Travellers set-up camp on recreation ground in Rossmore Road, Poole, and at Baiter car park

Bournemouth Echo: The travellers on the recreation ground in Rossmore Road The travellers on the recreation ground in Rossmore Road

TRAVELLERS have established two camps in Poole, in what some residents fear could be just the start of another summer of heightened tensions across the borough.

News of the two unauthorised encampments quickly spread to neighbouring Bournemouth Council who immediately stepped-up monitoring of their vulnerable open spaces.

They also beefed-up security at Kings Park to stop “unauthorised camps and maintain access for residents.”

Numerous caravans and vans were spotted driving around Poole on Sunday night. Eventually around ten vehicles were driven onto Hatchard’s Field, Rossmore Road, with another five caravans reported at Baiter Park shortly afterwards.

Borough of Poole officers, who visited both sites yesterday, have been told by those present that they intend to only stay for a short time.

Dorset Police confirmed they received a number of calls, between 6-8pm on Sunday evening, and that four caravans and six vans moved onto the recreation ground at Rossmore, which is next to a children’s play area.

Peter Haikin, Regulatory Services Manager, Borough of Poole, said: “We currently have two unauthorised encampments in Poole. Four caravans and associated vehicles arrived at Hatchards Field play area, Rossmore Road last night (Sunday). Due to the close proximity to the children’s play area, we have commenced legal proceedings to evict the travellers from this site as soon as possible.

“A further two caravans and two motorhomes arrived at Baiter car park today (Monday). We visited the site during the morning and are currently carrying out welfare and health checks before we take legal action.

“We are continuing to monitor these sites to minimise the impact on local residents but we are unable to move these travellers to the new temporary transit site at Piddlehinton as this is outside our boundary.

"Without a transit site or temporary stopping place available in Poole the police are unable to direct travellers to use these alternative sites. In the meantime however, we will do everything within the current powers available to deal with unauthorised encampments as quickly as possible.”

Some neighbours are worried the camp could grow, and that tensions will be heightened while the travellers remain. However, others said the travellers had kept themselves to themselves and caused no problems so far.

When the Daily Echo approached the travellers we were welcomed and politely told “no comment” by one of their party.

Borough of Poole voted last month to spend up to £231,000 to defend six of its most vulnerable spaces against traveller incursions.

This vote took place after controversial plans to transform land at Marshes End, Creekmoor, and off Broadstone Way, into temporary traveller stopping sites crumbled at the planning committee stage.

Last summer was punctuated by a number of unauthorised traveller encampments at many of Poole’s public open spaces, including Branksome Recreation Ground, Baiter and Whitecliff Park.

On the latest Hatchard’s Field encampment, Alderney ward councillor Tony Trent said: “Sadly the lack of a temporary stopping place has claimed a new victim. This is an area that has not suffered invasion for over the last seven years, though it would otherwise meet the criteria for protection.

“This is one of several sites in Poole that are vulnerable to invasion, and there will always be sites that miss out on protection.

“With the TSP that was proposed in place in place, this encampment could have been moved within 24-hours. Unlike the site at Marshes End, this is at the back of people’s houses and near a well enjoyed play area and walking field.”

Residents' voice concerns

Neighbours have voiced concerns about the two encampments at Baiter Park and Hatchard’s Field.

Five caravans in the public car park off Catalina Drive, close to Poole Quay, are believed to have been driven in overnight.

Ray Arrowsmith, 70, who lives opposite, said: “I don’t think that they have the right to be here, do they? If I’m honest, I’m not that happy about them being here.

“My wife saw the police here last night, but they did not do anything. At least they are aware they are here.

“There were dozens of them here at Baiter last summer, but I will say that we didn’t have any trouble.”

Another 73-year-old Baiter resident, who asked not be named, said: “They don’t pay rates, or for parking, so why should we have to pay for them? They leave rubbish here, which included some rusty cars a couple of years ago. If it gets really bad here, we’re going to have to ask for a rebate on our council tax. We’re paying for the views here and they are parked in the way.”

Meanwhile, at Hatchard’s Field, neighbour Terry Baker says the encampment is the first one he’s seen on the recreation ground across the road for 40 years.

The pensioner added: “We’ve had a nice summer so far, and let’s hope this isn’t the start of something regular. To be fair, we’ve had no problems with them so far, so let just wait and see.

A Rossmore business owner, who asked not to be named, said: “Problems will all depend on how long they stay on site and if any more of them arrive, but there’s nothing we can do about it. We just have to get on with things.”

Another neighbour stormed: “It seems there’s one law for them and another for everyone else.

“I think it is disgusting, it really is. They don’t pay council tax, nothing. It’s all of us lot that have to pay for any mess they cause. It is not right. Hopefully this won’t be the start of another summer of problems.”

Fears raised over incursions after proposed transit sites rejected

CONCERNS were raised earlier this year after Borough of Poole’s planning committee ruled against applications for two temporary traveller stopping sites within the town.

Officials, including Dorset Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill, had argued that by having designated stopping sites, they hoped to avoid a repeat of last summer that saw a number of unauthorised encampments encroach on Poole’s parks and open spaces.

Dorset Police said they would have been able to move on unauthorised encampments more swiftly if the borough had designated stopping sites to direct travellers to.

But plans to establish the sites at Marshes End, Creekmoor, and at land off Broadstone Way, were met by a wall a opposition – particularly from ward councillors and local residents.

The proposals failed to make it through the council’s planning committee, which had to be convened at Poole’s Lighthouse Theatre because of the large numbers of residents wanting to attend.

Speaking to the Daily Echo afterwards, council leader Elaine Atkinson said the borough must still press on to find alternatives sites within the town, or face more summers of escalating tension between residents and the travelling community.

Other Poole residents warned the victory for Marshes End and Broadstone Way would almost definitely spell trouble for the borough’s parks and opens spaces in the coming months.

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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8:10am Mon 12 May 14

we-shall-see says...

And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: 174

8:20am Mon 12 May 14

Controversial But True says...

"Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation."


Is there any point even bothering to comment! This 'race' obviously have more rights than anyone else!
"Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation." Is there any point even bothering to comment! This 'race' obviously have more rights than anyone else! Controversial But True
  • Score: 253

8:36am Mon 12 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist...
Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist... boardsandphotos
  • Score: 140

8:53am Mon 12 May 14

Franks Tank says...

Everyone happy now??
Everyone happy now?? Franks Tank
  • Score: 10

8:56am Mon 12 May 14

OSRMSParent says...

There are also at Baiter car park in Poole. Only about 4 motorhomes/caravans at the moment.
There are also at Baiter car park in Poole. Only about 4 motorhomes/caravans at the moment. OSRMSParent
  • Score: 26

9:00am Mon 12 May 14

RM says...

And have the police carried out checks for valid tax, insurance and MOTs on any of the traveller vehicles like they do on residents' cars when they suspect there may be any illegal actions? And have we had an official statement from our highly paid PCC? Didn't think so.
And have the police carried out checks for valid tax, insurance and MOTs on any of the traveller vehicles like they do on residents' cars when they suspect there may be any illegal actions? And have we had an official statement from our highly paid PCC? Didn't think so. RM
  • Score: 166

9:01am Mon 12 May 14

susi.m says...

Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc?
Checking that would be a start surely.
Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth.
Police - man up please
Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc? Checking that would be a start surely. Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth. Police - man up please susi.m
  • Score: 160

9:04am Mon 12 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

The council clearly had no real plan to do anything this year, even if the permanent site had gone ahead it would never have been ready this year and likewise the plan to spend £231k defending the borough, by the time its put in place the summer will be over, they should have got on and done something last September!
The council clearly had no real plan to do anything this year, even if the permanent site had gone ahead it would never have been ready this year and likewise the plan to spend £231k defending the borough, by the time its put in place the summer will be over, they should have got on and done something last September! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 77

9:05am Mon 12 May 14

Townee says...

On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act. Townee
  • Score: 60

9:17am Mon 12 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them. TheDistrict
  • Score: 75

9:17am Mon 12 May 14

DorsetFerret says...

An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?
An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early? DorsetFerret
  • Score: 86

9:18am Mon 12 May 14

Wackerone says...

So much for the 'lockdown' then!
So much for the 'lockdown' then! Wackerone
  • Score: 69

9:21am Mon 12 May 14

MrPitiful says...

I wonder when they will pop in for a visit to us over in Sunny Bournemouth?

Nice bit of camping ground on the town hall car park. No barriers and close to all local amenities. Very peaceful too as not much goes on there.
I wonder when they will pop in for a visit to us over in Sunny Bournemouth? Nice bit of camping ground on the town hall car park. No barriers and close to all local amenities. Very peaceful too as not much goes on there. MrPitiful
  • Score: 103

9:31am Mon 12 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them.
Have the government given permission for the separate authorities of Bournemouth, Poole and Dorset to share a site? I know they talked about it, but didn't think they had actually agreed they could.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them.[/p][/quote]Have the government given permission for the separate authorities of Bournemouth, Poole and Dorset to share a site? I know they talked about it, but didn't think they had actually agreed they could. Carolyn43
  • Score: 19

9:33am Mon 12 May 14

poolebabe says...

The authorities need to make sure they don't discriminate. This includes giving out fines for illegal parking, littering, anti social behaviour, criminal damage etc.
The authorities need to make sure they don't discriminate. This includes giving out fines for illegal parking, littering, anti social behaviour, criminal damage etc. poolebabe
  • Score: 102

9:39am Mon 12 May 14

The Liberal says...

No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment.
No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment. The Liberal
  • Score: 33

9:44am Mon 12 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

The Liberal wrote:
No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment.
It's all about the context.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment.[/p][/quote]It's all about the context. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 8

9:46am Mon 12 May 14

In Absentia says...

Branksome Rec will be next, it looks very vulnerable to incursions to me. Where are the security measures?
Branksome Rec will be next, it looks very vulnerable to incursions to me. Where are the security measures? In Absentia
  • Score: 22

9:46am Mon 12 May 14

dvdr says...

Don't move them! Block them in, even (accidentally) temporarily! Once they have to walk everywhere, and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon give up and try somewhere else.
Don't move them! Block them in, even (accidentally) temporarily! Once they have to walk everywhere, and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon give up and try somewhere else. dvdr
  • Score: 54

10:14am Mon 12 May 14

RM says...

Notice the Council website doesn't seem to have caught up with the fact that there ARE unauthorised encampments here -

https://selfservice.
boroughofpoole.com/p
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List of Current Unauthorised Encampments in The Borough of Poole
To find out what we can, and cannot do, about Unauthorised Encampments please read our FAQs.
This list was last updated on:
12 May 2014
at
09:06
Notice the Council website doesn't seem to have caught up with the fact that there ARE unauthorised encampments here - https://selfservice. boroughofpoole.com/p opup.aspx/RenderForm /?F.Name=TvboXnB7vhD List of Current Unauthorised Encampments in The Borough of Poole To find out what we can, and cannot do, about Unauthorised Encampments please read our FAQs. This list was last updated on: 12 May 2014 at 09:06 RM
  • Score: 16

10:14am Mon 12 May 14

Dave2207 says...

Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey?
Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc.
May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?
Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey? Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc. May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too? Dave2207
  • Score: 47

10:16am Mon 12 May 14

ctrewyou says...

We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.
We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents. ctrewyou
  • Score: 9

10:18am Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

"Police are liaising with Poole council who will now manage the situation."

Also known as doing nothing and hoping they go away.
"Police are liaising with Poole council who will now manage the situation." Also known as doing nothing and hoping they go away. speedy231278
  • Score: 55

10:23am Mon 12 May 14

boyerboy says...

I love the re runs of "dad`s army"....here we go again, another laugh a minute story of Council staff who can`t do anything( thank you Judy Butt ?)right.
I love the re runs of "dad`s army"....here we go again, another laugh a minute story of Council staff who can`t do anything( thank you Judy Butt ?)right. boyerboy
  • Score: 15

10:27am Mon 12 May 14

RM says...

Dave2207 wrote:
Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey?
Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc.
May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?
This would require the Keystone Kops to have both the will & the initiative to work for their pay, protecting the law abiding residents. I won't hold my breath.
[quote][p][bold]Dave2207[/bold] wrote: Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey? Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc. May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?[/p][/quote]This would require the Keystone Kops to have both the will & the initiative to work for their pay, protecting the law abiding residents. I won't hold my breath. RM
  • Score: 16

10:31am Mon 12 May 14

ashleycross says...

we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called.
Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly.
Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called. Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly. Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much. ashleycross
  • Score: -8

10:34am Mon 12 May 14

ashleycross says...

Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
Your google-fu is letting you down dude, Dorset and Poole have been separate local authorities for seventeen years, so Dorset doesn't have to let Poole use its sites.
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]Your google-fu is letting you down dude, Dorset and Poole have been separate local authorities for seventeen years, so Dorset doesn't have to let Poole use its sites. ashleycross
  • Score: 11

10:36am Mon 12 May 14

ashleycross says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them.
Dorset sites aren't available to Poole, since 1997 we have been separate local authorities.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Now Council get your butts into gear and move them, not in a week or ten days, but now. As stated, if there are legal campsites, then they can be moved. Move them.[/p][/quote]Dorset sites aren't available to Poole, since 1997 we have been separate local authorities. ashleycross
  • Score: 12

10:44am Mon 12 May 14

skydriver says...

These people will not get moved on until they have racked up a huge amount of money in clear up cost not to mention legal fees. The council are useless come to that so are many rules and regulations on this topic that slow things up.these people should be made to pay like the rest of us would have to.
These people will not get moved on until they have racked up a huge amount of money in clear up cost not to mention legal fees. The council are useless come to that so are many rules and regulations on this topic that slow things up.these people should be made to pay like the rest of us would have to. skydriver
  • Score: 26

10:59am Mon 12 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

ctrewyou wrote:
We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.
You seem confused. Poole does have a permanent site. It's for "travellers" who decide to settle on the site permanently.
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A transit site has to have showers, toilets, childrens' playground and other amenities, and is for travellers who stop for a while and then move on.
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A temporary stopping place (which was proposed and then rejected by the planning committee) just has to have hard standing, water, toilets and a skip and is for travellers stopping for a short time.
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It's been established that there is nowhere for a transit site in either Bournemouth or Poole. The proposed Temporary Stopping place in Poole was rejected as unsuitable, particularly on various safety grounds. Even if it had gone ahead, the travellers themselves said they wouldn't use it. That means they've have pitched up on either public land in Bournemouth or privately owned land in Poole. So not a solution.
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The only solution is a change in the law.
[quote][p][bold]ctrewyou[/bold] wrote: We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.[/p][/quote]You seem confused. Poole does have a permanent site. It's for "travellers" who decide to settle on the site permanently. ....... A transit site has to have showers, toilets, childrens' playground and other amenities, and is for travellers who stop for a while and then move on. ....... A temporary stopping place (which was proposed and then rejected by the planning committee) just has to have hard standing, water, toilets and a skip and is for travellers stopping for a short time. ...... It's been established that there is nowhere for a transit site in either Bournemouth or Poole. The proposed Temporary Stopping place in Poole was rejected as unsuitable, particularly on various safety grounds. Even if it had gone ahead, the travellers themselves said they wouldn't use it. That means they've have pitched up on either public land in Bournemouth or privately owned land in Poole. So not a solution. ....... The only solution is a change in the law. Carolyn43
  • Score: 16

11:02am Mon 12 May 14

muscliffman says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist...
I think we certainly should (and can) discuss the rights and wrongs of their ethnic recognition - but as with any person or group of people keep it inoffensive and civil.

Removing this UK ethnic recognition for 'travellers' (thus reflecting the Republic of Ireland's position) would certainly clarify the legal position in favour of the general population during situations like this latest one - I understand it is UKIP policy for that reason. But of course it might not actually suit some of our liberal public authorities because they would no longer be able to hide behind plentiful PC reasons to explain their lacklustre responses and inevitably timid inaction.

In respect of the query posed "Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups..." A simple glance at the 'Irish travellers' vehicles turning up in past years raises an immediate suspicion, because most were not displaying Irish number plates but UK ones, suggesting they might well be registered to British owners and most certainly to UK addresses. Did any one in authority ask any questions about that......probably not!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist...[/p][/quote]I think we certainly should (and can) discuss the rights and wrongs of their ethnic recognition - but as with any person or group of people keep it inoffensive and civil. Removing this UK ethnic recognition for 'travellers' (thus reflecting the Republic of Ireland's position) would certainly clarify the legal position in favour of the general population during situations like this latest one - I understand it is UKIP policy for that reason. But of course it might not actually suit some of our liberal public authorities because they would no longer be able to hide behind plentiful PC reasons to explain their lacklustre responses and inevitably timid inaction. In respect of the query posed "Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups..." A simple glance at the 'Irish travellers' vehicles turning up in past years raises an immediate suspicion, because most were not displaying Irish number plates but UK ones, suggesting they might well be registered to British owners and most certainly to UK addresses. Did any one in authority ask any questions about that......probably not! muscliffman
  • Score: 40

11:17am Mon 12 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.
The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 82

11:24am Mon 12 May 14

nickynoodah says...

Where are the dopey half baked police
last time they came up with
'our hands are tied behind our backs'
how dopey is that.
Where are the dopey half baked police last time they came up with 'our hands are tied behind our backs' how dopey is that. nickynoodah
  • Score: -9

11:34am Mon 12 May 14

The Liberal says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.
In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.
 
I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.[/p][/quote]In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.   I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint. The Liberal
  • Score: 5

11:36am Mon 12 May 14

coster says...

This is totally unsurprising as the PC control block is now complete. Free speech or even thought is now suppressed. We now all believe that homosexuality is the norm, that swearing and bad behaviour by our entertainers is to be applauded. drugs are a matter of choice, that the uncontrolled and unmeasured entry of all to the country is to be accepted, and the benefits this brings outweighs all objections.
This is totally unsurprising as the PC control block is now complete. Free speech or even thought is now suppressed. We now all believe that homosexuality is the norm, that swearing and bad behaviour by our entertainers is to be applauded. drugs are a matter of choice, that the uncontrolled and unmeasured entry of all to the country is to be accepted, and the benefits this brings outweighs all objections. coster
  • Score: 24

11:39am Mon 12 May 14

we-shall-see says...

ashleycross wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called.
Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly.
Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.
You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making.

"Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers.

I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc.

If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on.

One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called. Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly. Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.[/p][/quote]You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making. "Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers. I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc. If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on. One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: 56

11:47am Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

I don't recall being consulted on making this lot an ethnically protected minority. Can we have a referendum on it please? I understand those 'racist' UKIP people have mooted the idea of dispensing with the classification, but I suspect the PC brigade would complain all the time it's not their recs and parks being sqatted on while the Police and councils chew their fingernails in terror at the thought of upholding the law....
I don't recall being consulted on making this lot an ethnically protected minority. Can we have a referendum on it please? I understand those 'racist' UKIP people have mooted the idea of dispensing with the classification, but I suspect the PC brigade would complain all the time it's not their recs and parks being sqatted on while the Police and councils chew their fingernails in terror at the thought of upholding the law.... speedy231278
  • Score: 28

11:47am Mon 12 May 14

Tony Trent says...

Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs.
If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours.
I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest!
Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs. If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours. I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest! Tony Trent
  • Score: 4

11:58am Mon 12 May 14

BmthNewshound says...

What gets me is if I illegally park or overstay in a council car park - including Baiter Park for just a few minutes I risk getting a parking ticket but because travellers are classed as an ethnic minority they are allowed to park up pretty much wherever they please and face no penalty.
.
The way things are going in this country it won’t be long before law abiding taxpayers like myself will be able to classed as an ethnic minority.
What gets me is if I illegally park or overstay in a council car park - including Baiter Park for just a few minutes I risk getting a parking ticket but because travellers are classed as an ethnic minority they are allowed to park up pretty much wherever they please and face no penalty. . The way things are going in this country it won’t be long before law abiding taxpayers like myself will be able to classed as an ethnic minority. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 50

12:04pm Mon 12 May 14

Tony Trent says...

The Liberal wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.
In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.
 
I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint.
I will await the usual "simple" solutions, though at least one or two people "get it". I can assure those on this forum that if a "simple" solution was available it would have been introduced. As for ethnic rights, I would suggest aquiring a TARDIS and having a word with King John, and then see how the dictators of the last century dealt with the problem. There are ways of dealing with the problems that work for both sides, but they generally get sunk by the usual suspects. I do fear for our future as a civilised country when I read some of these inputs. I would advise - engage brain, LISTEN , think, and then post or (preferably) seek a dialogue. That way will move us a lot closer to a solution than these rants.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.[/p][/quote]In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.   I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint.[/p][/quote]I will await the usual "simple" solutions, though at least one or two people "get it". I can assure those on this forum that if a "simple" solution was available it would have been introduced. As for ethnic rights, I would suggest aquiring a TARDIS and having a word with King John, and then see how the dictators of the last century dealt with the problem. There are ways of dealing with the problems that work for both sides, but they generally get sunk by the usual suspects. I do fear for our future as a civilised country when I read some of these inputs. I would advise - engage brain, LISTEN , think, and then post or (preferably) seek a dialogue. That way will move us a lot closer to a solution than these rants. Tony Trent
  • Score: -11

12:46pm Mon 12 May 14

DabGabby says...

o dear time to lock me valuables away and not answer me door for cold calling, my tarmac drive is ok ty
o dear time to lock me valuables away and not answer me door for cold calling, my tarmac drive is ok ty DabGabby
  • Score: 22

12:46pm Mon 12 May 14

hamworthygirl says...

I dont see this as a race issue it just lazy scrounging people who dont work, makes no difference what label you put on. Not a problem that going away in the near future i dont think.
I dont see this as a race issue it just lazy scrounging people who dont work, makes no difference what label you put on. Not a problem that going away in the near future i dont think. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 28

12:49pm Mon 12 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Tony Trent wrote:
Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs.
If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours.
I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest!
The only real problem with what you are trying to say here Tony, is the simple fact that the TSP would not have been ready yet even if it had got planning permission and also because the site was unsuitable the travellers would have refused to use it. So we would have been in the exact same position as we are right now, except the Council would have wasted £250k.

Prevention and get the law changed is still the best long term solution.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs. If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours. I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest![/p][/quote]The only real problem with what you are trying to say here Tony, is the simple fact that the TSP would not have been ready yet even if it had got planning permission and also because the site was unsuitable the travellers would have refused to use it. So we would have been in the exact same position as we are right now, except the Council would have wasted £250k. Prevention and get the law changed is still the best long term solution. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 22

12:53pm Mon 12 May 14

GarrySibbald says...

The echo article states "Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act." The wikipedia definition for "Irish Travellers" seems to differ from caravan, van, irish accent and trespasser which appears to apply to the crowd who visit our area each year!
The echo article states "Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act." The wikipedia definition for "Irish Travellers" seems to differ from caravan, van, irish accent and trespasser which appears to apply to the crowd who visit our area each year! GarrySibbald
  • Score: 26

1:09pm Mon 12 May 14

RM says...

The No 10 Petition website has accepted a petition asking for the removal of travellers' ethnic minority status so this must be something the government can legally do. So if you're unhappy with the way the travellers play the 'ethnic minority' card & are supported by the PC brigade - sign the petition. Otherwise just accept that things aren't going to change anytime soon.
http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822
The No 10 Petition website has accepted a petition asking for the removal of travellers' ethnic minority status so this must be something the government can legally do. So if you're unhappy with the way the travellers play the 'ethnic minority' card & are supported by the PC brigade - sign the petition. Otherwise just accept that things aren't going to change anytime soon. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 RM
  • Score: 25

1:25pm Mon 12 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

ctrewyou wrote:
We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.
There are more than 2 choices. Sign the petition to take there rights away from them but not many people can be bothered. It's on the government website and very easy to find. Not bothering to put a link as only a couple of people signed it a few weeks ago when this topic was last in the echo. Too many people are all talk and no action
[quote][p][bold]ctrewyou[/bold] wrote: We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.[/p][/quote]There are more than 2 choices. Sign the petition to take there rights away from them but not many people can be bothered. It's on the government website and very easy to find. Not bothering to put a link as only a couple of people signed it a few weeks ago when this topic was last in the echo. Too many people are all talk and no action justsayithowitis
  • Score: 10

1:32pm Mon 12 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Groundhog Day......
Groundhog Day...... BIGTONE
  • Score: 6

1:32pm Mon 12 May 14

High Treason says...

" Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act"

That is why we will get nowhere with Lib Lab Con. They do not have the same problems in France but wimpy UK puts up with it all and we pay.
" Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act" That is why we will get nowhere with Lib Lab Con. They do not have the same problems in France but wimpy UK puts up with it all and we pay. High Treason
  • Score: 21

1:33pm Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

Not wanting a transit camp is not necessarily NIMBYism. Quite simply, I don't want this lot of freeloaders having one anywhere, seeing as they contribute zero to the cost and simply want free parking. If the travelling community stumped up the the money to fit out a site for use as one on land that wasn't being used for anything else, I doubt people would mind so much. Why exactly should these people be given free board and lodgings at the expense of everyone else who actually pays their taxes and respects the trespass law?
Not wanting a transit camp is not necessarily NIMBYism. Quite simply, I don't want this lot of freeloaders having one anywhere, seeing as they contribute zero to the cost and simply want free parking. If the travelling community stumped up the the money to fit out a site for use as one on land that wasn't being used for anything else, I doubt people would mind so much. Why exactly should these people be given free board and lodgings at the expense of everyone else who actually pays their taxes and respects the trespass law? speedy231278
  • Score: 37

1:33pm Mon 12 May 14

ProgressiveBournemouth says...

I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.
I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate. ProgressiveBournemouth
  • Score: -61

1:35pm Mon 12 May 14

The Liberal says...

coster wrote:
This is totally unsurprising as the PC control block is now complete. Free speech or even thought is now suppressed. We now all believe that homosexuality is the norm, that swearing and bad behaviour by our entertainers is to be applauded. drugs are a matter of choice, that the uncontrolled and unmeasured entry of all to the country is to be accepted, and the benefits this brings outweighs all objections.
If free speech is suppressed, how come you were able to make that comment?
 
It does amuse me how you can link all those completely disparate things into one diatribe, though.
[quote][p][bold]coster[/bold] wrote: This is totally unsurprising as the PC control block is now complete. Free speech or even thought is now suppressed. We now all believe that homosexuality is the norm, that swearing and bad behaviour by our entertainers is to be applauded. drugs are a matter of choice, that the uncontrolled and unmeasured entry of all to the country is to be accepted, and the benefits this brings outweighs all objections.[/p][/quote]If free speech is suppressed, how come you were able to make that comment?   It does amuse me how you can link all those completely disparate things into one diatribe, though. The Liberal
  • Score: -5

1:39pm Mon 12 May 14

madras says...

Taking. The. Pi55. - No right to camp there. No thought for others who want to enjoy the space. And assume the place will also be left like a dump. If drivers who commit certain offences can have their cars confiscated then why not same here - park caravans, etc, where they are allowed to be and then confiscate means of moving them / immobilise them
Taking. The. Pi55. - No right to camp there. No thought for others who want to enjoy the space. And assume the place will also be left like a dump. If drivers who commit certain offences can have their cars confiscated then why not same here - park caravans, etc, where they are allowed to be and then confiscate means of moving them / immobilise them madras
  • Score: 29

1:47pm Mon 12 May 14

A N Archist says...

The paddling pool baby facists of UKIP must be loving this.
The paddling pool baby facists of UKIP must be loving this. A N Archist
  • Score: -37

1:57pm Mon 12 May 14

speedy231278 says...

ProgressiveBournemou
th
wrote:
I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.
Yup, it's clearly racist to dislike freeloaders being treated like royalty while everyone else obeys the law and picks up the bill! Perhaps your screen name should be RegressiveBournemout
h?
[quote][p][bold]ProgressiveBournemou th[/bold] wrote: I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.[/p][/quote]Yup, it's clearly racist to dislike freeloaders being treated like royalty while everyone else obeys the law and picks up the bill! Perhaps your screen name should be RegressiveBournemout h? speedy231278
  • Score: 50

2:08pm Mon 12 May 14

N Smith says...

Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else. N Smith
  • Score: 20

2:36pm Mon 12 May 14

MMM444 says...

The Liberal wrote:
No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment.
Blimey, your comments still here
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: No, the travellers shouldn't be there, but you have to admire the sheer brass neck of the Echo. While warning us about using certain 'racist' terms (one of which they use themselves in the disclaimer!) and giving the impression of being all politically correct, they can't wait to print as many of these stories as they can and stir up resentment.[/p][/quote]Blimey, your comments still here MMM444
  • Score: 6

2:41pm Mon 12 May 14

Shogun50 says...

Who says they are Irish travellers or romany gypsies. I was on Baiter Park this morning and they had Liverpool accents, so they are English, not Irish. I accept they could have been Romany gypsies, but where is the proof as has been stated earlier. As for not buying anything from them and they will move on - well that isn't true. They obtain caravan/camper pitches for nothing and park for nothing, so why should they pay for anything else. In fact, why should I? Because I abide by the law as other decent law abiding, income tax paying, council tax paying, road tax paying, etc etc, citzens do. That's why.
Who says they are Irish travellers or romany gypsies. I was on Baiter Park this morning and they had Liverpool accents, so they are English, not Irish. I accept they could have been Romany gypsies, but where is the proof as has been stated earlier. As for not buying anything from them and they will move on - well that isn't true. They obtain caravan/camper pitches for nothing and park for nothing, so why should they pay for anything else. In fact, why should I? Because I abide by the law as other decent law abiding, income tax paying, council tax paying, road tax paying, etc etc, citzens do. That's why. Shogun50
  • Score: 26

2:42pm Mon 12 May 14

MMM444 says...

N Smith wrote:
Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter MMM444
  • Score: 25

2:42pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

And as every year it all bgins again.

The council will wring their hands in feigned dispair, the forum will be invaded by the 'political correctness gone mad' brigade blaming the EU, liberals and lord knows what else .....again, and little will be done.

Yes the area will be blighted with more boulders, huge fences and low gates and the police will 'be monitoring the situation'..asalways
.

Yet rarely do we hear any reasoned explanation or discussion as to why these folk are able to do what they do. That would be too easy I fear..

In the year 2000 an English court ruled that these folk were a seperate ethnic group and so they were entitled to protection in how they lived their lives. We have never been told what qualifies a person to be of this seperate ethnic group, merely a presumption that if they state they are we have to accept it ............... and all the consequent problems they bring.

No explanation from the government as to why Eire doesn't have this ruling ... or problems either.

So can we try to focus on dealing with the cause of these annual 'incursions' and not the effects. ? Then maybe we might begin to get this sorted once and for all.
And as every year it all bgins again. The council will wring their hands in feigned dispair, the forum will be invaded by the 'political correctness gone mad' brigade blaming the EU, liberals and lord knows what else .....again, and little will be done. Yes the area will be blighted with more boulders, huge fences and low gates and the police will 'be monitoring the situation'..asalways . Yet rarely do we hear any reasoned explanation or discussion as to why these folk are able to do what they do. That would be too easy I fear.. In the year 2000 an English court ruled that these folk were a seperate ethnic group and so they were entitled to protection in how they lived their lives. We have never been told what qualifies a person to be of this seperate ethnic group, merely a presumption that if they state they are we have to accept it ............... and all the consequent problems they bring. No explanation from the government as to why Eire doesn't have this ruling ... or problems either. So can we try to focus on dealing with the cause of these annual 'incursions' and not the effects. ? Then maybe we might begin to get this sorted once and for all. Bob49
  • Score: 29

2:46pm Mon 12 May 14

MMM444 says...

madras wrote:
Taking. The. Pi55. - No right to camp there. No thought for others who want to enjoy the space. And assume the place will also be left like a dump. If drivers who commit certain offences can have their cars confiscated then why not same here - park caravans, etc, where they are allowed to be and then confiscate means of moving them / immobilise them
Exactly, confiscate there vehicles, job done.
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: Taking. The. Pi55. - No right to camp there. No thought for others who want to enjoy the space. And assume the place will also be left like a dump. If drivers who commit certain offences can have their cars confiscated then why not same here - park caravans, etc, where they are allowed to be and then confiscate means of moving them / immobilise them[/p][/quote]Exactly, confiscate there vehicles, job done. MMM444
  • Score: 22

2:57pm Mon 12 May 14

poolebabe says...

Tony Trent wrote:
Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs.
If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours.
I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest!
Who pays for all this Tony? Do travelers pay to stay on a transit site or towards maintaining one?
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs. If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours. I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest![/p][/quote]Who pays for all this Tony? Do travelers pay to stay on a transit site or towards maintaining one? poolebabe
  • Score: 13

3:04pm Mon 12 May 14

Kiki1973 says...

Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven?
Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven? Kiki1973
  • Score: 23

3:09pm Mon 12 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

If it gets really bad here, we’re going to have to ask for a rebate on our council tax.'

.....

best of luck with that one chum :-)
If it gets really bad here, we’re going to have to ask for a rebate on our council tax.' ..... best of luck with that one chum :-) Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 6

3:10pm Mon 12 May 14

Peroni says...

poolebabe wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs.
If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours.
I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest!
Who pays for all this Tony? Do travelers pay to stay on a transit site or towards maintaining one?
Tax payer is already paying and has paid for many many years the site at Mannings Heath Road....
How much was the overhaul £1.5 million ?
Trent always says we should all think what we say and do....hahahha
We pay the councils and Goverment to to this and look at the mess we are all in.
[quote][p][bold]poolebabe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs. If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours. I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest![/p][/quote]Who pays for all this Tony? Do travelers pay to stay on a transit site or towards maintaining one?[/p][/quote]Tax payer is already paying and has paid for many many years the site at Mannings Heath Road.... How much was the overhaul £1.5 million ? Trent always says we should all think what we say and do....hahahha We pay the councils and Goverment to to this and look at the mess we are all in. Peroni
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

Kiki1973 wrote:
Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven?
That goes right to the core of the problem.

Never mind what the definition of a supposed traveller is, how do you define who is a traveller. What actually checks do the police of council officials make ?

Perhaps the Daily Echo could ask the police and council that question, as I am sure there are many who would like to know .....

............ if only so that they might be able to qualify for these 'stay out of jail free' exemptions next time they fancy journeying around our green and pleasant land.
[quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven?[/p][/quote]That goes right to the core of the problem. Never mind what the definition of a supposed traveller is, how do you define who is a traveller. What actually checks do the police of council officials make ? Perhaps the Daily Echo could ask the police and council that question, as I am sure there are many who would like to know ..... ............ if only so that they might be able to qualify for these 'stay out of jail free' exemptions next time they fancy journeying around our green and pleasant land. Bob49
  • Score: 18

3:46pm Mon 12 May 14

fireflier says...

Guess it's open season now!

About time these spongers felt the same 'arm of the law' as the rest of us would if we parked our caravan up on averge somewhere!

I am British ...but I wouldn't get away with action like this and be left on-site, by the police and council, for week or so . Disgraceful
Guess it's open season now! About time these spongers felt the same 'arm of the law' as the rest of us would if we parked our caravan up on averge somewhere! I am British ...but I wouldn't get away with action like this and be left on-site, by the police and council, for week or so . Disgraceful fireflier
  • Score: 21

3:54pm Mon 12 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
I wonder what would happen if the Borough fenced them in with skips of rubble which could be removed, in due course, upon payment of a substantial fee.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]I wonder what would happen if the Borough fenced them in with skips of rubble which could be removed, in due course, upon payment of a substantial fee. Ebb Tide
  • Score: 19

4:01pm Mon 12 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
The council clearly had no real plan to do anything this year, even if the permanent site had gone ahead it would never have been ready this year and likewise the plan to spend £231k defending the borough, by the time its put in place the summer will be over, they should have got on and done something last September!
The judicious placing of skips full of rubble should not take long to organise and finance. They could be painted in corporation colours and look very jolly during the holiday season for those wishing to use our public open spaces for overnight stays. Hopefully some might find themselves trapped behind such skips which could be removed temporarily for a substantial fee.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: The council clearly had no real plan to do anything this year, even if the permanent site had gone ahead it would never have been ready this year and likewise the plan to spend £231k defending the borough, by the time its put in place the summer will be over, they should have got on and done something last September![/p][/quote]The judicious placing of skips full of rubble should not take long to organise and finance. They could be painted in corporation colours and look very jolly during the holiday season for those wishing to use our public open spaces for overnight stays. Hopefully some might find themselves trapped behind such skips which could be removed temporarily for a substantial fee. Ebb Tide
  • Score: 14

4:14pm Mon 12 May 14

DorsetFerret says...

Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly! DorsetFerret
  • Score: 9

4:28pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

how would a council take swift action ..... if that swift action would require the police to enforce it ?

Part of that ruling made in 30th August 2000 was that -

"He said that to exclude Irish travellers from protection under the Race Relations Act ............. - the appeal court had decided Romany Gypsies were covered by the legislation and the two groups shared many characteristics"

Ths is far too vague and open to interpretation. That is what needs challenging, the onus should be of these folk to prove that they are part of this ethnic group NOT local councils to disprove the fact.

Sadly, as ever, the real challenge will not come as any serious debate is always drowned by the usual ill informed rantings as posted further up the thread.
how would a council take swift action ..... if that swift action would require the police to enforce it ? Part of that ruling made in 30th August 2000 was that - "He said that to exclude Irish travellers from protection under the Race Relations Act ............. - the appeal court had decided Romany Gypsies were covered by the legislation and the two groups shared many characteristics" Ths is far too vague and open to interpretation. That is what needs challenging, the onus should be of these folk to prove that they are part of this ethnic group NOT local councils to disprove the fact. Sadly, as ever, the real challenge will not come as any serious debate is always drowned by the usual ill informed rantings as posted further up the thread. Bob49
  • Score: 6

4:30pm Mon 12 May 14

loftusrod says...

One or two comments here are asking the question l've been asking for years on these stories.......how do we know they are 'travellers' and not just 'people with caravans'?
If indeed that qualifies them for the free parking etc, what checks are made to make sure they fit in to this group?
One or two comments here are asking the question l've been asking for years on these stories.......how do we know they are 'travellers' and not just 'people with caravans'? If indeed that qualifies them for the free parking etc, what checks are made to make sure they fit in to this group? loftusrod
  • Score: 16

4:34pm Mon 12 May 14

alanrr says...

people say that they can't park in the car parks without paying for a ticket.....well now is the time to try it......go to baiter park and just park up, stroll round poole and see if when you return you have a fine waiting for you
people say that they can't park in the car parks without paying for a ticket.....well now is the time to try it......go to baiter park and just park up, stroll round poole and see if when you return you have a fine waiting for you alanrr
  • Score: 19

4:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

The Liberal wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.
In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.
 
I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint.
I'm not talking about setting up a camp.
I'm talking about parking somewhere illegally and the difference between how I would be treated and how travellers are treated.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: The Echo is very happy to point out that travellers have rights under the race relations act, but what about OUR rights? The issue of why travellers are treated differently to the rest of us has absolutely NOTHING to do with ethnicity. If I park illegally somewhere I risk getting fined, being moved on, arrested or even prosecuted etc. Travellers on the other hand are allowed to do whatever they want whenever they want with impunity because they play the race card. It's a national disgrace that they are able to dodge the law in this way. All I want is for them to be treated the same way as the rest of us. If they park illegally, FINE them, MOVE THEM ON and if they fail to comply, ARREST and PROSECUTE them.[/p][/quote]In fact, everyone has exactly the same rights to set up a camp. A case in point is when members of the Occupy movement set up camp outside Bournemouth Town Hall in late 2011 and weren't evicted for well over a week.   I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is from a legal standpoint.[/p][/quote]I'm not talking about setting up a camp. I'm talking about parking somewhere illegally and the difference between how I would be treated and how travellers are treated. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 10

4:42pm Mon 12 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly![/p][/quote]Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted justsayithowitis
  • Score: 10

5:08pm Mon 12 May 14

susi.m says...

They are In the area for The Wheels thing in Bournemouth the weekend after next.
They are In the area for The Wheels thing in Bournemouth the weekend after next. susi.m
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Mon 12 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

how about a load of people in yachts, pull up on Poole quay, block the whole quay side for the summer, and when asked to move just say, NO !!! we are a transient community,, I wonder how that would go down.
how about a load of people in yachts, pull up on Poole quay, block the whole quay side for the summer, and when asked to move just say, NO !!! we are a transient community,, I wonder how that would go down. SuperSnooper
  • Score: 19

5:19pm Mon 12 May 14

Baysider says...

N Smith wrote:
Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
...is the correct answer.

They all have vans ergo they have come to WORK not on holiday or for the steam fair in 4 months time.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]...is the correct answer. They all have vans ergo they have come to WORK not on holiday or for the steam fair in 4 months time. Baysider
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Mon 12 May 14

60plus says...

I hope the police are checking their vehicles for tax and insurance because they are quick enough to check everyone else's,and why haven't they put barriers up?typical of Poole council leave it until it's to late.
I hope the police are checking their vehicles for tax and insurance because they are quick enough to check everyone else's,and why haven't they put barriers up?typical of Poole council leave it until it's to late. 60plus
  • Score: 17

5:23pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

It's just the rest of society has a different word for what they term work
It's just the rest of society has a different word for what they term work Bob49
  • Score: 11

5:26pm Mon 12 May 14

Lilliput man says...

Please can all residents of Bournemouth and Poole not employ this group of people. Employ only known respected qualified trades persons who pay tax and contribute to your community. These people come here because there are rich pickings from folk willing to have work done for cash. No work they will leave .
Let's pull together and remember none of us want them near us or causing damage that we all have to pay for and frankly why should any of us have to pay taxes to help defend our open spaces or make provision for this bunch of freeloaders.
Other advice book your doctors appointment now as travellers take precedent over you
Please can all residents of Bournemouth and Poole not employ this group of people. Employ only known respected qualified trades persons who pay tax and contribute to your community. These people come here because there are rich pickings from folk willing to have work done for cash. No work they will leave . Let's pull together and remember none of us want them near us or causing damage that we all have to pay for and frankly why should any of us have to pay taxes to help defend our open spaces or make provision for this bunch of freeloaders. Other advice book your doctors appointment now as travellers take precedent over you Lilliput man
  • Score: 12

5:48pm Mon 12 May 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
yes i believe they are
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]yes i believe they are DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 8

6:49pm Mon 12 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

Shogun50 wrote:
Who says they are Irish travellers or romany gypsies. I was on Baiter Park this morning and they had Liverpool accents, so they are English, not Irish. I accept they could have been Romany gypsies, but where is the proof as has been stated earlier. As for not buying anything from them and they will move on - well that isn't true. They obtain caravan/camper pitches for nothing and park for nothing, so why should they pay for anything else. In fact, why should I? Because I abide by the law as other decent law abiding, income tax paying, council tax paying, road tax paying, etc etc, citzens do. That's why.
Many Irish moved to Liverpool - there is a huge Irish population there. Presumably they don't have to live in Ireland to be classed as an Irish traveller, but can take that classification with them anywhere they want.
......
Seems bizarre to me.
[quote][p][bold]Shogun50[/bold] wrote: Who says they are Irish travellers or romany gypsies. I was on Baiter Park this morning and they had Liverpool accents, so they are English, not Irish. I accept they could have been Romany gypsies, but where is the proof as has been stated earlier. As for not buying anything from them and they will move on - well that isn't true. They obtain caravan/camper pitches for nothing and park for nothing, so why should they pay for anything else. In fact, why should I? Because I abide by the law as other decent law abiding, income tax paying, council tax paying, road tax paying, etc etc, citzens do. That's why.[/p][/quote]Many Irish moved to Liverpool - there is a huge Irish population there. Presumably they don't have to live in Ireland to be classed as an Irish traveller, but can take that classification with them anywhere they want. ...... Seems bizarre to me. Carolyn43
  • Score: 12

7:20pm Mon 12 May 14

ashleycross says...

we-shall-see wrote:
ashleycross wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called.
Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly.
Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.
You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making.

"Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers.

I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc.

If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on.

One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/
who's your legal adviser, Saul Goodman?
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called. Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly. Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.[/p][/quote]You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making. "Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers. I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc. If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on. One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/[/p][/quote]who's your legal adviser, Saul Goodman? ashleycross
  • Score: -1

7:21pm Mon 12 May 14

Buzetti says...

You have to understand why there is no will on the part of the Police or Council to take decisive action in these circumstances.
The Police and Council employees are just normal folk, like you and I. They want to be able to get up in the morning and earn their living, feed the kids, pay the mortgage etc. And still have their job at the end of each day.
What happens to those Police officers and Council Employees if they try to take firm action against any 'recognised ethnic group'?
They run the almost certain risk of falling victim to the silver bullet, the Light Sabre, of the militant, metropolitan, right-on left - being called.....wait for it.....

"RACIST!!"

There is no worse accusation in humanity and there is no recovering from being branded one (see BBC Devon DJ as an example)

No one in authority dare do a **** thing about these people - they are simply (and understandably) too scared of being branded with 'the R word' (as it is probably referred to down the BBC)

As a society, we need to seize back our language and our balls and stop worrying about 'offending' those who take offence at Olympic Standard, usually on someone else's behalf

The mealy mouthed, get-out-of-jail-free statement added to this topic by the Bold Echo (below) says it all - scared of our own shadows

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

No wonder UKIP are doing so well
You have to understand why there is no will on the part of the Police or Council to take decisive action in these circumstances. The Police and Council employees are just normal folk, like you and I. They want to be able to get up in the morning and earn their living, feed the kids, pay the mortgage etc. And still have their job at the end of each day. What happens to those Police officers and Council Employees if they try to take firm action against any 'recognised ethnic group'? They run the almost certain risk of falling victim to the silver bullet, the Light Sabre, of the militant, metropolitan, right-on left - being called.....wait for it..... "RACIST!!" There is no worse accusation in humanity and there is no recovering from being branded one (see BBC Devon DJ as an example) No one in authority dare do a **** thing about these people - they are simply (and understandably) too scared of being branded with 'the R word' (as it is probably referred to down the BBC) As a society, we need to seize back our language and our balls and stop worrying about 'offending' those who take offence at Olympic Standard, usually on someone else's behalf The mealy mouthed, get-out-of-jail-free statement added to this topic by the Bold Echo (below) says it all - scared of our own shadows Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation. No wonder UKIP are doing so well Buzetti
  • Score: 16

7:53pm Mon 12 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame.
There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue.
You know what party that is.And its not the CON party.
Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act.
Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc.
Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,
Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame. There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue. You know what party that is.And its not the CON party. Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act. Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc. Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB , cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Mon 12 May 14

cromwell9 says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
Townee wrote:
On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up.
Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.
yes i believe they are
I have just seen a YELLOW elephant flying over the Town Hall.
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: On the news this morning the county council stated that they had agreed a second site for travellers. Shaftsbury and Piddlehinton, now the council have a legal right to move them on as soon as they turn up. Let's see if this works or are the council still scared to act.[/p][/quote]yes i believe they are[/p][/quote]I have just seen a YELLOW elephant flying over the Town Hall. cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:07pm Mon 12 May 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Amazingly how fast Poole council acted to accept money to buy a proposed legal traveller site, and how slow it has taken to spend money to prevent illegal travellers!
Amazingly how fast Poole council acted to accept money to buy a proposed legal traveller site, and how slow it has taken to spend money to prevent illegal travellers! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 10

8:09pm Mon 12 May 14

DorsetFerret says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted
I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly![/p][/quote]Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted[/p][/quote]I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 10

8:14pm Mon 12 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted
I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others.
Go for it ! Is that why the Cornish have secured their special status ?
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly![/p][/quote]Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted[/p][/quote]I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others.[/p][/quote]Go for it ! Is that why the Cornish have secured their special status ? Ebb Tide
  • Score: 9

8:19pm Mon 12 May 14

stevobath says...

Dave2207 wrote:
Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey?
Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc.
May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?
What do you suggest-something along the lines of a Yellow Star?

Maybe a Yellow Pony & Trap?

Get real.
[quote][p][bold]Dave2207[/bold] wrote: Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey? Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc. May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest-something along the lines of a Yellow Star? Maybe a Yellow Pony & Trap? Get real. stevobath
  • Score: -8

8:38pm Mon 12 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.
Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that. SuperSnooper
  • Score: 5

8:42pm Mon 12 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

I was lead to believe the million pound dream team of councillors were sorting this issue out.they couldn't run a bath.And no thanks to the the traffic cops who failed to show them the snears and intimidation they show the tax payers.they have arrived and will do whatever they want.because of the cowards we thought were here to protect..
I was lead to believe the million pound dream team of councillors were sorting this issue out.they couldn't run a bath.And no thanks to the the traffic cops who failed to show them the snears and intimidation they show the tax payers.they have arrived and will do whatever they want.because of the cowards we thought were here to protect.. kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 7

8:46pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

stevobath wrote:
Dave2207 wrote:
Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey?
Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc.
May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?
What do you suggest-something along the lines of a Yellow Star?

Maybe a Yellow Pony & Trap?

Get real.
No.

That was something imposed upon people, which is not the same as someone claiming priviliges because of a legal status - which is no more than being asked to provide proof of age if your are wanting to be served in a pub, so stop trying to muddy the waters.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave2207[/bold] wrote: Who verifies that these particular 'campers' actually belong to one of those particular ethnic groups, protected by numerous laws and with apparent immunity to the those laws that the rest of us (i.e. council-tax payers) must obey? Some form of verification should be applied - then anybody who is not actually a card-carrying member of one of those ethnic groups (whose name cannot be mentioned) should be arrested for false representation, fraud, trespass, etc. May one complain about 'hippies' who illegally occupy public spaces, or are they to become another 'ethnic' group, too?[/p][/quote]What do you suggest-something along the lines of a Yellow Star? Maybe a Yellow Pony & Trap? Get real.[/p][/quote]No. That was something imposed upon people, which is not the same as someone claiming priviliges because of a legal status - which is no more than being asked to provide proof of age if your are wanting to be served in a pub, so stop trying to muddy the waters. Bob49
  • Score: 4

9:03pm Mon 12 May 14

Bob49 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame.
There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue.
You know what party that is.And its not the CON party.
Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act.
Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc.
Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,
Human writes act, eh ?

It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist.

If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland.

I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress.

However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group.

Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'.

Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame. There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue. You know what party that is.And its not the CON party. Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act. Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc. Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,[/p][/quote]Human writes act, eh ? It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist. If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland. I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress. However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group. Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'. Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem. Bob49
  • Score: 7

9:16pm Mon 12 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

Bob49 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame.
There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue.
You know what party that is.And its not the CON party.
Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act.
Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc.
Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,
Human writes act, eh ?

It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist.

If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland.

I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress.

However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group.

Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'.

Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.
Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive...
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame. There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue. You know what party that is.And its not the CON party. Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act. Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc. Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,[/p][/quote]Human writes act, eh ? It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist. If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland. I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress. However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group. Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'. Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.[/p][/quote]Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive... boardsandphotos
  • Score: 3

9:19pm Mon 12 May 14

carrrob says...

Hahaha and so the fun begins with the romanies travellers or whatever they want to be known as laughing there heads off yet again !!!!
Hahaha and so the fun begins with the romanies travellers or whatever they want to be known as laughing there heads off yet again !!!! carrrob
  • Score: 9

9:47pm Mon 12 May 14

Alumchiner says...

Borough of Poole officers, who have visited both sites today, have been told by those present that they intend to only stay for a short time.

For gods sake, man up Council workers and the police, you are becoming a laughing stock and pathetic defenders of law abiding people.
Borough of Poole officers, who have visited both sites today, have been told by those present that they intend to only stay for a short time. For gods sake, man up Council workers and the police, you are becoming a laughing stock and pathetic defenders of law abiding people. Alumchiner
  • Score: 16

9:59pm Mon 12 May 14

martinsim34 says...

well time to get tories out of council c if libdems can do nebetter give the clean up bill to poole tories they let them in get them to pay up
well time to get tories out of council c if libdems can do nebetter give the clean up bill to poole tories they let them in get them to pay up martinsim34
  • Score: -5

10:16pm Mon 12 May 14

Jo__Go says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.
Having seen a couple of your posts dripping the usual vitriol, I'm surprised that you're surprised.

One trick pony, tedious trick...
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.[/p][/quote]Having seen a couple of your posts dripping the usual vitriol, I'm surprised that you're surprised. One trick pony, tedious trick... Jo__Go
  • Score: 7

10:43pm Mon 12 May 14

dcc employee says...

Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on.
Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments.
Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on. Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments. dcc employee
  • Score: -9

11:19pm Mon 12 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

dcc employee wrote:
Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on.
Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments.
Need to sign the petition so this gets debated properly. They get their ethnic status taken away and get treated like the rest of us. Problem solved
[quote][p][bold]dcc employee[/bold] wrote: Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on. Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments.[/p][/quote]Need to sign the petition so this gets debated properly. They get their ethnic status taken away and get treated like the rest of us. Problem solved justsayithowitis
  • Score: 13

12:03am Tue 13 May 14

muscliffman says...

dcc employee wrote:
Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on.
Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments.
You say "Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments."

Most people clearly do not agree with this, so perhaps it would be far better if the PEOPLE of Poole and Bournemouth at the next opportunity elect robust Councillors (UKIP) who will fight this entire situation with common sense, from the basic legal UK ethnic 'traveller' issues to the weak reactions from our systemically 'liberal' local public servants - who will NOT even use the powers that they already have against these 'travellers'.

Presumably day two, and the 'travellers' are still there laughing at us all...........
[quote][p][bold]dcc employee[/bold] wrote: Well, it is hardly surprising that travellers have arrived, they have shown interest in this area before, and until the NIMBY brigade allow a permanent site for them, they are going to continue to use our parks and beauty spots to stay in. There is a park with children`s play area at the end of my road, and much as I don`t want the permanent stopping point to be there, at least if I know that is where it is going to be, I won`t have to worry about un authorised camps, and it would make it easier for the authorities to get them moved on. Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments.[/p][/quote]You say "Poole and Bournemouth Councils need to choose a site and fast before we get even more encampments." Most people clearly do not agree with this, so perhaps it would be far better if the PEOPLE of Poole and Bournemouth at the next opportunity elect robust Councillors (UKIP) who will fight this entire situation with common sense, from the basic legal UK ethnic 'traveller' issues to the weak reactions from our systemically 'liberal' local public servants - who will NOT even use the powers that they already have against these 'travellers'. Presumably day two, and the 'travellers' are still there laughing at us all........... muscliffman
  • Score: 7

12:36am Tue 13 May 14

Bob49 says...

Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament.

As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents.

By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced.
Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament. As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents. By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced. Bob49
  • Score: -14

1:30am Tue 13 May 14

guisselle says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted
I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others.
Dorset carrot crunchers are a rare breed you can see them loafing around in
bars watching sky sports!
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly![/p][/quote]Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted[/p][/quote]I guess we in Poole could claim to be a 'Dorset minority', that may give us special status and protection against incursion from others.[/p][/quote]Dorset carrot crunchers are a rare breed you can see them loafing around in bars watching sky sports! guisselle
  • Score: -6

5:22am Tue 13 May 14

O'Reilly says...

dvdr wrote:
Don't move them! Block them in, even (accidentally) temporarily! Once they have to walk everywhere, and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon give up and try somewhere else.
I saw a farmer in Kent do exactly that some years ago.......and then they got their friends with JCB's to remove the concrete barricades blocking them in....next!
[quote][p][bold]dvdr[/bold] wrote: Don't move them! Block them in, even (accidentally) temporarily! Once they have to walk everywhere, and cannot use their fancy vehicles they will soon give up and try somewhere else.[/p][/quote]I saw a farmer in Kent do exactly that some years ago.......and then they got their friends with JCB's to remove the concrete barricades blocking them in....next! O'Reilly
  • Score: -1

6:52am Tue 13 May 14

Gastines3 says...

Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken?
Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken? Gastines3
  • Score: 15

7:10am Tue 13 May 14

JustForPoole says...

Alumchiner wrote:
Borough of Poole officers, who have visited both sites today, have been told by those present that they intend to only stay for a short time.

For gods sake, man up Council workers and the police, you are becoming a laughing stock and pathetic defenders of law abiding people.
Quite right .... the scenario at Baiter is EXACTLY the same as last year "only here a few days" ... then stay 10 days before the Council start eviction proceedings. Then they moved on to Whitecliff and repeated the procedure. The Council didn`t learn then and hasn`t learned now. The Police are totally spineless and as for the so called Police Commissioner ... hiding under his chair again. Get rid of him and put the financial savings towards the repeated clean ups.
[quote][p][bold]Alumchiner[/bold] wrote: Borough of Poole officers, who have visited both sites today, have been told by those present that they intend to only stay for a short time. For gods sake, man up Council workers and the police, you are becoming a laughing stock and pathetic defenders of law abiding people.[/p][/quote]Quite right .... the scenario at Baiter is EXACTLY the same as last year "only here a few days" ... then stay 10 days before the Council start eviction proceedings. Then they moved on to Whitecliff and repeated the procedure. The Council didn`t learn then and hasn`t learned now. The Police are totally spineless and as for the so called Police Commissioner ... hiding under his chair again. Get rid of him and put the financial savings towards the repeated clean ups. JustForPoole
  • Score: 17

7:11am Tue 13 May 14

Baysider says...

Gastines3 wrote:
Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken?
I would imagine that Dorset County Council would immediately direct them to one of transit sites they have set up for that very purpose...you can fill in the rest yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Gastines3[/bold] wrote: Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken?[/p][/quote]I would imagine that Dorset County Council would immediately direct them to one of transit sites they have set up for that very purpose...you can fill in the rest yourself. Baysider
  • Score: -5

8:25am Tue 13 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.
You didn't ask anything. You just repeated your vitriolic attack against a councillor, who you obviously think has wronged you. To make you so bitter and out for revenge it really must have been something very personal.
......
I suspect your posts were removed by the moderators for that reason and for not adding anything sensible to the debate. A newspaper comments section on a serious subject isn't the place for personal attacks, no matter how aggrieved you feel. Take it up with her personally - the rest of us aren't interested.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.[/p][/quote]You didn't ask anything. You just repeated your vitriolic attack against a councillor, who you obviously think has wronged you. To make you so bitter and out for revenge it really must have been something very personal. ...... I suspect your posts were removed by the moderators for that reason and for not adding anything sensible to the debate. A newspaper comments section on a serious subject isn't the place for personal attacks, no matter how aggrieved you feel. Take it up with her personally - the rest of us aren't interested. Carolyn43
  • Score: 10

8:51am Tue 13 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Baysider wrote:
Gastines3 wrote:
Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken?
I would imagine that Dorset County Council would immediately direct them to one of transit sites they have set up for that very purpose...you can fill in the rest yourself.
I understood that DCC only provided transit sites in the run up to the GDSF. Are you saying they have permanent transit sites?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gastines3[/bold] wrote: Ever wondered why the trash keep turning up here apart from the knowledge that they can park-up and do as they like? It's because there are so many gullible people in the area who think they are saving money by having crap jobs done for cash in hand. No cash jobs and they would move to another area to rip the locals off. I keep hoping they will set up a camp at Poundbury just to see what action is taken?[/p][/quote]I would imagine that Dorset County Council would immediately direct them to one of transit sites they have set up for that very purpose...you can fill in the rest yourself.[/p][/quote]I understood that DCC only provided transit sites in the run up to the GDSF. Are you saying they have permanent transit sites? Jo__Go
  • Score: 1

9:23am Tue 13 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.
You didn't ask anything. You just repeated your vitriolic attack against a councillor, who you obviously think has wronged you. To make you so bitter and out for revenge it really must have been something very personal.
......
I suspect your posts were removed by the moderators for that reason and for not adding anything sensible to the debate. A newspaper comments section on a serious subject isn't the place for personal attacks, no matter how aggrieved you feel. Take it up with her personally - the rest of us aren't interested.
Agreed, freedom of speech comes with responsibility. If you've got nothing sensible or constructive to say, especially in a public forum it's probably best you say nothing ay all.

None of us want to read paragraph after paragraph of personal abuse and the moderators on a private company website have every right to remove your posts if they want to.

So many people are so quick to shout censorship! It's amazing how many of them have nothing to say when given the chance.....
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.[/p][/quote]You didn't ask anything. You just repeated your vitriolic attack against a councillor, who you obviously think has wronged you. To make you so bitter and out for revenge it really must have been something very personal. ...... I suspect your posts were removed by the moderators for that reason and for not adding anything sensible to the debate. A newspaper comments section on a serious subject isn't the place for personal attacks, no matter how aggrieved you feel. Take it up with her personally - the rest of us aren't interested.[/p][/quote]Agreed, freedom of speech comes with responsibility. If you've got nothing sensible or constructive to say, especially in a public forum it's probably best you say nothing ay all. None of us want to read paragraph after paragraph of personal abuse and the moderators on a private company website have every right to remove your posts if they want to. So many people are so quick to shout censorship! It's amazing how many of them have nothing to say when given the chance..... boardsandphotos
  • Score: 14

9:30am Tue 13 May 14

wonderway says...

DO THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY CHECK ON THEIR WELFARE ASK FOR PASSPORTS TO PROVE THEY ARE IRISH TRAVELLERS IF THEY DONT

COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THEM

1/ CHILDREN NOT AT SCHOOL
2/ THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR TRANSPORT IMPOUNDED FOR ILLEGAL PARKING
3/ THEY ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ETHNIC MINORITY REMOVE THEM TO DAY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANY LEGAL ACTION TAKEN I.E. LEGAL ACTION PARKING CHARGES CLEAN UP CHARGES TOW-AWAY CHARGES ETC


IF NOT OFFICERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM POST IN COUNCIL
DO THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY CHECK ON THEIR WELFARE ASK FOR PASSPORTS TO PROVE THEY ARE IRISH TRAVELLERS IF THEY DONT COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THEM 1/ CHILDREN NOT AT SCHOOL 2/ THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR TRANSPORT IMPOUNDED FOR ILLEGAL PARKING 3/ THEY ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ETHNIC MINORITY REMOVE THEM TO DAY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANY LEGAL ACTION TAKEN I.E. LEGAL ACTION PARKING CHARGES CLEAN UP CHARGES TOW-AWAY CHARGES ETC IF NOT OFFICERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM POST IN COUNCIL wonderway
  • Score: 11

9:42am Tue 13 May 14

loftusrod says...

wonderway wrote:
DO THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY CHECK ON THEIR WELFARE ASK FOR PASSPORTS TO PROVE THEY ARE IRISH TRAVELLERS IF THEY DONT

COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THEM

1/ CHILDREN NOT AT SCHOOL
2/ THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR TRANSPORT IMPOUNDED FOR ILLEGAL PARKING
3/ THEY ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ETHNIC MINORITY REMOVE THEM TO DAY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANY LEGAL ACTION TAKEN I.E. LEGAL ACTION PARKING CHARGES CLEAN UP CHARGES TOW-AWAY CHARGES ETC


IF NOT OFFICERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM POST IN COUNCIL
Agree with this, except of course the council do the exact opposite.
They actually make sure the children of the illegal campers have a school to go to by speedily arranging places at the nearest one.
And where is Joseph Jones in all this?
After the recent meeting where the TSPs were turned down, why didn't he tell his folk there's nowhere for them to stay in Poole?
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: DO THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY CHECK ON THEIR WELFARE ASK FOR PASSPORTS TO PROVE THEY ARE IRISH TRAVELLERS IF THEY DONT COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THEM 1/ CHILDREN NOT AT SCHOOL 2/ THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR TRANSPORT IMPOUNDED FOR ILLEGAL PARKING 3/ THEY ARE NOT COVERED UNDER ETHNIC MINORITY REMOVE THEM TO DAY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANY LEGAL ACTION TAKEN I.E. LEGAL ACTION PARKING CHARGES CLEAN UP CHARGES TOW-AWAY CHARGES ETC IF NOT OFFICERS OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM POST IN COUNCIL[/p][/quote]Agree with this, except of course the council do the exact opposite. They actually make sure the children of the illegal campers have a school to go to by speedily arranging places at the nearest one. And where is Joseph Jones in all this? After the recent meeting where the TSPs were turned down, why didn't he tell his folk there's nowhere for them to stay in Poole? loftusrod
  • Score: 10

9:48am Tue 13 May 14

Stereotyped says...

Why was my comment removed?

I didn't mention anything about race... I simply stated that if I was to break into a recreation ground and park my car up, I would be arrested and prosecuted in some manner for it.

Yet they are not...

Find it funny that my original comment from yesterday has been removed.
Why was my comment removed? I didn't mention anything about race... I simply stated that if I was to break into a recreation ground and park my car up, I would be arrested and prosecuted in some manner for it. Yet they are not... Find it funny that my original comment from yesterday has been removed. Stereotyped
  • Score: 12

9:53am Tue 13 May 14

The Liberal says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly!
Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted
We all do, according to findlaw.co.uk: “This right applies equally to gypsies and travellers, as it does to the settled community.”
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: Quote - 'Under UK law, specifically the Race Relations Act 1976, English Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are recognised as ethnic minorities who have the right to protection under the law and to be protected from nuisance, harassment, discrimination and harm from others' .OK, so that's the basics but does anybody know if this has been tested in law, has any local authority taken swift action and been summonsed to appear before a court? I doubt it because if the above is fact, the police have a duty to protect the minority from swift council action. Nice mess you have got us into Sternly![/p][/quote]Shouldn't we all have the rights that you have quoted[/p][/quote]We all do, according to findlaw.co.uk: “This right applies equally to gypsies and travellers, as it does to the settled community.” The Liberal
  • Score: -2

10:17am Tue 13 May 14

Major Futtock says...

The Council are about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. They are gutless and far too slow to react. They were warned about this in Cllr Butt's meeting last Autumn. What have they done NOTHING that the rate payers can see.
We have to rely on the Echo to keep us informed.
There is a law allowing them to be moved on (section 61) and neither the Council nor the Police use it.
Another summer of loutish behaviour, rubbish and smearing human excrement on children's play areas confronts us!
WELL DONE POOLE COUNCIL!
The Council are about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. They are gutless and far too slow to react. They were warned about this in Cllr Butt's meeting last Autumn. What have they done NOTHING that the rate payers can see. We have to rely on the Echo to keep us informed. There is a law allowing them to be moved on (section 61) and neither the Council nor the Police use it. Another summer of loutish behaviour, rubbish and smearing human excrement on children's play areas confronts us! WELL DONE POOLE COUNCIL! Major Futtock
  • Score: 12

10:39am Tue 13 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

I understand that a purpose built site for them does allow the police and council to move them on more quickly but it won't solve the problem unless multiple sites are allowed for. Groups of the traveller community don't get on with each other let alone the communities they invade so they won't stay on an encampment together anyway?
I understand that a purpose built site for them does allow the police and council to move them on more quickly but it won't solve the problem unless multiple sites are allowed for. Groups of the traveller community don't get on with each other let alone the communities they invade so they won't stay on an encampment together anyway? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 5

10:51am Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

There are already 14 vans , 2 more than the maximum that could have got onto Creekmoor site - so the extra 2 and any newcomers could not have been
moved on anyway, and WHY are the police not using the criminal justice act
1994? think we all know why
There are already 14 vans , 2 more than the maximum that could have got onto Creekmoor site - so the extra 2 and any newcomers could not have been moved on anyway, and WHY are the police not using the criminal justice act 1994? think we all know why mimi55
  • Score: 9

10:55am Tue 13 May 14

suzigirl says...

MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
[quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside! suzigirl
  • Score: 7

11:03am Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

ashleycross wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
ashleycross wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called.
Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly.
Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.
You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making.

"Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers.

I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc.

If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on.

One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/
who's your legal adviser, Saul Goodman?
No, he's probably thinking of the criminal justice act 1994, which other
councils DO use to move illegal encampments on immediately
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called. Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly. Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.[/p][/quote]You're talking sh*te. They can be moved on straight away under the laws of trespass and illegal encampment - but our lilly-liberal council are *afraid* to do anything - which is the point I am making. "Traveller" is NOT considered an ethnic race, but a lifestyle choice in their native Ireland, but over here no one has a spine anymore, so we let them get away with things that anyone else would be fined or prosecuted for - and it is *that* which is most galling of all for most local tax payers. I have no problems with people who chose to live on the road, but what I do have a problem with is - them not paying camping fees and using well established camping sites, many of which already have toilet blocks, shower facilities etc. If you or I chose to pitch a caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff or anywhere else, we would VERY SWIFTLY be moved on. One rule for them and another for the rest of us - and for the record I did not attend the meeting, nor intimidate anyone - I leave that to the traveller faction. They intimidate the council, Police force and it seems many other people :o/[/p][/quote]who's your legal adviser, Saul Goodman?[/p][/quote]No, he's probably thinking of the criminal justice act 1994, which other councils DO use to move illegal encampments on immediately mimi55
  • Score: 2

11:16am Tue 13 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -9

11:17am Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

ctrewyou wrote:
We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.
Nooooooo! Please look up the criminal justice act 1994. It is only the
cowardly/overly P.C council and police that will not move them on quickly
[quote][p][bold]ctrewyou[/bold] wrote: We dont want a permanent site, so this is what we do want as residents of Poole. With a permanent site, they could be moved on within hours, without one it takes days, by the time they have moved on. It is really interesting reading about people wanting "something done quickly". It could have been, but we didn't want the permanent site. There are only 2 choices, and this is the one we have chosen as residents.[/p][/quote]Nooooooo! Please look up the criminal justice act 1994. It is only the cowardly/overly P.C council and police that will not move them on quickly mimi55
  • Score: 4

11:22am Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
I don't recall being consulted on making this lot an ethnically protected minority. Can we have a referendum on it please? I understand those 'racist' UKIP people have mooted the idea of dispensing with the classification, but I suspect the PC brigade would complain all the time it's not their recs and parks being sqatted on while the Police and councils chew their fingernails in terror at the thought of upholding the law....
Exactly - I noted that Dave Cameron only took decisive action on the
floods earlier in the year, when they started affecting the Thames valley.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I don't recall being consulted on making this lot an ethnically protected minority. Can we have a referendum on it please? I understand those 'racist' UKIP people have mooted the idea of dispensing with the classification, but I suspect the PC brigade would complain all the time it's not their recs and parks being sqatted on while the Police and councils chew their fingernails in terror at the thought of upholding the law....[/p][/quote]Exactly - I noted that Dave Cameron only took decisive action on the floods earlier in the year, when they started affecting the Thames valley. mimi55
  • Score: 5

11:30am Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

ProgressiveBournemou
th
wrote:
I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.
So I take it you'll be volunteering to relieve the Council operatives of their
delightful task of clearing up after our friendly, law-abiding, never-threatening
anyone, clean-living pals have moved on?
[quote][p][bold]ProgressiveBournemou th[/bold] wrote: I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.[/p][/quote]So I take it you'll be volunteering to relieve the Council operatives of their delightful task of clearing up after our friendly, law-abiding, never-threatening anyone, clean-living pals have moved on? mimi55
  • Score: 11

11:42am Tue 13 May 14

Jo__Go says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
Toys................
....................
..PooperScooper.....
....................
.............Pram
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]Toys................ .................... ..PooperScooper..... .................... .............Pram Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

11:55am Tue 13 May 14

oversee says...

Leave them alone....never hear of them being involved in scandals that fill the papers nowadays....the police should get back to fighting crime...not bullying people because the blue rinse brigade don't know their aunts !
Leave them alone....never hear of them being involved in scandals that fill the papers nowadays....the police should get back to fighting crime...not bullying people because the blue rinse brigade don't know their aunts ! oversee
  • Score: -15

11:59am Tue 13 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in. justsayithowitis
  • Score: 5

12:13pm Tue 13 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.
You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp.

So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps.

That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.[/p][/quote]You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp. So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps. That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really, SuperSnooper
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Tue 13 May 14

royeveleigh says...

Squatting is illegal and carries a maximum of 6 montsnin prison. Why are they not arrested?? Don't let them leave till they have cleared up their mess and put everything back the way they have found it!!
Squatting is illegal and carries a maximum of 6 montsnin prison. Why are they not arrested?? Don't let them leave till they have cleared up their mess and put everything back the way they have found it!! royeveleigh
  • Score: 4

12:24pm Tue 13 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

royeveleigh wrote:
Squatting is illegal and carries a maximum of 6 montsnin prison. Why are they not arrested?? Don't let them leave till they have cleared up their mess and put everything back the way they have found it!!
https://www.gov.uk/s
quatting-law

They are not squatting, look it up!
[quote][p][bold]royeveleigh[/bold] wrote: Squatting is illegal and carries a maximum of 6 montsnin prison. Why are they not arrested?? Don't let them leave till they have cleared up their mess and put everything back the way they have found it!![/p][/quote]https://www.gov.uk/s quatting-law They are not squatting, look it up! boardsandphotos
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Tue 13 May 14

MrPitiful says...

Canford Magna car boot will be busy with them this Sunday.
Canford Magna car boot will be busy with them this Sunday. MrPitiful
  • Score: 4

12:35pm Tue 13 May 14

Jo__Go says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.
You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp.

So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps.

That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,
So build one on Branksome Rec then...
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.[/p][/quote]You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp. So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps. That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,[/p][/quote]So build one on Branksome Rec then... Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

12:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
If it gets really bad here, we’re going to have to ask for a rebate on our council tax.'

.....

best of luck with that one chum :-)
So anyway, when are you and your family leaving Baiter car park??
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: If it gets really bad here, we’re going to have to ask for a rebate on our council tax.' ..... best of luck with that one chum :-)[/p][/quote]So anyway, when are you and your family leaving Baiter car park?? Arthur Maureen
  • Score: -2

12:42pm Tue 13 May 14

Nigel Blumenthal says...

One of the very early comments on this thread (from boardsandphotos) said "Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist..."

Quite correct, and so can we please have equal, non-racist law enforcement. If I park my caravan across parking spaces in a car park, without paying for it, and if my car is untaxed, and if my children are not schooled, I expect that I would receive several visits from the police or mail from law enforcement authorities. If people claim that pointing out the actions of a group of people who do these things is "racist", then surely if there is a group of people to whom this does not apply, then the treatment of me by the authorities could equally be called "racist".

Note that I'm not saying that this particular group of caravan-dwellers has committed any of the offences outlined above. I'm just demanding equal treatment for all; if it's racist for one group, then surely non-enforcement of the same rules is racist against the other group.
One of the very early comments on this thread (from boardsandphotos) said "Comment on their actions, not on their 'ethnicity' just the same as you would do with anyone else. Judging somone on their actions does not make you a racist..." Quite correct, and so can we please have equal, non-racist law enforcement. If I park my caravan across parking spaces in a car park, without paying for it, and if my car is untaxed, and if my children are not schooled, I expect that I would receive several visits from the police or mail from law enforcement authorities. If people claim that pointing out the actions of a group of people who do these things is "racist", then surely if there is a group of people to whom this does not apply, then the treatment of me by the authorities could equally be called "racist". Note that I'm not saying that this particular group of caravan-dwellers has committed any of the offences outlined above. I'm just demanding equal treatment for all; if it's racist for one group, then surely non-enforcement of the same rules is racist against the other group. Nigel Blumenthal
  • Score: 14

12:55pm Tue 13 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

Jo__Go wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.
You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp.

So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps.

That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,
So build one on Branksome Rec then...
I really dont have a problem with that,, the whole idea though is to have something that is not very suitable and in a poor location,, all adds to the non incentive to use it.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.[/p][/quote]You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp. So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps. That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,[/p][/quote]So build one on Branksome Rec then...[/p][/quote]I really dont have a problem with that,, the whole idea though is to have something that is not very suitable and in a poor location,, all adds to the non incentive to use it. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -4

1:26pm Tue 13 May 14

sea poole says...

Not exactly rushing are you Cllr Atkinson...?
Not exactly rushing are you Cllr Atkinson...? sea poole
  • Score: 4

1:35pm Tue 13 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

of course it would never get planning,,, but I think the centre of roundabout are a good site,, such a waste of space that land is...
of course it would never get planning,,, but I think the centre of roundabout are a good site,, such a waste of space that land is... SuperSnooper
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Tue 13 May 14

skydriver says...

susi.m wrote:
Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc?
Checking that would be a start surely.
Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth.
Police - man up please
Fair point, so Mr Underhill answer the residents questions, that's why we are paying you .
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc? Checking that would be a start surely. Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth. Police - man up please[/p][/quote]Fair point, so Mr Underhill answer the residents questions, that's why we are paying you . skydriver
  • Score: 8

1:38pm Tue 13 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within.

As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda.

So,, you reap what you sow.

Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about.

Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it...

Enjoy your summer.
As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.
You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp.

So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps.

That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,
So build one on Branksome Rec then...
I really dont have a problem with that,, the whole idea though is to have something that is not very suitable and in a poor location,, all adds to the non incentive to use it.
And it means they'll just pitch up on private land, where the council has no jurisdiction, and the landowner will have to go through the eviction process. Or they'll move into the next local authority - I'm sure residents of Bournemouth would be delighted.
......
Sites that won't be used, such as Creekmoor, will not only cost the council tax payer to set up the site, but private landowners as well to get them evicted. Doesn't sound a good deal to me, unless, of course, you resent people owning land.
......
And before you accuse me of being a landowner with a vested interest as your strange mind is likely to do, I did own land in Somerset and welcomed Romany gypsies, who are delightful, but I don't own land anywhere in Dorset, Poole or Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: You lot can moan all you want, quote whatever law you think should be changed or enforced, but the sad fact is,, without a transit camp within the borough there is absolutely NOTHING the police can do to move these people on (immediately) that is the law at the moment,, the law may be an **** but that is what they have to work within. As the transit camp is now never going to happen after the last farce of councillor Judy Butts action and all the problems she caused, there are now no plan to ever set up a transit camp in this borough. Its not even on anyone agenda. So,, you reap what you sow. Get used to these camps every year from now on, there is nothing that can be done, unless central government change the law, which local council cant do anything about. Thats the facts, no moaning will change it, and no one can change it... Enjoy your summer.[/p][/quote]As has already been said there are more vans than would have fitted on the creekmoor site so they couldn't have been moved on. The site was turned down for health and safety reasons so none of the travellers would have gone there as they know the law better than most. Even if it had gone ahead it wouldn't have been ready so we would still be in the situation we are now in.[/p][/quote]You just dont get it,,, evidence from borough that do have transit camps shows that they are NOT used, these people quickley get to know what areas have these camps and they just set up camp in the next town that doesn't have a transit camp. So crazy as it is, these transit camps just sit empty most of the time, they are just a deterrent and they give the police the power to move people from illegal camps. That is the whole point of these camps, there not actually there to be used really,[/p][/quote]So build one on Branksome Rec then...[/p][/quote]I really dont have a problem with that,, the whole idea though is to have something that is not very suitable and in a poor location,, all adds to the non incentive to use it.[/p][/quote]And it means they'll just pitch up on private land, where the council has no jurisdiction, and the landowner will have to go through the eviction process. Or they'll move into the next local authority - I'm sure residents of Bournemouth would be delighted. ...... Sites that won't be used, such as Creekmoor, will not only cost the council tax payer to set up the site, but private landowners as well to get them evicted. Doesn't sound a good deal to me, unless, of course, you resent people owning land. ...... And before you accuse me of being a landowner with a vested interest as your strange mind is likely to do, I did own land in Somerset and welcomed Romany gypsies, who are delightful, but I don't own land anywhere in Dorset, Poole or Bournemouth. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Tue 13 May 14

SuperSnooper says...

skydriver wrote:
susi.m wrote:
Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc?
Checking that would be a start surely.
Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth.
Police - man up please
Fair point, so Mr Underhill answer the residents questions, that's why we are paying you .
trouble is these chaps seem to drive such new cars they dont need MOT's,, then again I suppose without mortgage costs we all would have nice new cars
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc? Checking that would be a start surely. Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth. Police - man up please[/p][/quote]Fair point, so Mr Underhill answer the residents questions, that's why we are paying you .[/p][/quote]trouble is these chaps seem to drive such new cars they dont need MOT's,, then again I suppose without mortgage costs we all would have nice new cars SuperSnooper
  • Score: 8

2:25pm Tue 13 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

Kiki1973 wrote:
Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven?
It's done with a thump
[quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: Out of curiosity, how do you prove you're a traveller? I mean, if every single one of us contested a parking ticket or a fine or refused to pay our road tax (or whatever, just chucking out examples) under the grounds that we're protected because we're travelers, how could that be disproven? I mean, some travellers have brick and mortar homes, so.. how is it proven? Or disproven?[/p][/quote]It's done with a thump Dorset Logic
  • Score: 2

2:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Bob49 wrote:
Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament.

As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents.

By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced.
Maybe you didn't know that UKIP councillors have the best attendance records of all parties throughout the country, or maybe you did know but that wouldn't fit with your anti UKIP agenda would it
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament. As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents. By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced.[/p][/quote]Maybe you didn't know that UKIP councillors have the best attendance records of all parties throughout the country, or maybe you did know but that wouldn't fit with your anti UKIP agenda would it Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 7

3:48pm Tue 13 May 14

pooleresident60 says...

Lockdown what a waste of money
Lockdown what a waste of money pooleresident60
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Tue 13 May 14

Listen fool says...

Don't be so hash on em, they aint all bad mush. My mate lives in a caravan and he's got 4 Gsce's
Don't be so hash on em, they aint all bad mush. My mate lives in a caravan and he's got 4 Gsce's Listen fool
  • Score: -3

4:26pm Tue 13 May 14

Norman Stansfield says...

Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w
here could that be......
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be...... Norman Stansfield
  • Score: -7

4:33pm Tue 13 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w

here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
[quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean! Jo__Go
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Norman Stansfield says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w


here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate!
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate! Norman Stansfield
  • Score: -6

4:48pm Tue 13 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Norman Stansfield wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w



here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate!
We already stepped up, not through any choice on our part, but shafted by Clements and Bright. Somebody else's turn now...
[quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate![/p][/quote]We already stepped up, not through any choice on our part, but shafted by Clements and Bright. Somebody else's turn now... Jo__Go
  • Score: 5

4:52pm Tue 13 May 14

mimi55 says...

Tony Trent wrote:
Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs.
If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours.
I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest!
Instead of constantly sniping at us, why don't you find out who prepared such a dreadful planning application - that was bound to be thrown out - and wasted taxpayers money. Also, the decision to go for Creekmoor as a site in the first place, despite all the obvious problems. You need to look closer to home for blame - why was Penn Hill Ave car park thrown out as a possibilty, for example - when it appears to have none of the very obvious defects of the Creekmoor site? Don't try to throw the blame on us for a useless load of ******** who were only concerned with making sure the site didn't end up in their own wards, and mistakenly thought they could just push it through onto Creekmoor.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: Once again there are the same old (anonymous) comments on here about what should be done. It is obvious that hardly anyone listens to the facts on what can and can't be done, and those that did decided that NIMBY was the appropriate response. The site in my ward has a play area specifically designed for children with disabilities, a small MUGA, and has lots of homes backing and fronting on to it. It hadn't sufferred an incursion for the 7 years the selection of sites to be "target hardened" was made from. The rejected TSP site had no homes overlooking or backing on to it, no play facilities, and was not used to walk dogs. If the TSP had got the go ahead then both of these encampments could have been moved on within 24 hours. I suspect I will get lots of thumbs downs as facts rather than knee jerk comments are not well received. The real world is never as simple as some suggest![/p][/quote]Instead of constantly sniping at us, why don't you find out who prepared such a dreadful planning application - that was bound to be thrown out - and wasted taxpayers money. Also, the decision to go for Creekmoor as a site in the first place, despite all the obvious problems. You need to look closer to home for blame - why was Penn Hill Ave car park thrown out as a possibilty, for example - when it appears to have none of the very obvious defects of the Creekmoor site? Don't try to throw the blame on us for a useless load of ******** who were only concerned with making sure the site didn't end up in their own wards, and mistakenly thought they could just push it through onto Creekmoor. mimi55
  • Score: 10

4:59pm Tue 13 May 14

canfordcherry says...

Now is the Summer of our discontent..........
....

Don't want to say I told you so, but...

Remember the promises by the councillors that they would have the 'barricades' in place by early June, as ''that's when the invasion starts'', and I stated they would be arriving early to beat this and prove a point over no TSP's in Poole/B'mouth.
Well I think it's happening right now! We will see well be more than we have ever seen before.
Why didn't they act during Winter? or do they hope that this now yearly invasion will distract attention from their other poor judgments and decisions on many other aspects?
Now is the Summer of our discontent.......... .... Don't want to say I told you so, but... Remember the promises by the councillors that they would have the 'barricades' in place by early June, as ''that's when the invasion starts'', and I stated they would be arriving early to beat this and prove a point over no TSP's in Poole/B'mouth. Well I think it's happening right now! We will see well be more than we have ever seen before. Why didn't they act during Winter? or do they hope that this now yearly invasion will distract attention from their other poor judgments and decisions on many other aspects? canfordcherry
  • Score: 6

5:29pm Tue 13 May 14

Domingo De Santa Clara says...

People are quick to blame Local Council but surely it's down to central gov. to give the Police the powers needed to move them on?
All this talk of them being a "minority" is a crock of ****,in anyones language it is a criminal act of trespass and should be dealt with accordingly,and immediately.
People are quick to blame Local Council but surely it's down to central gov. to give the Police the powers needed to move them on? All this talk of them being a "minority" is a crock of ****,in anyones language it is a criminal act of trespass and should be dealt with accordingly,and immediately. Domingo De Santa Clara
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Tue 13 May 14

Yankee1 says...

You have to give them credit. They know the law and how to exploit it.

If you shut the door, they will find an open window. And I mean that literally as well as metaphorically.

Who/whatever declared them this Right should be sent the Bill.
You have to give them credit. They know the law and how to exploit it. If you shut the door, they will find an open window. And I mean that literally as well as metaphorically. Who/whatever declared them this Right should be sent the Bill. Yankee1
  • Score: 7

5:40pm Tue 13 May 14

Bob49 says...

Domingo De Santa Clara wrote:
People are quick to blame Local Council but surely it's down to central gov. to give the Police the powers needed to move them on?
All this talk of them being a "minority" is a crock of ****,in anyones language it is a criminal act of trespass and should be dealt with accordingly,and immediately.
Dear me, do you actually read anything but the Mail ? Why not check what the law actually states ? Or check on the ruling made on August 30th 2000 (and it's implications) before bleating out your absurd nonsense on here.

As to the barriers that is totally the wrong direction as it presumes that these people will respect them, they won't - and it conveniently ignores the real problem ie that ruling of Aug 2000,

Challenge that, and have it removed and their case falls apart, which would then allow a more vigorous and much needed respones. But as long as we continue to get these idiotic and ill formed rants nothing will happen, as no pressure will be put on MP's.

They must be laughing all the way to the solicitors when they read stuff like Doningo's nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Domingo De Santa Clara[/bold] wrote: People are quick to blame Local Council but surely it's down to central gov. to give the Police the powers needed to move them on? All this talk of them being a "minority" is a crock of ****,in anyones language it is a criminal act of trespass and should be dealt with accordingly,and immediately.[/p][/quote]Dear me, do you actually read anything but the Mail ? Why not check what the law actually states ? Or check on the ruling made on August 30th 2000 (and it's implications) before bleating out your absurd nonsense on here. As to the barriers that is totally the wrong direction as it presumes that these people will respect them, they won't - and it conveniently ignores the real problem ie that ruling of Aug 2000, Challenge that, and have it removed and their case falls apart, which would then allow a more vigorous and much needed respones. But as long as we continue to get these idiotic and ill formed rants nothing will happen, as no pressure will be put on MP's. They must be laughing all the way to the solicitors when they read stuff like Doningo's nonsense. Bob49
  • Score: 2

5:43pm Tue 13 May 14

skydriver says...

More money being wasted on these people and for what?
More money being wasted on these people and for what? skydriver
  • Score: 3

5:46pm Tue 13 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

susi.m wrote:
Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc?
Checking that would be a start surely.
Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth.
Police - man up please
Dorset Police are spineless.
.
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: Do they all have car tax and MOT's etc? Checking that would be a start surely. Give them hassle (like the rest of us would if we parked up on a rec), and perhaps they would get fed up with coming to Poole / Bournemouth. Police - man up please[/p][/quote]Dorset Police are spineless. . HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 6

6:04pm Tue 13 May 14

sunnybournemouth says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w


here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
"Without a transit site or temporary stopping place available in Poole the police are unable to direct travellers to use these alternative sites."

... well I found 56 of them, but you have to be willing to pay and clean up after yourself, like the rest of us have to if we go touring."

https://www.pitchup.
com/campsites/Englan
d/South_West/Dorset/
Poole/?adults=2&with
in=10&q=poole&type=3
&type=10
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]"Without a transit site or temporary stopping place available in Poole the police are unable to direct travellers to use these alternative sites." ... well I found 56 of them, but you have to be willing to pay and clean up after yourself, like the rest of us have to if we go touring." https://www.pitchup. com/campsites/Englan d/South_West/Dorset/ Poole/?adults=2&with in=10&q=poole&type=3 &type=10 sunnybournemouth
  • Score: 7

6:06pm Tue 13 May 14

sunnybournemouth says...

hmm didn't meant to quote but can't remove it after posting.
hmm didn't meant to quote but can't remove it after posting. sunnybournemouth
  • Score: 1

6:10pm Tue 13 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

Norman Stansfield wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w



here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate!
No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that.
....
We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate![/p][/quote]No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that. .... We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway. Carolyn43
  • Score: 7

6:19pm Tue 13 May 14

Shogun50 says...

The Council and Police should take note of all these comments, THE PEOPLE SPEAK. There are more caravans and motor homes on Baiter car park and it will be full very soon unless blockages are put in place as previously suggested and removed for a fee. I asked a Traffic Warden if I were to park there without paying would I receive a fine - she said they WERE NOT EVEN GOING TO THE CAR PARK TO CHECK AS THE THREAT WAS TOO GREAT. So park there for free everyone - I don't think so, do you
The Council and Police should take note of all these comments, THE PEOPLE SPEAK. There are more caravans and motor homes on Baiter car park and it will be full very soon unless blockages are put in place as previously suggested and removed for a fee. I asked a Traffic Warden if I were to park there without paying would I receive a fine - she said they WERE NOT EVEN GOING TO THE CAR PARK TO CHECK AS THE THREAT WAS TOO GREAT. So park there for free everyone - I don't think so, do you Shogun50
  • Score: 12

7:49pm Tue 13 May 14

DorsetFerret says...

1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Tue 13 May 14

cromwell9 says...

ProgressiveBournemou
th
wrote:
I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.
Having a point of view in a free society is not racist,Every person is entitled to give their comments,
Only people like you turn it into a racist issue.
[quote][p][bold]ProgressiveBournemou th[/bold] wrote: I see the loony racist moron squad have picked up their knuckles for enough time to type in their daily burst of race-hate.[/p][/quote]Having a point of view in a free society is not racist,Every person is entitled to give their comments, Only people like you turn it into a racist issue. cromwell9
  • Score: 7

8:05pm Tue 13 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w




here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate!
No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that.
....
We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway.
You can thank the Lib Dems for that,
Did you know it cost the Poole tax payers a cool MILLION to get them off the hook with the Bus companys,Typical Lib Dems ,
They get something in their head ,act on it without thinking it through,
And leave us to pick up the TAB.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate![/p][/quote]No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that. .... We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway.[/p][/quote]You can thank the Lib Dems for that, Did you know it cost the Poole tax payers a cool MILLION to get them off the hook with the Bus companys,Typical Lib Dems , They get something in their head ,act on it without thinking it through, And leave us to pick up the TAB. cromwell9
  • Score: 4

8:10pm Tue 13 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament.

As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents.

By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced.
Maybe you didn't know that UKIP councillors have the best attendance records of all parties throughout the country, or maybe you did know but that wouldn't fit with your anti UKIP agenda would it
ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE GOT THIS COUNTRY IN A TERRIBLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE>
DONT WORRY WE INTEND TO CLEAN IT UP.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: Electing UKIP councillors to deal with this is one of the funniest things I've read before.This is the party whose three MEP'S have the worst attendance record at the European Parliament. As with their predecessorsthe BNP they will get some councillors, before they are found out and exposed as clueless incompetents. By all means beleive that a party funded by the wealthy, that proposes tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare cuts for the poor is what the country needs - but don't suspect for a minute that decent folk can't see through them and the fact that they are no more tha a repository for protest votes and a home for every crank, crackpot, bigot and looney tune the country has produced.[/p][/quote]Maybe you didn't know that UKIP councillors have the best attendance records of all parties throughout the country, or maybe you did know but that wouldn't fit with your anti UKIP agenda would it[/p][/quote]ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE GOT THIS COUNTRY IN A TERRIBLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE> DONT WORRY WE INTEND TO CLEAN IT UP. cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:12pm Tue 13 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Norman Stansfield wrote:
Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w





here could that be......
Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean!
It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate!
No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that.
....
We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway.
You can thank the Lib Dems for that,
Did you know it cost the Poole tax payers a cool MILLION to get them off the hook with the Bus companys,Typical Lib Dems ,
They get something in their head ,act on it without thinking it through,
And leave us to pick up the TAB.
As I understand it, the park and ride is what lost the LibDems Creekmoor
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norman Stansfield[/bold] wrote: Lets pretend for a moment, that a transit camp would solve this, allowing them to be moved to it quickly and cleanly. What's needed is a large, tarmac area, perhaps one that was designed to have stuff parked on it, that's little used.....hmmm......w here could that be......[/p][/quote]Ah - Penn Hill Car Park you mean![/p][/quote]It's a thought, but no. C'mon creekmorians, you know it makes sense, step up to the plate![/p][/quote]No it doesn't make sense. The park and ride cannot be used for travellers because the council had government money to build a park and ride and it can only be that. .... We moved here 20 years ago and had come from an area that had a park and ride in the wrong place. But, of course, the council took no notice of our experience when we gave them evidence of that and built the white elephant anyway.[/p][/quote]You can thank the Lib Dems for that, Did you know it cost the Poole tax payers a cool MILLION to get them off the hook with the Bus companys,Typical Lib Dems , They get something in their head ,act on it without thinking it through, And leave us to pick up the TAB.[/p][/quote]As I understand it, the park and ride is what lost the LibDems Creekmoor Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

8:20pm Tue 13 May 14

cromwell9 says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame.
There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue.
You know what party that is.And its not the CON party.
Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act.
Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc.
Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,
Human writes act, eh ?

It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist.

If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland.

I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress.

However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group.

Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'.

Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.
Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive...
YOu wont be so COCKY when you end up in TheTOWER
I will visit you and bring you a book to read ,about our beloved ROYAL FAMILY.Thoe I think you would use it for somthing else.
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame. There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue. You know what party that is.And its not the CON party. Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act. Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc. Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,[/p][/quote]Human writes act, eh ? It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist. If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland. I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress. However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group. Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'. Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.[/p][/quote]Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive...[/p][/quote]YOu wont be so COCKY when you end up in TheTOWER I will visit you and bring you a book to read ,about our beloved ROYAL FAMILY.Thoe I think you would use it for somthing else. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Tue 13 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong.
2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?.
3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say.
4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong..
5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them.
6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know.
7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: 1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.[/p][/quote]1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong. 2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?. 3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say. 4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong.. 5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them. 6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know. 7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

8:31pm Tue 13 May 14

mikeymagic says...

GO AWAY, or PAY! Rent land.
GO AWAY, or PAY! Rent land. mikeymagic
  • Score: 5

8:40pm Tue 13 May 14

pete woodley says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong.
2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?.
3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say.
4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong..
5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them.
6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know.
7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.
Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: 1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.[/p][/quote]1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong. 2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?. 3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say. 4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong.. 5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them. 6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know. 7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.[/p][/quote]Pete woodley is not well,does that please you. pete woodley
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Tue 13 May 14

pete woodley says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong.
2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?.
3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say.
4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong..
5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them.
6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know.
7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.
Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: 1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.[/p][/quote]1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong. 2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?. 3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say. 4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong.. 5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them. 6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know. 7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.[/p][/quote]Pete woodley is not well,does that please you. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Tue 13 May 14

Turtlebay says...

DITHER, DITHER, DITHER!

These councils only dither and never do anything, yet they still claim their wages AND expenses!

For God's sake, councillors, get off your backsides and arrange some permanent sites for the travellers!

DO IT!

NOW!

Pathetic wastes of time!
DITHER, DITHER, DITHER! These councils only dither and never do anything, yet they still claim their wages AND expenses! For God's sake, councillors, get off your backsides and arrange some permanent sites for the travellers! DO IT! NOW! Pathetic wastes of time! Turtlebay
  • Score: -1

9:18pm Tue 13 May 14

DorsetFerret says...

pete woodley wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong.
2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?.
3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say.
4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong..
5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them.
6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know.
7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.
Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.
Not at all Peter. I was just beginning to suffer withdrawal symptoms.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: 1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.[/p][/quote]1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong. 2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?. 3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say. 4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong.. 5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them. 6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know. 7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.[/p][/quote]Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.[/p][/quote]Not at all Peter. I was just beginning to suffer withdrawal symptoms. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Tue 13 May 14

gameon says...

suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom. gameon
  • Score: 6

11:07pm Tue 13 May 14

muscliffman says...

gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
[quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities? muscliffman
  • Score: 6

11:42pm Tue 13 May 14

boardsandphotos says...

cromwell9 wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame.
There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue.
You know what party that is.And its not the CON party.
Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act.
Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc.
Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,
Human writes act, eh ?

It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist.

If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland.

I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress.

However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group.

Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'.

Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.
Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive...
YOu wont be so COCKY when you end up in TheTOWER
I will visit you and bring you a book to read ,about our beloved ROYAL FAMILY.Thoe I think you would use it for somthing else.
What makes you think I have a problem with The Royal Family?

I'm not in the habit of using History books for toilet paper I was brought up better than that.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Iff any of you voted LIB DEM OR LABOUR over the last 20 yrs,you have only yourselves to blame. There is only one party in this country that can resolve this issue. You know what party that is.And its not the CON party. Did you know the IRISH government never signed the Human writes act. Guess who did,(and we were never asked ).etc. Its not that long ago MPS would of been put in the TOWER for what they have done to GB ,[/p][/quote]Human writes act, eh ? It s no wonder that the Irish government never signed it is that it doesn't exist. If you are confusing it the the Human Rights Act 1998 then again there is no surprise there either as that was a piece of legislation passed by the UK Parliament and so had NO effect upon Ireland. I therefore assume you are confusing this with the European Convention of Human Rights of which Ireland was one of the first to sign up to in 1953. I suggest you actually go away and read up on this and then tell us what you disagree with. Though being a supporter of UKIP I am sure the bits about freedom, tolerance and the right of free expression may well cause you distress. However the real problem is not that excellent piece of legislation, nor the UK parliament ratifying it's agreement with it in 1998 BUT the interpretaion of an English judge that ruled that these folk are a seperate ethnic group. Legislation that was brought about to enable protection for all of us has now been misused to protect a group of what could best be described as 'medieval brigands'. Sadly the question of how to sort this out gets constantly clouded over by the sort of witless drivel spewed out by cromwell9 and the other halfwits who are totally clueleless about the causes and what should be done to resolve this annual problem.[/p][/quote]Ireland could've done with the Human Rights act when the real Cromwell was alive...[/p][/quote]YOu wont be so COCKY when you end up in TheTOWER I will visit you and bring you a book to read ,about our beloved ROYAL FAMILY.Thoe I think you would use it for somthing else.[/p][/quote]What makes you think I have a problem with The Royal Family? I'm not in the habit of using History books for toilet paper I was brought up better than that. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 2

12:17am Wed 14 May 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
And that begs the question of why there is never any attempt to clarify who is actually a 'traveller' and whether the authorities are merely using the Aug 2000 ruling as an excuse to do the absolute minimum

Perhaps the council could tell us, via the Daily Echo, exactly what checks are made to ensure that naughty locals don't pretend to be travellers to gain unqualified advantages. How does the council know who are bona fide travellers ?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]And that begs the question of why there is never any attempt to clarify who is actually a 'traveller' and whether the authorities are merely using the Aug 2000 ruling as an excuse to do the absolute minimum Perhaps the council could tell us, via the Daily Echo, exactly what checks are made to ensure that naughty locals don't pretend to be travellers to gain unqualified advantages. How does the council know who are bona fide travellers ? Bob49
  • Score: 7

12:19am Wed 14 May 14

OKANAGAN 1 says...

Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either.
Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either. OKANAGAN 1
  • Score: 0

12:20am Wed 14 May 14

OKANAGAN 1 says...

Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either.
Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either. OKANAGAN 1
  • Score: 1

12:55am Wed 14 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?
The council just needs to hire Rentokil
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?[/p][/quote]The council just needs to hire Rentokil HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 2

12:56am Wed 14 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?
The council just needs to hire Rentokil
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?[/p][/quote]The council just needs to hire Rentokil HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 1

12:56am Wed 14 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

DorsetFerret wrote:
An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?
The council just needs to hire Rentokil
[quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: An opportunity for our Police Commissioner to show some leadership and the council some drive in resolving this early?[/p][/quote]The council just needs to hire Rentokil HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 1

8:19am Wed 14 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

pete woodley wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
DorsetFerret wrote:
1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate.
2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy.
3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure).
4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess.
5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment).
6. Where has Peter Woodley gone?
7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result.

Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.
1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong.
2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?.
3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say.
4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong..
5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them.
6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know.
7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.
Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.
Well I'm relieved that you're not well rather than dead. But I am sorry that you're not well, hope it isn't serious and that you get better soon.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DorsetFerret[/bold] wrote: 1. I'm not convinced councillor Trent has mastered the push button telephone yet, he's stuck in a time warp after losing the planning debate. 2. Councillor Eades is desperately trying to divert attention away from travellers towards waste ground at Hamworthy. 3. Martin Underhill and councillor Atkinson appear to have disappeared on holiday, (not together I'm sure). 4. Councillor Butt is just waiting for the call to resolve this latest mess. 5. Super Snooper is a bit of a sad case (no comment). 6. Where has Peter Woodley gone? 7. Just leaves Martin UKIP who I'm sure will be delighted at the Euro result. Then Travellers must be wetting themselves.[/p][/quote]1. Agreed. He's one of those who won't accept that it was the planning committee who realised the sites were totally wrong. 2. Is he still our impartial mayor or now our impartial deputy mayor?. 3.Yes, they've both been very quiet on this issue. I'd have thought Atkinson would have had something to say. 4. Agreed. But Atkinson is still the group leader and she won't admit she was wrong.. 5. Not just a bit of a sad case. He's still desperately getting the odd snide remark in, even though no-one wants to hear them or pays attention to them. 6. Must be on holiday. Hopefully that rather than something serious, but with us oldies you never know. 7. If they don't succeed this time, they never will.[/p][/quote]Pete woodley is not well,does that please you.[/p][/quote]Well I'm relieved that you're not well rather than dead. But I am sorry that you're not well, hope it isn't serious and that you get better soon. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

8:42am Wed 14 May 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 7

8:46am Wed 14 May 14

justsayithowitis says...

OKANAGAN 1 wrote:
Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either.
Since when has a fence stopped them. They just break fences down. Cheaper to not put a fence up cos they will camp where they like whatever you do and the police won't do anything about it
[quote][p][bold]OKANAGAN 1[/bold] wrote: Rossmore Recreation ground isn't big enough for them. Why not put a fence around the playing area there, and then no one could even get in. A locked gate for the workers may help. I am sure Charlie Hatchard who gave the land to the council wouldn't really approve of what is happening either.[/p][/quote]Since when has a fence stopped them. They just break fences down. Cheaper to not put a fence up cos they will camp where they like whatever you do and the police won't do anything about it justsayithowitis
  • Score: 4

11:13am Wed 14 May 14

Mike R-B says...

ashleycross wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/
Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called.
Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly.
Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.
I am sure I read somewhere that Poole is a separate County authorised with a charter by Queen Elizabeth 1.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: And so it begins .......... and still the council allow them to stay where the hell they like for days before putting removal orders in :o/[/p][/quote]Funnily enough Poole isn't actually any independent country with Poole council allowed to make its own laws up. We are like it or lump it part of England which has laws written by judges and parliament, not a lawless rabble, or chavs as I believe they are now called. Poole doesn't provide temporary sites so can't get court orders to move travelers on quickly. Basically Poole's open spaces are legally available to travelers from all over the country for as long as Poole councilors can't get temporary sites opened in the Borough. So if you went to the meetings and intimidated the councilors from voting for sites, you take the blame thank you very much.[/p][/quote]I am sure I read somewhere that Poole is a separate County authorised with a charter by Queen Elizabeth 1. Mike R-B
  • Score: -1

11:38am Wed 14 May 14

RM says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
Our Police Commissioner seems to have been curiously silent since Sunday & the arrival of the travellers. Maybe he's on holiday?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.[/p][/quote]Our Police Commissioner seems to have been curiously silent since Sunday & the arrival of the travellers. Maybe he's on holiday? RM
  • Score: 3

3:28pm Wed 14 May 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it?

Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.[/p][/quote]No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it? Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them. Baysider
  • Score: 4

8:58pm Wed 14 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Your comments are on here ,dont reflect that you are a UKIP supporter,You know,that I am
So you must be a LIB DEM /LABOUR.
The very partys that have set out to destroy this once great country.
They are both EU supporters along with the Cons,
THe Royal Family is the backbone of the country,she cant have a say,because she is our Queen,
We did not fight 2 world wars to hand this country over to the EU ot the Germans.Thats what Lib /Labour will do,
So Iff you support those two partys you are Not a royalist.
You cant have it both ways,
That goes for any other groups who try to undermind our British way of life
Your comments are on here ,dont reflect that you are a UKIP supporter,You know,that I am So you must be a LIB DEM /LABOUR. The very partys that have set out to destroy this once great country. They are both EU supporters along with the Cons, THe Royal Family is the backbone of the country,she cant have a say,because she is our Queen, We did not fight 2 world wars to hand this country over to the EU ot the Germans.Thats what Lib /Labour will do, So Iff you support those two partys you are Not a royalist. You cant have it both ways, That goes for any other groups who try to undermind our British way of life cromwell9
  • Score: 1

4:19pm Thu 15 May 14

mimi55 says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it?

Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them.
Read the criminal justice act 1994!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.[/p][/quote]No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it? Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them.[/p][/quote]Read the criminal justice act 1994! mimi55
  • Score: -1

5:11pm Thu 15 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Baysider wrote:
"No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it? "

And if you do that, and park your caravan on a Spanish or German playing field, that doesn't make you a traveller either.
Baysider wrote: "No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it? " And if you do that, and park your caravan on a Spanish or German playing field, that doesn't make you a traveller either. Jo__Go
  • Score: -1

6:59pm Thu 15 May 14

Ebb Tide says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it?

Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them.
Surely the idea of blocking them in (perhaps with skips that could be topped up with their rubbish by them before they can get out) had some practical benefits. Just think of the release fees !
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.[/p][/quote]No it's not it's rubbish. If I go and register my car in Spain or buy a BMW in Germany that does not make me Spanish or German does it? Honestly, we're now several days into this discussion and all we've had is the same old reactionary rhetoric from the same old posters with not a single useful, practical, legal solution to the issue being made beyond everyone not buying anything from them.[/p][/quote]Surely the idea of blocking them in (perhaps with skips that could be topped up with their rubbish by them before they can get out) had some practical benefits. Just think of the release fees ! Ebb Tide
  • Score: 2

8:25pm Fri 16 May 14

cromwell9 says...

RM wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
gameon wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
N Smith wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.
No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter
Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside!
I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.
Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one).

So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?
This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.
Our Police Commissioner seems to have been curiously silent since Sunday & the arrival of the travellers. Maybe he's on holiday?
He has gone to Ireland for his Holiday,
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gameon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Don't buy any services off these people and they won't want to stay long.If they can't business they will bugger off somewhere else.[/p][/quote]No they wont mate, there not cash strapped, take a look at some of them Motorhomes, 40K plus. They don't turn up in relics, there caravans are like palaces, besides they like the seaside, especially Baiter[/p][/quote]Their caravans are like palaces because they dump all their c**p outside![/p][/quote]I had them turn up at my business yesterday selling Tools In a Brand new 13 plate Tranni he had all the gear on Ralphy a big rolex and his little boy was smart and clean these guys have got the Loot all right if people are daft enough to patronise them then thats there problem these people take no prisoners when it comes to earning a £ and they dont get it doing a Nine To Five unlike most of us who bump along the bottom.[/p][/quote]Interesting in respect of previous posts, a '13 plate' Transit van could absolutely NOT have been registered during the past few weeks/months to a first owner in either the Irish Republic nor Northern Ireland. (both use totally different number plate systems quite unlike the mainland UK one). So exactly how Irish are some of these 'ethnic Irish travellers' - apparently with Merseyside accents (see comment above) and driving about in new British mainland UK registered vehicles? And should it turn out (goodness forbid anyone in authority actually investigates!) they are not ethnic 'Irish travellers' at all but really non-ethnic 'UK caravanners' taking the proverbial will that make any difference to the responses from our lacklustre authorities?[/p][/quote]This is actually a very good point and one I hope the Council and Martyn Underhill take on board.[/p][/quote]Our Police Commissioner seems to have been curiously silent since Sunday & the arrival of the travellers. Maybe he's on holiday?[/p][/quote]He has gone to Ireland for his Holiday, cromwell9
  • Score: 2

9:30am Sat 17 May 14

summerchild says...

Re the e petition. I could not access it on the given link so hopefully this one will work. Since only 49 people have signed so far it would appear that the majority do not wish to try & get things changed but would rather just moan about it.

https://submissions.
epetitions.direct.go
v.uk/petitions/61822
/signature/thank-you
Re the e petition. I could not access it on the given link so hopefully this one will work. Since only 49 people have signed so far it would appear that the majority do not wish to try & get things changed but would rather just moan about it. https://submissions. epetitions.direct.go v.uk/petitions/61822 /signature/thank-you summerchild
  • Score: 2

9:30am Sat 17 May 14

ADST_2008 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.
I think the paper was right to remove your vile and vindictive comments, but you need to look at the leader of the Council as to why Poole is failing, why hasn’t she been removed ? Funny that
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Funny how all my posts are being removed today,, censorship against asking why our elected councillors failed in their duty,, sorry councillor Butt,, you failed but this paper wants to censor anyone that speaks against you,,, strange that.[/p][/quote]I think the paper was right to remove your vile and vindictive comments, but you need to look at the leader of the Council as to why Poole is failing, why hasn’t she been removed ? Funny that ADST_2008
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Sat 17 May 14

Harveypoole says...

Saturday evening The travellers have left Hatchards Field at Rossmore and Council workers have attended to replace the broken dragons tooth with two very large boulders, well done to these workers. Wonder when they will be back to attend to the other dragons teeth?
Saturday evening The travellers have left Hatchards Field at Rossmore and Council workers have attended to replace the broken dragons tooth with two very large boulders, well done to these workers. Wonder when they will be back to attend to the other dragons teeth? Harveypoole
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9:50am Sun 18 May 14

pete woodley says...

Far too many on here playing at politics when they are inexperienced,
Far too many on here playing at politics when they are inexperienced, pete woodley
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11:00am Sun 18 May 14

Jo__Go says...

pete woodley wrote:
Far too many on here playing at politics when they are inexperienced,
I'm sure they all bow to your superior experience... how many votes did you get in 2012? Oh, I remember, 15 votes, wasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Far too many on here playing at politics when they are inexperienced,[/p][/quote]I'm sure they all bow to your superior experience... how many votes did you get in 2012? Oh, I remember, 15 votes, wasn't it? Jo__Go
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9:58am Fri 23 May 14

judebradders says...

The fact is they are illegally camped on ground that residence would not be able to camp on and get away with their actions.

WHY is it one law for tax payers and one law for tax avoider's and this goes all the way across the board to those travelers and the high earners.

WE should all make a point by parking illegally for a day and having a party on Baiter park .... to get the point across that if they can do this so can the residence of Poole who at the end of the day have paid for the community areas in their taxes.
The fact is they are illegally camped on ground that residence would not be able to camp on and get away with their actions. WHY is it one law for tax payers and one law for tax avoider's and this goes all the way across the board to those travelers and the high earners. WE should all make a point by parking illegally for a day and having a party on Baiter park .... to get the point across that if they can do this so can the residence of Poole who at the end of the day have paid for the community areas in their taxes. judebradders
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