea of being able to move across boundaries and would not want my son restricted by your preferred'Little Englander' controls. Your comment on Muslim state is complete claptrap and you should be old enough to know better unless you've been brainwashed by the Mail or Express. Why don't you do proper research yourself - we have have fine libraries and universities in this area and you might become more enlightened and less likely to scaremonger those even more confused than you. To any others confused out there - don't worry you won't have to wear the Hijab though some elderly ladies like to wear a scarf over their heads anyway. Remember those concertina plastic versions anyone? So I have thought about it, I'm disappointed with your comments and think you should have researched properly. Personally I would be more worried about many other things in addition to housing, such a the effects of global warming and the lack of government action on this ( we may not even reach 2046) and the crap bus service we get here in St Leonards and St Ives. Regards and best wishes.[/p][/quote]Well what a rant.My comments got your attention. Yes I am Educated,Thoe with my spelling mistakes you wouldnt think so. Lord Tebbit hit the nail on the Andrew Marr show (july 2014). He said it was his long term view that once a minority group (Islam ) get the upper hand ,eventualy they will take over a country (UK). The stastics prove that by 2046 this will happen,If the Uk does not change coarse, You must be a LIB DEM /Labour person. NO CONSERVATIVE/UKIP supporter would of wrote the way that you did . I think I hit the nail on the head sir ,And you have been caught out. Regards and best wishes[/p][/quote]Not a rant but a collection of mainly factual responses to correct the inaccuracies of your earlier post. Some of us don't slavishly follow one political party but decide election by election on the party we think will best address our concerns and aspirations. I close here, and will make no further comments on this news item . Regards. storyman
  • Score: -1

9:36pm Sun 20 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
on-the-sunny-side wrote:
storyman wrote:
burgerboy wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr









en a country ruled by the EU.
Very well said HIGH TREASON.
WE need affordable and social housing for local people.
We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.
it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.
It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?
Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown!
Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.
I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch
This is not a discussion about Gordon Brown's economic policies it's about housing policy. Got anything interesting to say about that rather than trying to shift the debate to another area you feel happier attacking because you're forced to acknowledge that the Tories have ruined our chances of a working housing market for ever?
Crap ,,, since when has labour ever been interested in ordinary people being able to own their own houses?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]on-the-sunny-side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]storyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Of course we need 1500 new houses. We allow every Tom, Dick and Harry to enter the country despite most having no skills or of any benefit to the UK. So stop moaning about a housing shortage, road congestion, over burdened NHS and schools. You do nothing about it and are leaving your children/grandchildr en a country ruled by the EU.[/p][/quote]Very well said HIGH TREASON. WE need affordable and social housing for local people.[/p][/quote]We do need affordable housing for local people and the reason we don't have enough is down to our own government's housing policies which started with Thatcher; and continued by serious neglect and lack of investment by BOTH our major UK parties since the mid 1980s. This has nothing to do with the EU or it's policies.[/p][/quote]it never takes long to blame Mrs Thatcher. Mrs Thatcher who has been out of office for 30 years.[/p][/quote]It's 23 years I think but regardless perhaps you could explain why, after decades and decades of sustainable house price inflation we've had several periods of boom and bust since the mid 80's and now record levels of house price to earnings ratio? Coincidence?[/p][/quote]Down to "no more boom and bust" Gordon Brown![/p][/quote]Yes well he probably didn't factor in a global depression due to the banking and finance sectors greed and ineptitude when he said that. It's also unconnected with my original point about the long term effect of Thatcher's housing policy but that might be proving more difficult to put a positive spin on for thr likes of davecook.[/p][/quote]I think he copied the ineptitude of the bankers. He destroyed the final salary pensions of millions in the private sector by stealth taxation, and ran up a massive public sector debt. His buy now pay later schemes were a disaster ,,,, could have got better value from Wonga for many of the PFI schemes for building schools and hospitals signed up for under his watch[/p][/quote]This is not a discussion about Gordon Brown's economic policies it's about housing policy. Got anything interesting to say about that rather than trying to shift the debate to another area you feel happier attacking because you're forced to acknowledge that the Tories have ruined our chances of a working housing market for ever?[/p][/quote]Crap ,,, since when has labour ever been interested in ordinary people being able to own their own houses? fedupwithjobsworths
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