Poole’s Conservative group leader Elaine Atkinson could step aside – but will remain leader of the council

Bournemouth Echo: Poole’s Conservative group leader Elaine Atkinson could step aside – but will remain leader of the council Poole’s Conservative group leader Elaine Atkinson could step aside – but will remain leader of the council

THE Conservative group leader at Borough of Poole is proposing to step aside while retaining her leadership of the council.

Cllr Elaine Atkinson, who believes she will face a challenge to her leadership of the Tories at a meeting on Monday night, has said she was intending to step down as group leader in May anyway.

She said: “Cllr Judy Butt is trying to pre-empt that. The proposition she is going to put at the meeting on Monday is to oust me as group leader.

“I don’t believe there is support for that,” she said.

But Cllr Butt, who is secretary of the group of 19 remaining Conservative councillors, has said she has not moved a vote of no confidence. She said she was obliged to deal with the motions tabled by other members.

Recently, the group has seen two defections with Cllr Sally Carpenter joining Poole People and Cllr Tony Woodcock becoming the first Ukip councillor, while the borough has been rocked over controversial proposals for traveller sites, which saw Cllr Butt sacked from her cabinet position.

Cllr Les Burden, who represents Creekmoor and has been on the council for 15 years said: “The problem we have got I put down to the fact she has, in my opinion, tried to stifle debate.”

The backbencher said: “We are entitled to our opinion, it may not be what the leadership want to hear.” He added: “Two people crossing the floor is not good.

“Hopefully, the outcome of this meeting on Monday, I’m hoping, will be some positive way forward to the more harmonious working of the group.”

Cllr Atkinson, who became council leader in 2010 after the death of Brian Leverett – who was council leader without leading his group – said she had been discussing relinquishing the group leadership at the AGM in May.

“We have been trying to work out the best way to run for the elections next year. There is big pressure from Ukip and Poole People. My proposal is that somebody else picks up that role in the run-up to the elections.”

She believed there would be little support for a motion of no confidence but said if someone else did take over it would only be until May when group elections take place.

She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

 

Judy Butt "saddened and offended" by leader's claims

COUNCILLOR Butt said she was “saddened and greatly offended” by claims she had called for a no-confidence vote in Cllr Atkinson. 

She added: “As group secretary I am responsible for advising the Conservative group as to the procedures and rules.

“The vote of no confidence in her as group leader and council leader is in full conformity with those rules and has been called by several Conservatives.”

She said her recent dismissal from the Borough of Poole cabinet over the issue of traveller sites has been “unfair and unwarranted”.

Cllr Butt added she would “do all I can to maintain the honour and dignity of our group, which in my opinion is key.”

 

No challenge for council leadership

COUNCILLOR Mike Brooke, leader of the 18-strong Liberal Democrat group, said they were not intending to mount a challenge for leadership of the council.

However after the defections, “We did discuss it,” he said. “But with a year to go (until the election) basically what can you achieve in a year?”

He added: “Politically it doesn’t make sense for us.”

He said his group had not been approached directly about a challenge to the council leadership and would in all probability not support one at a council meeting that came out of the blue.

The hung council has 42 members of whom 19 are Conservative, 18 Liberal Democrat, four Poole People and one UKIP.

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10:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

sea poole says...

And these are the people whom we elected and they are supposed to be guardians of our welfare and hard-pressed council tax...?
At least 'the fat lady finally sings...'
And these are the people whom we elected and they are supposed to be guardians of our welfare and hard-pressed council tax...? At least 'the fat lady finally sings...' sea poole
  • Score: 16

10:21am Sat 12 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

Atkinson seems to have a real a real problem in her opinion of Judy Butt. Could it be that Atkinson wanted to push through the TSP at Creekmoor regardless of the suitability of the site itself, and was upset when Judy Butt informed her residents of the proposal so that they could put forward sound reasons why Marshes End wasn't suitable and which was subsequently agreed as the case by the Planning Committee?
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Doesn't she realise that making claims against Judy Butt which seem to be untrue will alienate voters?
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Whatever the truth, the LibDems must be very happy.
Atkinson seems to have a real a real problem in her opinion of Judy Butt. Could it be that Atkinson wanted to push through the TSP at Creekmoor regardless of the suitability of the site itself, and was upset when Judy Butt informed her residents of the proposal so that they could put forward sound reasons why Marshes End wasn't suitable and which was subsequently agreed as the case by the Planning Committee? ...... Doesn't she realise that making claims against Judy Butt which seem to be untrue will alienate voters? ...... Whatever the truth, the LibDems must be very happy. Carolyn43
  • Score: 17

10:22am Sat 12 Apr 14

ShuttleX says...

She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”


You're arrogance is showing through again. Your plan to hang on to power as tight as you can, regardless of what your own party thinks, shows what sort of person you are Ms Atkinson. You also are very liberal with the truth. You have been told in no uncertain terms that if it goes to a vote, you will be out on your butt. That is why you are giving up the Leadership of your party, no other reason. The only reason you are desperate to hang on to the Leadership of the Council, is you know that whoever takes over will sideline you in an instant. That is a fate worse than death to you. To just be a Councillor in a Council that takes no notice of what you say. You were wrong to sack Cllr Butt. It was a personal thing, nothing to do with her work. You threw your toys out of the pram, stamped your feet like a petulant toddler, then sacked her because she dared disagree with you. Once again you were warned not to do it as it would turn other Cllrs against you, but you still wouldn't listen. Now you are reaping what you sowed. Just in case you are wondering Ms Atkinson, yes, your staff are talking about you behind your back, and yes, what they are saying is getting back to us in Bournemouth.
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” You're arrogance is showing through again. Your plan to hang on to power as tight as you can, regardless of what your own party thinks, shows what sort of person you are Ms Atkinson. You also are very liberal with the truth. You have been told in no uncertain terms that if it goes to a vote, you will be out on your butt. That is why you are giving up the Leadership of your party, no other reason. The only reason you are desperate to hang on to the Leadership of the Council, is you know that whoever takes over will sideline you in an instant. That is a fate worse than death to you. To just be a Councillor in a Council that takes no notice of what you say. You were wrong to sack Cllr Butt. It was a personal thing, nothing to do with her work. You threw your toys out of the pram, stamped your feet like a petulant toddler, then sacked her because she dared disagree with you. Once again you were warned not to do it as it would turn other Cllrs against you, but you still wouldn't listen. Now you are reaping what you sowed. Just in case you are wondering Ms Atkinson, yes, your staff are talking about you behind your back, and yes, what they are saying is getting back to us in Bournemouth. ShuttleX
  • Score: 26

10:32am Sat 12 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

I know Judy Butt and she categorically did NOT propose the vote of no confidence, though she has every reason to do so. In fact, the real proposers asked for anonymity in fear of reprisals, and she has honoured that.

The real reason that Atkinson won't step aside is that she is desperate to hang on to the £30K a year Leader's allowance because she's terrified she is unemployable at anything else.

She absolutely MUST go NOW before she completely destroys the Conservative administration and makes them unelectable, which explains why Mike Brooke isn't interested in challenging her yet. The Group Leader position only matters to the Conservative Group; as Council Leader she is blood-sucking from all of us and damaging Poole and its Council.
I know Judy Butt and she categorically did NOT propose the vote of no confidence, though she has every reason to do so. In fact, the real proposers asked for anonymity in fear of reprisals, and she has honoured that. The real reason that Atkinson won't step aside is that she is desperate to hang on to the £30K a year Leader's allowance because she's terrified she is unemployable at anything else. She absolutely MUST go NOW before she completely destroys the Conservative administration and makes them unelectable, which explains why Mike Brooke isn't interested in challenging her yet. The Group Leader position only matters to the Conservative Group; as Council Leader she is blood-sucking from all of us and damaging Poole and its Council. Mad Karew
  • Score: 27

10:47am Sat 12 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 23

11:26am Sat 12 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership. muscliffman
  • Score: 8

11:27am Sat 12 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

Once again Cllr Elaine Atkinson has got the wrong end of the stick. Its one of many........Once there is a whiff of a challenge its time to go.
Or is it something else keeping her there, perhaps the 35K salary me thinks!
Once again Cllr Elaine Atkinson has got the wrong end of the stick. Its one of many........Once there is a whiff of a challenge its time to go. Or is it something else keeping her there, perhaps the 35K salary me thinks! ADST_2008
  • Score: 13

11:35am Sat 12 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group. ADST_2008
  • Score: 19

11:43am Sat 12 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

Stay on as Conservative group leader, step down as Leader?
Stay on as Conservative group leader, step down as Leader? ADST_2008
  • Score: 4

12:07pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Major Futtock says...

For God's sake woman do you not know when you are beaten? Are you after the award for Most unpopular Woman in Poole Council.
You must have a skin like aRhino not to realise your game is up and your days are numbered.
For the sake of Poole, which you claim to love so much, PLEASE resign FROM THE COUNCIL NOW! Before you totally destroy what we the local residents have left of a once wonderful town.
For God's sake woman do you not know when you are beaten? Are you after the award for Most unpopular Woman in Poole Council. You must have a skin like aRhino not to realise your game is up and your days are numbered. For the sake of Poole, which you claim to love so much, PLEASE resign FROM THE COUNCIL NOW! Before you totally destroy what we the local residents have left of a once wonderful town. Major Futtock
  • Score: 21

1:06pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Leslie Jones says...

I am recently retired, born and bred in Poole and I have always voted Tory and i would like to continue to do so, but what is left to vote for at the moment in Poole? I have followed the TSP issue since it was first raised and I am shocked that this Cllr Atkinson is still in her ward seat let alone as Leader and or Conservative Group Leader. I have never heard such a selfish rant, clearly it is all about her and her clutching on to power and the money, alarming that the Council is in such a poor state through her actions, that the Liberal Democrats don't want to go near the Leadership, Cllr Brooke no doubt would have bitten their hand off to Lead the Council three years ago! I hope that Cllr Butt can find some redress for Cllr Atkinson's blaming her for proposing a vote of no confidence, actually no one would blame Cllr Butt you if she had as it's clear in reading all the articles and comments regarding the TSP's that she knows how to act with dignity, unlike the Leader. Well like the Maria Miller matter if we have a rotten egg we would hope that the party at the top would get rid of it, she lied she went, Cllrs Atkinson has misrepresented the facts repeatedly regarding Cllr Butt, what else is she misrepresenting?
RESIGN AS COUNCIL LEADER YOU HAVE NO PLACE STAYING IN POWER TO SUIT YOUR OWN ENDS, yes I am sure there is much to do but driving what is left of our Council into the ground is not one of them GO and GO NOW Please save what is left of your name and that of the Conservative Party..
I am recently retired, born and bred in Poole and I have always voted Tory and i would like to continue to do so, but what is left to vote for at the moment in Poole? I have followed the TSP issue since it was first raised and I am shocked that this Cllr Atkinson is still in her ward seat let alone as Leader and or Conservative Group Leader. I have never heard such a selfish rant, clearly it is all about her and her clutching on to power and the money, alarming that the Council is in such a poor state through her actions, that the Liberal Democrats don't want to go near the Leadership, Cllr Brooke no doubt would have bitten their hand off to Lead the Council three years ago! I hope that Cllr Butt can find some redress for Cllr Atkinson's blaming her for proposing a vote of no confidence, actually no one would blame Cllr Butt you if she had as it's clear in reading all the articles and comments regarding the TSP's that she knows how to act with dignity, unlike the Leader. Well like the Maria Miller matter if we have a rotten egg we would hope that the party at the top would get rid of it, she lied she went, Cllrs Atkinson has misrepresented the facts repeatedly regarding Cllr Butt, what else is she misrepresenting? RESIGN AS COUNCIL LEADER YOU HAVE NO PLACE STAYING IN POWER TO SUIT YOUR OWN ENDS, yes I am sure there is much to do but driving what is left of our Council into the ground is not one of them GO and GO NOW Please save what is left of your name and that of the Conservative Party.. Leslie Jones
  • Score: 19

1:57pm Sat 12 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

How can she lead the council if she can't even lead her own party in the area? Nonsense. According to other posters she gets £35K salary and £30K expenses. Not bad for someone who elicits zero confidence from her own peers and even less from the local populace!
How can she lead the council if she can't even lead her own party in the area? Nonsense. According to other posters she gets £35K salary and £30K expenses. Not bad for someone who elicits zero confidence from her own peers and even less from the local populace! speedy231278
  • Score: 20

2:47pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Big Man 2 says...

What a strange web this lady weaves, doesn't want to lead the Tory group , but still wants to lead the Council ! Sorry Clr. Atkinson, you are not fit to lead anything , all your credibility has now gone so do the right thing and totally resign, leave politics behind you and get on with your life somewhere else.

Your behaviour witnessed in the Council Chamber when TSP debacle first became public was nothing short of a disgrace, acting like a spoilt child who couldn't have their own way.

Your sacking of Cllr Butt was a huge mistake, followed by losing Cllr Woodcock to UKIP , then having the nerve to say that the Planners refusing the TSP was democracy in action, yet you wanted to totally deny Creekmoor residents any democratic voice over the TSP.

Councillor Atkinson it is time to fall on your sword now !!!!
What a strange web this lady weaves, doesn't want to lead the Tory group , but still wants to lead the Council ! Sorry Clr. Atkinson, you are not fit to lead anything , all your credibility has now gone so do the right thing and totally resign, leave politics behind you and get on with your life somewhere else. Your behaviour witnessed in the Council Chamber when TSP debacle first became public was nothing short of a disgrace, acting like a spoilt child who couldn't have their own way. Your sacking of Cllr Butt was a huge mistake, followed by losing Cllr Woodcock to UKIP , then having the nerve to say that the Planners refusing the TSP was democracy in action, yet you wanted to totally deny Creekmoor residents any democratic voice over the TSP. Councillor Atkinson it is time to fall on your sword now !!!! Big Man 2
  • Score: 18

3:43pm Sat 12 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

Big Man beat me to it. Not exactly falling on her sword is she? More being dragged to the arena. Perhaps on her way she could grab hold of the other co-conspirator that led to this, councillor Eades and ensure he doesn't make a grab for the leadership. Wouldn't put that past him.
Big Man beat me to it. Not exactly falling on her sword is she? More being dragged to the arena. Perhaps on her way she could grab hold of the other co-conspirator that led to this, councillor Eades and ensure he doesn't make a grab for the leadership. Wouldn't put that past him. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 14

4:45pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Justin Black says...

Perhaps Councillor Atkinson and Councillor Nottage from Christchurch both went to the same school of charm. However when it comes to the challenge love why not see if you can save your job by voting twice as Councillor Nottage did at Christchurch.
Perhaps Councillor Atkinson and Councillor Nottage from Christchurch both went to the same school of charm. However when it comes to the challenge love why not see if you can save your job by voting twice as Councillor Nottage did at Christchurch. Justin Black
  • Score: 9

5:49pm Sat 12 Apr 14

apm1954 says...

who cares anymore , i am going down the pub.
who cares anymore , i am going down the pub. apm1954
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Sat 12 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Mad Karew wrote:
I know Judy Butt and she categorically did NOT propose the vote of no confidence, though she has every reason to do so. In fact, the real proposers asked for anonymity in fear of reprisals, and she has honoured that.

The real reason that Atkinson won't step aside is that she is desperate to hang on to the £30K a year Leader's allowance because she's terrified she is unemployable at anything else.

She absolutely MUST go NOW before she completely destroys the Conservative administration and makes them unelectable, which explains why Mike Brooke isn't interested in challenging her yet. The Group Leader position only matters to the Conservative Group; as Council Leader she is blood-sucking from all of us and damaging Poole and its Council.
Maria Miller has made the Cons unelectable.
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By supporting her grubby greed the whole party should rot in hell.
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: I know Judy Butt and she categorically did NOT propose the vote of no confidence, though she has every reason to do so. In fact, the real proposers asked for anonymity in fear of reprisals, and she has honoured that. The real reason that Atkinson won't step aside is that she is desperate to hang on to the £30K a year Leader's allowance because she's terrified she is unemployable at anything else. She absolutely MUST go NOW before she completely destroys the Conservative administration and makes them unelectable, which explains why Mike Brooke isn't interested in challenging her yet. The Group Leader position only matters to the Conservative Group; as Council Leader she is blood-sucking from all of us and damaging Poole and its Council.[/p][/quote]Maria Miller has made the Cons unelectable. . By supporting her grubby greed the whole party should rot in hell. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 2

10:56pm Sat 12 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

ADST_2008 wrote:
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.
If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority.
The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise.
She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.[/p][/quote]If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority. The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise. She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -9

12:31am Sun 13 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

PooperScooper off on one again...
PooperScooper off on one again... Jo__Go
  • Score: 2

8:32am Sun 13 Apr 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

This story should read "Poole’s Conservative group leader Elaine Atkinson SHOULD step aside.".........
This story should read "Poole’s Conservative group leader Elaine Atkinson SHOULD step aside."......... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 7

9:02am Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

Love the change to PooperScooper. Could it be that he and his cronies resent Judy Butt representing her residents as opposed to them just out for power and b*****r the residents?
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Attacks on the person rather than how they do their job are totally unacceptable, but typical of those who think they are above the rest of us.
Love the change to PooperScooper. Could it be that he and his cronies resent Judy Butt representing her residents as opposed to them just out for power and b*****r the residents? ....... Attacks on the person rather than how they do their job are totally unacceptable, but typical of those who think they are above the rest of us. Carolyn43
  • Score: 10

9:28am Sun 13 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Wouldn't it be nice if the various councillors and those connected to them actually used their real names on here rather than hiding behind the anonymity afforded by the internet to air their dirty washing and petty personal grievances.

As elected members you should be ashamed and look to the example of Cllr Trent.
Wouldn't it be nice if the various councillors and those connected to them actually used their real names on here rather than hiding behind the anonymity afforded by the internet to air their dirty washing and petty personal grievances. As elected members you should be ashamed and look to the example of Cllr Trent. Baysider
  • Score: 14

9:35am Sun 13 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

Issue #1 - Atkinson's fitness to lead. Her behaviour over the travellers TSP debacle gives a telling picture of her ability and attitude; her frankly incredible claim that she was 'advised by the police' that she should fear for her personal safety at a residents meeting is a worrying insight into a troubled woman. Not sure what the opposite of leadership is, but that's exactly what Atkinson demonstrated. She has to go.
Issue #2 - Judy Butt's behaviour. Apparently PS has unique insights into Judy's mental health, the workings of the local party, and the mind of the Secretary of State for Community and Local Government. I have no idea whether any of these claims are true, and neither, I suspect, does PooperScooper. What *is* clear is the depth of personal hatred that PS bears toward Judy. I'd be among the last to claim that Judy Butt is a saint, much less an angel, but her behaviour and accomplishments, alongside the other ward councillors, on the TSP issue are worthy of admiration, and gratitude. They supported local residents and eventually the Planning Cttee saw the light, while Atkinson and others continued to cover their eyes , screaming like Chicken Little that the sky was falling in.
PooperScooper's posts are at best unkind and misguided, and at worst malicious and conspiratorial. Take them with a very large lump of salt.
Issue #1 - Atkinson's fitness to lead. Her behaviour over the travellers TSP debacle gives a telling picture of her ability and attitude; her frankly incredible claim that she was 'advised by the police' that she should fear for her personal safety at a residents meeting is a worrying insight into a troubled woman. Not sure what the opposite of leadership is, but that's exactly what Atkinson demonstrated. She has to go. Issue #2 - Judy Butt's behaviour. Apparently PS has unique insights into Judy's mental health, the workings of the local party, and the mind of the Secretary of State for Community and Local Government. I have no idea whether any of these claims are true, and neither, I suspect, does PooperScooper. What *is* clear is the depth of personal hatred that PS bears toward Judy. I'd be among the last to claim that Judy Butt is a saint, much less an angel, but her behaviour and accomplishments, alongside the other ward councillors, on the TSP issue are worthy of admiration, and gratitude. They supported local residents and eventually the Planning Cttee saw the light, while Atkinson and others continued to cover their eyes , screaming like Chicken Little that the sky was falling in. PooperScooper's posts are at best unkind and misguided, and at worst malicious and conspiratorial. Take them with a very large lump of salt. Jo__Go
  • Score: 8

9:47am Sun 13 Apr 14

hamworthygarden says...

Reading all these comments has horrified me, these are the people who are representing us in the borough, no wonder we have a new bridge which is not fit for purpose, a road system to and from it again not fit for purpose and they have had to spend even more money changing it once again, just an example of the awful planning that has gone one. As far as I can see we should get rid of the majority of them and start again with people who truly represent the people of Poole.
Reading all these comments has horrified me, these are the people who are representing us in the borough, no wonder we have a new bridge which is not fit for purpose, a road system to and from it again not fit for purpose and they have had to spend even more money changing it once again, just an example of the awful planning that has gone one. As far as I can see we should get rid of the majority of them and start again with people who truly represent the people of Poole. hamworthygarden
  • Score: 6

9:48am Sun 13 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

Darn, missed off the first paragraph of my post, which was saying that PooperScooper is aiming to mislead by rolling together two completely separate issues.
Darn, missed off the first paragraph of my post, which was saying that PooperScooper is aiming to mislead by rolling together two completely separate issues. Jo__Go
  • Score: 6

9:51am Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

Agree with everything you say Jo-Go. SuperSnooper is downright nasty and that's obviously why he's hiding behind a screen name. I suspect if his real identity was known very many who he currently thinks of as friends would have nothing more to do with him. He'd a coward.
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As for making mention of someone's health, whether real or not, is definitely unacceptable.
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His rants and personal vendetta are likely increase support for Judy Butt and turn more against Atkinson and the rest of the Conservatives. The opposite of what he intends.
Agree with everything you say Jo-Go. SuperSnooper is downright nasty and that's obviously why he's hiding behind a screen name. I suspect if his real identity was known very many who he currently thinks of as friends would have nothing more to do with him. He'd a coward. ...... As for making mention of someone's health, whether real or not, is definitely unacceptable. ...... His rants and personal vendetta are likely increase support for Judy Butt and turn more against Atkinson and the rest of the Conservatives. The opposite of what he intends. Carolyn43
  • Score: 11

11:10am Sun 13 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor.
As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
ADST_2008 wrote:
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.
If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority.
The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise.
She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.
Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ?
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.[/p][/quote]If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority. The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise. She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.[/p][/quote]Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ? ADST_2008
  • Score: 7

12:42pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.

LET HOPE THEY READ IT AGAIN!
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group. LET HOPE THEY READ IT AGAIN! ADST_2008
  • Score: 4

1:18pm Sun 13 Apr 14

ADST_2008 says...

pete woodley wrote:
As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor.
I am a big supporter of Carolyne43 and not at all tired of her endless comments, who in my opinion gives a very good and accurate response to these baseless and cowardly comments in this newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor.[/p][/quote]I am a big supporter of Carolyne43 and not at all tired of her endless comments, who in my opinion gives a very good and accurate response to these baseless and cowardly comments in this newspaper. ADST_2008
  • Score: 7

3:30pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

Does PooperScooper actually ever read what s/he posts? Twaddle with a capital B...
Does PooperScooper actually ever read what s/he posts? Twaddle with a capital B... Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

4:52pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it. Mad Karew
  • Score: 6

5:07pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias...
Isn't that right "Babe"
Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 4

5:23pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen
t.uk/documents/impac
t-assessments/IA11-0
10AS.pdf
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Sun 13 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias...
Isn't that right "Babe"
Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.
Given the originality of the alias used, me thinks a glance in the direction of a senior lLberal/Dems might shed some light. Certainly seems to know something of council operation. Now let me think?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.[/p][/quote]Given the originality of the alias used, me thinks a glance in the direction of a senior lLberal/Dems might shed some light. Certainly seems to know something of council operation. Now let me think? DorsetFerret
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

ADST_2008 wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor.
I am a big supporter of Carolyne43 and not at all tired of her endless comments, who in my opinion gives a very good and accurate response to these baseless and cowardly comments in this newspaper.
Sorry to disappoint you Pete Woodley, I have absolutely no dreams of being a councillor. I was once a Parish councillor elsewhere, doing the job for free, but even then there was nastiness and some with delusions of grandeur plus some who thought they could use the position for their own benefit. Not unlike here but on a smaller scale. Plus at well over 70, I am happily retired and have absolutely no respect for the majority of politicians, both at local, national and European levels.
........
What I don't like are personal attacks and general nastiness by those who attempt to assassinate the reputation of an individual to further their own ambitions. I'm sure some of the comments are libellous and I'm glad to see that some of PooperScooper's unacceptable posts have been removed. He/she definitely stepped over the line with them and I'm sure he/she isn't as white as snow.
........
And Pete I could be tired of your endless comments, but I recognise that we live in a democracy and have free speech (to a certain extent), so you are free to continue with your endless comments as am I and everyone else who posts. I might not agree with you but I have the good sense not to look for an ulterior motive in what you say. Please give me the same courtesy.
[quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: As an outsider,my personal opinion is that Judy Butt,seems to have brought a lot of trouble on herself.We are all aware that politics can be dirty,but to get on under a tory ticket,then act like she has,shows a lack of tact.and at times she has been very juvenile.The tories need shaking up,but Butts head has got too big.And i am sure a lot of us are tired of the endless comments from Carolyne43,who obviously has dreams of being a councillor.[/p][/quote]I am a big supporter of Carolyne43 and not at all tired of her endless comments, who in my opinion gives a very good and accurate response to these baseless and cowardly comments in this newspaper.[/p][/quote]Sorry to disappoint you Pete Woodley, I have absolutely no dreams of being a councillor. I was once a Parish councillor elsewhere, doing the job for free, but even then there was nastiness and some with delusions of grandeur plus some who thought they could use the position for their own benefit. Not unlike here but on a smaller scale. Plus at well over 70, I am happily retired and have absolutely no respect for the majority of politicians, both at local, national and European levels. ........ What I don't like are personal attacks and general nastiness by those who attempt to assassinate the reputation of an individual to further their own ambitions. I'm sure some of the comments are libellous and I'm glad to see that some of PooperScooper's unacceptable posts have been removed. He/she definitely stepped over the line with them and I'm sure he/she isn't as white as snow. ........ And Pete I could be tired of your endless comments, but I recognise that we live in a democracy and have free speech (to a certain extent), so you are free to continue with your endless comments as am I and everyone else who posts. I might not agree with you but I have the good sense not to look for an ulterior motive in what you say. Please give me the same courtesy. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen

t.uk/documents/impac

t-assessments/IA11-0

10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe" SuperSnooper
  • Score: -4

7:22pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate...
All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal
I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate... All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal SuperSnooper
  • Score: -8

7:36pm Sun 13 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

I have been a Town councillor in another area and was unpaid too,and have been involved in local politics for over 65 years.In all that time i have never known,such a concentrated attack on a local councillor,and those who have not agreed with you.You go on about someone hiding behind a screen name,but still do not give your full name just Carolyne43.You say personal attacks are not acceptable,yet you are always making them.You talk down to people like a retired headmistress.Just what do you hope to achieve with constant commenting on this site as very few ,i believe are bothered to read it all.I am nearly 80,so dont plead the elderly lady rubbish.Have you noticed no comments from Cllr Atkinson in reply to your many,thats the way its done in the right circles,NOT attention seeking monotonous comments.
I have been a Town councillor in another area and was unpaid too,and have been involved in local politics for over 65 years.In all that time i have never known,such a concentrated attack on a local councillor,and those who have not agreed with you.You go on about someone hiding behind a screen name,but still do not give your full name just Carolyne43.You say personal attacks are not acceptable,yet you are always making them.You talk down to people like a retired headmistress.Just what do you hope to achieve with constant commenting on this site as very few ,i believe are bothered to read it all.I am nearly 80,so dont plead the elderly lady rubbish.Have you noticed no comments from Cllr Atkinson in reply to your many,thats the way its done in the right circles,NOT attention seeking monotonous comments. pete woodley
  • Score: -4

7:47pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

pete woodley wrote:
I have been a Town councillor in another area and was unpaid too,and have been involved in local politics for over 65 years.In all that time i have never known,such a concentrated attack on a local councillor,and those who have not agreed with you.You go on about someone hiding behind a screen name,but still do not give your full name just Carolyne43.You say personal attacks are not acceptable,yet you are always making them.You talk down to people like a retired headmistress.Just what do you hope to achieve with constant commenting on this site as very few ,i believe are bothered to read it all.I am nearly 80,so dont plead the elderly lady rubbish.Have you noticed no comments from Cllr Atkinson in reply to your many,thats the way its done in the right circles,NOT attention seeking monotonous comments.
My name is Carolyn. I criticise the WORK of Atkinson, not her personally. And well done - I am a retired head mistress.
......
As for your accusation of monotonous comments - just look at your own. I'm not repaired to more personal about you than that, unlike yourself.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I have been a Town councillor in another area and was unpaid too,and have been involved in local politics for over 65 years.In all that time i have never known,such a concentrated attack on a local councillor,and those who have not agreed with you.You go on about someone hiding behind a screen name,but still do not give your full name just Carolyne43.You say personal attacks are not acceptable,yet you are always making them.You talk down to people like a retired headmistress.Just what do you hope to achieve with constant commenting on this site as very few ,i believe are bothered to read it all.I am nearly 80,so dont plead the elderly lady rubbish.Have you noticed no comments from Cllr Atkinson in reply to your many,thats the way its done in the right circles,NOT attention seeking monotonous comments.[/p][/quote]My name is Carolyn. I criticise the WORK of Atkinson, not her personally. And well done - I am a retired head mistress. ...... As for your accusation of monotonous comments - just look at your own. I'm not repaired to more personal about you than that, unlike yourself. Carolyn43
  • Score: 4

7:50pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

Oh and Pete - when were you appointed moderator of this forum?
Oh and Pete - when were you appointed moderator of this forum? Carolyn43
  • Score: 5

8:04pm Sun 13 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get.
Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get. pete woodley
  • Score: -3

8:14pm Sun 13 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

pete woodley wrote:
Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get.
As I have pointed out before Mr Woodley. This is not a social networking site but a forum for topical discussion'. Stop harping back to your past glories and join the real (modern) world.. Or better still stop posting rubbish. Off you go now to the moderator and complain.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get.[/p][/quote]As I have pointed out before Mr Woodley. This is not a social networking site but a forum for topical discussion'. Stop harping back to your past glories and join the real (modern) world.. Or better still stop posting rubbish. Off you go now to the moderator and complain. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 8

8:15pm Sun 13 Apr 14

DorsetFerret says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate...
All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal
You wish.....Poole people more likely.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate... All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal[/p][/quote]You wish.....Poole people more likely. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

pete woodley wrote:
Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get.
For reasons which you have no right to know, I am not permitted to give my full name, but if you want a surname, how about Smith?
.........
It's the obvious members of political groups that I think should give their full name - I couldn't care less about anyone else.
.....
And I'm not pleading elderly lady. Just that happily retired at over 70 I have no interest in becoming a councillor or politician or even helping out a political party, or doing work of any kind. But as a voter and council tax payer, I am entitled to express an opinion on the WORK of councillors, but I have never been PERSONAL about any of them.
......
Obviously some do read what I post and agree with me as some of my posts above are +14, +5 and +7 but all I'm concerned with is expressing my opinion about of the WORK done. And generally it isn't a high opinion. I don't know what any of them are like PERSONALLY, so I wouldn't dream of making a PERSONAL comment.
......
Anyway this is getting off topic and I have no desire to enter into a one to one argument with you about me. That's my final word on that subject except it's Carolyn, not Carolyne.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Still just Carolyne,still not honest enough to give full name,yet you have a go at someone else for not giving theirs,how two faced can you get.[/p][/quote]For reasons which you have no right to know, I am not permitted to give my full name, but if you want a surname, how about Smith? ......... It's the obvious members of political groups that I think should give their full name - I couldn't care less about anyone else. ..... And I'm not pleading elderly lady. Just that happily retired at over 70 I have no interest in becoming a councillor or politician or even helping out a political party, or doing work of any kind. But as a voter and council tax payer, I am entitled to express an opinion on the WORK of councillors, but I have never been PERSONAL about any of them. ...... Obviously some do read what I post and agree with me as some of my posts above are +14, +5 and +7 but all I'm concerned with is expressing my opinion about of the WORK done. And generally it isn't a high opinion. I don't know what any of them are like PERSONALLY, so I wouldn't dream of making a PERSONAL comment. ...... Anyway this is getting off topic and I have no desire to enter into a one to one argument with you about me. That's my final word on that subject except it's Carolyn, not Carolyne. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen


t.uk/documents/impac


t-assessments/IA11-0


10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

8:42pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate...
All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal
Sorry SRS but if the Council goes LD next year it will be Atkinson's doing not Judy's.
And Creekmoor never was a Conservative ward; Judy won originally doing exactly what she does now, listening to and campaigning for her residents. Which is why she and the Creekmoor team will win regardless of what party they represent. In case you didn't notice, the LDs voted solidly in favour of the TSP, which didn't gain them any friends in Creekmoor.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate... All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal[/p][/quote]Sorry SRS but if the Council goes LD next year it will be Atkinson's doing not Judy's. And Creekmoor never was a Conservative ward; Judy won originally doing exactly what she does now, listening to and campaigning for her residents. Which is why she and the Creekmoor team will win regardless of what party they represent. In case you didn't notice, the LDs voted solidly in favour of the TSP, which didn't gain them any friends in Creekmoor. Mad Karew
  • Score: 2

8:46pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate...
All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal
I sincerely hope you are part of the LibDem campaign team :)
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: I believe there is talk that the liberal party are clubbing together to buy a big thank you gift for Babe,, sorry Judy Butt,, to thank her for handing the next election to the liberals on a plate... All the Creekmoor seats are well and truly back to Liberal[/p][/quote]I sincerely hope you are part of the LibDem campaign team :) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Sun 13 Apr 14

sap_user says...

Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS? sap_user
  • Score: -1

9:00pm Sun 13 Apr 14

sap_user says...

Oh yes
S.R.S
Oh yes S.R.S sap_user
  • Score: -1

9:06pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

sap_user wrote:
Oh yes
S.R.S
Or you could make it S.R-S ?
[quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: Oh yes S.R.S[/p][/quote]Or you could make it S.R-S ? Mad Karew
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Sun 13 Apr 14

sap_user says...

I would sugget. SrS turns his/her iPhone off
I would sugget. SrS turns his/her iPhone off sap_user
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Sun 13 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Not allowed to give your full name carolyn,dont tell me you work for M15,WINK WINK.your secret is safe,what a surprise.
Not allowed to give your full name carolyn,dont tell me you work for M15,WINK WINK.your secret is safe,what a surprise. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Sun 13 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Not allowed to give your full name carolyn,dont tell me you work for M15,WINK WINK.your secret is safe,what a surprise.
Not allowed to give your full name carolyn,dont tell me you work for M15,WINK WINK.your secret is safe,what a surprise. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

9:36pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

sap_user wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen....
Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...
[quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS?[/p][/quote]Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen.... Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -2

9:49pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
sap_user wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen....
Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...
Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult.
Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS?[/p][/quote]Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen.... Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...[/p][/quote]Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult. Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward. Mad Karew
  • Score: -1

9:49pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
sap_user wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen....
Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...
Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult.
Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS?[/p][/quote]Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen.... Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...[/p][/quote]Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult. Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward. Mad Karew
  • Score: -1

9:50pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen



t.uk/documents/impac



t-assessments/IA11-0



10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -7

10:03pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
sap_user wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen....
Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...
Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult.
Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.
What a joke !!!!!!
She wasn't at home, that's why no one could get hold of her....

And I think you are confusing group leadership with council leadership,, there is absolutely no connection between the two, they are two completely different jobs.

Group leader is just that, of the group of cons,, it don't really matter who is leader, there will always be in fighting, it's what the Tories do best.

So remove Atkinson as group leader,, she was leaving that anyway ,, Stribly takes on that, she has the most support at the moment. So no change, Atkinson is still leader of the council.

If,, and it is an if, if Atkinson is removed from the council, but understand that the liberals are supporting her and us most if the Tories,, if she is removed the liberals would have no option but to take control as the largest party ,, all the Tories lose their jobs,,, Jamison will explain this in simple tens to the idiot Tories that can't add up... And any Tories on here know who Jamison is and she thinks that Poole Tories , especially Judy butt are the worse ones in the UK for blue on blue attacks, this is why there are moved afoot at national level to bring order to the local party, removing Judy butt from it is very high on the list. As is, promoting Atkinson to a senior national position, to then perhaps sort out these little local difficulties ... Very interesting times...
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS?[/p][/quote]Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen.... Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...[/p][/quote]Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult. Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.[/p][/quote]What a joke !!!!!! She wasn't at home, that's why no one could get hold of her.... And I think you are confusing group leadership with council leadership,, there is absolutely no connection between the two, they are two completely different jobs. Group leader is just that, of the group of cons,, it don't really matter who is leader, there will always be in fighting, it's what the Tories do best. So remove Atkinson as group leader,, she was leaving that anyway ,, Stribly takes on that, she has the most support at the moment. So no change, Atkinson is still leader of the council. If,, and it is an if, if Atkinson is removed from the council, but understand that the liberals are supporting her and us most if the Tories,, if she is removed the liberals would have no option but to take control as the largest party ,, all the Tories lose their jobs,,, Jamison will explain this in simple tens to the idiot Tories that can't add up... And any Tories on here know who Jamison is and she thinks that Poole Tories , especially Judy butt are the worse ones in the UK for blue on blue attacks, this is why there are moved afoot at national level to bring order to the local party, removing Judy butt from it is very high on the list. As is, promoting Atkinson to a senior national position, to then perhaps sort out these little local difficulties ... Very interesting times... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -3

10:12pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mimi55 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
sap_user wrote:
Mad Karew wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe"
Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush.

The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole...

So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party...

Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...
One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs.
SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.
Who is SRS?
Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen....
Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...
Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult.
Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.
What a joke !!!!!!
She wasn't at home, that's why no one could get hold of her....

And I think you are confusing group leadership with council leadership,, there is absolutely no connection between the two, they are two completely different jobs.

Group leader is just that, of the group of cons,, it don't really matter who is leader, there will always be in fighting, it's what the Tories do best.

So remove Atkinson as group leader,, she was leaving that anyway ,, Stribly takes on that, she has the most support at the moment. So no change, Atkinson is still leader of the council.

If,, and it is an if, if Atkinson is removed from the council, but understand that the liberals are supporting her and us most if the Tories,, if she is removed the liberals would have no option but to take control as the largest party ,, all the Tories lose their jobs,,, Jamison will explain this in simple tens to the idiot Tories that can't add up... And any Tories on here know who Jamison is and she thinks that Poole Tories , especially Judy butt are the worse ones in the UK for blue on blue attacks, this is why there are moved afoot at national level to bring order to the local party, removing Judy butt from it is very high on the list. As is, promoting Atkinson to a senior national position, to then perhaps sort out these little local difficulties ... Very interesting times...
Well, we all know what floats to the top
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sap_user[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Morning peeps,,, morning Judy,,, sorry "Babe" Well it's do good to read all your misguided mush. The truth of the natter is this,, Poole will be worse of with a different council, no argument there,, Judy butt is finished in the Conservative party, no argument there,, Atkinson has in the last year turned down a few offers "considerably" better paid than in Poole much higher up in various posts,, so no real issues there,, despite the advise of those around get she in the past has turned down the big money to try to do the best for Poole... So the only real losers here are the people of Poole who will probably end up with many years of rubbish administration and of course Judy butt who will be kicked out if her party... Some people get on these personal vendetta and all they do is shoot themselves in the foot,, if politicians understood it's not about them but about what they can do then we would all be better off...[/p][/quote]One of the many things SRS has got wrong is that getting rid of Atkinson would NOT lose the administration for the Conservatives. They would just choose a new leader and carry on, and a new Leader may be enough to keep them in charge, especially if it results in regaining 1 or 2 of the disaffected cllrs. SRS obviously has a personal vendetta against Judy but this is the wrong place to persecute sorry prosecute it.[/p][/quote]Who is SRS?[/p][/quote]Sorry mad one,, you obviously have a problem with counting, if they remove Atkinson as leader of the council then the liberals have control, at the moment there is no overall control, the liberals supported Atkinson being leader, now you wouldn't expect Atkinson to vote for someone else to have her job so you therefor have a liberal majority, they take the leadership all the conservatives lose there posts and they become the opposition,, they a know this and they have been made aware of it,, a certain high ranking person the the party has told them all this is what will happen.... Use your fingers if you have to, but just do the maths, you will then see that I am right...[/p][/quote]Your making it up as you go along. Removing Atkinson as leader doesn't remove her from the group, so the numbers are not affected. In any case, the LDs have stated that they don't want the administration at present as too difficult. Re Judy; she was originally chosen as a candidate because of her campaign to get seat belts in school buses. It's true she didn't expect to win n she missed the count because she was at home looking after her 3 young children. Your quote of her response is fiction and she has been an exemplar cllr which is reflected in her personal vote in the ward.[/p][/quote]What a joke !!!!!! She wasn't at home, that's why no one could get hold of her.... And I think you are confusing group leadership with council leadership,, there is absolutely no connection between the two, they are two completely different jobs. Group leader is just that, of the group of cons,, it don't really matter who is leader, there will always be in fighting, it's what the Tories do best. So remove Atkinson as group leader,, she was leaving that anyway ,, Stribly takes on that, she has the most support at the moment. So no change, Atkinson is still leader of the council. If,, and it is an if, if Atkinson is removed from the council, but understand that the liberals are supporting her and us most if the Tories,, if she is removed the liberals would have no option but to take control as the largest party ,, all the Tories lose their jobs,,, Jamison will explain this in simple tens to the idiot Tories that can't add up... And any Tories on here know who Jamison is and she thinks that Poole Tories , especially Judy butt are the worse ones in the UK for blue on blue attacks, this is why there are moved afoot at national level to bring order to the local party, removing Judy butt from it is very high on the list. As is, promoting Atkinson to a senior national position, to then perhaps sort out these little local difficulties ... Very interesting times...[/p][/quote]Well, we all know what floats to the top mimi55
  • Score: -1

10:31pm Sun 13 Apr 14

mimi55 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen




t.uk/documents/impac




t-assessments/IA11-0




10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Well, I personally know 3 people who are going to vote UKIP at the next
General election, 1 - don't know how they voted last time, 2 - didn't vote at
all last time, 3 - voted Labour. Everybody I speak to is disgusted and disillusioned with all 3 main Parties, Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, they're
all 'political class'. The EU won the war when they gave huge cushy jobs to
the Kinnocks - hope for all washed up politicians hoping to join the gravy train. NO-ONE except UKIP has any intention of allowing us a referendum.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Well, I personally know 3 people who are going to vote UKIP at the next General election, 1 - don't know how they voted last time, 2 - didn't vote at all last time, 3 - voted Labour. Everybody I speak to is disgusted and disillusioned with all 3 main Parties, Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, they're all 'political class'. The EU won the war when they gave huge cushy jobs to the Kinnocks - hope for all washed up politicians hoping to join the gravy train. NO-ONE except UKIP has any intention of allowing us a referendum. mimi55
  • Score: 4

10:50pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

mimi55 wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen





t.uk/documents/impac





t-assessments/IA11-0





10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Well, I personally know 3 people who are going to vote UKIP at the next
General election, 1 - don't know how they voted last time, 2 - didn't vote at
all last time, 3 - voted Labour. Everybody I speak to is disgusted and disillusioned with all 3 main Parties, Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, they're
all 'political class'. The EU won the war when they gave huge cushy jobs to
the Kinnocks - hope for all washed up politicians hoping to join the gravy train. NO-ONE except UKIP has any intention of allowing us a referendum.
Actually no you are wrong,, the cons are the only party that have committed to holding a referendum,, Labour have now said they won't,, in national politics no other party matters because no other party has even a dream of winning,, we live in a two party state, (at national level) UKIP that no illusion of even coming third, Farage has said this,, they will get loads of votes but in the first past the post system they won't get anywhere, I actually doubt they will get on MP,, but even in their wildest dreams they would love to get 5,,, well that's no where near the 320 you need to win.
But they will split the Tory vote,, and let labour in,, why do you think Cameron is holding the referendum "after" the general election,, it's to try to hold support...
[quote][p][bold]mimi55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Well, I personally know 3 people who are going to vote UKIP at the next General election, 1 - don't know how they voted last time, 2 - didn't vote at all last time, 3 - voted Labour. Everybody I speak to is disgusted and disillusioned with all 3 main Parties, Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, they're all 'political class'. The EU won the war when they gave huge cushy jobs to the Kinnocks - hope for all washed up politicians hoping to join the gravy train. NO-ONE except UKIP has any intention of allowing us a referendum.[/p][/quote]Actually no you are wrong,, the cons are the only party that have committed to holding a referendum,, Labour have now said they won't,, in national politics no other party matters because no other party has even a dream of winning,, we live in a two party state, (at national level) UKIP that no illusion of even coming third, Farage has said this,, they will get loads of votes but in the first past the post system they won't get anywhere, I actually doubt they will get on MP,, but even in their wildest dreams they would love to get 5,,, well that's no where near the 320 you need to win. But they will split the Tory vote,, and let labour in,, why do you think Cameron is holding the referendum "after" the general election,, it's to try to hold support... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -3

10:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen




t.uk/documents/impac




t-assessments/IA11-0




10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense.
Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;)
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense. Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

10:57pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias...
Isn't that right "Babe"
Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.
How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps....
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.[/p][/quote]How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps.... Jo__Go
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen





t.uk/documents/impac





t-assessments/IA11-0





10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense.
Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;)
Naivety is an amusing quality...
You will learn... No need to reply, time will tell, as always in time things become clearer.
I actually secretly vote UKIP in euro elections,, but in national politics if is just a wasted vote,, and let's face the facts, if there is a referendum and we vote to get out,, then UKIP would disband as the job is done,, so what are you talking about 2020, for,, ???? Or would you then find a second policy.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense. Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;)[/p][/quote]Naivety is an amusing quality... You will learn... No need to reply, time will tell, as always in time things become clearer. I actually secretly vote UKIP in euro elections,, but in national politics if is just a wasted vote,, and let's face the facts, if there is a referendum and we vote to get out,, then UKIP would disband as the job is done,, so what are you talking about 2020, for,, ???? Or would you then find a second policy. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -3

11:16pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias...
Isn't that right "Babe"
Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.
How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps....
......."""BABE""""..
....
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.[/p][/quote]How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps....[/p][/quote]......."""BABE"""".. .... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -3

11:24pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen






t.uk/documents/impac






t-assessments/IA11-0






10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense.
Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;)
Naivety is an amusing quality...
You will learn... No need to reply, time will tell, as always in time things become clearer.
I actually secretly vote UKIP in euro elections,, but in national politics if is just a wasted vote,, and let's face the facts, if there is a referendum and we vote to get out,, then UKIP would disband as the job is done,, so what are you talking about 2020, for,, ???? Or would you then find a second policy.
You can find lots of UKIP policies and what we stand for by visiting www.ukip.org, not managed to find any LibDem ones on their website though.

No need to reply, as you are starting to embarrass yourself now.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Well doesn't this show what a clueless individual you really are, whatever made you think I was new to politics? obviously a LibDem then. First off after being a strong labour supporter for over 25 years I stopped when Blair turned the party into the old Tory party. UKIP comprises of 30% ex Tory, 30% ex Labour, so your idea they are just disgruntled Tories is far of the real truth. Left + Right = Common Sense. Now for a simple lesson in politics, in 2010 neither Labour nor the Conservatives could muster up a majority and then there were only three main parties, in 2015 there will be four, this means the likelihood of anyone gaining a majority is even less than 2010. Now with the polls showing LibDems at 7% and UKIP at 20% there is a very good chance that UKIP could be half of the next coalition. That I believe is the best thing that can happen not only for Britain but also UKIP, the best part of it would be that it would finally smash that Westminster Bubble that the current political elite hide in. Unless another party comes up in 2020 we will be back to three party politics because the LibDems who are neither liberal nor democratic will be finished and then British politics will certainly have been changed for the better. Do feel free to give me a shout on Twitter @Marty_Caine if you need any further lessons ;)[/p][/quote]Naivety is an amusing quality... You will learn... No need to reply, time will tell, as always in time things become clearer. I actually secretly vote UKIP in euro elections,, but in national politics if is just a wasted vote,, and let's face the facts, if there is a referendum and we vote to get out,, then UKIP would disband as the job is done,, so what are you talking about 2020, for,, ???? Or would you then find a second policy.[/p][/quote]You can find lots of UKIP policies and what we stand for by visiting www.ukip.org, not managed to find any LibDem ones on their website though. No need to reply, as you are starting to embarrass yourself now. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 4

11:40pm Sun 13 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

UKIP,,, it's always easy when you are the outside looking in,,, if ever you get on the inside you will realise it's all a bit more complicated and more difficult that you ever thought...
As I said being naive is an amusing quality, it's just sad that it gets crushed when you have to actually do something...
UKIP,,, it's always easy when you are the outside looking in,,, if ever you get on the inside you will realise it's all a bit more complicated and more difficult that you ever thought... As I said being naive is an amusing quality, it's just sad that it gets crushed when you have to actually do something... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -9

8:25am Mon 14 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias...
Isn't that right "Babe"
Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.
How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps....
......."""BABE""""..

....
Oh my word, PooperScooper thinks I'm Judy Butt!!!!
That's the funniest thing I've EVER seen on these boards :)

Just shows how smart and insightful he really is ... not

Oh Heavens, haven't laughed so much since I last watched The Krankies...
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: And peeps,, Judy Butt is one of the people on here using a alias... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]Maybe if you didn't hide behind an alias she could answer that direct to you, but that is never going to happen is it.[/p][/quote]How bizarre that my last post on this was removed. Too close to the truth??? PooperScooper IS Eades? Perhaps....[/p][/quote]......."""BABE"""".. ....[/p][/quote]Oh my word, PooperScooper thinks I'm Judy Butt!!!! That's the funniest thing I've EVER seen on these boards :) Just shows how smart and insightful he really is ... not Oh Heavens, haven't laughed so much since I last watched The Krankies... Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

5:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Watching the krankies shows your mentality.
Watching the krankies shows your mentality. pete woodley
  • Score: -5

5:23pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

pete woodley wrote:
Watching the krankies shows your mentality.
You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Watching the krankies shows your mentality.[/p][/quote]You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't. Jo__Go
  • Score: 5

7:15pm Mon 14 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Jo__Go wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Watching the krankies shows your mentality.
You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't.
You like to give it out, but cant take it yourself,You are not worth replying to,so juvenile.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Watching the krankies shows your mentality.[/p][/quote]You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't.[/p][/quote]You like to give it out, but cant take it yourself,You are not worth replying to,so juvenile. pete woodley
  • Score: -8

10:12pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Jo__Go says...

pete woodley wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Watching the krankies shows your mentality.
You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't.
You like to give it out, but cant take it yourself,You are not worth replying to,so juvenile.
I think you're confusing me with someone else...
but I like the idea of you not replying, so please don't.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Watching the krankies shows your mentality.[/p][/quote]You're a nasty piece of work, aren't you? You seem to think that being old gives you a licence to trot out vicious little barbs - it doesn't.[/p][/quote]You like to give it out, but cant take it yourself,You are not worth replying to,so juvenile.[/p][/quote]I think you're confusing me with someone else... but I like the idea of you not replying, so please don't. Jo__Go
  • Score: 0

12:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

guisselle says...

Full marks for a character assassination from all sides. Hope that handbags
can withstand the vitriol as Nancy Sinatra sang "These boots were made for
walking" .
Full marks for a character assassination from all sides. Hope that handbags can withstand the vitriol as Nancy Sinatra sang "These boots were made for walking" . guisselle
  • Score: 1

7:50am Tue 15 Apr 14

adspacebroker says...

Atkinson is a very insecure person who has hidden behind politics and ultimately her post. She has absolutely no idea nad like many other councillors in local government who have no idea she continues to draw taxpayers money out of her bank every month. On yer bike Atkinson you are a waste of space.
Atkinson is a very insecure person who has hidden behind politics and ultimately her post. She has absolutely no idea nad like many other councillors in local government who have no idea she continues to draw taxpayers money out of her bank every month. On yer bike Atkinson you are a waste of space. adspacebroker
  • Score: 4

8:08am Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -1

8:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Atkinson is a very insecure person who has hidden behind politics and ultimately her post. She has absolutely no idea nad like many other councillors in local government who have no idea she continues to draw taxpayers money out of her bank every month. On yer bike Atkinson you are a waste of space.
And,, we get the council we vote for,, that's democracy,, do the majority (just) in this town voted for her to lead it,, so it's no good moaning about it,, use your vote, but think about that vote, vote for someone, not against someone...
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Atkinson is a very insecure person who has hidden behind politics and ultimately her post. She has absolutely no idea nad like many other councillors in local government who have no idea she continues to draw taxpayers money out of her bank every month. On yer bike Atkinson you are a waste of space.[/p][/quote]And,, we get the council we vote for,, that's democracy,, do the majority (just) in this town voted for her to lead it,, so it's no good moaning about it,, use your vote, but think about that vote, vote for someone, not against someone... SuperSnooper
  • Score: 1

8:33am Tue 15 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
You can talk about slagging people off! You win the prize for that.
........
The vitriol you express for Judy Butt must mean she knocked you back really hard some time. It isn't normal to continually write such nasty comments about someone. There's definitely something causing you to say what you do and it's got nothing to do with politics. It's totally personal.
......
Only the lowest of the low uses someone health, real or not, as a weapon as you have. Fortunately those posts were rightly removed.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.[/p][/quote]You can talk about slagging people off! You win the prize for that. ........ The vitriol you express for Judy Butt must mean she knocked you back really hard some time. It isn't normal to continually write such nasty comments about someone. There's definitely something causing you to say what you do and it's got nothing to do with politics. It's totally personal. ...... Only the lowest of the low uses someone health, real or not, as a weapon as you have. Fortunately those posts were rightly removed. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

10:08am Tue 15 Apr 14

boblister says...

Baysider wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if the various councillors and those connected to them actually used their real names on here rather than hiding behind the anonymity afforded by the internet to air their dirty washing and petty personal grievances.

As elected members you should be ashamed and look to the example of Cllr Trent.
Baysider should then reregister using their full name, otherwise how can you critize others, no matter how much common sense you make
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if the various councillors and those connected to them actually used their real names on here rather than hiding behind the anonymity afforded by the internet to air their dirty washing and petty personal grievances. As elected members you should be ashamed and look to the example of Cllr Trent.[/p][/quote]Baysider should then reregister using their full name, otherwise how can you critize others, no matter how much common sense you make boblister
  • Score: 1

11:01am Tue 15 Apr 14

boblister says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.
Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly!

However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.
Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it.

http://www.parliamen




t.uk/documents/impac




t-assessments/IA11-0




10AS.pdf
Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council.
If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions.
However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout.

And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate.

So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned.

And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"
You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.
Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit.
UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones.
UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government.

It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it...
This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost...
So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists....
However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.
Super Snooper is not very well informed, he or she has not done their homework.
Most of the National and Poole's new UKIP members are not only from the Conservatives, Liberal and many from Labour. But... a large number are from non and new voters who could not be bothered to vote for the previous 3 main parties. UKIP have energised them with their common sense and yes there is a UKIP Manifesto which among many things wants to make local government more democratic, no whips etc.http://www.myuki
p.com/3/post/2014/03
/ukip-local-manifest
o-2014.html
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: The very fact that those who do want a vote of no confidence wish to remain anonymous clearly shows the tyrannical way in which Cllr Atkinson performs her duties as Council leader. Remove her and get rid of the ludicrous cabinet system and you might actually see democratic thinking in council decision making.[/p][/quote]Until national Government repeals or amends the Local Government Act 2000 we are stuck with this system of Local Council Cabinet control - sadly! However this latest development at Poole may have far more to do with powerful Conservative 'people in grey suits' than the direct actions of any local Councillor - it would also explain why this likely imminent departure is from only local Party leadership.[/p][/quote]Not quite true MM, the localism act 2011 has been used in three councils that I know of to deestablish the cabinet system, a good read of this will show you exactly what the Localism Act can achieve, providing existing councillors chose to act on it. http://www.parliamen t.uk/documents/impac t-assessments/IA11-0 10AS.pdf[/p][/quote]Come on UKIP keep up,, first you can have a vote of no confidence and remain anonymous, you have to have someone to propose the motion and someone to second it, this can't be anonymous.. So if there is to me such a move then it wouldn't be anonymous, this is JUST to challenge her for the conservative group leadership, this has absolutely nothing to do with being leader of the council. If,, and I mean if, someone wants to challenge that then if would mean ALL the conservative would lose there jobs, there is no doubt in that and they have been made aware if it. The liberals would then have a majority and take over all the cabinet positions. However, the liberals don't want to lose her as leader, if you read this story in the echo above then that has been made. very clear. It's very possible, or probable that the liberals will keep her on as leader until the next election, that could be very interesting, She may then choose to sack a few back stabers and put liberals in their place, again a very interesting turnout. And, with regard to the whole cabinet system, Atkinson has publicly supported ditching the cabinet system and going back to the commitee system and she feels this would be more representative of the electorate. So UKIP if you are going to comment then keep up and be better informned. And Judy Butt knows who I am on here, as I know who she is... Isn't that right "Babe"[/p][/quote]You don't have to call me UKIP, the name is Marty, I am not some coward who hides behind an anonymous name just so he can continuously verbally abuse people like Judy Butt whilst making delusional comments about how well the LibDems will do in 2015, I think Clegg made sure of their demise by stupidly going up against Farage in live debates and the idea of Mayor Phil Eades standing as an MP is just plain amusing, it certainly goes a long way to show people just how clueless and out of touch the LibDems have become these days.[/p][/quote]Well UKIP,, your obviously very new to politics,, in around 20 years you may get the hang of it,, understand it, and then probably hate it a bit. UKIP speak a lot of sense however they are not true to what they say,, let me explain to the delusional ones. UKIP will do very well (for them) at the euros and at the general,, however what this will achieve is locally you will put the Liberals in control of the council, and nationally you will put labour in government. It's like this,, people who vote UKIP are in the main ex Tory voters, so in a close run seat, the liberal vote will say almost the same, the labour vote will stay almost the same, the conservative vote will probably go down 10 to 20%,, now in many seats this splitting of the Tory vote will be enough to allow the liberal of labour candidate in,, so locally the liberals will win it with ease,, nationally Labour could well win it... This then is a problem for UKIP, because only the Tories have said they will have a euro in/out referendum, but if labour are in that is lost... So,,, if UKIP were true to their beliefs then they would actually support the Tories to win the general election, and then set up a major campaign for a get out vote on Europe,, you would then achieve what you say is the only thing you want anyway and the only reason your party exists.... However, as always people get a taste of this power thing and being in the limelight so to hell with following the best route to get out of Europe lets just cling on to as much power as we can.... Very sad really and such a waste.[/p][/quote]Super Snooper is not very well informed, he or she has not done their homework. Most of the National and Poole's new UKIP members are not only from the Conservatives, Liberal and many from Labour. But... a large number are from non and new voters who could not be bothered to vote for the previous 3 main parties. UKIP have energised them with their common sense and yes there is a UKIP Manifesto which among many things wants to make local government more democratic, no whips etc.http://www.myuki p.com/3/post/2014/03 /ukip-local-manifest o-2014.html boblister
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11:26am Tue 15 Apr 14

boblister says...

ADST_2008 wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
ADST_2008 wrote:
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.
If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority.
The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise.
She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.
Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ?
Super Snooper is i believe an ex disaffected Tory Councillor, that many of you will never remember as he was in the Conservatives for a very little time, Stephen Rollo- Smith.
But some one else is briefing him, be warned the truth will come out.
[quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.[/p][/quote]If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority. The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise. She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.[/p][/quote]Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ?[/p][/quote]Super Snooper is i believe an ex disaffected Tory Councillor, that many of you will never remember as he was in the Conservatives for a very little time, Stephen Rollo- Smith. But some one else is briefing him, be warned the truth will come out. boblister
  • Score: 0

11:43am Tue 15 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Feel better Bob 3 letters in a row,all of them uninteresting,and unfounded allegations.How long have you been here,what have you done.
Feel better Bob 3 letters in a row,all of them uninteresting,and unfounded allegations.How long have you been here,what have you done. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

11:59am Tue 15 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :)
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.[/p][/quote]Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

12:18pm Tue 15 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :)
Yes I suspect you are getting new members, but it's still a very low number, gone are the days where every other person was a member of a political party,, you can rant,brag and spin as much as you like, but the truth is in the grand scheme of things, you have an insignificant number of members, well behind the mainstream parties who have very few members these days, it's just the way it is,, people en mass are just not interested these days.
Everyone likes a moan but very few put their hand in their pocket and pay out to join a party.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.[/p][/quote]Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :)[/p][/quote]Yes I suspect you are getting new members, but it's still a very low number, gone are the days where every other person was a member of a political party,, you can rant,brag and spin as much as you like, but the truth is in the grand scheme of things, you have an insignificant number of members, well behind the mainstream parties who have very few members these days, it's just the way it is,, people en mass are just not interested these days. Everyone likes a moan but very few put their hand in their pocket and pay out to join a party. SuperSnooper
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe... SuperSnooper
  • Score: -1

12:49pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :)
And, I don't think, I know that people can't be bothered to stand as councillors, the main parties struggle like hell to get any candidates, let alone good ones... Let's me honest, why would anyone want to ?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.[/p][/quote]Whatever makes you think that people can't be bothered to stand for council ?and if you think being a member of a political party is so out of fashion, why is it that UKIP membership has tripled in the past 18 months? Soon to be overtaking the libdems in membership numbers :)[/p][/quote]And, I don't think, I know that people can't be bothered to stand as councillors, the main parties struggle like hell to get any candidates, let alone good ones... Let's me honest, why would anyone want to ? SuperSnooper
  • Score: -2

12:54pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

boblister wrote:
ADST_2008 wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
ADST_2008 wrote:
She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group.

“I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.”

I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.
If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority.
The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise.
She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.
Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ?
Super Snooper is i believe an ex disaffected Tory Councillor, that many of you will never remember as he was in the Conservatives for a very little time, Stephen Rollo- Smith.
But some one else is briefing him, be warned the truth will come out.
Yes,, your right !!!
I don't remember who Rollo-smith was either,, can't be bothered to google him.
Your warning that the truth will come out is really frightening, oh, hang on, the truth is already out,, read everything I write,, truth truth truth,, and the people in the know,, know it... The test are just spectators with ill informned opinions.
So go back to bed boblister you are boring me.
[quote][p][bold]boblister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ADST_2008[/bold] wrote: She added: “I was elected leader of the council for four years by the council, not by the group. “I am not proposing to relinquish that. There is too much work to do.” I just hope all the other Tory councillor's have taken note to the above statement, giving little thought to the whole group.[/p][/quote]If you understood what you were talking about you would understand that if she was not leader the whole of the Tories would lose there jobs as the liberals would then have majority. The council WANT her to stay,, it's just Judy Butt and two sheep that are saying otherwise. She was voted leader by the whole council, all parties, not just the Tories.[/p][/quote]Which bit of the Council are you in SuperSnooper ?[/p][/quote]Super Snooper is i believe an ex disaffected Tory Councillor, that many of you will never remember as he was in the Conservatives for a very little time, Stephen Rollo- Smith. But some one else is briefing him, be warned the truth will come out.[/p][/quote]Yes,, your right !!! I don't remember who Rollo-smith was either,, can't be bothered to google him. Your warning that the truth will come out is really frightening, oh, hang on, the truth is already out,, read everything I write,, truth truth truth,, and the people in the know,, know it... The test are just spectators with ill informned opinions. So go back to bed boblister you are boring me. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -2

1:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
Over the years politics for the voting public has been deliberately dumbed down by the political elite, this is because they know it is far easier to please a minority of the electorate than it is to convince a majority. However people are now waking up to this con and are realising that their vote can make a difference. SS says UKIP are far behind the other three, well as usual he is wrong because UKIP are now less than 6,000 behind LibDem membership figures and we are gaining members faster than any other party. This is why the political is running scared and they have every reason to be, they know that in the EU parliament UKIP MEPs have told the British public the truth about what goes on there. This happens to be the last thing they want to happen in the British parliament. If people really do want change they have to vote for the only party that is offering that, Nationally, European and Locally
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]Over the years politics for the voting public has been deliberately dumbed down by the political elite, this is because they know it is far easier to please a minority of the electorate than it is to convince a majority. However people are now waking up to this con and are realising that their vote can make a difference. SS says UKIP are far behind the other three, well as usual he is wrong because UKIP are now less than 6,000 behind LibDem membership figures and we are gaining members faster than any other party. This is why the political is running scared and they have every reason to be, they know that in the EU parliament UKIP MEPs have told the British public the truth about what goes on there. This happens to be the last thing they want to happen in the British parliament. If people really do want change they have to vote for the only party that is offering that, Nationally, European and Locally Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

1:06pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams...
Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.[/p][/quote]If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams... Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch. SuperSnooper
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Tue 15 Apr 14

sap_user says...

SrS seems to be in the know,,,who can he be?
SrS seems to be in the know,,,who can he be? sap_user
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams...
Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.
And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.[/p][/quote]If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams... Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.[/p][/quote]And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

2:34pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams...
Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.
And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)
Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though.
And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.[/p][/quote]If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams... Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.[/p][/quote]And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)[/p][/quote]Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though. And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope. SuperSnooper
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams...
Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.
And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)
Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though.
And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope.
I'm no amature Phil, I actaully make my own political predictions on what the bookies say more so than on the polls, obviously you have not met David Young yet but considering what Sym's has done for Poole of late I really don't rate his chances much, just look at the Transit site fiasco, he was busy trying to get the law changed so that Bournemouth could also utilise it rather than changing the law so we didn't need one. Not the brightest move was it. And then we have the voting for higher VAT rate and higher tax on alcohol, lets really be honest it really doesn't look that safe does it :)
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.[/p][/quote]If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams... Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.[/p][/quote]And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)[/p][/quote]Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though. And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope.[/p][/quote]I'm no amature Phil, I actaully make my own political predictions on what the bookies say more so than on the polls, obviously you have not met David Young yet but considering what Sym's has done for Poole of late I really don't rate his chances much, just look at the Transit site fiasco, he was busy trying to get the law changed so that Bournemouth could also utilise it rather than changing the law so we didn't need one. Not the brightest move was it. And then we have the voting for higher VAT rate and higher tax on alcohol, lets really be honest it really doesn't look that safe does it :) Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

3:44pm Tue 15 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

As i said before ss makes some good points,i dont think eades is capable of.I cant remember many big headed politicians in Pooles history,but eades is top.but Marty you could be right .
As i said before ss makes some good points,i dont think eades is capable of.I cant remember many big headed politicians in Pooles history,but eades is top.but Marty you could be right . pete woodley
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Tue 15 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats...
Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,
Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats... Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,, SuperSnooper
  • Score: 0

10:11am Wed 16 Apr 14

MattGillett says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.
I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...
This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.
If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams...
Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.
And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)
Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though.
And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope.
I'm no amature Phil, I actaully make my own political predictions on what the bookies say more so than on the polls, obviously you have not met David Young yet but considering what Sym's has done for Poole of late I really don't rate his chances much, just look at the Transit site fiasco, he was busy trying to get the law changed so that Bournemouth could also utilise it rather than changing the law so we didn't need one. Not the brightest move was it. And then we have the voting for higher VAT rate and higher tax on alcohol, lets really be honest it really doesn't look that safe does it :)
But the odds say there is only a 75% chance that UKIP win one or more seats in the whole house. And the most likely scenario for them winning a seat is on the back of a defection. There is at least a 90% chance of Poole returning a Tory.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Marty,where are the new members coming from,i thought they would be mainly disillusioned tories,with a few libs and labs.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are 100% correct,, hence my argument that a vote for UKIP, nationally, is a vote for a labour government, that is a fact which makes a complete mockery of their claim that they only want the best for Britain and that means getting out of Europe,, the Labour Party have said they will not hold a referendum on that, so ironically a vote for UKIP is a vote to remain in Europe...[/p][/quote]This only shows how clueless you are about politics then, Labour couldn't gain a majority in 2010 with only three in the running, they have even less chance now that there are four but we all know those nasty libdems do not mind who they get into bed with to get a piece of the power, if you don't want a Labour/LibDem coalition I suggest you ensure UKIP come third. That is a real fact for you.[/p][/quote]If you honestly think you are going to be even half way in the running at the general election then you are very misguided or naive,, a new party with no MP's is suddenly going to form a coalition ?? Please, don't make me laugh,, if I actually believed that then I may even go and deliver a few leaflets for you,, however, I have been in this game for far too long to be sucked into these dreams... Let me predict your future,, (as a displaced gipsy looking for a new home I will gaze into my crystal ball),, you will do OK in the euro elections,, this will build you up for a massive fall in the general elections,, I predict you will be lucky to get 2 or 3 MP's, which for a new party is outstanding, however in the grands scheme of things, it's insignificant,, don't kid your self, and don't take it to heart, the public are a fickle bunch.[/p][/quote]And that fickle bunch do want change, they are fed up of listening to people like you telling them how wrong they are and guess what, UKIP happens to be the only party offering that change. Just look at Sundays polls UKIP 20% LIbDem 7% so I am not the one kidding myself here, everytime Nick Clegg opens his mouth he falls in it and gains UKIP even greater support and putting Phil Eades forward as MP only goes to show they are just as clueless around here, no wonder Annette Brookes is throwing the towel in. If I were you I would use the Gypsy (spelt correctly) Crystal Ball of yours as paper weight or better still a doorstop for on your way out. ;)[/p][/quote]Let's be honest though, Poole will retain it's Tory MP, however good you think you may do,, I I remember correctly Poole is around the 16th safest seat for the Tories in the whole country, so your efforts are best placed elsewhere, North Poole is an interesting one though. And try not to pay attention to these opinion polls, it does show what an amateur you are. They only lead you into a false sense of hope.[/p][/quote]I'm no amature Phil, I actaully make my own political predictions on what the bookies say more so than on the polls, obviously you have not met David Young yet but considering what Sym's has done for Poole of late I really don't rate his chances much, just look at the Transit site fiasco, he was busy trying to get the law changed so that Bournemouth could also utilise it rather than changing the law so we didn't need one. Not the brightest move was it. And then we have the voting for higher VAT rate and higher tax on alcohol, lets really be honest it really doesn't look that safe does it :)[/p][/quote]But the odds say there is only a 75% chance that UKIP win one or more seats in the whole house. And the most likely scenario for them winning a seat is on the back of a defection. There is at least a 90% chance of Poole returning a Tory. MattGillett
  • Score: 0

10:24am Wed 16 Apr 14

Major Futtock says...

Dear Mr Pooper Scooper er sorry SooperSnooper.
I am sure that your libellous comments regarding Cllr Butt are not welcome by the majority of contributors here.
Accusing her of being bi-polar is most strange as I would certainly question your comments.
Pity you didn't stay in Thailand really. Certainly no loss to Poole Council.
Dear Mr Pooper Scooper er sorry SooperSnooper. I am sure that your libellous comments regarding Cllr Butt are not welcome by the majority of contributors here. Accusing her of being bi-polar is most strange as I would certainly question your comments. Pity you didn't stay in Thailand really. Certainly no loss to Poole Council. Major Futtock
  • Score: 3

10:55am Wed 16 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Major Futtock wrote:
Dear Mr Pooper Scooper er sorry SooperSnooper.
I am sure that your libellous comments regarding Cllr Butt are not welcome by the majority of contributors here.
Accusing her of being bi-polar is most strange as I would certainly question your comments.
Pity you didn't stay in Thailand really. Certainly no loss to Poole Council.
How misguided you are..
[quote][p][bold]Major Futtock[/bold] wrote: Dear Mr Pooper Scooper er sorry SooperSnooper. I am sure that your libellous comments regarding Cllr Butt are not welcome by the majority of contributors here. Accusing her of being bi-polar is most strange as I would certainly question your comments. Pity you didn't stay in Thailand really. Certainly no loss to Poole Council.[/p][/quote]How misguided you are.. pete woodley
  • Score: -3

2:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

kangaroo_joey says...

As someone that has not previously voted I along with many other people I know who are first time voters will be voting UKIP so its not only disgruntled ex conservatives defecting
As someone that has not previously voted I along with many other people I know who are first time voters will be voting UKIP so its not only disgruntled ex conservatives defecting kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats...
Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,
I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats... Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,[/p][/quote]I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Wed 16 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats...
Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,
I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015.
Yawwwwwnnnnnn......

As I said you are showing your naiveaty,,
You will learn as you get more experience in politics and mature somewhat.

The Trouble UKIP has is it actually has a good message but it is being delivered by people that are either a bit strange, or the good ones are just a bit green behind the ears,, with some professional polititions you would actually do very well,,, unfortunately professional polititions see that you are a short term wonder.
Its a shame really but the reality is Britain is a two party state, there is absolutely no sign of that ever changing
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats... Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,[/p][/quote]I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwwnnnnnn...... As I said you are showing your naiveaty,, You will learn as you get more experience in politics and mature somewhat. The Trouble UKIP has is it actually has a good message but it is being delivered by people that are either a bit strange, or the good ones are just a bit green behind the ears,, with some professional polititions you would actually do very well,,, unfortunately professional polititions see that you are a short term wonder. Its a shame really but the reality is Britain is a two party state, there is absolutely no sign of that ever changing SuperSnooper
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8:38pm Wed 16 Apr 14

SuperSnooper says...

Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast.

Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break..

I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread.

Night night all...
Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast. Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break.. I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread. Night night all... SuperSnooper
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4:08am Thu 17 Apr 14

guisselle says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort.
Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job.
Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.
Its a hard job but someone has to do it.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Trouble is,, there is no one else to do it,,, if people can't be bothered to stand as councillors and do all the work for the very poor pay,, then they shouldn't complain,, it's easy to slag off people's efforts but at least they put in the effort. Anyone can stand as a councillor either indepedant or for a party, and all political parties would love to have more people who want to do the job. Being a member of a political party is do out of fashion these days, and this is causing a problem with finding people to run the town and the country.[/p][/quote]Its a hard job but someone has to do it. guisselle
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4:19am Thu 17 Apr 14

guisselle says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast.

Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break..

I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread.

Night night all...
Good night to all lets see what unfolds next at the Mysterious Civic Centre.
Language was invented so we could exchange opinions and its quite
entertaining at times. You have to be tough these days to be a politician
that's for sure!
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast. Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break.. I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread. Night night all...[/p][/quote]Good night to all lets see what unfolds next at the Mysterious Civic Centre. Language was invented so we could exchange opinions and its quite entertaining at times. You have to be tough these days to be a politician that's for sure! guisselle
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10:17am Thu 17 Apr 14

Carolyn43 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast.

Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break..

I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread.

Night night all...
Vitriolic personal attacks and insults is banter? What a very strange person.
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Anyway,, this thread is old news now, time to move on,, thank you for the entertainment,, it's been a blast. Please don't take anything on here to heart, it's just words, banter, debate and a bit of fun,,, if you take all this too seriously then you need to take a break.. I look forward to catching up with you all on the next good thread. Night night all...[/p][/quote]Vitriolic personal attacks and insults is banter? What a very strange person. Carolyn43
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4:57pm Sun 20 Apr 14

mimi55 says...

SuperSnooper wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
SuperSnooper wrote:
Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats...
Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,
I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015.
Yawwwwwnnnnnn......

As I said you are showing your naiveaty,,
You will learn as you get more experience in politics and mature somewhat.

The Trouble UKIP has is it actually has a good message but it is being delivered by people that are either a bit strange, or the good ones are just a bit green behind the ears,, with some professional polititions you would actually do very well,,, unfortunately professional polititions see that you are a short term wonder.
Its a shame really but the reality is Britain is a two party state, there is absolutely no sign of that ever changing
UKIP are a bit strange! Take it you did not see the Libdem spokesman
after the last Clegg/Farage debate, claiming Clegg had 'won' easily! We are
now in the days of mega information, and more and more people are becoming aware of how useless and self-serving our 'professional
politicians' are. Haven't voted for some time, due to having already realised
this, but am voting UKIP next time
[quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SuperSnooper[/bold] wrote: Again UKIP,, you really need to wise up,, if they put a chimpanzee to stand in Poole for the Tories, it would win, that's just how it is, if the lost Poole the party would be down to less than 15 MP's in the house, you don't really think that is going to happen do you ? Get real and stop believing your own hype, if political parties got their act together and just targeted winnable seats, then they would do far better, but of course they won't because it makes them look like they have given up on the other seats... Are you old enough to remember John Ward ? You were lucky if he turned up a couple of times a year in the house, but he always got voted back in for Poole,,[/p][/quote]I am not the one who needs to wisen up, you do. Take a proper look at the political landscape of this country today, it is actually a lot different to John Ward's day and yes I was around then. Your own party the LieDims are virtually finished and unfortunately for them there is no one they can team up with this time round. I think that you and a lot of others have a real big shock coming in 2015.[/p][/quote]Yawwwwwnnnnnn...... As I said you are showing your naiveaty,, You will learn as you get more experience in politics and mature somewhat. The Trouble UKIP has is it actually has a good message but it is being delivered by people that are either a bit strange, or the good ones are just a bit green behind the ears,, with some professional polititions you would actually do very well,,, unfortunately professional polititions see that you are a short term wonder. Its a shame really but the reality is Britain is a two party state, there is absolutely no sign of that ever changing[/p][/quote]UKIP are a bit strange! Take it you did not see the Libdem spokesman after the last Clegg/Farage debate, claiming Clegg had 'won' easily! We are now in the days of mega information, and more and more people are becoming aware of how useless and self-serving our 'professional politicians' are. Haven't voted for some time, due to having already realised this, but am voting UKIP next time mimi55
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3:58am Thu 1 May 14

ADST_2008 says...

So htere was a second leadership secret group challenge to EA.s poor performance was there?, thanks Super Pooper!
So htere was a second leadership secret group challenge to EA.s poor performance was there?, thanks Super Pooper! ADST_2008
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