Improvements to Bournemouth Spur Road, airport and Poole Port on the cards, as well as other plans

Bournemouth Echo: Bournemouth Spur Road is set for a 'major renewal' under the plans. Bournemouth Spur Road is set for a 'major renewal' under the plans.

A HISTORIC deal that it is claimed will help create 25,000 jobs in Dorset and will see the “major renewal” of the A338 Bournemouth Spur Road is announced today.

The Dorset Local Enterprise Partnership has signed an agreement with the Government for £66.3 million of investment in the county.

The first year will see £23.9 million pumped in, with a further £42.4 million from 2016/17 onwards.

Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access.

Access to the Port of Poole – which is already working on plans for more and deeper quays, will also be improved.

A raft of other projects was also announced. Today, transport minister Baroness Kramer is set to visit both the port and the airport to look at the sites.

The partners say that as many as 25,000 jobs could be created, more than 3,000 homes built and up to £530 million in public and private investment generated.

Gordon Page, LEP chairman, said: “This deal is a major step forward for the Dorset economy.

“Regenerating the Port of Poole and building on the strengths of Bournemouth Airport have been our top priorities for some time and we are delighted that we are now in a position to really make progress, to deliver thousands of new jobs and homes.”

The Dorset LEP Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion long-term programme to revitalise local economies.

The Government says that the deals are “the latest and greatest example of the British economy being rebuilt from the bottom up and sharing the benefits of the recovery around the country”.

Businesses and council leaders have been invited to open discussions immediately on the next set of projects to be funded.

The plans

- PORT of Poole – schemes to improve access, including maintaining a second bridge crossing and completing town-side access to the port, to unlock growth at the port and new development sites in Poole.

- Bournemouth Airport – transport schemes to unlock suppressed growth at the airport, including the major renewal of the A338 Spur Road.

- Orthopaedic Development and Innovation Accelerator Cluster – funding for a research centre of excellence at Bournemouth University to help grow the emerging Orthopaedic sector in Dorset.

- The Government has agreed provisional allocations to the following projects starting 16/17 and beyond:

Bournemouth and Poole College Engineering and Advanced Manufacturing – New facilities for engineering and advanced manufacturing students to help close Dorset’s high-level skills gap in this sector.

- Bournemouth and Poole College Financial and Business Services – Refurbishment of facilities to equip the next generation of entrepreneurs with the enterprise skills they need to succeed.

Cash is welcomed

JIM Stewart, CEO at Poole Harbour Commissioners, said: “The new transport projects will provide critical infrastructure for the Port of Poole and 26 hectares of brownfield land, which will be one of the largest regeneration areas in the South West.

"We are delighted that Dorset has received funding from the Growth Deal as part of the Dorset LEP’s SEP as this link is so vital to our local economy.”

Paul Knight, Managing Director of Bournemouth Airport, said: “We naturally welcome the investment announced today by the government, as we believe it affords a fantastic opportunity for the wider region.

“We believe that by investing in the road infrastructure around Bournemouth Airport it unlocks the single largest employment opportunity in the south east Dorset Conurbation.

“By investing in key infrastructure in this way, it opens up the development opportunity that exists within the business park and we can continue to attract more employers and jobs to the park as well as more airlines to the airport.”

Cllr Elaine Atkinson, leader of Borough of Poole, said: “Poole is proud of its maritime and industrial heritage, but we need to continue our regeneration of the area so that we have a future to be proud of too.

“This Growth Deal as part of Dorset LEP's Strategic Economic Plan will be vital for going forward and we welcome the news today.

“We hope it demonstrates that Poole is somewhere that businesses can invest and grow in for the future as our regeneration of the Port of Poole will continue to help our economy grow.”

Cllr John Beesley, Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “Bournemouth Borough Council is delighted by the news today that our region is receiving funding as part of the Growth Deal in response to Dorset LEP's Strategic Economic Plan.

“Both the Port of Poole and Bournemouth Airport are vital gateway links to our region, with great connections to Europe and beyond.

“We need to ensure we can take advantage of the economic benefits that these can bring and the £67million over six years funding announcement means we can make the necessary investment to improve vital infrastructure, services and transport links, including major renewal of the A338.

“Together these bring long term economic benefits for the whole region.”

Backing from Whitehall

THE deal has been backed by both the Prime Minister and the Deputy Prime Minister.

David Cameron said: “Growth Deals are a crucial part of our long-term plan to secure Britain’s future.

“For too long our economy has been too London-focused and too centralised. Growth Deals will help change all that. They are about firing up our great towns and cities, boosting local economies and driving growth across the country.

“This historic deal means real change for people and businesses in Dorset with big investment projects, including transport infrastructure schemes to improve access to key areas such as the Port of Poole and Bournemouth Airport, which will not only improve journeys for local people, visitors and businesses, but will also unlock redevelopment sites in and around the area.

“In addition, young people will benefit from funding for new manufacturing and engineering teaching facilities at Bournemouth and Poole College.

“By trusting local people, backing business and investing in infrastructure, skills and housing, we can create thousands of new jobs. And that means more economic security, peace of mind and a brighter future for hardworking people across the region.”

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1:25am Mon 7 Jul 14

MrPitiful says...

Great news but more than 3000 new homes are required.
Great news but more than 3000 new homes are required. MrPitiful
  • Score: 8

1:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

EddieVH says...

Crumbs from the table..?
Anyone would think there was a general election coming up.
Crumbs from the table..? Anyone would think there was a general election coming up. EddieVH
  • Score: 39

5:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

FerryFan says...

Maintaining a second bridge crossing - does that mean keeping the Twin Sails working properly, as it is prone to having it's problems..

Good to hear the money is being spent on the roads, very much needed, a lot of people do find the roads into Poole to the port difficult - and some think Portsmouth is easier to get to. (Which having travelled to Pompey from Bournemouth on occasions, find it difficult to believe, but there you have it!)
Maintaining a second bridge crossing - does that mean keeping the Twin Sails working properly, as it is prone to having it's problems.. Good to hear the money is being spent on the roads, very much needed, a lot of people do find the roads into Poole to the port difficult - and some think Portsmouth is easier to get to. (Which having travelled to Pompey from Bournemouth on occasions, find it difficult to believe, but there you have it!) FerryFan
  • Score: 12

5:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

"Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access"

Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done?

I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.
"Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access" Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done? I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme. Bonkeydollocks
  • Score: 59

5:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

ShuttleX says...

£68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it.
£68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it. ShuttleX
  • Score: 70

7:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

Baysider says...

ShuttleX wrote:
£68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it.
Didn't take long for some good news on local investment to be spun around into unfounded allegations of corruption and incompetence did it? How is Cllr Beesley going to influence where money given to the Port of Poole or Bournemouth Uni for example?
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: £68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it.[/p][/quote]Didn't take long for some good news on local investment to be spun around into unfounded allegations of corruption and incompetence did it? How is Cllr Beesley going to influence where money given to the Port of Poole or Bournemouth Uni for example? Baysider
  • Score: 12

7:17am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out. Lord Spring
  • Score: 28

7:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Bournemouth and Poole are already full of empty flats bought as investments so building more, especially on the precious remaining pockets of green space in and around poole and bournemouth is a dirty lazy useless unproductive way to try to make it look as if the area is doing well. The trains are understaffed and unreliable, stations dirty, first class carriages seats are often damp. We don't need more roads or bigger roads, we need a conurbation that can be walked, cycled and trammed around and can be reached easily, safely and comfortably by train. Opening the roads into bournemouth and poole to thousands more cars and lorries a year is a horrible outdated filthy thing to do and the various towns leaders should be concentrating on objecting to this instead of the wind farm.
Bournemouth and Poole are already full of empty flats bought as investments so building more, especially on the precious remaining pockets of green space in and around poole and bournemouth is a dirty lazy useless unproductive way to try to make it look as if the area is doing well. The trains are understaffed and unreliable, stations dirty, first class carriages seats are often damp. We don't need more roads or bigger roads, we need a conurbation that can be walked, cycled and trammed around and can be reached easily, safely and comfortably by train. Opening the roads into bournemouth and poole to thousands more cars and lorries a year is a horrible outdated filthy thing to do and the various towns leaders should be concentrating on objecting to this instead of the wind farm. ashleycross
  • Score: -7

7:27am Mon 7 Jul 14

Red Leader 1 says...

Only one thing will improve access to the Port of Poole and the town's businesses in general - a decent road link to the A31. Rather more expensive than the resources earmarked under this pre-election announcement.
Only one thing will improve access to the Port of Poole and the town's businesses in general - a decent road link to the A31. Rather more expensive than the resources earmarked under this pre-election announcement. Red Leader 1
  • Score: 35

7:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

loftusrod says...

Given the third world state of the local roads this must be good news.
However, where are the 3,000 new homes to be built?
Will they be on green belt land?
Won't this just lead to more chaos and congestion?
Is there room in the local schools and hospitals etc to cope?
Given the third world state of the local roads this must be good news. However, where are the 3,000 new homes to be built? Will they be on green belt land? Won't this just lead to more chaos and congestion? Is there room in the local schools and hospitals etc to cope? loftusrod
  • Score: 24

7:35am Mon 7 Jul 14

folkprotector says...

The more you increase the road capacity the more it fills to capacity. Then, you have the same problems but on a larger scale. Think and plan very carefully: roads to Utopia get clogged as soon as they're improved. Progress, yes. Poor planning, no.
The more you increase the road capacity the more it fills to capacity. Then, you have the same problems but on a larger scale. Think and plan very carefully: roads to Utopia get clogged as soon as they're improved. Progress, yes. Poor planning, no. folkprotector
  • Score: 6

7:58am Mon 7 Jul 14

Huey says...

Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates.
Open up the southwest properly.
Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.
Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates. Open up the southwest properly. Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity. Huey
  • Score: 60

8:02am Mon 7 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

A massive government investment into our local economy has to be great news for anyone and though I am as skeptical as anyone else on the actual outcome of that investment, it has to be wrong to jump into negative mode straight away. Hopefully some of this investment can be used to connect Dorset Way to Wessex way and relieve the traffic on other roads between Bournemouth and Poole. See what plans are put forward and then criticize but don't look at this windfall as a bad thing when it most certainly isn't.
A massive government investment into our local economy has to be great news for anyone and though I am as skeptical as anyone else on the actual outcome of that investment, it has to be wrong to jump into negative mode straight away. Hopefully some of this investment can be used to connect Dorset Way to Wessex way and relieve the traffic on other roads between Bournemouth and Poole. See what plans are put forward and then criticize but don't look at this windfall as a bad thing when it most certainly isn't. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 10

8:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

twynham says...

Echo story on 28th November 2007.
"DORSET'S busiest arterial road (A338) is failing and needs £26 million spent on it to bring it up to standard".

Allowing for inflation that's a fair chunk out of £66.3 million for work which should have been done 7 years ago.
Echo story on 28th November 2007. "DORSET'S busiest arterial road (A338) is failing and needs £26 million spent on it to bring it up to standard". Allowing for inflation that's a fair chunk out of £66.3 million for work which should have been done 7 years ago. twynham
  • Score: 29

8:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

mudefordguy says...

"Transport schemes", "Improved access" - so a few sets of new traffic lights here and there then rather than anything material.
"Transport schemes", "Improved access" - so a few sets of new traffic lights here and there then rather than anything material. mudefordguy
  • Score: 15

8:20am Mon 7 Jul 14

Azphreal says...

How are the jobs going to be created?
How are the jobs going to be created? Azphreal
  • Score: 9

8:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Top priority has to be the rebuilding of the 'Lizard fence' on both sides of the spur road and extending from Cooper Dean out to Ashley Heath which no doubt will consume by far the lions share of the grant.
Top priority has to be the rebuilding of the 'Lizard fence' on both sides of the spur road and extending from Cooper Dean out to Ashley Heath which no doubt will consume by far the lions share of the grant. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 10

8:31am Mon 7 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Unless the local council are also contributing a significant amount of money then this is a pipe dream?

4 years ago £26m was needed just to resurface it, add to that the cost to prepare the verges, protect the lizards again and inflation i'll bet the cost will be £30-£35m now? I take it their idea of improving access is just resurfacing tired old roads because to improve actual access to the airport will require new roads, compulsory purchase of houses and land and at least £100m?
Unless the local council are also contributing a significant amount of money then this is a pipe dream? 4 years ago £26m was needed just to resurface it, add to that the cost to prepare the verges, protect the lizards again and inflation i'll bet the cost will be £30-£35m now? I take it their idea of improving access is just resurfacing tired old roads because to improve actual access to the airport will require new roads, compulsory purchase of houses and land and at least £100m? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 17

8:35am Mon 7 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Someone can't do the maths at government.

Let's say 5000 local people get jobs that leaves 20,000 coming into the area.

I'd like to see how the Baroness can fit 20,000 people into 3,000 homes!
Someone can't do the maths at government. Let's say 5000 local people get jobs that leaves 20,000 coming into the area. I'd like to see how the Baroness can fit 20,000 people into 3,000 homes! BIGTONE
  • Score: 11

8:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

PokesdownMark says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
"Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access"

Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done?

I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.
Are they just talking about resurfacing or about adding a third lane? A third lane would really help because they wouldn't have to close the road when one lane was blocked. (Health and safety requirement to keep a closed lane between emergency/highway workers and live traffic lane. Kinda impossible with just 2 lanes).
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: "Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access" Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done? I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.[/p][/quote]Are they just talking about resurfacing or about adding a third lane? A third lane would really help because they wouldn't have to close the road when one lane was blocked. (Health and safety requirement to keep a closed lane between emergency/highway workers and live traffic lane. Kinda impossible with just 2 lanes). PokesdownMark
  • Score: 7

8:50am Mon 7 Jul 14

carole cross says...

What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole.
What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole. carole cross
  • Score: 10

8:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

carole cross wrote:
What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole.
Rail fares are too expensive as it is with commuters even reverting back to the car to save money, and thats with the rail network as it is, how much do you think fairs would go up if they invested in the changes you suggest?
[quote][p][bold]carole cross[/bold] wrote: What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole.[/p][/quote]Rail fares are too expensive as it is with commuters even reverting back to the car to save money, and thats with the rail network as it is, how much do you think fairs would go up if they invested in the changes you suggest? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 6

8:59am Mon 7 Jul 14

mark.s says...

All sounds well and good, but as with all deals the devil is in the detail, and frankly so far there seems to be no detail in what is planned. Look forward to hearing more in the future.
All sounds well and good, but as with all deals the devil is in the detail, and frankly so far there seems to be no detail in what is planned. Look forward to hearing more in the future. mark.s
  • Score: 7

9:09am Mon 7 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Bonkeydollocks wrote:
"Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access"

Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done?

I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.
Sorry, but where does it say all they are doing is resurfacing the Spur Rd then? My own 'presumption' if we are playing that game is that there will be an additional junction added to take one much more directly into the airfield industrial estate.
[quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: "Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access" Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done? I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but where does it say all they are doing is resurfacing the Spur Rd then? My own 'presumption' if we are playing that game is that there will be an additional junction added to take one much more directly into the airfield industrial estate. Baysider
  • Score: 6

9:17am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sir Retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ? Sir Retry69
  • Score: 1

9:28am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Someone can't do the maths at government.

Let's say 5000 local people get jobs that leaves 20,000 coming into the area.

I'd like to see how the Baroness can fit 20,000 people into 3,000 homes!
She is leaving that to our local Dave to do, he is good at that.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Someone can't do the maths at government. Let's say 5000 local people get jobs that leaves 20,000 coming into the area. I'd like to see how the Baroness can fit 20,000 people into 3,000 homes![/p][/quote]She is leaving that to our local Dave to do, he is good at that. Lord Spring
  • Score: 6

9:31am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

Sir Retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ?
Have drove that way.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ?[/p][/quote]Have drove that way. Lord Spring
  • Score: 1

10:04am Mon 7 Jul 14

beautifulcornwall says...

The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath.
Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents.
In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27.
The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles.
Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.
The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath. Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents. In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27. The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles. Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent. beautifulcornwall
  • Score: 20

10:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

504gld says...

"Access to the Port of Poole – which is already working on plans for more and deeper quays, will also be improved. "......

Forgive me for pointing out, but the rail link to port of Poole is now closed and derelict, it would of make far more sense to upgrade it and build a new Poole Quay railway station to give travelers through passage on one ticket to the Channel Islands and France, much like you can from any UK station to Dublin/Belfast - Sailrail which are always heavily subscribed.

As for the airport, does this mean Bournemouth Council will actually take some interest in it, as if you have ever tried to talk to them about it, you'll get brushed off because its actually in Christchurch......
"Access to the Port of Poole – which is already working on plans for more and deeper quays, will also be improved. "...... Forgive me for pointing out, but the rail link to port of Poole is now closed and derelict, it would of make far more sense to upgrade it and build a new Poole Quay railway station to give travelers through passage on one ticket to the Channel Islands and France, much like you can from any UK station to Dublin/Belfast - Sailrail which are always heavily subscribed. As for the airport, does this mean Bournemouth Council will actually take some interest in it, as if you have ever tried to talk to them about it, you'll get brushed off because its actually in Christchurch...... 504gld
  • Score: 10

10:15am Mon 7 Jul 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport.

And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.
A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport. And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: 6

10:27am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sir Retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Sir Retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ?
Have drove that way.
Very good, but your comedy talent will be wasted on most I fear :) Enjoyed the comment on the bonfire letter,by the way .
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]Do you still walk your cows that way to market then ?[/p][/quote]Have drove that way.[/p][/quote]Very good, but your comedy talent will be wasted on most I fear :) Enjoyed the comment on the bonfire letter,by the way . Sir Retry69
  • Score: 0

10:33am Mon 7 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

If they want to improve business at the airport, they might want to get rid of the drop-off fee!
If they want to improve business at the airport, they might want to get rid of the drop-off fee! speedy231278
  • Score: 27

10:51am Mon 7 Jul 14

sixhundred says...

Of course I welcome any investment in the area. It's to be applauded. The challenge will be to get best value for money. On the grand scheme of things it's not a huge amount. Any infrastructure projects tend to be very costly. It certainly won't cover a 3rd lane on the Spur Road or any major structural work for better airport access. I hope however decides these things can find the best value and make the most of the money rather than fritter it away.

Fingers crossed.
Of course I welcome any investment in the area. It's to be applauded. The challenge will be to get best value for money. On the grand scheme of things it's not a huge amount. Any infrastructure projects tend to be very costly. It certainly won't cover a 3rd lane on the Spur Road or any major structural work for better airport access. I hope however decides these things can find the best value and make the most of the money rather than fritter it away. Fingers crossed. sixhundred
  • Score: 6

11:11am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport.

And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.
The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport. And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.[/p][/quote]The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation Lord Spring
  • Score: 1

11:14am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

speedy231278 wrote:
If they want to improve business at the airport, they might want to get rid of the drop-off fee!
Do cyclist pay ?
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: If they want to improve business at the airport, they might want to get rid of the drop-off fee![/p][/quote]Do cyclist pay ? Lord Spring
  • Score: -3

11:23am Mon 7 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote:
A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport.

And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.
The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation
Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways. Chris@bournemouth obviously spent too long playing with a hotwheels set as a lad and wants to live this out as an adult by putting roads all over the county just like the flippin nuisance those tracks used to be all over the living room. And these LEP people are no better.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport. And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.[/p][/quote]The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways. Chris@bournemouth obviously spent too long playing with a hotwheels set as a lad and wants to live this out as an adult by putting roads all over the county just like the flippin nuisance those tracks used to be all over the living room. And these LEP people are no better. ashleycross
  • Score: -8

11:46am Mon 7 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

beautifulcornwall wrote:
The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath.
Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents.
In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27.
The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles.
Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.
Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?
[quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath. Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents. In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27. The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles. Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.[/p][/quote]Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 4

11:55am Mon 7 Jul 14

P Barker says...

25,000 jobs - total rubbish.
25,000 jobs - total rubbish. P Barker
  • Score: 9

12:09pm Mon 7 Jul 14

nickynoodah says...

You need a toll putting on your new bridge
also any new roads or cycle paths toll em same as in Poland
bring Dorset up to date
there isn't one decent road in Dorset that I know
they got better roads in Mogadishu
You need a toll putting on your new bridge also any new roads or cycle paths toll em same as in Poland bring Dorset up to date there isn't one decent road in Dorset that I know they got better roads in Mogadishu nickynoodah
  • Score: -6

12:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

beautifulcornwall says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
beautifulcornwall wrote:
The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath.
Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents.
In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27.
The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles.
Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.
Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?
I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did.
I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place.
The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago.
I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition.
I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents
I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath. Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents. In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27. The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles. Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.[/p][/quote]Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?[/p][/quote]I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did. I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place. The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago. I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition. I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years. beautifulcornwall
  • Score: 9

12:18pm Mon 7 Jul 14

gileto says...

Huey wrote:
Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates.
Open up the southwest properly.
Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.
Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates. Open up the southwest properly. Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.[/p][/quote]Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled.. gileto
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

gileto wrote:
Huey wrote:
Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates.
Open up the southwest properly.
Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.
Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..
No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand.
The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area.
[quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates. Open up the southwest properly. Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.[/p][/quote]Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..[/p][/quote]No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand. The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area. Hessenford
  • Score: 16

12:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Bonkeydollocks says...

Baysider wrote:
Bonkeydollocks wrote:
"Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access"

Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done?

I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.
Sorry, but where does it say all they are doing is resurfacing the Spur Rd then? My own 'presumption' if we are playing that game is that there will be an additional junction added to take one much more directly into the airfield industrial estate.
Ok, so taking your presumtion then - how will an additional junction "unlock" growth then? So there are thousands of jobs in the pipeline with companies just holding back recruiting whilst awaiting a new junction with the Spur Road to be built? That may take 3-5 minutes of a journey time? I don't think so..
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bonkeydollocks[/bold] wrote: "Crucially, a key part of the plan will see the long-awaited revamp of the A338 as part of a scheme to “unlock” growth at Bournemouth Airport and its business parks, which suffer from poor access" Difficult to see how simply renewing a road (presumably this is simply resurfacing the A338 Spur Road) and improving some access from Blackwater Junction will "unlock" growth? Is growth really being held held back because the Spur Road needs resurfacing and there are thousands of jobs just waiting to be created once this is done? I think not - this seems to be spin in the extreme.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but where does it say all they are doing is resurfacing the Spur Rd then? My own 'presumption' if we are playing that game is that there will be an additional junction added to take one much more directly into the airfield industrial estate.[/p][/quote]Ok, so taking your presumtion then - how will an additional junction "unlock" growth then? So there are thousands of jobs in the pipeline with companies just holding back recruiting whilst awaiting a new junction with the Spur Road to be built? That may take 3-5 minutes of a journey time? I don't think so.. Bonkeydollocks
  • Score: 13

12:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

I'm disappointed, there are no real comments slagging off cyclists. What is wrong!?

Lets hope this investment does have a positive impact and it isn't wasted. Maybe big schemes like this should have their accounts available to see online in near real-time, so they can be scrutinised by anyone (not that I would have a clue on how much things cost when it comes to building a road)
I'm disappointed, there are no real comments slagging off cyclists. What is wrong!? Lets hope this investment does have a positive impact and it isn't wasted. Maybe big schemes like this should have their accounts available to see online in near real-time, so they can be scrutinised by anyone (not that I would have a clue on how much things cost when it comes to building a road) bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

nosuchluck54 says...

nickynoodah wrote:
You need a toll putting on your new bridge
also any new roads or cycle paths toll em same as in Poland
bring Dorset up to date
there isn't one decent road in Dorset that I know
they got better roads in Mogadishu
There is already a troll at iford bridge that's enough thank you
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: You need a toll putting on your new bridge also any new roads or cycle paths toll em same as in Poland bring Dorset up to date there isn't one decent road in Dorset that I know they got better roads in Mogadishu[/p][/quote]There is already a troll at iford bridge that's enough thank you nosuchluck54
  • Score: 2

1:39pm Mon 7 Jul 14

WHYNOT says...

beautifulcornwall wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
beautifulcornwall wrote:
The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath.
Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents.
In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27.
The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles.
Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.
Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?
I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did.
I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place.
The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago.
I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition.
I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents
I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years.
ha ha you say the spur road doesn't need any work done on it, then you say the last time you last used it was 18 months ago so how do you know it doesn't need any work ? can you see it from beautifulcornwall ?
[quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath. Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents. In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27. The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles. Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.[/p][/quote]Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?[/p][/quote]I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did. I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place. The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago. I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition. I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years.[/p][/quote]ha ha you say the spur road doesn't need any work done on it, then you say the last time you last used it was 18 months ago so how do you know it doesn't need any work ? can you see it from beautifulcornwall ? WHYNOT
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Mon 7 Jul 14

H2o-hara says...

No sign of a monorail then .
No sign of a monorail then . H2o-hara
  • Score: 26

2:14pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mark.s says...

H2o-hara wrote:
No sign of a monorail then .
I hope I'm not the only one thinking of The Simpsons episode here...

Anyway - improvements to the A338 and/or A31 are welcome - but anything short of making it a motorway is not going to do much good.

This is purely circumstantial and based on my own judgements whilst driving up and down the country, but I bet there are motorways into towns elsewhere (smaller than our conurbation) that are far, far less used than our own spur road. I wouldn't mind seeing those stats if they could be produced by the highways agency.

And I hear the various posters thoughts on improving the public transport links, and yes in an ideal world we'd do that as well. Bournemouth central station is tired and dilapidated. And Let's face it, the train is only remotely useful if you're off to or down from London, coming/going in any other direction is hard work.

The argument about increasing road capacity only encouraging more road use I find a bit like sticking your head in the sand. Car use is going to slowly increase whether we improve the A338 or not, just as car use has done over decades. We've just got to bring the A338 and A31 up to standard following decades of neglect.

And then of course we get into the argument about how best to direct traffic in and around the conurbation when it gets here. If we ever could somehow link the Wessex way and Dorset way, that would be fantastic. But considering all the development over decades that as occurred between the two roads, it's probably just a pipe dream.

Currently we give drivers a dual carriageway through Bournemouth, and then when it gets near Poole we just say 'F it, they'll find their own way' - causing chaos through Parkstone/Branksome/
Wallisdown etc.
[quote][p][bold]H2o-hara[/bold] wrote: No sign of a monorail then .[/p][/quote]I hope I'm not the only one thinking of The Simpsons episode here... Anyway - improvements to the A338 and/or A31 are welcome - but anything short of making it a motorway is not going to do much good. This is purely circumstantial and based on my own judgements whilst driving up and down the country, but I bet there are motorways into towns elsewhere (smaller than our conurbation) that are far, far less used than our own spur road. I wouldn't mind seeing those stats if they could be produced by the highways agency. And I hear the various posters thoughts on improving the public transport links, and yes in an ideal world we'd do that as well. Bournemouth central station is tired and dilapidated. And Let's face it, the train is only remotely useful if you're off to or down from London, coming/going in any other direction is hard work. The argument about increasing road capacity only encouraging more road use I find a bit like sticking your head in the sand. Car use is going to slowly increase whether we improve the A338 or not, just as car use has done over decades. We've just got to bring the A338 and A31 up to standard following decades of neglect. And then of course we get into the argument about how best to direct traffic in and around the conurbation when it gets here. If we ever could somehow link the Wessex way and Dorset way, that would be fantastic. But considering all the development over decades that as occurred between the two roads, it's probably just a pipe dream. Currently we give drivers a dual carriageway through Bournemouth, and then when it gets near Poole we just say 'F it, they'll find their own way' - causing chaos through Parkstone/Branksome/ Wallisdown etc. mark.s
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

GusBmth says...

I think the headline should have been 'Major disappointment for local area'
The Draft Strategic Economic Plan for Dorset

http://www.dorsetlep
.co.uk/assets/About-
Us/Publications/Draf
t-Economic-Plan/Dors
et-SEP-Draft.pdf

called for £89.6m of infrastructure investment to allow full development of Bournemouth Airport. The proposed infrastructure schemes are:
 A338 Spur Road improvements
 Bournemouth Airport Access
 Blackwater Interchange
 Wessex Fields Package (formerly Castle Lane East)
 Conurbation-wide key junction improvements
 A338 widening Cooperdean to Blackwater
 A31 Ringwood widening
 Airport internal link road
 A31 Ameysford to Merley dualling

Given the strategic nature of the A338 to the area, the Plan warned that without 'concentrated investment' in improving the road that 'users of the A338 will suffer severe disruption whilst incremental improvement take place over the next 7 years'.

Given the £66.3m of total funding announced, it appears that the Dorset LEP have failed to secure the necessary funding for a 'concentrated investment' and that in the words of the Draft Economic Plan 'this will both restrict the development potential and attractiveness of the Airport as an employment site and an international gateway. '

Over the coming days and weeks, perhaps the Echo could drill down into the detail of these plans, so that residents are better informed as to what has been - and importantly what has not been - funded; and what that means for the area. I fear that this is a very disappointing outcome for the area being given a positive spin.
I think the headline should have been 'Major disappointment for local area' The Draft Strategic Economic Plan for Dorset http://www.dorsetlep .co.uk/assets/About- Us/Publications/Draf t-Economic-Plan/Dors et-SEP-Draft.pdf called for £89.6m of infrastructure investment to allow full development of Bournemouth Airport. The proposed infrastructure schemes are:  A338 Spur Road improvements  Bournemouth Airport Access  Blackwater Interchange  Wessex Fields Package (formerly Castle Lane East)  Conurbation-wide key junction improvements  A338 widening Cooperdean to Blackwater  A31 Ringwood widening  Airport internal link road  A31 Ameysford to Merley dualling Given the strategic nature of the A338 to the area, the Plan warned that without 'concentrated investment' in improving the road that 'users of the A338 will suffer severe disruption whilst incremental improvement take place over the next 7 years'. Given the £66.3m of total funding announced, it appears that the Dorset LEP have failed to secure the necessary funding for a 'concentrated investment' and that in the words of the Draft Economic Plan 'this will both restrict the development potential and attractiveness of the Airport as an employment site and an international gateway. ' Over the coming days and weeks, perhaps the Echo could drill down into the detail of these plans, so that residents are better informed as to what has been - and importantly what has not been - funded; and what that means for the area. I fear that this is a very disappointing outcome for the area being given a positive spin. GusBmth
  • Score: 10

2:32pm Mon 7 Jul 14

rayc says...

This scheme and the Three Town Travel Project. We are blessed
This scheme and the Three Town Travel Project. We are blessed rayc
  • Score: 6

2:37pm Mon 7 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Before anyone gets too excited and starts thinking their house will be worth more as Bournemouth becomes a business hub, what will happen is the spur road will get resurfaced, something that should have been done years ago using the money that the council have been stock piling or invested/lost in Icelandic banks, and we'll get a sign like the one Poole council have put up on the approach to the Holes Bay roundabout, so that we can be reminded not to drink and drive, watch out for bikers and to car share. It will also alert holiday makers which car parks are closed due to the travellers moving in, another problem they haven't sorted out!
Before anyone gets too excited and starts thinking their house will be worth more as Bournemouth becomes a business hub, what will happen is the spur road will get resurfaced, something that should have been done years ago using the money that the council have been stock piling or invested/lost in Icelandic banks, and we'll get a sign like the one Poole council have put up on the approach to the Holes Bay roundabout, so that we can be reminded not to drink and drive, watch out for bikers and to car share. It will also alert holiday makers which car parks are closed due to the travellers moving in, another problem they haven't sorted out! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 10

4:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Townee says...

Perhaps they will improve the St. Paul's roundabout so that every five minutes the lights don't change and stop the traffic onto the roundabout. While they are at it open the road from the station onto Lansdowne road to all traffic not just buses and taxis. We all pay to use the roads and that should mean ALL THE ROADS.
Perhaps they will improve the St. Paul's roundabout so that every five minutes the lights don't change and stop the traffic onto the roundabout. While they are at it open the road from the station onto Lansdowne road to all traffic not just buses and taxis. We all pay to use the roads and that should mean ALL THE ROADS. Townee
  • Score: 1

5:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Jetwasher says...

Baysider wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
£68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it.
Didn't take long for some good news on local investment to be spun around into unfounded allegations of corruption and incompetence did it? How is Cllr Beesley going to influence where money given to the Port of Poole or Bournemouth Uni for example?
hes as bent as a nine bob note !
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: £68 million may sound like a lot, but by the time Mr Beesely has passed on some of it to his friends the "consultants" we will then see how far it goes. Tighten your belts ladies and gents, I can see us tax payers having to bail out the cost of these "wonderful" schemes. Call me cynical, but Bournemouth Council have done nothing to make me believe they know what they are doing. They hold their meetings, nod wisely when told to do so (as if they actually understood what they have just heard) then off for biscuits and tea, and not to forget the filling in of the expense forms. trust me, that £68million will soon be gone, and as usual, we will have nothing to show for it.[/p][/quote]Didn't take long for some good news on local investment to be spun around into unfounded allegations of corruption and incompetence did it? How is Cllr Beesley going to influence where money given to the Port of Poole or Bournemouth Uni for example?[/p][/quote]hes as bent as a nine bob note ! Jetwasher
  • Score: 2

5:26pm Mon 7 Jul 14

The irate commuter says...

& we trust this council to spend the money wisely because????

I am already looking foward to the months & months & months of delays, holdups, lost working hours, polution during peak times on the A338 whilst the council ensure larry Lizard is OK !!!

The road only needs a few pot-holes filled at night over a number of weeks!!...spend the money on something more needy & leave us motorists to get out of this town freely!
& we trust this council to spend the money wisely because???? I am already looking foward to the months & months & months of delays, holdups, lost working hours, polution during peak times on the A338 whilst the council ensure larry Lizard is OK !!! The road only needs a few pot-holes filled at night over a number of weeks!!...spend the money on something more needy & leave us motorists to get out of this town freely! The irate commuter
  • Score: 3

5:57pm Mon 7 Jul 14

s-pb2 says...

Surprised Beesley is welcoming this investment. His council have clearly shown that they dont want big business in the area with the appalling infrastructure and unwelcoming parking restrictions anywhere near a large company
Surprised Beesley is welcoming this investment. His council have clearly shown that they dont want big business in the area with the appalling infrastructure and unwelcoming parking restrictions anywhere near a large company s-pb2
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

MarloweOS says...

On the assumption that only half of this funding can be spent on the transport network, take £32M.
The Bournemouth Spur road will not be resurfaced, but reconstructed (foundations upward) and brought up to modern standards (widened to include a safety hard strip 1m wide along its length). And the lay-bys may be set back from the road (if funding allows).
Blackwater junction will be altered (by building an additional bridge near the existing bridge) to increase capacity. Hopefully the two bridges will created a roundabout formation, and the western slip roads placed on the west side - depending on the nearby water this may be difficult and costly.
The B3073 may be widened to TD27 standard (again with hard strip) and Hurn partially bypassed to the West.
And now you're out of money.
If another £5M can be found, the A338 can be widened into its own central reservation between Blackwater and Cooper Dean.

Unfortunately, this scheme increases capacity along the Spur Road - this will encourage traffic. Since the road network is not complete, this will increase the strain on the A35 / A3049.

The Wallisdown Relief Road would fix this, by allowing a free flow of traffic to Poole, in which case the effect of 'induced traffic' will 'max out' and there will not actually be enough vehicles in the conurbation to congest the road. But it requires a free-flowing 3 lanes in each direction to achieve that.

But good progress. And nothing else was going to happen in the conurbation until the Spur Road was reconstructed.

I would like to suggest the next priority be in Hampshire on the westbound A31 / A338 interplex. If the government can find another £15M, please spend it here.
On the assumption that only half of this funding can be spent on the transport network, take £32M. The Bournemouth Spur road will not be resurfaced, but reconstructed (foundations upward) and brought up to modern standards (widened to include a safety hard strip 1m wide along its length). And the lay-bys may be set back from the road (if funding allows). Blackwater junction will be altered (by building an additional bridge near the existing bridge) to increase capacity. Hopefully the two bridges will created a roundabout formation, and the western slip roads placed on the west side - depending on the nearby water this may be difficult and costly. The B3073 may be widened to TD27 standard (again with hard strip) and Hurn partially bypassed to the West. And now you're out of money. If another £5M can be found, the A338 can be widened into its own central reservation between Blackwater and Cooper Dean. Unfortunately, this scheme increases capacity along the Spur Road - this will encourage traffic. Since the road network is not complete, this will increase the strain on the A35 / A3049. The Wallisdown Relief Road would fix this, by allowing a free flow of traffic to Poole, in which case the effect of 'induced traffic' will 'max out' and there will not actually be enough vehicles in the conurbation to congest the road. But it requires a free-flowing 3 lanes in each direction to achieve that. But good progress. And nothing else was going to happen in the conurbation until the Spur Road was reconstructed. I would like to suggest the next priority be in Hampshire on the westbound A31 / A338 interplex. If the government can find another £15M, please spend it here. MarloweOS
  • Score: 3

6:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

PHonnor says...

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/1132318
9.Weymouth_misses_ou
t_after_major_govern
ment_handout_for_Dor
set/

Not every one is happy and rightly so.
http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/1132318 9.Weymouth_misses_ou t_after_major_govern ment_handout_for_Dor set/ Not every one is happy and rightly so. PHonnor
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Tripod says...

In the run-up to an important General Election, you can't trust anything any Government says (especially an un-popular one), get the cheque in the bank before you spend it, you could easily end-up wasting a lot of time and money on useless plans.
In the run-up to an important General Election, you can't trust anything any Government says (especially an un-popular one), get the cheque in the bank before you spend it, you could easily end-up wasting a lot of time and money on useless plans. Tripod
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Great news but more than 3000 new homes are required.
Yes for BRITS .NOT for Imigrants,Lets put our own young people first.Remember its their country,and their future,Not for the EU to tell us what to do ,And dump any riff raff they like on us through their open boarders laws,
One more thing ,You vote LIB DEM /LABOUR you will get more of the same .Then you can Kiss goodbye to your childrens future,Housing /jobs ETC,
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Great news but more than 3000 new homes are required.[/p][/quote]Yes for BRITS .NOT for Imigrants,Lets put our own young people first.Remember its their country,and their future,Not for the EU to tell us what to do ,And dump any riff raff they like on us through their open boarders laws, One more thing ,You vote LIB DEM /LABOUR you will get more of the same .Then you can Kiss goodbye to your childrens future,Housing /jobs ETC, cromwell9
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
So does the A31.THe main trunk road into Dorset.you are having a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]So does the A31.THe main trunk road into Dorset.you are having a laugh. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
A massive government investment into our local economy has to be great news for anyone and though I am as skeptical as anyone else on the actual outcome of that investment, it has to be wrong to jump into negative mode straight away. Hopefully some of this investment can be used to connect Dorset Way to Wessex way and relieve the traffic on other roads between Bournemouth and Poole. See what plans are put forward and then criticize but don't look at this windfall as a bad thing when it most certainly isn't.
The LIB DEMS kiled that idea years ago.
All they want you to do is get on a BIKE.,and put flowers in your hair.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: A massive government investment into our local economy has to be great news for anyone and though I am as skeptical as anyone else on the actual outcome of that investment, it has to be wrong to jump into negative mode straight away. Hopefully some of this investment can be used to connect Dorset Way to Wessex way and relieve the traffic on other roads between Bournemouth and Poole. See what plans are put forward and then criticize but don't look at this windfall as a bad thing when it most certainly isn't.[/p][/quote]The LIB DEMS kiled that idea years ago. All they want you to do is get on a BIKE.,and put flowers in your hair. cromwell9
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

GusBmth says...

Readers may find this link to the Report of the Dorset Local Transport Body useful as it contains details of the transport schemes and their costs.

http://www.bournemou
th.gov.uk/StreetsTra
nsport/DorsetLTB/Age
nda-and-Reports-29-J
uly-2013.pdf

The relevant info is on page 63 in Appendix A1
Readers may find this link to the Report of the Dorset Local Transport Body useful as it contains details of the transport schemes and their costs. http://www.bournemou th.gov.uk/StreetsTra nsport/DorsetLTB/Age nda-and-Reports-29-J uly-2013.pdf The relevant info is on page 63 in Appendix A1 GusBmth
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

MotorbikeSam says...

do we need 3000 new homes 25000 new jobs and a new road ..//
No thanks we are over crowded already bigger road will mean more cars
better spending money to keep people away from here so we can all have a better quality of life go and build a new road 3000 homes on salisbury plain or in the new forest lots of space there and leave out nice area alone ..
do we need 3000 new homes 25000 new jobs and a new road ..// No thanks we are over crowded already bigger road will mean more cars better spending money to keep people away from here so we can all have a better quality of life go and build a new road 3000 homes on salisbury plain or in the new forest lots of space there and leave out nice area alone .. MotorbikeSam
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

ashleycross wrote:
Bournemouth and Poole are already full of empty flats bought as investments so building more, especially on the precious remaining pockets of green space in and around poole and bournemouth is a dirty lazy useless unproductive way to try to make it look as if the area is doing well. The trains are understaffed and unreliable, stations dirty, first class carriages seats are often damp. We don't need more roads or bigger roads, we need a conurbation that can be walked, cycled and trammed around and can be reached easily, safely and comfortably by train. Opening the roads into bournemouth and poole to thousands more cars and lorries a year is a horrible outdated filthy thing to do and the various towns leaders should be concentrating on objecting to this instead of the wind farm.
You will only achieve your dream if Bournemouth and Poole become Wessesx city,
HELL will freeze over before that happens.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth and Poole are already full of empty flats bought as investments so building more, especially on the precious remaining pockets of green space in and around poole and bournemouth is a dirty lazy useless unproductive way to try to make it look as if the area is doing well. The trains are understaffed and unreliable, stations dirty, first class carriages seats are often damp. We don't need more roads or bigger roads, we need a conurbation that can be walked, cycled and trammed around and can be reached easily, safely and comfortably by train. Opening the roads into bournemouth and poole to thousands more cars and lorries a year is a horrible outdated filthy thing to do and the various towns leaders should be concentrating on objecting to this instead of the wind farm.[/p][/quote]You will only achieve your dream if Bournemouth and Poole become Wessesx city, HELL will freeze over before that happens. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

carole cross wrote:
What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole.
We can only dream,
[quote][p][bold]carole cross[/bold] wrote: What we really need is improved rail access to the Midlands and the North. it costs a fortune having to travel to Southampton or London. Help to fund the rebuilding of the Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway and the southern terminus at Bournemouth West would be a much better long term solution. This will provide better access for business travel and holidaymakers to come to Bournemouth and Poole.[/p][/quote]We can only dream, cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

504gld wrote:
"Access to the Port of Poole – which is already working on plans for more and deeper quays, will also be improved. "......

Forgive me for pointing out, but the rail link to port of Poole is now closed and derelict, it would of make far more sense to upgrade it and build a new Poole Quay railway station to give travelers through passage on one ticket to the Channel Islands and France, much like you can from any UK station to Dublin/Belfast - Sailrail which are always heavily subscribed.

As for the airport, does this mean Bournemouth Council will actually take some interest in it, as if you have ever tried to talk to them about it, you'll get brushed off because its actually in Christchurch......
The rail link to the Port Of POOlE ,is not closed and derelict .We run a freight train down the line every now and again,.
The branch will never be closed to Rail traffic,.Like Weymouth it is mothballed for the MOD in case of future conflicts, when we will then need to reopen them for that purpose.
There may be plans sometime in the future to conect the line back into the Port,.We shall see.
The line of course is owned and maintained by Network Rail.( State owned.).
[quote][p][bold]504gld[/bold] wrote: "Access to the Port of Poole – which is already working on plans for more and deeper quays, will also be improved. "...... Forgive me for pointing out, but the rail link to port of Poole is now closed and derelict, it would of make far more sense to upgrade it and build a new Poole Quay railway station to give travelers through passage on one ticket to the Channel Islands and France, much like you can from any UK station to Dublin/Belfast - Sailrail which are always heavily subscribed. As for the airport, does this mean Bournemouth Council will actually take some interest in it, as if you have ever tried to talk to them about it, you'll get brushed off because its actually in Christchurch......[/p][/quote]The rail link to the Port Of POOlE ,is not closed and derelict .We run a freight train down the line every now and again,. The branch will never be closed to Rail traffic,.Like Weymouth it is mothballed for the MOD in case of future conflicts, when we will then need to reopen them for that purpose. There may be plans sometime in the future to conect the line back into the Port,.We shall see. The line of course is owned and maintained by Network Rail.( State owned.). cromwell9
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Mon 7 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

MarloweOS wrote:
On the assumption that only half of this funding can be spent on the transport network, take £32M.
The Bournemouth Spur road will not be resurfaced, but reconstructed (foundations upward) and brought up to modern standards (widened to include a safety hard strip 1m wide along its length). And the lay-bys may be set back from the road (if funding allows).
Blackwater junction will be altered (by building an additional bridge near the existing bridge) to increase capacity. Hopefully the two bridges will created a roundabout formation, and the western slip roads placed on the west side - depending on the nearby water this may be difficult and costly.
The B3073 may be widened to TD27 standard (again with hard strip) and Hurn partially bypassed to the West.
And now you're out of money.
If another £5M can be found, the A338 can be widened into its own central reservation between Blackwater and Cooper Dean.

Unfortunately, this scheme increases capacity along the Spur Road - this will encourage traffic. Since the road network is not complete, this will increase the strain on the A35 / A3049.

The Wallisdown Relief Road would fix this, by allowing a free flow of traffic to Poole, in which case the effect of 'induced traffic' will 'max out' and there will not actually be enough vehicles in the conurbation to congest the road. But it requires a free-flowing 3 lanes in each direction to achieve that.

But good progress. And nothing else was going to happen in the conurbation until the Spur Road was reconstructed.

I would like to suggest the next priority be in Hampshire on the westbound A31 / A338 interplex. If the government can find another £15M, please spend it here.
The LIB DEMS KILLED the whole area when they were in power in the 80/90 s.You can put all this road mess down to them.Including the Wallisdown relief rd.The Lib Dems killed that as well.
I would suggest we all get our bikes out and cycle everywhere,The Lib Dems would love that.(BONKERS).
[quote][p][bold]MarloweOS[/bold] wrote: On the assumption that only half of this funding can be spent on the transport network, take £32M. The Bournemouth Spur road will not be resurfaced, but reconstructed (foundations upward) and brought up to modern standards (widened to include a safety hard strip 1m wide along its length). And the lay-bys may be set back from the road (if funding allows). Blackwater junction will be altered (by building an additional bridge near the existing bridge) to increase capacity. Hopefully the two bridges will created a roundabout formation, and the western slip roads placed on the west side - depending on the nearby water this may be difficult and costly. The B3073 may be widened to TD27 standard (again with hard strip) and Hurn partially bypassed to the West. And now you're out of money. If another £5M can be found, the A338 can be widened into its own central reservation between Blackwater and Cooper Dean. Unfortunately, this scheme increases capacity along the Spur Road - this will encourage traffic. Since the road network is not complete, this will increase the strain on the A35 / A3049. The Wallisdown Relief Road would fix this, by allowing a free flow of traffic to Poole, in which case the effect of 'induced traffic' will 'max out' and there will not actually be enough vehicles in the conurbation to congest the road. But it requires a free-flowing 3 lanes in each direction to achieve that. But good progress. And nothing else was going to happen in the conurbation until the Spur Road was reconstructed. I would like to suggest the next priority be in Hampshire on the westbound A31 / A338 interplex. If the government can find another £15M, please spend it here.[/p][/quote]The LIB DEMS KILLED the whole area when they were in power in the 80/90 s.You can put all this road mess down to them.Including the Wallisdown relief rd.The Lib Dems killed that as well. I would suggest we all get our bikes out and cycle everywhere,The Lib Dems would love that.(BONKERS). cromwell9
  • Score: 3

8:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sprintervanman says...

The 3000 homes will be built on flood plains that are empty for a reason.Then sold on very cheaply before the unsuspecting buyer works that one out. "Speak to your insurance adviser Sir/Madam as your TV floats down the hallway"
The 3000 homes will be built on flood plains that are empty for a reason.Then sold on very cheaply before the unsuspecting buyer works that one out. "Speak to your insurance adviser Sir/Madam as your TV floats down the hallway" sprintervanman
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

Lord Spring wrote:
A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.
The entire stretch from Bournemouth to Salisbury needs doing. The Spur Road is the second busiest road in Dorset after the A31 and the Ringwood to Salisbury part could do with some straight bits.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: A338 renewal its the Ringwood to Salisbury section that needs sorting out.[/p][/quote]The entire stretch from Bournemouth to Salisbury needs doing. The Spur Road is the second busiest road in Dorset after the A31 and the Ringwood to Salisbury part could do with some straight bits. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Mon 7 Jul 14

breamoreboy says...

Hessenford wrote:
gileto wrote:
Huey wrote:
Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates.
Open up the southwest properly.
Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.
Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..
No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand.
The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area.
Lots of motorways were built as the Minister for Transport Mr Marples made his money building them. He wanted to get rid of the competition from the railways and found a very convenient scapegoat in Dr Beeching. Only now are we really starting to pay for that decision.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates. Open up the southwest properly. Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.[/p][/quote]Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..[/p][/quote]No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand. The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area.[/p][/quote]Lots of motorways were built as the Minister for Transport Mr Marples made his money building them. He wanted to get rid of the competition from the railways and found a very convenient scapegoat in Dr Beeching. Only now are we really starting to pay for that decision. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

10:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Avengerboy says...

Marvellous, environmental destruction ...... in the run up to an election.
Marvellous, environmental destruction ...... in the run up to an election. Avengerboy
  • Score: -4

10:36pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

WHYNOT wrote:
beautifulcornwall wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
beautifulcornwall wrote:
The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath.
Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents.
In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27.
The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles.
Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.
Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?
I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did.
I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place.
The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago.
I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition.
I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents
I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years.
ha ha you say the spur road doesn't need any work done on it, then you say the last time you last used it was 18 months ago so how do you know it doesn't need any work ? can you see it from beautifulcornwall ?
I don't believe that he or she said anywhere in his comment that the spur road didn't need any work done on it, in fact he or she states that the Blackwater junction is dangerous and the spur road is dangerous in some places, you need to read the full story before you comment
[quote][p][bold]WHYNOT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beautifulcornwall[/bold] wrote: The A338 doesn't need £26 million spent on it, it's ok as it is, problems with this road are the inability of drivers to stay on it, the Blackwater junction, the mishmash of different speed limits, and the atrocious road layout at Ashley Heath. Instead of tinkering around the edges, a complete revamp of Blackwater junction is needed, the road layout between Ringwood flyover and Ashley heath is needed, get rid of all the 40,50,60 and 70 mph speed limits and set them at 60mph between Ringwood and Bournemouth, these roads were built to enable traffic to move faster not have drivers braking every couple of seconds because of lower limit changes which causes traffic to bunch up and leading to the inevitable accidents. In my View a complete new road should be built from Ringwood through to Dorchester to link the South west to the M3 and M27. The two main roads through here are fantastic, the A30 and A38 run from Exeter to Penzance , there are less speed limit variations for over 100 miles than there is from Ringwood to Bournemouth of around 12 miles. Accidents occur everywhere, not all down to speed, the road layout in Bournemouth is atrocious and that's where the money needs to be spent, bring access to Bournemouth and the south west up to 21st century standards, resurfacing and a couple of new routes are not the answer, this money could be better spent.[/p][/quote]Whens the last time you travelled on the Spur Road? I agree with what you've said but the spur road does need resurfacing, year upon year of under investment now means that £25m+ is desperately needed to resurface the whole stretch of road. This unfortunately means there will probably be little left to actually make any of the layout improvements that you have suggested?[/p][/quote]I last used the spur road about 18 months ago when visiting friends for a few days, I have to say that I'm glad I moved away from Bournemouth when I did. I agree that years of under investment have made the spur road dangerous in some places, the Blackwater junction was designed some 40 years ago and should have been altered or better still more thought should have gone into it in the first place. The Ashley Heath junction is a nightmare and the road from Ringwood to Ashley Heath is quite dangerous, in my view the petrol station should have been shut years ago. I do agree that if resurfacing is done to the spur road that will eat up the majority of the millions on offer so I am also of the opinion that all the plans suggested will not come to fruition. I believe successive councils should shoulder the blame for the state of all roads in the Bournemouth area due to their under investment, reducing speed limits is not always the answer, this makes traffic bunch up and a knock on effect occurs, until some serious money is injected there will be more and more serious accidents I am just thankful I now live in an area with marvelous road links around the south west, problem with Bournemouth is that massive building has progressed in every area except the road network, their plans to build another 3000 homes is welcome but you need the road network to accommodate the extra vehicles this brings with it, something that has been ignored with all the expansion of Bournemouth that has happened over the last 40 years.[/p][/quote]ha ha you say the spur road doesn't need any work done on it, then you say the last time you last used it was 18 months ago so how do you know it doesn't need any work ? can you see it from beautifulcornwall ?[/p][/quote]I don't believe that he or she said anywhere in his comment that the spur road didn't need any work done on it, in fact he or she states that the Blackwater junction is dangerous and the spur road is dangerous in some places, you need to read the full story before you comment Hessenford
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Mon 7 Jul 14

wadjit says...

So a new road is going to be built from the a338 to the airport? If not how is airport access going to be "unlocked"?
So a new road is going to be built from the a338 to the airport? If not how is airport access going to be "unlocked"? wadjit
  • Score: 1

5:10am Tue 8 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Top priority has to be the rebuilding of the 'Lizard fence' on both sides of the spur road and extending from Cooper Dean out to Ashley Heath which no doubt will consume by far the lions share of the grant.
Yes the £1 million our negative IQ jobsworths wasted on the lizard fence would probably have been enough to repair every pot hole in Bournemouth
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: Top priority has to be the rebuilding of the 'Lizard fence' on both sides of the spur road and extending from Cooper Dean out to Ashley Heath which no doubt will consume by far the lions share of the grant.[/p][/quote]Yes the £1 million our negative IQ jobsworths wasted on the lizard fence would probably have been enough to repair every pot hole in Bournemouth fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

5:49am Tue 8 Jul 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

ashleycross wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport. And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.
The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation
Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways. Chris@bournemouth obviously spent too long playing with a hotwheels set as a lad and wants to live this out as an adult by putting roads all over the county just like the flippin nuisance those tracks used to be all over the living room. And these LEP people are no better.
That's why the congestion is as bad as it is because of peoples short, narrow sighted opinions like those of Lord Spring.
And as for "Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways"...Are you for real. Maybe you should stop being so naive.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: A338 needs to be 8 lanes wide with a new link off the A338 to the airport as per the MasterPlan of the airport. And as said, M27 to Exeter is desperately needed.[/p][/quote]The M3 has only 4 lanes from A34 to A303 so why 8 lanes to this conurbation[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways. Chris@bournemouth obviously spent too long playing with a hotwheels set as a lad and wants to live this out as an adult by putting roads all over the county just like the flippin nuisance those tracks used to be all over the living room. And these LEP people are no better.[/p][/quote]That's why the congestion is as bad as it is because of peoples short, narrow sighted opinions like those of Lord Spring. And as for "Dorset doesn't need or want any motorways"...Are you for real. Maybe you should stop being so naive. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: -3

11:13am Tue 8 Jul 14

Glashen says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
gileto wrote:
Huey wrote:
Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates.
Open up the southwest properly.
Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.
Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..
No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand.
The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area.
Lots of motorways were built as the Minister for Transport Mr Marples made his money building them. He wanted to get rid of the competition from the railways and found a very convenient scapegoat in Dr Beeching. Only now are we really starting to pay for that decision.
To say that is a simplistic view of 50 years of transport policy is an understatement but with a tiny grain of truth. There was lot wrong with British Railways when Beeching swung his axe and some of the needed change is still to happen. I really wonder what this country would be like today if we had not built the motorways certainly socially it would be different the freedom given to the masses by cheap motoring was a major social influence. But yes it suited Ernest Marples and we did become too reliant on the motor car.
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We might dream that today we might start at last to come up with joined up transport plans.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Extend the m27 to Exeter and give the spur road another lane from Salisbury to county gates. Open up the southwest properly. Otherwise don't bother. Resurfacing will not increase capacity.[/p][/quote]Increasing capacity on the A338 into Bournemouth will inevitably lead to more traffic using it - and once into Bournmeouth, inevitably to more traffic clogging up those roads leading to and from the A338. Improving public transport is the only answer if we're not happy with the conurbations roads being more and more strangled..[/p][/quote]No matter how much public transport is improved it would not relive the spur road of traffic, that's why motorways were built years ago, because of demand. The reason the roads around here are clogged is because of under investment of the network over the last 30 or 40 years while more and more homes and businesses have been built around the area.[/p][/quote]Lots of motorways were built as the Minister for Transport Mr Marples made his money building them. He wanted to get rid of the competition from the railways and found a very convenient scapegoat in Dr Beeching. Only now are we really starting to pay for that decision.[/p][/quote]To say that is a simplistic view of 50 years of transport policy is an understatement but with a tiny grain of truth. There was lot wrong with British Railways when Beeching swung his axe and some of the needed change is still to happen. I really wonder what this country would be like today if we had not built the motorways certainly socially it would be different the freedom given to the masses by cheap motoring was a major social influence. But yes it suited Ernest Marples and we did become too reliant on the motor car. - We might dream that today we might start at last to come up with joined up transport plans. Glashen
  • Score: 1

10:49pm Tue 8 Jul 14

violet18 says...

Most people comment on the spur road but I live near the airport and I am more concerned with the effect if any on local residents. Where are the houses to be built. Where are the proposed roads being built. What effect will all this expansion have on services such as schools, doctors. I feel very concerned for the future of a wonderful area
Most people comment on the spur road but I live near the airport and I am more concerned with the effect if any on local residents. Where are the houses to be built. Where are the proposed roads being built. What effect will all this expansion have on services such as schools, doctors. I feel very concerned for the future of a wonderful area violet18
  • Score: 3

8:51am Fri 11 Jul 14

Wilkie says...

Why is it seen as a positive to further swell the population of Bournemouth. It's the increasing population that has created most of the issues in this town. Our infamous ex-used car salesman landlord started the rot in the 80's by importing the benefits claimants from the North West. A good start would be to start closing down the drug re-hab centres and re-setting the local planning criteria for minimum % plot coverage for new builds (25%), and minimum floor areas for flats to prevent the type of ghetto tomorrow developments we have seen recently down the likes of Hawthorne Road, Winton (have a look on streetview). The problem is that it is a huge priviledge to live in Bournemouth and there is no limit to the amount of people that would come and live here if we somehow squeezed in more houses. Unfortunately, the type of housing that would be built would just attact the needy and the associated crime.
Why is it seen as a positive to further swell the population of Bournemouth. It's the increasing population that has created most of the issues in this town. Our infamous ex-used car salesman landlord started the rot in the 80's by importing the benefits claimants from the North West. A good start would be to start closing down the drug re-hab centres and re-setting the local planning criteria for minimum % plot coverage for new builds (25%), and minimum floor areas for flats to prevent the type of ghetto tomorrow developments we have seen recently down the likes of Hawthorne Road, Winton (have a look on streetview). The problem is that it is a huge priviledge to live in Bournemouth and there is no limit to the amount of people that would come and live here if we somehow squeezed in more houses. Unfortunately, the type of housing that would be built would just attact the needy and the associated crime. Wilkie
  • Score: 3
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