Calls made for more 30mph signs on busy Christchurch road after crash

Bournemouth Echo: COLLISION:  Emergency services at the scene of a crash at Barrack Road in Christchurch COLLISION: Emergency services at the scene of a crash at Barrack Road in Christchurch

CALLS for more signs to remind drivers of the speed limit on a busy Christchurch road have been made following a recent crash.

A three-car collision in Barrack Road on Saturday saw an elderly lady cut free from her car after the crash outside Cheriton Dental Practice, opposite the Shell garage.

Thankfully the woman’s injuries were not serious, but one lane was closed while the vehicles were recovered from the scene, causing delays and tailbacks.

In the last five years, there have been seven serious crashes and around 24 slight injury collisions on the stretch between Bailey Drive roundabout and the Fountain roundabout.

Although the reason for the recent crash is not known, Christchurch resident Roger Burton said he would like to see more speed limit signs on the road in a bid to reduce the number of cars exceeding the 30mph limit.

He said: “Everyone thinks it’s 40mph along that road – but it’s not. I’ve been talking to Dorset Police and the road safety partnership about the issue to try and persuade them to take some action.

“It needs to be made clearer to drivers. It’s a busy road and surely it’s better to have signage – it could reduce the number of accidents.”

He suggested putting one of the speed checker devices on the road to try and warn people to watch their speed.

Cllr Nick Geary, lead member for transport at Christchurch council said it was an issue he agreed needed looking at.

He promised to speak to Christchurch council’s head of property and engineering, Lindsay Cass, about the issue.

A spokesman for Dorset County Council said: “30mph speed limits within street lit areas do not require repeater signs.

“The regulations state that roads with street lighting are automatically 30mph unless an order has been made to change it.”

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12:49pm Wed 26 Mar 14

EGHH says...

Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town?
Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town? EGHH
  • Score: 13

1:02pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers!
I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers! Footnerc
  • Score: -12

1:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

A lot of it is down to certain drivers poor attitude to other users ,or just their total disregard for the law , i drive barrack road 4 times a day or more & on the stretch between the mazda garage & the traffic lights at stour road i get overtaken,undertaken tailgaited for sticking to the 30 mph limit , ok there are no signs ,but i took my test many years ago & even i can remember the street light 30 mph bit....
A lot of it is down to certain drivers poor attitude to other users ,or just their total disregard for the law , i drive barrack road 4 times a day or more & on the stretch between the mazda garage & the traffic lights at stour road i get overtaken,undertaken tailgaited for sticking to the 30 mph limit , ok there are no signs ,but i took my test many years ago & even i can remember the street light 30 mph bit.... Lucky Rich
  • Score: 17

1:58pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mytown1 says...

Nothing to do with speeding, aggressive drivers then. A lower speed limit is needed to get more traffic through the town, people can then feed in easier but nobody ever understands this. Nick Geary can say what he likes but DCC are responsible for the roads in Christchurch now. The council having lost the right to say what happens around the local streets. Another thank you to the council for giving yet more away over what happens in OUR town!
Nothing to do with speeding, aggressive drivers then. A lower speed limit is needed to get more traffic through the town, people can then feed in easier but nobody ever understands this. Nick Geary can say what he likes but DCC are responsible for the roads in Christchurch now. The council having lost the right to say what happens around the local streets. Another thank you to the council for giving yet more away over what happens in OUR town! mytown1
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rayc says...

EGHH wrote:
Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town?
Rospa say "Inexperience; More than 400 people are killed in crashes involving young car drivers aged 17 to 24 years, every year, including over 150 young drivers, 90 passengers and more than 170 other road users" and "At-work; Around one third of fatal and serious road crashes involve someone who was at work."
Perhaps it would be best to target those drivers first if KSI reduction is the aim.
Rospa also say "Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world." There is no room for complacency but deaths on the UK roads have fallen two thirds since the mid 80's
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town?[/p][/quote]Rospa say "Inexperience; More than 400 people are killed in crashes involving young car drivers aged 17 to 24 years, every year, including over 150 young drivers, 90 passengers and more than 170 other road users" and "At-work; Around one third of fatal and serious road crashes involve someone who was at work." Perhaps it would be best to target those drivers first if KSI reduction is the aim. Rospa also say "Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world." There is no room for complacency but deaths on the UK roads have fallen two thirds since the mid 80's rayc
  • Score: 6

2:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

skydriver says...

Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot.
Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot. skydriver
  • Score: 6

2:55pm Wed 26 Mar 14

crazybird says...

Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard. crazybird
  • Score: -5

3:29pm Wed 26 Mar 14

WOC says...

And there is a picture of Cllr Geary on BRIDGE STREET why? Oh Daily Echo you are rubbish.
And there is a picture of Cllr Geary on BRIDGE STREET why? Oh Daily Echo you are rubbish. WOC
  • Score: 4

3:32pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

crazybird wrote:
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
Because it's a vote loser for any party or council that tries it.

I'd not only take away their driving licence at 70 but would also ban bus passes, winter fuel allowance and free prescriptions and tv licences for any pensioners with 5k (or more) in savings.
[quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.[/p][/quote]Because it's a vote loser for any party or council that tries it. I'd not only take away their driving licence at 70 but would also ban bus passes, winter fuel allowance and free prescriptions and tv licences for any pensioners with 5k (or more) in savings. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -8

3:33pm Wed 26 Mar 14

skydriver says...

crazybird wrote:
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
Your title is quite right. It's the young who cause more accidents than the older generation , due to lack of patients and think they can drive, when often they can't .when you grow up then comment on the facts until that time arrives keep stumm
[quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.[/p][/quote]Your title is quite right. It's the young who cause more accidents than the older generation , due to lack of patients and think they can drive, when often they can't .when you grow up then comment on the facts until that time arrives keep stumm skydriver
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rayc says...

crazybird wrote:
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
It's all been done. Statistically they are not involved in anywhere near the number of KSI incidents as inexperienced drivers, drink drivers and drivers who driving as part of their work. They also do not make up a sizable proportion of drink drivers. The people who really know the statistics and have a monetary interest to protect are insurance companies. They consider older drivers to be a good risk.
You may perceive them as a risk but after an afternoon spent at West Bay I would nominate male middle aged high power motorcycle riders. I may be completely wrong about that statistically and that is the problem with risk and road safety. Many people have pre-conceived points of view based on their limited experiences but the statistics do not back it up.
[quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.[/p][/quote]It's all been done. Statistically they are not involved in anywhere near the number of KSI incidents as inexperienced drivers, drink drivers and drivers who driving as part of their work. They also do not make up a sizable proportion of drink drivers. The people who really know the statistics and have a monetary interest to protect are insurance companies. They consider older drivers to be a good risk. You may perceive them as a risk but after an afternoon spent at West Bay I would nominate male middle aged high power motorcycle riders. I may be completely wrong about that statistically and that is the problem with risk and road safety. Many people have pre-conceived points of view based on their limited experiences but the statistics do not back it up. rayc
  • Score: 7

3:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

skydriver says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
crazybird wrote:
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
Because it's a vote loser for any party or council that tries it.

I'd not only take away their driving licence at 70 but would also ban bus passes, winter fuel allowance and free prescriptions and tv licences for any pensioners with 5k (or more) in savings.
Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.[/p][/quote]Because it's a vote loser for any party or council that tries it. I'd not only take away their driving licence at 70 but would also ban bus passes, winter fuel allowance and free prescriptions and tv licences for any pensioners with 5k (or more) in savings.[/p][/quote]Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work. skydriver
  • Score: 5

3:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

skydriver says...
.Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work.

------

90% of the social security budget goes on pensions. Not only are they bad drivers but they are draining the system of money.
skydriver says... .Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work. ------ 90% of the social security budget goes on pensions. Not only are they bad drivers but they are draining the system of money. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -4

4:07pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads. Footnerc
  • Score: -4

4:28pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

WOC wrote:
And there is a picture of Cllr Geary on BRIDGE STREET why? Oh Daily Echo you are rubbish.
Yea I thought that, why is Bridge Street pictured rather than Barrack Road.
[quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: And there is a picture of Cllr Geary on BRIDGE STREET why? Oh Daily Echo you are rubbish.[/p][/quote]Yea I thought that, why is Bridge Street pictured rather than Barrack Road. Hessenford
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr .
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr . Lucky Rich
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

Lucky Rich wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr .
i may have only been driving 2 years but iv driven more variety of roads then most, all round the county. In no way am i stupid enough to wear earphones either. it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack!
[quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr .[/p][/quote]i may have only been driving 2 years but iv driven more variety of roads then most, all round the county. In no way am i stupid enough to wear earphones either. it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Footnerc
  • Score: -3

4:50pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rayc says...

Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job? rayc
  • Score: 4

4:53pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good. Footnerc
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rayc says...

Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org
.uk/info-resources/i
nfo-research/road-sa
fety-factsheets/15-f
acts-a-resources/fac
ts/488-young-drivers
-the-hard-facts
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts rayc
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org

.uk/info-resources/i

nfo-research/road-sa

fety-factsheets/15-f

acts-a-resources/fac

ts/488-young-drivers

-the-hard-facts
to be clear, im not saying young drivers are better, not in the slightest. i know too many people my age who have crashed because they are, i would say inexperienced, but i think stupid is a better word. i believe you should have a small underpowered car for a few years after driving. but my main argument here is elderly in christchurch are dreadful, if they are such better drivers, make them do the test again.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]to be clear, im not saying young drivers are better, not in the slightest. i know too many people my age who have crashed because they are, i would say inexperienced, but i think stupid is a better word. i believe you should have a small underpowered car for a few years after driving. but my main argument here is elderly in christchurch are dreadful, if they are such better drivers, make them do the test again. Footnerc
  • Score: 3

5:49pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

Forget the banter for now , 2 x 30 mph signs will help , 1 going in to the town located as the road splits by tappers funeral services & the other going out of the town opposite the police station ,,,,,,,surely 2 signs attached to existing posts in those positions cant cost that much .......simples .....
Forget the banter for now , 2 x 30 mph signs will help , 1 going in to the town located as the road splits by tappers funeral services & the other going out of the town opposite the police station ,,,,,,,surely 2 signs attached to existing posts in those positions cant cost that much .......simples ..... Lucky Rich
  • Score: 4

6:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

boardsandphotos says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
skydriver says...
.Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work.

------

90% of the social security budget goes on pensions. Not only are they bad drivers but they are draining the system of money.
Actually Pensions aren't part of the Social Security Budget, they are part of the Welfare Budget.

Pensions = 26% of the Welfare Budget. £141 Billion out of £549 Billion.

Social Security = 10% of the Welfare Budget. £57 Billion out of £549 billion.

Social Security includes Family & Children, Housing, Unemployment, Social exclusion and protection.




The Welfare Budget also includes Healthcare, Defence, Education etc.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: skydriver says... .Also brain dead, still it's those in the older age bracket who help pay your dole money, child allowance, and other social security for those who don't have the ability to be bothered to work. ------ 90% of the social security budget goes on pensions. Not only are they bad drivers but they are draining the system of money.[/p][/quote]Actually Pensions aren't part of the Social Security Budget, they are part of the Welfare Budget. Pensions = 26% of the Welfare Budget. £141 Billion out of £549 Billion. Social Security = 10% of the Welfare Budget. £57 Billion out of £549 billion. Social Security includes Family & Children, Housing, Unemployment, Social exclusion and protection. The Welfare Budget also includes Healthcare, Defence, Education etc. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 4

8:13pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Turtlebay says...

EGHH wrote:
Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town?
The elderly drivers stick with the Highway Code rules and the speed limits. It is the impatient 'know-it all' younger ones who ignore the speed limits and cause the crashes.
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: Or is it the numbers of elderly drivers in the town?[/p][/quote]The elderly drivers stick with the Highway Code rules and the speed limits. It is the impatient 'know-it all' younger ones who ignore the speed limits and cause the crashes. Turtlebay
  • Score: 2

9:19pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ProudVegan says...

A genuine query- does anyone really think 30 mph signs would actually encourage people to slow down???
A genuine query- does anyone really think 30 mph signs would actually encourage people to slow down??? ProudVegan
  • Score: 5

9:37pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bournefre says...

It says in the article the reason for the collision wasn't known, yet Cllr Nick Geary instantly jumps to the conclusion that it must have been caused by speeding motorists so the solution is to put up a sign to advise motorists that national speed limits apply.
He doesn't seem to have considered it may have been caused by a lapse of concentration, possibly caused by a distraction such as using a mobile device, changing the radio station or even watching the scenery instead of the road. If this were the case additional distractions such as road signs would have the opposite effect.
It says in the article the reason for the collision wasn't known, yet Cllr Nick Geary instantly jumps to the conclusion that it must have been caused by speeding motorists so the solution is to put up a sign to advise motorists that national speed limits apply. He doesn't seem to have considered it may have been caused by a lapse of concentration, possibly caused by a distraction such as using a mobile device, changing the radio station or even watching the scenery instead of the road. If this were the case additional distractions such as road signs would have the opposite effect. Bournefre
  • Score: 5

10:44pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

Footnerc wrote:
I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers!
In Christchurch, 'old' is over 90.
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers![/p][/quote]In Christchurch, 'old' is over 90. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

skydriver wrote:
Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot.
Our Ray is chilling in a quaint Oxford watering hole....555 quid a night....

http://raynottage.bl
ogspot.com/2014/03/m
anoir-aux-quat-saiso
n.html
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot.[/p][/quote]Our Ray is chilling in a quaint Oxford watering hole....555 quid a night.... http://raynottage.bl ogspot.com/2014/03/m anoir-aux-quat-saiso n.html Yankee1
  • Score: 4

11:44pm Wed 26 Mar 14

ragj195 says...

rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org

.uk/info-resources/i

nfo-research/road-sa

fety-factsheets/15-f

acts-a-resources/fac

ts/488-young-drivers

-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous. ragj195
  • Score: 2

1:56am Thu 27 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

ragj195 wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org


.uk/info-resources/i


nfo-research/road-sa


fety-factsheets/15-f


acts-a-resources/fac


ts/488-young-drivers


-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else.
The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests.
The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved...
Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.[/p][/quote]The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else. The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests. The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved... Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing. Hessenford
  • Score: 1

8:42am Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

Quote: 'A spokesman for Dorset County Council said: “30mph speed limits within street lit areas do not require repeater signs.' Unquote.
And as we all know, there is never an exception to any rule

Quote: “The regulations state that roads with street lighting are automatically 30mph unless an order has been made to change it.”. Unquote.
But a lot of drivers (especially those not familiar with this area - holidaymakers, for example) 'see' on this stretch of road not a 30mph speed limit but a dual carriageway that must have a speed limit above 30mph.
It is only the traffic lights at Stour Road that prevent many drivers from travelling at more than 40mph along this stretch of road.
Common-sense alone says that clearer signage at each end of this stretch of road is called for.
Unfortunately, the people responsible for the signage do not 'do' common-sense. :(
Quote: 'A spokesman for Dorset County Council said: “30mph speed limits within street lit areas do not require repeater signs.' Unquote. And as we all know, there is never an exception to any rule Quote: “The regulations state that roads with street lighting are automatically 30mph unless an order has been made to change it.”. Unquote. But a lot of drivers (especially those not familiar with this area - holidaymakers, for example) 'see' on this stretch of road not a 30mph speed limit but a dual carriageway that must have a speed limit above 30mph. It is only the traffic lights at Stour Road that prevent many drivers from travelling at more than 40mph along this stretch of road. Common-sense alone says that clearer signage at each end of this stretch of road is called for. Unfortunately, the people responsible for the signage do not 'do' common-sense. :( Rally
  • Score: 2

8:53am Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

crazybird wrote:
Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.
Actually, crazybird, if every driver who dithered, changed lanes without warning, pulled out without looking and are generally a complete hazard were to be taken off the road, then the roads would be almost devoid of traffic!
And, as your ignorant and arrogant attitude shows so clearly, no doubt you would be one of the many taken off the road. ;)
[quote][p][bold]crazybird[/bold] wrote: Why don't any of the road safety groups carry out some statistical work on how many old people cause accidents? It's about time we got some of the oldies off the road completely. They dither, change lanes without warning, pull out without looking and are generally a complete hazard.[/p][/quote]Actually, crazybird, if every driver who dithered, changed lanes without warning, pulled out without looking and are generally a complete hazard were to be taken off the road, then the roads would be almost devoid of traffic! And, as your ignorant and arrogant attitude shows so clearly, no doubt you would be one of the many taken off the road. ;) Rally
  • Score: 1

8:55am Thu 27 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

Coming from Somerford along the bypass and then onto Barrack Road it is not posted as 30mph although the highway code does stipulate on lit streets. It's also not uncommon for Mr Plod to be hiding behind the bush on Magdalen Lane. Can't think why they wouldn't want more signs up?!?! Easy cash?
Coming from Somerford along the bypass and then onto Barrack Road it is not posted as 30mph although the highway code does stipulate on lit streets. It's also not uncommon for Mr Plod to be hiding behind the bush on Magdalen Lane. Can't think why they wouldn't want more signs up?!?! Easy cash? mikeymagic
  • Score: 2

8:57am Thu 27 Mar 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Hessenford wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org



.uk/info-resources/i



nfo-research/road-sa



fety-factsheets/15-f



acts-a-resources/fac



ts/488-young-drivers



-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else.
The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests.
The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved...
Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.
So why quote them then?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.[/p][/quote]The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else. The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests. The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved... Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.[/p][/quote]So why quote them then? nosuchluck54
  • Score: 1

8:59am Thu 27 Mar 14

nosuchluck54 says...

It would be of more interest if those quoting "old drivers" were to state what age they class as old.
It would be of more interest if those quoting "old drivers" were to state what age they class as old. nosuchluck54
  • Score: 3

9:00am Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

Hessenford wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org



.uk/info-resources/i



nfo-research/road-sa



fety-factsheets/15-f



acts-a-resources/fac



ts/488-young-drivers



-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else.
The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests.
The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved...
Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.
Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,'
May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday?
Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . .
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.[/p][/quote]The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else. The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests. The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved... Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.[/p][/quote]Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,' May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday? Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . . Rally
  • Score: 1

9:04am Thu 27 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Footnerc wrote:
I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers!
People should know know about street lights and 30mph seeing as it is in the highway code. However, so is not parking on pavements unless expressly permitted, as well as not cycling on them or through red lights....
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: I agree there should be more signs. Most people either do not know or forget about 30mph and street lights! Anyway I say that road should be 40 as it is, accidents there are cause by old drivers not knowing what lane to be in. If you want to make the place safer, get rid of old drivers![/p][/quote]People should know know about street lights and 30mph seeing as it is in the highway code. However, so is not parking on pavements unless expressly permitted, as well as not cycling on them or through red lights.... speedy231278
  • Score: 4

9:08am Thu 27 Mar 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Rally wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org




.uk/info-resources/i




nfo-research/road-sa




fety-factsheets/15-f




acts-a-resources/fac




ts/488-young-drivers




-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else.
The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests.
The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved...
Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.
Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,'
May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday?
Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . .
And how wonderful the conceit of the older driver
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.[/p][/quote]The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else. The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests. The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved... Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.[/p][/quote]Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,' May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday? Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . .[/p][/quote]And how wonderful the conceit of the older driver nosuchluck54
  • Score: 0

9:20am Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

Footnerc wrote:
Lucky Rich wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr .
i may have only been driving 2 years but iv driven more variety of roads then most, all round the county. In no way am i stupid enough to wear earphones either. it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack!
I'm wondering whether Footnerc is just plain arrogant or remarkably stupid.
Perhaps he or she is a blend of both.
It would be interesting to see whether he or she could get through the IAM driving test - critically without any tutoring.
Well, Footnerc, have you the nerve to put your money where your mouth is?
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]That made me smile :-) , if you are struggling with the 20mph lot in the town i hope you have not tried the bypass or the motorways yet.....good luck take your ear phones off & concentrate on your driving , & stop looking in to the cars you pass to tick off old people in your eye spy book , you never know you might be old one day with a totally different view.....:-) Lr .[/p][/quote]i may have only been driving 2 years but iv driven more variety of roads then most, all round the county. In no way am i stupid enough to wear earphones either. it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack![/p][/quote]I'm wondering whether Footnerc is just plain arrogant or remarkably stupid. Perhaps he or she is a blend of both. It would be interesting to see whether he or she could get through the IAM driving test - critically without any tutoring. Well, Footnerc, have you the nerve to put your money where your mouth is? Rally
  • Score: 0

9:24am Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Rally wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
rayc wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.
If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?
well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.
As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine."

The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report
"There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders.
An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old.
One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test.
Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers .
Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher."

It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org





.uk/info-resources/i





nfo-research/road-sa





fety-factsheets/15-f





acts-a-resources/fac





ts/488-young-drivers





-the-hard-facts
Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving.

Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates.

I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong.

My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.
The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else.
The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests.
The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved...
Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.
Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,'
May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday?
Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . .
And how wonderful the conceit of the older driver
Not at all conceited, nosuchluck54 - not when dealing with the likes of Footnerc
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash, all the near misses iv had in christchurch have been due to old drivers. the young people who crash are yes because they have less experience but mainly because they get a car far too powerful to learn in. not the point though, in CHRISTCHURCH the majority of the accidents are by the elderly, they may be small accidents (although this is because they are not able to go any faster then 20!) but still. half the time they cant even see over the steering wheel! their eyesight is not clear enough, their hearing is non existent it seems and they have the worst reaction time! they have nothing better to do then clog up the roads.[/p][/quote]If your having a lot of near misses are your anticipation skill up to the job?[/p][/quote]well when its people pulling out in front of me because there not indicating and i haven't gone into them, id say my reactions are pretty **** good.[/p][/quote]As a young driver I hope you do not become an accident statistic as "research shows that it's a combination of youth and inexperience that puts younger drivers at such high risk. Their inexperience means they have a poorer ability to spot hazards and their youth means they are particularly likely to take risks. the Governments words not mine." The Government, Rospa and Brake etc report "There is a wealth of research and casualty data showing that young drivers - particularly young male drivers - are at a much higher risk of crashing than older drivers. They are therefore more at risk of losing their lives or being seriously injured on the road, often killing or injuring their young passengers or other road users too. Road crashes are the biggest single killer of young people in the UK and worldwide . Young drivers are involved in in in four fatal and serious crashes, despite only making up one in eight driver licence holders. An 18-year-old driver is more than three times as likely to be involved in a crash as a 48 year-old. One in five new drivers has a crash within six months of passing their test. Young male drivers have much higher crash rates than young female drivers . Young male drivers aged 17-20 are seven times more at risk than all male drivers - but between the hours of 2am and 5am their risk is 17 times higher." It is up to you and it is your driving career but I respectfully suggest you read http://www.brake.org .uk/info-resources/i nfo-research/road-sa fety-factsheets/15-f acts-a-resources/fac ts/488-young-drivers -the-hard-facts[/p][/quote]Let's ignore all the statistics that state that drivers over 80 are as likely to have an accident per km driven as young drivers in their teens. There are more young deaths simply because there are more young drivers that drive their car more miles. This has been done to death, for every report about young drivers being at risk there's a similar report that questions why elderly drivers are allowed to keep their license unchecked, while a young driver can easily lose theirs within the first 2 years of driving. Claiming that stats support elderly drivers simply isn't true. Dig a little deeper than insurance premiums and you'll get an idea of how elderly drivers come into line with young drivers when it comes to accident rates. I see all sorts of age groups speeding but I only ever see one age group going the wrong way round a roundabout, or driving down a one way road totally unaware of what they are doing wrong. My mother and mother in law are in their mid-70's. Both still drive but would my wife or I let either of them drive with our 8 year old daughter in their car. Absolutely, no chance. Neither would come close to passing a driving test because most of the time they have no idea which lane to be in and like another commentator has said, when they change lane it's often without indicating and spontaneous.[/p][/quote]The Institute of Advanced Motorists tried to close the age debate last week with new research revealing that, contrary to popular belief, drivers aged over 70 are no more likely to cause accidents than anyone else. The safety organisation concluded that older drivers were "considerably safer" than younger motorists and rejected calls for them to face compulsory retests. The IAM – motto "driving road safety" – said that the eight per cent of UK drivers aged over 70 were involved in just four per cent of all injury accidents. Of the 15 per cent of drivers in their teens and 20s, however, 34 per cent were involved... Any body can quote stats but it doesn't prove a thing.[/p][/quote]Footnerc wrote: ' im 19 and iv not as yet had a crash,' May we then take it that you only started driving yesterday? Oh, how wonderful is the arrogance of youth . . .[/p][/quote]And how wonderful the conceit of the older driver[/p][/quote]Not at all conceited, nosuchluck54 - not when dealing with the likes of Footnerc Rally
  • Score: -1

10:41am Thu 27 Mar 14

dorsetspeed says...

Anyone who is dangerous due to inadequate quantities of 30 limit signs will need more than a few numbers in circles to make them safer
Anyone who is dangerous due to inadequate quantities of 30 limit signs will need more than a few numbers in circles to make them safer dorsetspeed
  • Score: 6

11:25am Thu 27 Mar 14

skydriver says...

Yankee1 wrote:
skydriver wrote:
Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot.
Our Ray is chilling in a quaint Oxford watering hole....555 quid a night....

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Is it no expenses, ?
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Don't ask Nottage to look into this one, he is too busy putting up electronic car park signs, as they have a lot of spare cash in the pot.[/p][/quote]Our Ray is chilling in a quaint Oxford watering hole....555 quid a night.... http://raynottage.bl ogspot.com/2014/03/m anoir-aux-quat-saiso n.html[/p][/quote]Is it no expenses, ? skydriver
  • Score: -1

1:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read.
at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...).
im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes.

I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)
oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read. at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...). im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes. I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :) Footnerc
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Rally says...

Footnerc wrote:
oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read.
at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...).
im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes.

I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)
Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk?
Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read. at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...). im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes. I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)[/p][/quote]Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk? Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote. Rally
  • Score: -1

3:46pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

Rally wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read.
at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...).
im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes.

I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)
Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk?
Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.
And your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read. at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...). im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes. I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)[/p][/quote]Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk? Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.[/p][/quote]And your point is? Footnerc
  • Score: 0

4:10pm Thu 27 Mar 14

spooki says...

I use Barrack Road quite a lot. Am I missing something? Where do people get the idea that it's a 40mph limit?
Whenever I use the road I'm lucky to be even going at 30moh due to the amount of couriers/work related vans stopping willy-nilly or pulling out into traffic.
Yet again, people's ignorance and bad driving trying to blame the road or signs for their stupidity.
I use Barrack Road quite a lot. Am I missing something? Where do people get the idea that it's a 40mph limit? Whenever I use the road I'm lucky to be even going at 30moh due to the amount of couriers/work related vans stopping willy-nilly or pulling out into traffic. Yet again, people's ignorance and bad driving trying to blame the road or signs for their stupidity. spooki
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Thu 27 Mar 14

spooki says...

Lucky Rich wrote:
Forget the banter for now , 2 x 30 mph signs will help , 1 going in to the town located as the road splits by tappers funeral services & the other going out of the town opposite the police station ,,,,,,,surely 2 signs attached to existing posts in those positions cant cost that much .......simples .....
Yes but you need to close both lanes while doing it (Health and Safety), pay for the labour costs of the people doing it - one to hold the ladder, one to put the sign up and one to watch.
[quote][p][bold]Lucky Rich[/bold] wrote: Forget the banter for now , 2 x 30 mph signs will help , 1 going in to the town located as the road splits by tappers funeral services & the other going out of the town opposite the police station ,,,,,,,surely 2 signs attached to existing posts in those positions cant cost that much .......simples .....[/p][/quote]Yes but you need to close both lanes while doing it (Health and Safety), pay for the labour costs of the people doing it - one to hold the ladder, one to put the sign up and one to watch. spooki
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Thu 27 Mar 14

spooki says...

ProudVegan wrote:
A genuine query- does anyone really think 30 mph signs would actually encourage people to slow down???
That's what I thought! How about a man with the sign running in front of the car?
[quote][p][bold]ProudVegan[/bold] wrote: A genuine query- does anyone really think 30 mph signs would actually encourage people to slow down???[/p][/quote]That's what I thought! How about a man with the sign running in front of the car? spooki
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Thu 27 Mar 14

MotorbikeSam says...

there is no doubt that barrack rd is a 3O mph limit, only an idiot would exceed
this speed on an urdan road.... and yes the road are full of idiots...young and old... its just the younger ones have more years to kill people !!
there is no doubt that barrack rd is a 3O mph limit, only an idiot would exceed this speed on an urdan road.... and yes the road are full of idiots...young and old... its just the younger ones have more years to kill people !! MotorbikeSam
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Rally says...

Footnerc wrote:
Rally wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read.
at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...).
im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes.

I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)
Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk?
Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.
And your point is?
"And your point is?"

You display an unhealthy attitude toward old people.
I suggest you need help.
[quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read. at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...). im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes. I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)[/p][/quote]Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk? Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.[/p][/quote]And your point is?[/p][/quote]"And your point is?" You display an unhealthy attitude toward old people. I suggest you need help. Rally
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Footnerc says...

Rally wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
Rally wrote:
Footnerc wrote:
oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read.
at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...).
im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes.

I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)
Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk?
Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.
And your point is?
"And your point is?"

You display an unhealthy attitude toward old people.
I suggest you need help.
Hahaha if you can't see my point, your the one who needs the help.
From what i have seen on here, most of you have an unhealthy attitude towards young people. Your just being pathetic now.
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Footnerc[/bold] wrote: oh dear, i wander if many of you can even read. at no point did i say all old drivers or that they are the only problem or even in the whole country. i simply stated that in christchurch there are more elderly then usual and that many of the minor accidents in christchurch. when i say old i mean 80+ (not all of them!) just the ones who can barley even walk or see over the steering wheel (And before anyone comments, no im not discriminating against disabled...). im not being arrogant, just stating my views. im not saying im a perfect driver either, no one will be, everyone will make mistakes. I must however say this was hilarious (roll on more comments trying to prove me wrong in some way because im only 19) :)[/p][/quote]Well, Footnerc, are you not the author of the following disparaging comments about 'old' folk? Quote: 'it takes me an hour to get to work because of all the traffic around christchurch, while sitting in this traffic is when you notice the old drivers. there is no reason for them to be on the road in the morning, they dont have jobs so why are they out? and if they have a car, why do they have a FREE buss pass? because they have nothing better to do they annoy everyone trying to make a living. tbh when im old, i'll either take a buss or better yet, cars may drive them selfs in 50 years time. i would love to see elderly do the driving test now, the emergency stop alone would most likely give them a heart attack! Unquote.[/p][/quote]And your point is?[/p][/quote]"And your point is?" You display an unhealthy attitude toward old people. I suggest you need help.[/p][/quote]Hahaha if you can't see my point, your the one who needs the help. From what i have seen on here, most of you have an unhealthy attitude towards young people. Your just being pathetic now. Footnerc
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