Cyclist 'brought back to life' after Avon Causeway incident

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A CYCLIST is fighting for life after being 'brought back to life' by paramedics following an incident at Avon Causeway this morning.

The man in his 60s received head injuries and had a cardiac arrest.

Two ambulances, a rapid response vehicle and an off-duty paramedic were quickly on the scene at 10.36am.

A South Western Ambulance spokesperson said when they got there the cyclist was not conscious or breathing.

The spokesperson said the six paramedics carried out 'advance life support', using a defibrillator and CPR.

She added as a result there was " a return of spontaneous circulation" to the victim.

The cyclist was then rushed to Royal Bournemouth Hospital for further treatment.

A Dorset Police spokesperson said they were asked to attend by the ambulance service because it was first believed that the incident was a road traffic collision.

Three police cars attended and a police van to pick up the bike.

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2:50pm Sat 17 May 14

Controversial But True says...

Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one. Controversial But True
  • Score: -34

3:17pm Sat 17 May 14

VinceParadise says...

Always a terrible sight when you see police cars and ambulances. I sincerely hope that he makes a full recovery. I was out on my motorbike this morning and had stopped on the main road to take a picture of my bike with the causeway in the background. I then noticed 3 or 4 cars had stopped on the bridge. I zoomed in to see what was happening and could just make out a member of public giving CPR, which always makes you shudder. Thankfully just then I saw the first of two ambulances turn up closely followed by a Police car. All the best to the rider
Always a terrible sight when you see police cars and ambulances. I sincerely hope that he makes a full recovery. I was out on my motorbike this morning and had stopped on the main road to take a picture of my bike with the causeway in the background. I then noticed 3 or 4 cars had stopped on the bridge. I zoomed in to see what was happening and could just make out a member of public giving CPR, which always makes you shudder. Thankfully just then I saw the first of two ambulances turn up closely followed by a Police car. All the best to the rider VinceParadise
  • Score: 22

3:18pm Sat 17 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 10

4:31pm Sat 17 May 14

cazzia says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van. cazzia
  • Score: 12

4:43pm Sat 17 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

cazzia wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van.
From a quick search of the internet:

Helmet laws in Australia, New Zealand and parts of Canada (BHRF, 1096) have resulted in the great majority of cyclists wearing helmets, but there has been no reduction in rates of head injury relative to cycle use. An analysis of enforced laws in these countries found no clear evidence of benefit (Robinson, 2006).

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Press Release - 11 September 2006
Wearing a helmet puts cyclists at risk, suggests research

Bicyclists who wear protective helmets are more likely to be struck by passing vehicles, new research suggests.

Drivers pass closer when overtaking cyclists wearing helmets than when overtaking bare-headed cyclists, increasing the risk of a collision, the research has found.

Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist from the University of Bath, used a bicycle fitted with a computer and an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data from over 2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol.

======

Cycle helmets don't reduce head injury risk as much as it's thought, claims new analysis

Norwegian risk and cost-benefit expert says previous research flawed

==============

What's wrong with bicycle helmets?

by Michael Bluejay • Last update: June 2013
Many readers are surprised that I don't make a big deal on this site of insisting that cyclists wear helmets, especially since wearing helmets is what most people equate with bike safety.
There are three reasons I don't stress helmets here:

Focusing on helmets distracts people from what's more likely to actually save their lives: Safe-riding skills. I'm not against helmets, I'm against all the attention placed on helmets at the expense of learning how to not get hit by cars. Helmets are not the most important aspect of bike safety. Not by a long shot.

Research has failed to show any net protective value of bike helmets. That's because while helmets help in some ways, they hurt in other ways. The problems cancel out the benefits, and so there's no overall safety effect. Probably the main negative impact of helmets is that drivers pass helmeted cyclists more closely than unhelmeted cyclists (because unhelmeted cyclists seem more vulnerable), and so helmeted cyclists are more likely to get hit.

=====

And so on. Like I said it is not black and white.

If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets.

Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).
[quote][p][bold]cazzia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van.[/p][/quote]From a quick search of the internet: Helmet laws in Australia, New Zealand and parts of Canada (BHRF, 1096) have resulted in the great majority of cyclists wearing helmets, but there has been no reduction in rates of head injury relative to cycle use. An analysis of enforced laws in these countries found no clear evidence of benefit (Robinson, 2006). === Press Release - 11 September 2006 Wearing a helmet puts cyclists at risk, suggests research Bicyclists who wear protective helmets are more likely to be struck by passing vehicles, new research suggests. Drivers pass closer when overtaking cyclists wearing helmets than when overtaking bare-headed cyclists, increasing the risk of a collision, the research has found. Dr Ian Walker, a traffic psychologist from the University of Bath, used a bicycle fitted with a computer and an ultrasonic distance sensor to record data from over 2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol. ====== Cycle helmets don't reduce head injury risk as much as it's thought, claims new analysis Norwegian risk and cost-benefit expert says previous research flawed ============== What's wrong with bicycle helmets? by Michael Bluejay • Last update: June 2013 Many readers are surprised that I don't make a big deal on this site of insisting that cyclists wear helmets, especially since wearing helmets is what most people equate with bike safety. There are three reasons I don't stress helmets here: Focusing on helmets distracts people from what's more likely to actually save their lives: Safe-riding skills. I'm not against helmets, I'm against all the attention placed on helmets at the expense of learning how to not get hit by cars. Helmets are not the most important aspect of bike safety. Not by a long shot. Research has failed to show any net protective value of bike helmets. That's because while helmets help in some ways, they hurt in other ways. The problems cancel out the benefits, and so there's no overall safety effect. Probably the main negative impact of helmets is that drivers pass helmeted cyclists more closely than unhelmeted cyclists (because unhelmeted cyclists seem more vulnerable), and so helmeted cyclists are more likely to get hit. ===== And so on. Like I said it is not black and white. If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets. Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking). scrumpyjack
  • Score: 3

4:45pm Sat 17 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

I'll post that again in case you missed it:

If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets.

Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).
I'll post that again in case you missed it: If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets. Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking). scrumpyjack
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Sat 17 May 14

Controversial But True says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury.

I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to! Controversial But True
  • Score: -8

5:02pm Sat 17 May 14

woby_tide says...

cazzia wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van.
It doesn't increase injury but studies have shown wearing helmets can have an impact on the likelihood of being in an accident in the first place. It seems motorists regard riders with helmets as fair game to drive closer than they do to riders with no helmets. Obviously an effect of human nature.

Best wishes and hopes for a speedy recovery to the cyclist today
[quote][p][bold]cazzia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]How can wearing a helmet increase injury then ? It saved the little girls life on Tuesday when she was hit by a van.[/p][/quote]It doesn't increase injury but studies have shown wearing helmets can have an impact on the likelihood of being in an accident in the first place. It seems motorists regard riders with helmets as fair game to drive closer than they do to riders with no helmets. Obviously an effect of human nature. Best wishes and hopes for a speedy recovery to the cyclist today woby_tide
  • Score: 8

5:22pm Sat 17 May 14

Jac2984 says...

Today's accident was nothing to do with riding of bikes, the gentlemen did have a helmet on an no other vehicle was involved. I was one of the people first on seen with a off duty paramedic. The gentlemen was not of his bike, he was taking photographs of the birds beside the road, as I drove by he looked very ill. I looked back in the mirror and saw him fall backwards into the road. We both stopped and ran to his help, whilst others phoned for an ambulance. Thanks to the off duty paramedic and the quick response from the ambulance service this gentlemen has been given a chance to recovery. I moved on to directing the traffic as to many people were crowding around the situation. I hope he returns to a full recovery as it was horrid to see him helpless.

All the best to you sir and again amazing job to the off duty paramedic who was there first with me.
Today's accident was nothing to do with riding of bikes, the gentlemen did have a helmet on an no other vehicle was involved. I was one of the people first on seen with a off duty paramedic. The gentlemen was not of his bike, he was taking photographs of the birds beside the road, as I drove by he looked very ill. I looked back in the mirror and saw him fall backwards into the road. We both stopped and ran to his help, whilst others phoned for an ambulance. Thanks to the off duty paramedic and the quick response from the ambulance service this gentlemen has been given a chance to recovery. I moved on to directing the traffic as to many people were crowding around the situation. I hope he returns to a full recovery as it was horrid to see him helpless. All the best to you sir and again amazing job to the off duty paramedic who was there first with me. Jac2984
  • Score: 70

6:40pm Sat 17 May 14

cazzia says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
I'll post that again in case you missed it:

If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets.

Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).
Ok well that's interesting to read but if I were on a bike I would wear one after seeing the picture of the state of the helmet that saved the girls life this week. She would not have survived without wearing it.
This guy was taken ill whilst off his bike anyway .so wishing him a full recovery.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: I'll post that again in case you missed it: If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets. Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).[/p][/quote]Ok well that's interesting to read but if I were on a bike I would wear one after seeing the picture of the state of the helmet that saved the girls life this week. She would not have survived without wearing it. This guy was taken ill whilst off his bike anyway .so wishing him a full recovery. cazzia
  • Score: 7

9:19pm Sat 17 May 14

Self-Righteous Mother says...

It seems from Jac2984's account that this was actually a pedestrian accident. I would therefore suggest that all vulnerable pedestrians -so toddlers, intoxicated, unwell and elderly should wear helmets. Maybe this company cold supply them in larger sizes http://www.thudguard
.com/. The government could even make it mandatory. On the other hand they could allow people to come to their own sensible conclusion.

I hope the gentleman recovers -maybe in this case the helmet did reduce the severity of impact, but we have no real way of knowing. Thumbs up to Jac and the paramedic for the quick response though.
It seems from Jac2984's account that this was actually a pedestrian accident. I would therefore suggest that all vulnerable pedestrians -so toddlers, intoxicated, unwell and elderly should wear helmets. Maybe this company cold supply them in larger sizes http://www.thudguard .com/. The government could even make it mandatory. On the other hand they could allow people to come to their own sensible conclusion. I hope the gentleman recovers -maybe in this case the helmet did reduce the severity of impact, but we have no real way of knowing. Thumbs up to Jac and the paramedic for the quick response though. Self-Righteous Mother
  • Score: 6

11:56pm Sat 17 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

Controversial But True wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
First comment and we have first little dig.

FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'.

Not much of that on this site.

Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury.

I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
I agree on the second point, I never ride without a helmet ever, I could quite easily come off my bike without the help of a vehicle anyway as I have spd's and slick tyres, aside from that I have no idea how extensive that research is but as I ride on the road I'll take my chances riding wearing a helmet thanks, one can only hope the attitude of some drivers will one day change and we'll be able to share the road safely as I did recently when cycling in France.

Naturally I also wish the chap from the report a quick recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to![/p][/quote]I agree on the second point, I never ride without a helmet ever, I could quite easily come off my bike without the help of a vehicle anyway as I have spd's and slick tyres, aside from that I have no idea how extensive that research is but as I ride on the road I'll take my chances riding wearing a helmet thanks, one can only hope the attitude of some drivers will one day change and we'll be able to share the road safely as I did recently when cycling in France. Naturally I also wish the chap from the report a quick recovery. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 5

10:54am Sun 18 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.[/p][/quote]Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ? Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -19

11:41am Sun 18 May 14

R.Pingle says...

I wonder why the issue seems to be about helmets when this mans life was saved by the amazing work of three off duty paramedics. I was second on the scene with my family and witnessed the event, this 80 year old had just collapsed while taking photos. His life was saved by the professional help he received on site and a phone call from the police this morning tells me he is still alive. Wonderful to know there are still people around that are willing to come to the rescue of a stranger. well done to all involved, including ambulance crew and police.
I wonder why the issue seems to be about helmets when this mans life was saved by the amazing work of three off duty paramedics. I was second on the scene with my family and witnessed the event, this 80 year old had just collapsed while taking photos. His life was saved by the professional help he received on site and a phone call from the police this morning tells me he is still alive. Wonderful to know there are still people around that are willing to come to the rescue of a stranger. well done to all involved, including ambulance crew and police. R.Pingle
  • Score: 16

8:37pm Sun 18 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?
Unless there are pictures.......they cannot compute.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.[/p][/quote]Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?[/p][/quote]Unless there are pictures.......they cannot compute. BIGTONE
  • Score: -1

9:47pm Sun 18 May 14

Self-Righteous Mother says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?
Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.[/p][/quote]Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?[/p][/quote]Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out. Self-Righteous Mother
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Sun 18 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Self-Righteous Mother wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?
Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out.
That would be the posters that pointed that fact out after I made my comment I presume, it still doesn't alter the fact that, that particular road is somewhat dangerous for cyclists and the advice about wearing helmets, especially on that road was sound advice.
[quote][p][bold]Self-Righteous Mother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.[/p][/quote]Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?[/p][/quote]Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out.[/p][/quote]That would be the posters that pointed that fact out after I made my comment I presume, it still doesn't alter the fact that, that particular road is somewhat dangerous for cyclists and the advice about wearing helmets, especially on that road was sound advice. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -7

6:49am Mon 19 May 14

retry69 says...

Take me to your leader :)
Take me to your leader :) retry69
  • Score: -1

8:50am Mon 19 May 14

Top_Gear says...

cazzia wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
I'll post that again in case you missed it:

If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets.

Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).
Ok well that's interesting to read but if I were on a bike I would wear one after seeing the picture of the state of the helmet that saved the girls life this week. She would not have survived without wearing it.
This guy was taken ill whilst off his bike anyway .so wishing him a full recovery.
How do you know that it saved her life? Oh yes that's right, you don't.
[quote][p][bold]cazzia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: I'll post that again in case you missed it: If it were then as drivers we would wear helmets. Why? The cause of 48% of head injuries is driving. How much for cycling? 1% (the same as for walking).[/p][/quote]Ok well that's interesting to read but if I were on a bike I would wear one after seeing the picture of the state of the helmet that saved the girls life this week. She would not have survived without wearing it. This guy was taken ill whilst off his bike anyway .so wishing him a full recovery.[/p][/quote]How do you know that it saved her life? Oh yes that's right, you don't. Top_Gear
  • Score: 2

9:20am Mon 19 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Self-Righteous Mother wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery.

I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.
Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?
Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out.
That would be the posters that pointed that fact out after I made my comment I presume, it still doesn't alter the fact that, that particular road is somewhat dangerous for cyclists and the advice about wearing helmets, especially on that road was sound advice.
Sound advice in your opinion.

People who have researched (you know, experts) the subject have again and again found results to suggest actually this might not be the case and might be more dangerous.

The point is, it is not clear cut and there are too many people on here that are not prepared to look at both sides of ANY argument and always 'know' they are right and anyone who disagrees is therefore definitely wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Self-Righteous Mother[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Awful news and I wish the rider a full and speedy recovery. I think the emergency services should release details of whether the rider was or wasn't wearing a cycling helmet to bring home the importance wearing one.[/p][/quote]Not really sure why this has been given so many negatives, it seems a perfectly sensible post ?[/p][/quote]Except that the rider wasn't actually riding -so it's irrelevant really as two previous posters who attended the incident have already pointed out.[/p][/quote]That would be the posters that pointed that fact out after I made my comment I presume, it still doesn't alter the fact that, that particular road is somewhat dangerous for cyclists and the advice about wearing helmets, especially on that road was sound advice.[/p][/quote]Sound advice in your opinion. People who have researched (you know, experts) the subject have again and again found results to suggest actually this might not be the case and might be more dangerous. The point is, it is not clear cut and there are too many people on here that are not prepared to look at both sides of ANY argument and always 'know' they are right and anyone who disagrees is therefore definitely wrong. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 2

10:59am Mon 19 May 14

FNS-man says...

Cycle helmets are not designed to help when hit by a car. They are designed to help when someone falls off their bike. No helmet manufacturer will claim that they are in any way effective when hit by vehicles. This is fact.

I wear a helmet so that if I am injured then a court will have no excuses to reduce any compensation due to me. But I am under no illusions that it aids my safety. It might help if I fall off my bike and hit my head, but I haven't done that for over twenty-five years of riding every day, even in the ice and snow of winter, so it's really not a major concern.

Also another area where UKIIP in general, and Marty Caine in particular, spout rubbish without any knowledge whatsoever.
Cycle helmets are not designed to help when hit by a car. They are designed to help when someone falls off their bike. No helmet manufacturer will claim that they are in any way effective when hit by vehicles. This is fact. I wear a helmet so that if I am injured then a court will have no excuses to reduce any compensation due to me. But I am under no illusions that it aids my safety. It might help if I fall off my bike and hit my head, but I haven't done that for over twenty-five years of riding every day, even in the ice and snow of winter, so it's really not a major concern. Also another area where UKIIP in general, and Marty Caine in particular, spout rubbish without any knowledge whatsoever. FNS-man
  • Score: -1

11:16am Mon 19 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

Well put FNS (I have come to the same conclusion about him myself over the weeks and can't see how I could ever bring myself to vote for such a cliched buffoon).
Well put FNS (I have come to the same conclusion about him myself over the weeks and can't see how I could ever bring myself to vote for such a cliched buffoon). scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Mon 19 May 14

agp1337 says...

This is only my story and is probably not statistically valid. However, about 20 years ago I was cycling, turned a corner (not very fast) and the bike went from under me on some black ice. I landed on the side of my head, and the helmet I was wearing was smashed. Next morning I had two black eyes and some other facial bruising. I am sure that if I hadn't been wearing that helmet I would now be dead: it would have been my head that was smashed.
This is only my story and is probably not statistically valid. However, about 20 years ago I was cycling, turned a corner (not very fast) and the bike went from under me on some black ice. I landed on the side of my head, and the helmet I was wearing was smashed. Next morning I had two black eyes and some other facial bruising. I am sure that if I hadn't been wearing that helmet I would now be dead: it would have been my head that was smashed. agp1337
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Mon 19 May 14

suzigirl says...

Controversial But True wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder!
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to![/p][/quote]My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder! suzigirl
  • Score: -1

6:02pm Mon 19 May 14

FNS-man says...

suzigirl wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder!
Riding a bike using a phone is clearly not as dangerous as driving using a phone. Which is why there is no law specifically banning it, unlike for motorists.

Please read my post above for why making helmet wearing mandatory is stupid.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to![/p][/quote]My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder![/p][/quote]Riding a bike using a phone is clearly not as dangerous as driving using a phone. Which is why there is no law specifically banning it, unlike for motorists. Please read my post above for why making helmet wearing mandatory is stupid. FNS-man
  • Score: 3

8:22pm Mon 19 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

suzigirl wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder!
You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to![/p][/quote]My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder![/p][/quote]You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 3

2:14am Sun 25 May 14

Harpya Orkinus says...

Be nice if they could design cycling helmets that didn't make cyclistas look like utter PRATTs !! Not liking the models on offer, I recently purchased a WWI Pickelhaube, which I think looks rather more stylish, and is certainly a *head-turner* - obviously the locals have never perused any of those internetto sites showing *Girls in Pickelhaubes* !! Or maybe they thought I was one of the girls featured therein !!
And speaking of bikers, as someone did in the above comments, when I lived on Portland, I thought I'd like to experience 1960s style biking, so I put on my Stars & Stripes bandanna (worn around the forehead), fired up my Vulcan V-twin cruiser, and pootled off down through Easton, heading for the Pulpit for a half of Guinness. No sooner had I pulled out of my road than a black and white coming the other way saw me and did a U-turn to give chase. I NEVER saw cops there before, and the one time I needed one not to be there, there he was !! As he made his turn, he would have lost sight of me momentarily, so I suppose I should have slipped down a side road into the maze, but I kept on my course, and eventually pulled over for a chat about a klik short of my destination. I told the officer that of COURSE I'd have worn my lid, IF I were going over to England, but since I was still on Portland, I didn't think the same laws applied !!
Be nice if they could design cycling helmets that didn't make cyclistas look like utter PRATTs !! Not liking the models on offer, I recently purchased a WWI Pickelhaube, which I think looks rather more stylish, and is certainly a *head-turner* - obviously the locals have never perused any of those internetto sites showing *Girls in Pickelhaubes* !! Or maybe they thought I was one of the girls featured therein !! And speaking of bikers, as someone did in the above comments, when I lived on Portland, I thought I'd like to experience 1960s style biking, so I put on my Stars & Stripes bandanna (worn around the forehead), fired up my Vulcan V-twin cruiser, and pootled off down through Easton, heading for the Pulpit for a half of Guinness. No sooner had I pulled out of my road than a black and white coming the other way saw me and did a U-turn to give chase. I NEVER saw cops there before, and the one time I needed one not to be there, there he was !! As he made his turn, he would have lost sight of me momentarily, so I suppose I should have slipped down a side road into the maze, but I kept on my course, and eventually pulled over for a chat about a klik short of my destination. I told the officer that of COURSE I'd have worn my lid, IF I were going over to England, but since I was still on Portland, I didn't think the same laws applied !! Harpya Orkinus
  • Score: 0

10:23pm Mon 26 May 14

purple elephant says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.
My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to!
My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder!
You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you.
scrumpy jack says ..."You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you."

Unbelievable. I thought I read it all on these comments..but that scraps the bottom of the cess pit of bullying. Shame on you.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: First comment and we have first little dig. FYI there are a lot of studies that show wearing a helmet increases your risk of injury for a number of reasons. As with most things it is not black and white and requires some 'out of the box thinking'. Not much of that on this site. Hope the man enjoys a full and speedy recovery.[/p][/quote]My first comment isn't a dig. Merely an opportunity to highlight the dangers of not wearing a helmet. I'm a long distance cyclist and I have had near misses, both through my own error of judgement and also from idiots using their phones whilst overtaking me, especially on bends. The hat would have offered protection against head injury. I would not even consider going out on my bike without wearing my helmet and protective fluorescent clothing. I have a very strong view on this and I believe it should be law to wear a hat. It's law to ride with lights and law not to cycle on pavements, so why not wearing helmets? Motorcyclists have to![/p][/quote]My goodness a cyclist who admits there is a law to ride with lights and not to cycle on pavements. Pity so many cyclists do not adhere to these "laws". One of my pet hates is seeing motorists using their mobile phones but I have to say that cyclists using their mobiles whilst riding a bike is equally as dangerous - is there a law for that? My son died in a RTC with a van whilst riding a bicycle and he was wearing a helmet but the impact on his head when hitting the back of the van was enormous and he had no chance of survival. I think there should be a law making it illegal to ride a bicycle without a helmet. I must also say that the young man I seen in Swanage on Saturday getting on to a motorbike with shorts/t shirt and FLIP FLOPS really made me shudder![/p][/quote]You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you.[/p][/quote]scrumpy jack says ..."You don't half talk some crap and constantly bringing your dead son into to try and portray yourself as some all knowing and self righteous belittles both of you." Unbelievable. I thought I read it all on these comments..but that scraps the bottom of the cess pit of bullying. Shame on you. purple elephant
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