UPDATED: Teachers' strike - see which schools are open and closed across Dorset

Teachers' strike: see which schools are open and closed across Dorset

Teachers' strike: see which schools are open and closed across Dorset

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This list is up-to-date as of 1.40pm on Tuesday, March 25 and may be updated.

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Closed

  • Lytchett Minster
  • St Michael’s C of E primary
  • Carter Community School
  • Elmrise Primary School
  • Hill View Primary School
  • Kingsleigh Primary School
  • Malmesbury Park Primary School
  • Pokesdown Community Primary School
  • Tregonwell Academy
  • Christ The King Catholic Primary School
  • Heathlands Primary School, Bournemouth
  • Branksome Heath Junior School
  • Hamworthy Park Junior School
  • St Joseph's RC VA Primary School
  • St Mary's RC VA Primary School

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3:57pm Mon 24 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

Striking in general should not be allowed. It impacts the innocent every time and never achieves results. Think of the kids, the parents and the general infrastructure. Times are tough in many sectors. If I don't take my child to school for a term day I can be fined. I hope the teachers are also being applied with the same penalty for each child not at school and covering the salary of the self employed people who now miss a days salary.
Striking in general should not be allowed. It impacts the innocent every time and never achieves results. Think of the kids, the parents and the general infrastructure. Times are tough in many sectors. If I don't take my child to school for a term day I can be fined. I hope the teachers are also being applied with the same penalty for each child not at school and covering the salary of the self employed people who now miss a days salary. mikeymagic
  • Score: 4

4:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

master plan says...

Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !! master plan
  • Score: 19

4:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

justsayithowitis says...

You can tell that school has finished. Teachers obviously giving thumbs down
You can tell that school has finished. Teachers obviously giving thumbs down justsayithowitis
  • Score: -4

5:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without.
If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without. muscliffman
  • Score: 9

5:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

mikeymagic wrote:
Striking in general should not be allowed. It impacts the innocent every time and never achieves results. Think of the kids, the parents and the general infrastructure. Times are tough in many sectors. If I don't take my child to school for a term day I can be fined. I hope the teachers are also being applied with the same penalty for each child not at school and covering the salary of the self employed people who now miss a days salary.
A load of teachers voting me thinks! I wonder how many London teachers agreed with the underground strikes. Just teach our children and deal with the difficulties the same way as the majority of this country. Don't like your job or employment terms, then get another job.
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: Striking in general should not be allowed. It impacts the innocent every time and never achieves results. Think of the kids, the parents and the general infrastructure. Times are tough in many sectors. If I don't take my child to school for a term day I can be fined. I hope the teachers are also being applied with the same penalty for each child not at school and covering the salary of the self employed people who now miss a days salary.[/p][/quote]A load of teachers voting me thinks! I wonder how many London teachers agreed with the underground strikes. Just teach our children and deal with the difficulties the same way as the majority of this country. Don't like your job or employment terms, then get another job. mikeymagic
  • Score: 10

5:58pm Mon 24 Mar 14

master plan says...

I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach
I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach master plan
  • Score: 5

6:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers cromwell9
  • Score: -17

7:56pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

master plan wrote:
I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach
If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you?
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach[/p][/quote]If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you? Carolyn43
  • Score: 39

8:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Not again !! says...

It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support.
If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.
It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support. If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage. Not again !!
  • Score: 17

10:13pm Mon 24 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Not again !! wrote:
It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support.
If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.
Its okay for the public secter,.They have their Unions to fight for them.
The 24 million Private secter workers ,have no body,
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support. If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]Its okay for the public secter,.They have their Unions to fight for them. The 24 million Private secter workers ,have no body, cromwell9
  • Score: 21

10:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

stephy1990 says...

shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!! stephy1990
  • Score: -8

8:56am Tue 25 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing? mikeymagic
  • Score: 13

9:33am Tue 25 Mar 14

master plan says...

Not again !! wrote:
It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support.
If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.
How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage??

At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303.

High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals.
[quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support. If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage?? At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303. High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals. master plan
  • Score: 14

9:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What an odd thing to put "fighting to save our profession" - and the writer is 'educating' other kids! Because despite the efforts of a few (patently vested interests), it is very clear where the general public and especially parents stand on this matter.

And many thanks to the Echo for providing the above school 'selection list' for parents seeking the best possible future education for their children - the decent local schools with capable and dedicated teachers are of course the ones listed which will be remaining fully OPEN.
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What an odd thing to put "fighting to save our profession" - and the writer is 'educating' other kids! Because despite the efforts of a few (patently vested interests), it is very clear where the general public and especially parents stand on this matter. And many thanks to the Echo for providing the above school 'selection list' for parents seeking the best possible future education for their children - the decent local schools with capable and dedicated teachers are of course the ones listed which will be remaining fully OPEN. muscliffman
  • Score: 23

1:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

JB New Forest says...

Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home! JB New Forest
  • Score: 12

1:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Teddy 1 says...

When the broadstone schools join to be a single academy under a 'new lead learner', will teachers still be able to strike...can they still strike if they are an academy and teachers pay can be decided by the school board? What parents dont realise is the schools will take money out of their budgets to retain good staff (because they can) with higher salaries which means less government cash to be spent per child. Should parents be asked if they want a school to become an academy?
When the broadstone schools join to be a single academy under a 'new lead learner', will teachers still be able to strike...can they still strike if they are an academy and teachers pay can be decided by the school board? What parents dont realise is the schools will take money out of their budgets to retain good staff (because they can) with higher salaries which means less government cash to be spent per child. Should parents be asked if they want a school to become an academy? Teddy 1
  • Score: 8

1:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Not again !! says...

master plan wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support.
If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.
How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage??

At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303.

High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals.
I wasn't suggesting that teachers will be on the minimum wage. What I was trying to say is that we appear to be fighting each other by saying 'I don't get that so why should you'. What you should be saying is 'maybe I'm worth more than I'm already getting if that's what a teacher gets. We are in a continual race to the bottom which is exactly what Governments want. Don't you ever notice how MP's use organisations like the 'Labour research Dept' and the 'Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority' to award themselves huge pay rises (the latest being 11%) and yet the rest of us fight over the crumbs. These organisations stated that in my current job I should have been earning £33 000 in 2003 but I'm nowhere near that even today. There needs to be a complete rebalance of wealth and we need to change the way we view each other as the current situation only supports nepotism.
I notice stephy1990 is getting some abuse for saying that teachers are' fighting to save their profession',,,,well this is true because without good conditions, fair pay and pension potential teachers will look elsewhere and the end result will be the demise of our education system as is already happening.
Stand together teachers as you are fighting for what you are entitled to, nothing more !
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support. If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage?? At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303. High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals.[/p][/quote]I wasn't suggesting that teachers will be on the minimum wage. What I was trying to say is that we appear to be fighting each other by saying 'I don't get that so why should you'. What you should be saying is 'maybe I'm worth more than I'm already getting if that's what a teacher gets. We are in a continual race to the bottom which is exactly what Governments want. Don't you ever notice how MP's use organisations like the 'Labour research Dept' and the 'Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority' to award themselves huge pay rises (the latest being 11%) and yet the rest of us fight over the crumbs. These organisations stated that in my current job I should have been earning £33 000 in 2003 but I'm nowhere near that even today. There needs to be a complete rebalance of wealth and we need to change the way we view each other as the current situation only supports nepotism. I notice stephy1990 is getting some abuse for saying that teachers are' fighting to save their profession',,,,well this is true because without good conditions, fair pay and pension potential teachers will look elsewhere and the end result will be the demise of our education system as is already happening. Stand together teachers as you are fighting for what you are entitled to, nothing more ! Not again !!
  • Score: 22

1:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ranger_bob says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I suggest you find a teacher and befriend them. Then ask them to teach you English.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a teacher and befriend them. Then ask them to teach you English. ranger_bob
  • Score: 44

1:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

boardsandphotos says...

This is a genuine question because I honestly don't know how strikes work any more. (Compared with the kind of thing you saw in the 70's and 80's)

The picture that compliments this news story is of what looks like some kind of protest march or picket. Is this a stock photo or is this actually happening today?

What are the rules for teachers (or anybody else for that matter) on strike? Can they just stay at home or go shopping or do they have to attend some kind of official protest / picket / march?

Personally, if you are going to strike (although I'm not in favour of this type of behaviour) but if you insist on exercising your right to strike then I think you should do it properly, you stand somewhere public (or outside your place of work) as a group and you make it known why you are doing it by putting up banners, handing out flyers etc...to really get the message across to the general public.
This is a genuine question because I honestly don't know how strikes work any more. (Compared with the kind of thing you saw in the 70's and 80's) The picture that compliments this news story is of what looks like some kind of protest march or picket. Is this a stock photo or is this actually happening today? What are the rules for teachers (or anybody else for that matter) on strike? Can they just stay at home or go shopping or do they have to attend some kind of official protest / picket / march? Personally, if you are going to strike (although I'm not in favour of this type of behaviour) but if you insist on exercising your right to strike then I think you should do it properly, you stand somewhere public (or outside your place of work) as a group and you make it known why you are doing it by putting up banners, handing out flyers etc...to really get the message across to the general public. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it.

Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education.

I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly.
Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it. Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education. I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly. TheDistrict
  • Score: -4

2:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

boardsandphotos says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it.

Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education.

I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly.
As much as I don't think striking is particularly effective, part of the outcome is to cause disruption and make people take notice. You clearly can't 'strike' on a day when you are not scheduled to work, that wouldn't have quite the same impact now would it...
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it. Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education. I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly.[/p][/quote]As much as I don't think striking is particularly effective, part of the outcome is to cause disruption and make people take notice. You clearly can't 'strike' on a day when you are not scheduled to work, that wouldn't have quite the same impact now would it... boardsandphotos
  • Score: 13

2:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

snowy123 says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
When the broadstone schools join to be a single academy under a 'new lead learner', will teachers still be able to strike...can they still strike if they are an academy and teachers pay can be decided by the school board? What parents dont realise is the schools will take money out of their budgets to retain good staff (because they can) with higher salaries which means less government cash to be spent per child. Should parents be asked if they want a school to become an academy?
Yes they can still strike if they are an academy. If you look at the above list you will notice several academies either shut or partially shut tomorrow.
Interestingly though Oak Academy is open, but Elm Academy is shut even though they are a single entity called The Leaf Federation !
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: When the broadstone schools join to be a single academy under a 'new lead learner', will teachers still be able to strike...can they still strike if they are an academy and teachers pay can be decided by the school board? What parents dont realise is the schools will take money out of their budgets to retain good staff (because they can) with higher salaries which means less government cash to be spent per child. Should parents be asked if they want a school to become an academy?[/p][/quote]Yes they can still strike if they are an academy. If you look at the above list you will notice several academies either shut or partially shut tomorrow. Interestingly though Oak Academy is open, but Elm Academy is shut even though they are a single entity called The Leaf Federation ! snowy123
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SFF says...

Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys. SFF
  • Score: 16

3:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SoLongScarecrow says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
This is a genuine question because I honestly don't know how strikes work any more. (Compared with the kind of thing you saw in the 70's and 80's)

The picture that compliments this news story is of what looks like some kind of protest march or picket. Is this a stock photo or is this actually happening today?

What are the rules for teachers (or anybody else for that matter) on strike? Can they just stay at home or go shopping or do they have to attend some kind of official protest / picket / march?

Personally, if you are going to strike (although I'm not in favour of this type of behaviour) but if you insist on exercising your right to strike then I think you should do it properly, you stand somewhere public (or outside your place of work) as a group and you make it known why you are doing it by putting up banners, handing out flyers etc...to really get the message across to the general public.
I assume the photo is from a march in the past.

I can only speak for my children's school but when it was partially open last year during a strike there was no picket line or anything. I guess the teachers stayed at home for the day (and many, no doubt, will have used this time to catch up on marking/lessons plans etc - not just had a nice lie in and gone shopping, but who knows!).

We also had no information on WHY the strikes are happening. I'm guessing this is because schools can't hand out a leaflet about it but they really should. I can use the internet to research why it's happening but many parents won't/can't and the strikes create bad blood between parents and schools. The government aren't listening to teachers and those in charge do not have enough experience with education to be making decisions. There should be a panel of teachers from all types of schools that are used to consult with on educational matters but I don't believe this exists.

(The rest of this isn't aimed at just you boardsandphotos)

As a working single parent without local support, I understand that these strikes are hard on families, however they are a last resort used by frustrated teachers who only want the best for our children. It's a nightmare trying to sort out last minute childcare, plus the cost of it will hit me hard, as would taking a day off - the last thing many families need.

It's not simply a matter of 'greedy teachers'. They entered a profession which now has constantly changing goalposts with an idiot in charge.

- Yes, they are very lucky to have a pension, I can barely pay my bills some months, let alone save towards my old age. If it were solely about pensions then they wouldn't have my support as much.

- Yes, they get more holidays than most which IS a good perk (especially the summer holiday) but they need the breaks to avoid burn-out. Anyone who knows a teacher will realise this but not everyone does.

- Yes, they get higher wages than many of us but educating our kids is a vitally important job. Performance-related pay is a dreadful idea which will impact our kids education. If a teacher is in a school in a rough area with difficult students (where good teachers are urgently required) then their pay will be less than a teacher in a high performing grammar school. This means the best teachers will leave the harder schools and these schools will be left with the dregs - newly qualified, inexperienced teachers and those who just aren't all that great so can't easily get a job elsewhere. This isn't fair on the teachers OR the pupils.

- Yes, school hours are around 8.45am - 3.15pm, but if you think that's when they clock off then you're sorely mistaken. The vast majority stay behind for hours and come in early. Not to mention parents evenings, concerts, meetings, open evenings and those who volunteer to run after school clubs.

What we need to do is support teachers, ensure the government listens to them and if need be, vote in somebody else who will do that better. We're not talking about a minor thing here, but every single child's future. Teachers don't want to strike, they want a voice.
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: This is a genuine question because I honestly don't know how strikes work any more. (Compared with the kind of thing you saw in the 70's and 80's) The picture that compliments this news story is of what looks like some kind of protest march or picket. Is this a stock photo or is this actually happening today? What are the rules for teachers (or anybody else for that matter) on strike? Can they just stay at home or go shopping or do they have to attend some kind of official protest / picket / march? Personally, if you are going to strike (although I'm not in favour of this type of behaviour) but if you insist on exercising your right to strike then I think you should do it properly, you stand somewhere public (or outside your place of work) as a group and you make it known why you are doing it by putting up banners, handing out flyers etc...to really get the message across to the general public.[/p][/quote]I assume the photo is from a march in the past. I can only speak for my children's school but when it was partially open last year during a strike there was no picket line or anything. I guess the teachers stayed at home for the day (and many, no doubt, will have used this time to catch up on marking/lessons plans etc - not just had a nice lie in and gone shopping, but who knows!). We also had no information on WHY the strikes are happening. I'm guessing this is because schools can't hand out a leaflet about it but they really should. I can use the internet to research why it's happening but many parents won't/can't and the strikes create bad blood between parents and schools. The government aren't listening to teachers and those in charge do not have enough experience with education to be making decisions. There should be a panel of teachers from all types of schools that are used to consult with on educational matters but I don't believe this exists. (The rest of this isn't aimed at just you boardsandphotos) As a working single parent without local support, I understand that these strikes are hard on families, however they are a last resort used by frustrated teachers who only want the best for our children. It's a nightmare trying to sort out last minute childcare, plus the cost of it will hit me hard, as would taking a day off - the last thing many families need. It's not simply a matter of 'greedy teachers'. They entered a profession which now has constantly changing goalposts with an idiot in charge. - Yes, they are very lucky to have a pension, I can barely pay my bills some months, let alone save towards my old age. If it were solely about pensions then they wouldn't have my support as much. - Yes, they get more holidays than most which IS a good perk (especially the summer holiday) but they need the breaks to avoid burn-out. Anyone who knows a teacher will realise this but not everyone does. - Yes, they get higher wages than many of us but educating our kids is a vitally important job. Performance-related pay is a dreadful idea which will impact our kids education. If a teacher is in a school in a rough area with difficult students (where good teachers are urgently required) then their pay will be less than a teacher in a high performing grammar school. This means the best teachers will leave the harder schools and these schools will be left with the dregs - newly qualified, inexperienced teachers and those who just aren't all that great so can't easily get a job elsewhere. This isn't fair on the teachers OR the pupils. - Yes, school hours are around 8.45am - 3.15pm, but if you think that's when they clock off then you're sorely mistaken. The vast majority stay behind for hours and come in early. Not to mention parents evenings, concerts, meetings, open evenings and those who volunteer to run after school clubs. What we need to do is support teachers, ensure the government listens to them and if need be, vote in somebody else who will do that better. We're not talking about a minor thing here, but every single child's future. Teachers don't want to strike, they want a voice. SoLongScarecrow
  • Score: 23

3:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: -4

3:19pm Tue 25 Mar 14

SoLongScarecrow says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school. SoLongScarecrow
  • Score: 15

3:38pm Tue 25 Mar 14

60plus says...

It's a pity nurses could not strike,lousy money ,working weekends working nights and bank holidays,the teachers don't realise how good they have it.O I forgot they pay more for their holidays.
It's a pity nurses could not strike,lousy money ,working weekends working nights and bank holidays,the teachers don't realise how good they have it.O I forgot they pay more for their holidays. 60plus
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
You must think we are stupd,
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]You must think we are stupd, cromwell9
  • Score: 6

4:01pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
[quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it cromwell9
  • Score: -16

4:02pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of. Hessenford
  • Score: -3

4:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

ranger_bob wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I suggest you find a teacher and befriend them. Then ask them to teach you English.
The truth hurts ,dosent it
[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I suggest you find a teacher and befriend them. Then ask them to teach you English.[/p][/quote]The truth hurts ,dosent it cromwell9
  • Score: -17

4:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

SoLongScarecrow wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.
[quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.[/p][/quote]If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about. cromwell9
  • Score: -12

4:12pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ziggy starburst says...

This whole thread is depressing. Unless you are a teacher (and I'm not) you cannot comment on how easy their job is. They have a legal right to strike and they are striking to save their jobs and working conditions. If their working conditions happen to be better than yours then it's not their fault. Just because you don't have something, it doesn't mean others shouldn't have it. I support their actions and anyone else who has the guts to stand up to the constant chipping away of working conditions and standards of living. Before long the whole country will be on minimum wage if we don't support each other. We actually ARE all in this together. It's the politicians that are not with us but you all seem to be siding with them, who incidentally earn more than you (in expenses alone) and will retire before you.
This whole thread is depressing. Unless you are a teacher (and I'm not) you cannot comment on how easy their job is. They have a legal right to strike and they are striking to save their jobs and working conditions. If their working conditions happen to be better than yours then it's not their fault. Just because you don't have something, it doesn't mean others shouldn't have it. I support their actions and anyone else who has the guts to stand up to the constant chipping away of working conditions and standards of living. Before long the whole country will be on minimum wage if we don't support each other. We actually ARE all in this together. It's the politicians that are not with us but you all seem to be siding with them, who incidentally earn more than you (in expenses alone) and will retire before you. Ziggy starburst
  • Score: 25

4:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Ziggy starburst says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
This was an an announcement on behalf of the no education party.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]This was an an announcement on behalf of the no education party. Ziggy starburst
  • Score: 22

4:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

TinyLegacy says...

muscliffman wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What an odd thing to put "fighting to save our profession" - and the writer is 'educating' other kids! Because despite the efforts of a few (patently vested interests), it is very clear where the general public and especially parents stand on this matter.

And many thanks to the Echo for providing the above school 'selection list' for parents seeking the best possible future education for their children - the decent local schools with capable and dedicated teachers are of course the ones listed which will be remaining fully OPEN.
Because the vast majority of parents treat teachers as a baby-sitting service, and nothing more. Perhaps you should educate yourself in the issues teachers are facing rather that spewing ridiculous misguided comments.
If half the people in the comments had the intelligence to be able to teach they'd learn that it's not as 'cushty' and the Sun newspaper would have them believe. Do you people honestly think (for example) that their day ends when the kids go home?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What an odd thing to put "fighting to save our profession" - and the writer is 'educating' other kids! Because despite the efforts of a few (patently vested interests), it is very clear where the general public and especially parents stand on this matter. And many thanks to the Echo for providing the above school 'selection list' for parents seeking the best possible future education for their children - the decent local schools with capable and dedicated teachers are of course the ones listed which will be remaining fully OPEN.[/p][/quote]Because the vast majority of parents treat teachers as a baby-sitting service, and nothing more. Perhaps you should educate yourself in the issues teachers are facing rather that spewing ridiculous misguided comments. If half the people in the comments had the intelligence to be able to teach they'd learn that it's not as 'cushty' and the Sun newspaper would have them believe. Do you people honestly think (for example) that their day ends when the kids go home? TinyLegacy
  • Score: 9

4:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

TinyLegacy says...

cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar. TinyLegacy
  • Score: 15

4:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so. Hessenford
  • Score: 15

4:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

cromwell9 wrote:
SoLongScarecrow wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.
You really do need more education on you're spelling
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.[/p][/quote]If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.[/p][/quote]You really do need more education on you're spelling Hessenford
  • Score: 6

4:52pm Tue 25 Mar 14

M0Z says...

The annual pay rise culture of last century was necessary when inflation was so high. It’s not necessary with today’s low rates though. Every penny that goes to public sector workers comes from the taxation imposed on private sector workers. Public sector workers sometimes bleat on about paying taxes, but in reality they’re just recycling private sector taxes. In the private sector we only get pay rises when we achieve promotion or do more work. Since we bankroll the public sector, it’s only fair that the same rules apply. I know several teachers who are much better off than me, with pension provisions way beyond anything I could ever achieve. I have no sympathy for this strike.
The annual pay rise culture of last century was necessary when inflation was so high. It’s not necessary with today’s low rates though. Every penny that goes to public sector workers comes from the taxation imposed on private sector workers. Public sector workers sometimes bleat on about paying taxes, but in reality they’re just recycling private sector taxes. In the private sector we only get pay rises when we achieve promotion or do more work. Since we bankroll the public sector, it’s only fair that the same rules apply. I know several teachers who are much better off than me, with pension provisions way beyond anything I could ever achieve. I have no sympathy for this strike. M0Z
  • Score: -6

5:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
SoLongScarecrow wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.
You really do need more education on you're spelling
I have a very quick Wi Fi keyboard, CLEVER CLOGS
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.[/p][/quote]If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.[/p][/quote]You really do need more education on you're spelling[/p][/quote]I have a very quick Wi Fi keyboard, CLEVER CLOGS cromwell9
  • Score: -13

5:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.
We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY.
The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so).
They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.[/p][/quote]We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY. The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so). They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter). cromwell9
  • Score: -12

5:40pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

TinyLegacy wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.
I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem),
So you shot yourself strait in the foot.
[quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.[/p][/quote]I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem), So you shot yourself strait in the foot. cromwell9
  • Score: -16

5:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Ziggy starburst wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
This was an an announcement on behalf of the no education party.
You should Know.
[quote][p][bold]Ziggy starburst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]This was an an announcement on behalf of the no education party.[/p][/quote]You should Know. cromwell9
  • Score: -12

5:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

SFF wrote:
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,
[quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.[/p][/quote]You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter, cromwell9
  • Score: -12

5:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

SFF wrote:
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,
[quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.[/p][/quote]You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter, cromwell9
  • Score: -10

6:06pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Phixer says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
Written like a true socialist; anybody who disagrees must be uneducated!

From my vast experience, professional people rarely go on strike; they're too busy providing a service to the people paying their salary.

You have the chance to strike every year if you choose to do so. Those poor kids coming up to exam time - quelle co-incidence! - only have one chance and you, a self-claimed 'professional', think nothing of screwing their chances.

Given the current economics, what are your chances of winning - or at least not losing money? No point striking if you're just going to lose money.

And, tell me, how much money will your full time salaried union officers lose during the strike? Typically they don't suffer and swan around on expenses in their fancy union cars - all paid for out of your subs, which are not reduced because you chose to strike.

Still, as long as you can sleep at night dreaming of fleecing hard-working parents of yet more tax money.
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]Written like a true socialist; anybody who disagrees must be uneducated! From my vast experience, professional people rarely go on strike; they're too busy providing a service to the people paying their salary. You have the chance to strike every year if you choose to do so. Those poor kids coming up to exam time - quelle co-incidence! - only have one chance and you, a self-claimed 'professional', think nothing of screwing their chances. Given the current economics, what are your chances of winning - or at least not losing money? No point striking if you're just going to lose money. And, tell me, how much money will your full time salaried union officers lose during the strike? Typically they don't suffer and swan around on expenses in their fancy union cars - all paid for out of your subs, which are not reduced because you chose to strike. Still, as long as you can sleep at night dreaming of fleecing hard-working parents of yet more tax money. Phixer
  • Score: 5

6:36pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
SoLongScarecrow wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.
You really do need more education on you're spelling
I have a very quick Wi Fi keyboard, CLEVER CLOGS
Doesn't matter how quick your Wi Fi keyboard is, it only gets sent when you click on "Post Comment". You have all the time in the world to do a spell check before you do that.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.[/p][/quote]If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.[/p][/quote]You really do need more education on you're spelling[/p][/quote]I have a very quick Wi Fi keyboard, CLEVER CLOGS[/p][/quote]Doesn't matter how quick your Wi Fi keyboard is, it only gets sent when you click on "Post Comment". You have all the time in the world to do a spell check before you do that. Carolyn43
  • Score: 8

7:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

mikeymagic says...

Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
SoLongScarecrow wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth!
They're not striking for more pay.

They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe.

If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online.

Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.
If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.
You really do need more education on you're spelling
Your spelling! You're = you are. Please don't give an excuse for education related comments!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SoLongScarecrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that someone is uneducated simply because they disagree with teachers going on strike? I was actually educated to a far higher standard than my children were but then that was before the Unions dumb downed education in this country. We have kids leaving schools today that cannot fully read or write and these so called teachers are demanding more money for doing an inadequate job compared to what the lower paid teachers did in my day. Just take a look at where our world standings are today in education results and then tell me they are right to strike for more pay. I believe that pay rises should be earned on merit and see little evidence of great results across the country coming from this teaching profession that you are supposedly trying to save. Thats just my own two penneth worth![/p][/quote]They're not striking for more pay. They're not demanding anything regarding a pay increase as far as I've been lead to believe. If anything, they're now working hours more despite their pay not changing. They're striking regarding the workload, bureaucracy, performance-related pay and 'unfair' pension changes. You can read about it in various places online. Perhaps if teachers had more time to actually teach then every child WILL be able to read and write when they leave school.[/p][/quote]If Teachers worked in the PRVATE Secter ,they would have somthing to moan about.[/p][/quote]You really do need more education on you're spelling[/p][/quote]Your spelling! You're = you are. Please don't give an excuse for education related comments! mikeymagic
  • Score: 8

7:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

cromwell9 wrote:
SFF wrote:
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,
If you're a reflection of a private sector worker then I'm glad I don't work in it.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.[/p][/quote]You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,[/p][/quote]If you're a reflection of a private sector worker then I'm glad I don't work in it. Hessenford
  • Score: 10

7:37pm Tue 25 Mar 14

John T says...

cromwell9 wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
You must think we are stupd,
cromwell9

I don't think you are stupid, I NO WIT. You prove it every time you write on ANY thread on this website.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]You must think we are stupd,[/p][/quote]cromwell9 I don't think you are stupid, I NO WIT. You prove it every time you write on ANY thread on this website. John T
  • Score: 6

8:26pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
my wife is a teacher,she regulary works 30-40 hours a week extra outside of school hours marking papers,preparing lessons,grading exams,yet she got a 1% pay rise, if you take into account all these hours most teachers get less than the minimal wageso before you slate teachers take a look at all the facts
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]my wife is a teacher,she regulary works 30-40 hours a week extra outside of school hours marking papers,preparing lessons,grading exams,yet she got a 1% pay rise, if you take into account all these hours most teachers get less than the minimal wageso before you slate teachers take a look at all the facts DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 13

8:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DUCKFEEDER says...

master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning DUCKFEEDER
  • Score: 9

9:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

master plan says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
I sometimes leave for work Monday morning at 4am and don't return until Wednesday or Thursday at midnight getting little or no sleep or seeing my wife and kids. I don't get paid for the extra hours but I do it because I love my job and if she loves her job it shouldn't be an issue should it????
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]I sometimes leave for work Monday morning at 4am and don't return until Wednesday or Thursday at midnight getting little or no sleep or seeing my wife and kids. I don't get paid for the extra hours but I do it because I love my job and if she loves her job it shouldn't be an issue should it???? master plan
  • Score: -5

9:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

JB New Forest says...

cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
I am sorry but I totally disagree. It is the Labour government that look after the people and help the common man. I also disagree about children that are privately educated. If I thought for one minute a private education was better, my children would be in a private school! Academically they probably benefit, but education is so much more than that.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]I am sorry but I totally disagree. It is the Labour government that look after the people and help the common man. I also disagree about children that are privately educated. If I thought for one minute a private education was better, my children would be in a private school! Academically they probably benefit, but education is so much more than that. JB New Forest
  • Score: 1

9:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

stephy1990 says...

Phixer wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
Written like a true socialist; anybody who disagrees must be uneducated!

From my vast experience, professional people rarely go on strike; they're too busy providing a service to the people paying their salary.

You have the chance to strike every year if you choose to do so. Those poor kids coming up to exam time - quelle co-incidence! - only have one chance and you, a self-claimed 'professional', think nothing of screwing their chances.

Given the current economics, what are your chances of winning - or at least not losing money? No point striking if you're just going to lose money.

And, tell me, how much money will your full time salaried union officers lose during the strike? Typically they don't suffer and swan around on expenses in their fancy union cars - all paid for out of your subs, which are not reduced because you chose to strike.

Still, as long as you can sleep at night dreaming of fleecing hard-working parents of yet more tax money.
merely uneducated about the topic for discussion.
Teacher are not striking to get more money, and I for one most definitely do not work an easy job. i'm not moaning about my job, I love it and all the hard work I put in and hours I am not paid for (doing prep work, before school, lunch time and after school clubs, along with weekend fixtures and the whole week of my half term I will spend with 50 kids, which i'm not paid to do) are worth it in my opinion.
I work in the private sector so will not be striking, but I most definitely would be if I didn't work in private education.
Education is now about ticking boxes and filling in papers opposed to preparing your kids for life ahead, and this has come about by people who have no idea about the profession telling us how we should do our job!
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]Written like a true socialist; anybody who disagrees must be uneducated! From my vast experience, professional people rarely go on strike; they're too busy providing a service to the people paying their salary. You have the chance to strike every year if you choose to do so. Those poor kids coming up to exam time - quelle co-incidence! - only have one chance and you, a self-claimed 'professional', think nothing of screwing their chances. Given the current economics, what are your chances of winning - or at least not losing money? No point striking if you're just going to lose money. And, tell me, how much money will your full time salaried union officers lose during the strike? Typically they don't suffer and swan around on expenses in their fancy union cars - all paid for out of your subs, which are not reduced because you chose to strike. Still, as long as you can sleep at night dreaming of fleecing hard-working parents of yet more tax money.[/p][/quote]merely uneducated about the topic for discussion. Teacher are not striking to get more money, and I for one most definitely do not work an easy job. i'm not moaning about my job, I love it and all the hard work I put in and hours I am not paid for (doing prep work, before school, lunch time and after school clubs, along with weekend fixtures and the whole week of my half term I will spend with 50 kids, which i'm not paid to do) are worth it in my opinion. I work in the private sector so will not be striking, but I most definitely would be if I didn't work in private education. Education is now about ticking boxes and filling in papers opposed to preparing your kids for life ahead, and this has come about by people who have no idea about the profession telling us how we should do our job! stephy1990
  • Score: 8

9:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

booger says...

cromwell9 wrote:
SFF wrote:
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,
Cracking comment that.. I take it that it's so much harder in the 'real world'.. And yes, I work in the public sector. I get my hands dirty for a living. And my wife and I contribute to the 'real world' by running a couple of companies that employ those such as yourself who wish to work in the much harder private sector.. Get a life mush..
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.[/p][/quote]You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,[/p][/quote]Cracking comment that.. I take it that it's so much harder in the 'real world'.. And yes, I work in the public sector. I get my hands dirty for a living. And my wife and I contribute to the 'real world' by running a couple of companies that employ those such as yourself who wish to work in the much harder private sector.. Get a life mush.. booger
  • Score: 8

10:25pm Tue 25 Mar 14

boardsandphotos says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.
We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY.
The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so).
They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).
So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.[/p][/quote]We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY. The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so). They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).[/p][/quote]So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 11

11:04pm Tue 25 Mar 14

paul parkstone says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.
We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY.
The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so).
They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).
So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco?
Hehe....I think that you are giving him far too much credit! Let's hope he has a good Pention to look forward to when he retires from the food industry!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.[/p][/quote]We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY. The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so). They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).[/p][/quote]So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco?[/p][/quote]Hehe....I think that you are giving him far too much credit! Let's hope he has a good Pention to look forward to when he retires from the food industry! paul parkstone
  • Score: 8

11:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

John T says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.
We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY.
The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so).
They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).
So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco?
I know cromwell9 works at McDonalds because I heard this conversation there the other day:

cromwell9: Hello, can I take your order?

Teacher: I don't know, can you?
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I hope your name never becomes known to all those lazy nurses, doctors, cleaners and porters who work for much less than any teacher, they may refuse to treat you in your hour of need, and rightly so.[/p][/quote]We all have a part to play in this world,Every person has a job to do I am in the most important one FOOD INDUSTRY. The trouble with public Secter workers is they think they are above the rest of us,( I dont think so). They who PAY the piper calls the tune,( Private Secter).[/p][/quote]So which are you Counter staff at McDonalds or Checkout Supervisor at Tesco?[/p][/quote]I know cromwell9 works at McDonalds because I heard this conversation there the other day: cromwell9: Hello, can I take your order? Teacher: I don't know, can you? John T
  • Score: 14

7:30am Wed 26 Mar 14

imagine12 says...

it seems to be that parents expect teachers to work all the hrs god sends them to put up with the government kicking them each day. claiming that their pension is a gold mine. Parents should remember that that schools are not baby sitting circles . They are there to try and educate their little darlings. They have to put up with government changing the goal post at a whim, parents who scream threaten teachers when they cant get their own way. Ofsted who change there minds each visit & headteachers who are bullies & lie.. The salary for the head teacher of Bourn acad is nothing like what a normal teacher earns they earn a lot less. I AM NOT A TEACHER.
it seems to be that parents expect teachers to work all the hrs god sends them to put up with the government kicking them each day. claiming that their pension is a gold mine. Parents should remember that that schools are not baby sitting circles . They are there to try and educate their little darlings. They have to put up with government changing the goal post at a whim, parents who scream threaten teachers when they cant get their own way. Ofsted who change there minds each visit & headteachers who are bullies & lie.. The salary for the head teacher of Bourn acad is nothing like what a normal teacher earns they earn a lot less. I AM NOT A TEACHER. imagine12
  • Score: 4

7:30am Wed 26 Mar 14

susi.m says...

DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this.
I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.
[quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this. I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers. susi.m
  • Score: -7

8:06am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate? jafcb1988
  • Score: 6

8:09am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

booger wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
SFF wrote:
Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with.

I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to.

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better,

Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.
You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,
Cracking comment that.. I take it that it's so much harder in the 'real world'.. And yes, I work in the public sector. I get my hands dirty for a living. And my wife and I contribute to the 'real world' by running a couple of companies that employ those such as yourself who wish to work in the much harder private sector.. Get a life mush..
"Get a life mush"? School a big success for you was it!?
[quote][p][bold]booger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFF[/bold] wrote: Would like to show my support for teachers. I certainly would not like to do their job, with the lack of support with increasingly unruly kids, constantly changing legislation, high stress levels and masses of homework to cope with. I also think that standing up for your employment rights, sticking together and being prepared to lose a days pay and pension is a great lesson for kids. In the old days people who crossed a picket line and betrayed their colleagues were not people to be looked up to. Feel sorry for the kids whose parents are teaching them to be grateful for whatever pittance they can get and to never aspire to something better, Without trade unions we would not have weekends, maternity pay, sick pay and little children would still be going up chimneys.[/p][/quote]You would not last two minutes in the Private Secter,[/p][/quote]Cracking comment that.. I take it that it's so much harder in the 'real world'.. And yes, I work in the public sector. I get my hands dirty for a living. And my wife and I contribute to the 'real world' by running a couple of companies that employ those such as yourself who wish to work in the much harder private sector.. Get a life mush..[/p][/quote]"Get a life mush"? School a big success for you was it!? jafcb1988
  • Score: -2

8:11am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

master plan wrote:
I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach
Why aren't you a teacher then? Genuine question so please reply
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach[/p][/quote]Why aren't you a teacher then? Genuine question so please reply jafcb1988
  • Score: 4

8:12am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

mikeymagic wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?
I do turn up every day, I also excel. However my pay and conditions are also being ruined. Is that ok?
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?[/p][/quote]I do turn up every day, I also excel. However my pay and conditions are also being ruined. Is that ok? jafcb1988
  • Score: 1

8:21am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it.

Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education.

I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly.
Where have you met a teacher that cannot speak English?
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Armed Forces less pay, a long time for promotion, oh yes, have to fight in world theatres of war, because our government says so, then award a pay rise of 1%, but they cannot strike or argue about it. Teachers, 9 weeks holiday per year, no weekends or public holidays. If you have to strike, strike on one of your many days off, and not interupt our childrens education. I suppose there will be more strikes to come now that they have to teach 7 and over a foreign language. Should be fun when half the teachers cannot speak English correctly.[/p][/quote]Where have you met a teacher that cannot speak English? jafcb1988
  • Score: 2

8:23am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
Are you bitter because you cannot read or write? I would be happy to offer some tuition.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]Are you bitter because you cannot read or write? I would be happy to offer some tuition. jafcb1988
  • Score: 3

8:25am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

Hessenford wrote:
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research. jafcb1988
  • Score: 6

8:27am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
TinyLegacy wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.
I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem),
So you shot yourself strait in the foot.
So in that case you disagree with Gove's education policy I assume?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.[/p][/quote]I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem), So you shot yourself strait in the foot.[/p][/quote]So in that case you disagree with Gove's education policy I assume? jafcb1988
  • Score: 2

8:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

muscliffman wrote:
If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without.
Do you have a family? Or a job? Because the amount of nonsense that you always seem to write on the echo website makes me assume you must lack either, or perhaps both. You opinions are always ill informed and a bore to read.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without.[/p][/quote]Do you have a family? Or a job? Because the amount of nonsense that you always seem to write on the echo website makes me assume you must lack either, or perhaps both. You opinions are always ill informed and a bore to read. jafcb1988
  • Score: 4

9:21am Wed 26 Mar 14

live-and-let-live says...

genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties. live-and-let-live
  • Score: -5

9:28am Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
[quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people. jafcb1988
  • Score: 4

9:37am Wed 26 Mar 14

ifucantbeatemjoinem says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
A genuine question - not a slagging off - I don't do that but are the spelling and grammar mistakes deliberate?
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]A genuine question - not a slagging off - I don't do that but are the spelling and grammar mistakes deliberate? ifucantbeatemjoinem
  • Score: 5

9:47am Wed 26 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
TinyLegacy wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.
I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem),
So you shot yourself strait in the foot.
If you went to a secondary modern, that was when everyone took the 11 plus, which was a way of deciding and pushing people into the "correct" type if work when they left school.
.....
Secondary Modern: incapable of passing exams - suitable for factory or shop work.
........
Technical School: Could pass exams of the technical type - suitable for office work, engineering and other technical jobs.
......
Grammar School: Able to pass academic exams - suitable for teaching, medical, law and other such professions.
......
Fortunately we've come a long way since then and have realised that you can't pigeon-hole people or decide what they are capable of at such a young age. Hence comprehensive schools, which means that children are mixed up to develop as far as they can, but it also makes teaching much harder because you can have those who can cope easily and those who can't cope at all in the same classroom, the latter often causing disruption to the learning of the more able because they'd rather be doing something they can succeed at.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]I'm going to presume you didn't attend school based on your spelling and grammar.[/p][/quote]I went to a secondry modern school,(thats the problem), So you shot yourself strait in the foot.[/p][/quote]If you went to a secondary modern, that was when everyone took the 11 plus, which was a way of deciding and pushing people into the "correct" type if work when they left school. ..... Secondary Modern: incapable of passing exams - suitable for factory or shop work. ........ Technical School: Could pass exams of the technical type - suitable for office work, engineering and other technical jobs. ...... Grammar School: Able to pass academic exams - suitable for teaching, medical, law and other such professions. ...... Fortunately we've come a long way since then and have realised that you can't pigeon-hole people or decide what they are capable of at such a young age. Hence comprehensive schools, which means that children are mixed up to develop as far as they can, but it also makes teaching much harder because you can have those who can cope easily and those who can't cope at all in the same classroom, the latter often causing disruption to the learning of the more able because they'd rather be doing something they can succeed at. Carolyn43
  • Score: 7

10:13am Wed 26 Mar 14

joneshome says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing.

Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools.

Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you.

Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.[/p][/quote]I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing. Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools. Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you. Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom. joneshome
  • Score: 0

10:23am Wed 26 Mar 14

Eggydip says...

Although I admire most of the teachers at my son's school, and the tough job they do - which is like giving five or six stage performances a day - I do think this strike is misjudged and unmerited. Teachers are well paid, have a great career structure and are rewarded with lengthy holiday periods. What's not to like? If anything, this strike simply shows some of them up as greedy beggars who don't give a second thought to what most of us have been going through in this recession/hard times.
Although I admire most of the teachers at my son's school, and the tough job they do - which is like giving five or six stage performances a day - I do think this strike is misjudged and unmerited. Teachers are well paid, have a great career structure and are rewarded with lengthy holiday periods. What's not to like? If anything, this strike simply shows some of them up as greedy beggars who don't give a second thought to what most of us have been going through in this recession/hard times. Eggydip
  • Score: -5

10:36am Wed 26 Mar 14

Arthur Maureen says...

stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
Well, I run my own business, fairly well educated and think perhaps you chose the wrong profession if your already striking. The problem with a lot of graduates is they think the world owes them a living. Get on with the job, then perhaps more of the wider public would have more sympathy / respect for you..
[quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]Well, I run my own business, fairly well educated and think perhaps you chose the wrong profession if your already striking. The problem with a lot of graduates is they think the world owes them a living. Get on with the job, then perhaps more of the wider public would have more sympathy / respect for you.. Arthur Maureen
  • Score: -4

11:53am Wed 26 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
master plan wrote:
I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach
If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you?
I think we all know the answer to that one ;)
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach[/p][/quote]If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you?[/p][/quote]I think we all know the answer to that one ;) The Liberal
  • Score: 5

11:57am Wed 26 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without.
Do you have a family? Or a job? Because the amount of nonsense that you always seem to write on the echo website makes me assume you must lack either, or perhaps both. You opinions are always ill informed and a bore to read.
LOL. To be fair, though, muscliffman does have his uses: generally, if he is against something, it means it must be a good thing!
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If this strike achieves nothing else (and of course it won't) parents and School Heads will be able to identify the decent hard working vocational teachers and distinguish them clearly from the greedy, idle and repetitively militant ones - that is those which their own children and the UK education system would be far better off without.[/p][/quote]Do you have a family? Or a job? Because the amount of nonsense that you always seem to write on the echo website makes me assume you must lack either, or perhaps both. You opinions are always ill informed and a bore to read.[/p][/quote]LOL. To be fair, though, muscliffman does have his uses: generally, if he is against something, it means it must be a good thing! The Liberal
  • Score: 6

12:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

joneshome wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing.

Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools.

Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you.

Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.
That's just the problem: lots of excellent teachers are leaving the profession, most of them for the private sector. I think that should tell us something about the relative remuneration and working conditions.
[quote][p][bold]joneshome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.[/p][/quote]I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing. Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools. Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you. Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.[/p][/quote]That's just the problem: lots of excellent teachers are leaving the profession, most of them for the private sector. I think that should tell us something about the relative remuneration and working conditions. The Liberal
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Wed 26 Mar 14

colehillchancer says...

Oh dear, oh dear. Plenty of "shouty", boorish comments on both sides of the argument. Teaching is a vocation, few, if any see it for a final salary pension scheme and a long summer holiday. The job role has changed enormously in recent years, as have parents' expectations. The teaching itself is not the issue but more the administration; preparing student reports, marking homework and lesson planning. Ofsted will highlight the poor performing schools and the the teachers themselves, so unlike a previous generation, teachers are held to account (and rightly so) and just like the private sector, those not up to the job are soon ousted. Teachers are an easy target due to a lot of old-fashioned misconceptions about salaries and holidays. The facts are not as simple as that.
Oh dear, oh dear. Plenty of "shouty", boorish comments on both sides of the argument. Teaching is a vocation, few, if any see it for a final salary pension scheme and a long summer holiday. The job role has changed enormously in recent years, as have parents' expectations. The teaching itself is not the issue but more the administration; preparing student reports, marking homework and lesson planning. Ofsted will highlight the poor performing schools and the the teachers themselves, so unlike a previous generation, teachers are held to account (and rightly so) and just like the private sector, those not up to the job are soon ousted. Teachers are an easy target due to a lot of old-fashioned misconceptions about salaries and holidays. The facts are not as simple as that. colehillchancer
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Wed 26 Mar 14

jafcb1988 says...

joneshome wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing.

Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools.

Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you.

Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.
If everyone had that view then those in power could do whatever they wanted couldn't they? I would worry if teachers cared so little about the children they teach that they wouldn't strike, because forcing good teachers out of a job does not help children learn, it leaves them without competent teachers. As for the leftie comment it was in response. I do however, firmly believe that someone who uses the term leftie as an offence should be well out of education.
[quote][p][bold]joneshome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.[/p][/quote]I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing. Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools. Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you. Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.[/p][/quote]If everyone had that view then those in power could do whatever they wanted couldn't they? I would worry if teachers cared so little about the children they teach that they wouldn't strike, because forcing good teachers out of a job does not help children learn, it leaves them without competent teachers. As for the leftie comment it was in response. I do however, firmly believe that someone who uses the term leftie as an offence should be well out of education. jafcb1988
  • Score: 1

2:55pm Wed 26 Mar 14

sammmymac says...

susi.m wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this.
I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.
...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this. I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.[/p][/quote]...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking. sammmymac
  • Score: 7

3:48pm Wed 26 Mar 14

apm1954 says...

lazy or what.
lazy or what. apm1954
  • Score: -2

4:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

joneshome says...

The Liberal wrote:
joneshome wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing.

Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools.

Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you.

Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.
That's just the problem: lots of excellent teachers are leaving the profession, most of them for the private sector. I think that should tell us something about the relative remuneration and working conditions.
Really? I haven't seen any evidence of it at the school my children go to.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joneshome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.[/p][/quote]I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing. Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools. Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you. Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.[/p][/quote]That's just the problem: lots of excellent teachers are leaving the profession, most of them for the private sector. I think that should tell us something about the relative remuneration and working conditions.[/p][/quote]Really? I haven't seen any evidence of it at the school my children go to. joneshome
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Wed 26 Mar 14

joneshome says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
joneshome wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
live-and-let-live wrote:
genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.
Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.
I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing.

Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools.

Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you.

Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.
If everyone had that view then those in power could do whatever they wanted couldn't they? I would worry if teachers cared so little about the children they teach that they wouldn't strike, because forcing good teachers out of a job does not help children learn, it leaves them without competent teachers. As for the leftie comment it was in response. I do however, firmly believe that someone who uses the term leftie as an offence should be well out of education.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Teachers leaving in droves would not enable "those in power" to do what they wanted. They would have to respond to resolve the problem. Schools can't operate without teachers.

Teachers are not leaving in droves, Teach First is able to recruit top graduates to the profession, and Ofsted appears to be listening. Yes you have it stressful, but I promise you so do the vast majority of the working population.

So teachers strike because they care about the children. They are very misguided if they believe this.

In your response to the "leftie" person you were equally rude about people who are "right-wing". Do two wrongs make a right?
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joneshome[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]live-and-let-live[/bold] wrote: genuine hardship as seen in the 1930's -50's is the only real reason to strike .i'm glad i dont have children at school getting "educated" by these namby-pamby whining lefties.[/p][/quote]Why "educated"? I personally am glad educators are lefties. Being right wing is nothing to be proud of and certainly not something that should be pushed onto young people.[/p][/quote]I would hope all teachers keep their personal political views out of teaching, whether they are "left-wing", "right-wing", or like most of us somewhere in the middle. Your "I personally am glad educators are lefties" comment is disturbing. Teachers work hard, and it is not a job I would want to do. But no one makes them stay in their job. If you don't like it leave. If enough teachers did leave this would force their employers to look at pay and conditions and amend them to attract the ex-teachers back into schools. Striking does not set a good example to children, and it does impact on those studying for GCSE and A Levels. It won't change anything and is akin to a petulant child having a strop. It undermines your credibility and damages the opinion the rest of us hold of you. Every job has good and bad points. If you don't enjoy your job, change job rather than hold the future of the children you teach to ransom.[/p][/quote]If everyone had that view then those in power could do whatever they wanted couldn't they? I would worry if teachers cared so little about the children they teach that they wouldn't strike, because forcing good teachers out of a job does not help children learn, it leaves them without competent teachers. As for the leftie comment it was in response. I do however, firmly believe that someone who uses the term leftie as an offence should be well out of education.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. Teachers leaving in droves would not enable "those in power" to do what they wanted. They would have to respond to resolve the problem. Schools can't operate without teachers. Teachers are not leaving in droves, Teach First is able to recruit top graduates to the profession, and Ofsted appears to be listening. Yes you have it stressful, but I promise you so do the vast majority of the working population. So teachers strike because they care about the children. They are very misguided if they believe this. In your response to the "leftie" person you were equally rude about people who are "right-wing". Do two wrongs make a right? joneshome
  • Score: -2

5:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

SurfReefFunTime says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
master plan wrote:
I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach
If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you?
This is pretty much spot on. I also work in public sector and have worked in schools previously.

The benefits are more than good if you can handle the above + the constant mental grind and stress! 13 weeks holiday, good pay when you rise through your pay increments and if your good at managing your time you will have a lot of time spare!

They shouldn't be striking they have it good!! It causes a massive headache to everyone else apart from those who are trying to get to work. It seems most of the traffic is school run mums in their jeeps! Let them walk, ride of catch the bus!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I would happily be a teacher on what they get paid stop the greed and get on and teach[/p][/quote]If you've got a degree, can get through the interviews, are good at keeping records, can control 30 children at a time, are good at communication with both adults and children, can motivate the uninterested and are prepared to learn how to teach, what's stopping you?[/p][/quote]This is pretty much spot on. I also work in public sector and have worked in schools previously. The benefits are more than good if you can handle the above + the constant mental grind and stress! 13 weeks holiday, good pay when you rise through your pay increments and if your good at managing your time you will have a lot of time spare! They shouldn't be striking they have it good!! It causes a massive headache to everyone else apart from those who are trying to get to work. It seems most of the traffic is school run mums in their jeeps! Let them walk, ride of catch the bus!!!! SurfReefFunTime
  • Score: -3

7:06pm Wed 26 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

master plan wrote:
Not again !! wrote:
It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support.
If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.
How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage??

At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303.

High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals.
As I pointed out on the related story, the starting salary for teachers is actually low compared to that for graduates in other industries/sectors. I don't know why you keep repeating this myth (copy and pasted from the DoE website, no less), but it simply isn't true.
 
And there you go again, misleadingly quoting maximum salaries for 'leading practitioners' – a specialised leadership role only available to the most experienced and outstanding teachers.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Not again !![/bold] wrote: It would appear that the same old bunch of 'have nots' continuing with their never ending race to the bottom. If it's that cushy being a teacher then we would all be fighting for their jobs. The teachers that I know have all been hard working and very motivated. Just because someone has the balls to fight for what they are entitled to doesn't make them lazy or greedy, it probably means they feel they are being treated badly. Once again, those going on strike will not have made this decision easily and they have my full support. If we continue with this argument of 'I don't get that so why should you', then we will all end up on the minimum wage.[/p][/quote]How the hell is that going to be a minimum wage?? At a minimum of £21,804 (or £27,270 in inner London), the starting salary in teaching is high compared to other graduate starting salaries. Leading practitioners can earn up to £64,677 in London and £57,520 outside London, while head teachers can reach a salary of between £42,803 and £113,303. High performing teachers can progress faster up the pay ranges on the basis of annual appraisals.[/p][/quote]As I pointed out on the related story, the starting salary for teachers is actually low compared to that for graduates in other industries/sectors. I don't know why you keep repeating this myth (copy and pasted from the DoE website, no less), but it simply isn't true.   And there you go again, misleadingly quoting maximum salaries for 'leading practitioners' – a specialised leadership role only available to the most experienced and outstanding teachers. The Liberal
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Abc1970 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Firstly I suggest you do your homework...
Secondly what is a Pention?
Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you?

Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension.

I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions.

You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits.

Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more!
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Firstly I suggest you do your homework... Secondly what is a Pention? Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you? Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension. I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions. You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits. Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more! Abc1970
  • Score: 1

8:11pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Abc1970 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Firstly I suggest you do your homework...
Secondly what is a Pention?
Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you?

Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension.

I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions.

You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits.

Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more!
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Firstly I suggest you do your homework... Secondly what is a Pention? Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you? Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension. I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions. You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits. Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more! Abc1970
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Wed 26 Mar 14

sezzler says...

mikeymagic wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?
On the contrary... it tells us how totally ignorant people are. Gove is totally ruining education for our children. It plays right into his hands having Joe Public criticize teachers.
The demands on teachers are greater than ever. I remember 16 years ago when I started, many teachers were leaving the profession due to excessive workload. I knew what I was getting into, but things have got so much worse. 40% of teachers give up in the first 5 years and apparently suicide rates for teachers have risen by 80%. (According to a recent newspaper article). Teachers constantly leaving the profession, being burnt out from overwork is not good for our children.
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?[/p][/quote]On the contrary... it tells us how totally ignorant people are. Gove is totally ruining education for our children. It plays right into his hands having Joe Public criticize teachers. The demands on teachers are greater than ever. I remember 16 years ago when I started, many teachers were leaving the profession due to excessive workload. I knew what I was getting into, but things have got so much worse. 40% of teachers give up in the first 5 years and apparently suicide rates for teachers have risen by 80%. (According to a recent newspaper article). Teachers constantly leaving the profession, being burnt out from overwork is not good for our children. sezzler
  • Score: 1

10:26pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.
Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays.
The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases.
I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays. The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases. I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good. Hessenford
  • Score: -4

11:18pm Wed 26 Mar 14

sezzler says...

Hessenford wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.
Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays.
The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases.
I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.
Don't try to pitch hard working professionals against each other. Nurses work hard and are as poorly treated as teachers.
You should know that we are subject to abuse and aggression from parents and pupils. We also don't work set hours each week and our hours can be in excess of 60 per week. We also take our work home with us. Literally and metaphorically (in the same way as nurses do) worrying about pupils etc.
Finally, when will you learn that teachers get paid for 1285 hours a year and we are NOT paid for the 13 weeks holiday you all rant about?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays. The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases. I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.[/p][/quote]Don't try to pitch hard working professionals against each other. Nurses work hard and are as poorly treated as teachers. You should know that we are subject to abuse and aggression from parents and pupils. We also don't work set hours each week and our hours can be in excess of 60 per week. We also take our work home with us. Literally and metaphorically (in the same way as nurses do) worrying about pupils etc. Finally, when will you learn that teachers get paid for 1285 hours a year and we are NOT paid for the 13 weeks holiday you all rant about? sezzler
  • Score: 2

12:00am Thu 27 Mar 14

Hessenford says...

sezzler wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.
Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays.
The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases.
I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.
Don't try to pitch hard working professionals against each other. Nurses work hard and are as poorly treated as teachers.
You should know that we are subject to abuse and aggression from parents and pupils. We also don't work set hours each week and our hours can be in excess of 60 per week. We also take our work home with us. Literally and metaphorically (in the same way as nurses do) worrying about pupils etc.
Finally, when will you learn that teachers get paid for 1285 hours a year and we are NOT paid for the 13 weeks holiday you all rant about?
Yea right, so teachers are paid the same annual salary as nurses but receive 13 weeks holiday, you're words, my heart bleeds.
[quote][p][bold]sezzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays. The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases. I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.[/p][/quote]Don't try to pitch hard working professionals against each other. Nurses work hard and are as poorly treated as teachers. You should know that we are subject to abuse and aggression from parents and pupils. We also don't work set hours each week and our hours can be in excess of 60 per week. We also take our work home with us. Literally and metaphorically (in the same way as nurses do) worrying about pupils etc. Finally, when will you learn that teachers get paid for 1285 hours a year and we are NOT paid for the 13 weeks holiday you all rant about?[/p][/quote]Yea right, so teachers are paid the same annual salary as nurses but receive 13 weeks holiday, you're words, my heart bleeds. Hessenford
  • Score: -5

8:04am Thu 27 Mar 14

jill M says...

Teachers have a tough job to do, mainly caused by the ever increasing indifferent attitude by many parents to their children s education. I m not a teacher, but some of my relatives are, one has been verbally threatened by a parent, because she dared to give his child a detention for his appalling behaviour , a child at my granddaughters school had to be removed from assembly after telling a teacher to eff off , after he d been told to behave himself, and this is a six year old child!
I know I m old, but we were taught to respect our teachers, and respect our parents, I wouldn't t have dared to misbehave in school, because i would have been in trouble when I got home as well.
My dad was a teacher, he spent most evenings marking schoolwork, most Saturdays involved in school sport, and he was glad he retired when he did, in the eighties, because he could see pupils behaviour changing.
I m not in agreement with teachers striking, but I do appreciate the fact that they have an ever increasingly difficult job to do, I wouldn't want to be a teacher these days for all the tea in China.
Teachers have a tough job to do, mainly caused by the ever increasing indifferent attitude by many parents to their children s education. I m not a teacher, but some of my relatives are, one has been verbally threatened by a parent, because she dared to give his child a detention for his appalling behaviour , a child at my granddaughters school had to be removed from assembly after telling a teacher to eff off , after he d been told to behave himself, and this is a six year old child! I know I m old, but we were taught to respect our teachers, and respect our parents, I wouldn't t have dared to misbehave in school, because i would have been in trouble when I got home as well. My dad was a teacher, he spent most evenings marking schoolwork, most Saturdays involved in school sport, and he was glad he retired when he did, in the eighties, because he could see pupils behaviour changing. I m not in agreement with teachers striking, but I do appreciate the fact that they have an ever increasingly difficult job to do, I wouldn't want to be a teacher these days for all the tea in China. jill M
  • Score: 2

7:57pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

jill M wrote:
Teachers have a tough job to do, mainly caused by the ever increasing indifferent attitude by many parents to their children s education. I m not a teacher, but some of my relatives are, one has been verbally threatened by a parent, because she dared to give his child a detention for his appalling behaviour , a child at my granddaughters school had to be removed from assembly after telling a teacher to eff off , after he d been told to behave himself, and this is a six year old child!
I know I m old, but we were taught to respect our teachers, and respect our parents, I wouldn't t have dared to misbehave in school, because i would have been in trouble when I got home as well.
My dad was a teacher, he spent most evenings marking schoolwork, most Saturdays involved in school sport, and he was glad he retired when he did, in the eighties, because he could see pupils behaviour changing.
I m not in agreement with teachers striking, but I do appreciate the fact that they have an ever increasingly difficult job to do, I wouldn't want to be a teacher these days for all the tea in China.
Yiu can thank Labour/LibDems ,for the uk they have created since 1964.
Yes the torys were in power as well ,But it was when Labour ran the country we became a nanny ,benifet country,with no disipline,Family life undermined by Labour and the Lib Dems,
These two partys have destroyed the family unit ,and GB.
I bet all you women will vote Labour back in again, for another dose of the same,,
You deserve eachother ,GOOD LUCK
[quote][p][bold]jill M[/bold] wrote: Teachers have a tough job to do, mainly caused by the ever increasing indifferent attitude by many parents to their children s education. I m not a teacher, but some of my relatives are, one has been verbally threatened by a parent, because she dared to give his child a detention for his appalling behaviour , a child at my granddaughters school had to be removed from assembly after telling a teacher to eff off , after he d been told to behave himself, and this is a six year old child! I know I m old, but we were taught to respect our teachers, and respect our parents, I wouldn't t have dared to misbehave in school, because i would have been in trouble when I got home as well. My dad was a teacher, he spent most evenings marking schoolwork, most Saturdays involved in school sport, and he was glad he retired when he did, in the eighties, because he could see pupils behaviour changing. I m not in agreement with teachers striking, but I do appreciate the fact that they have an ever increasingly difficult job to do, I wouldn't want to be a teacher these days for all the tea in China.[/p][/quote]Yiu can thank Labour/LibDems ,for the uk they have created since 1964. Yes the torys were in power as well ,But it was when Labour ran the country we became a nanny ,benifet country,with no disipline,Family life undermined by Labour and the Lib Dems, These two partys have destroyed the family unit ,and GB. I bet all you women will vote Labour back in again, for another dose of the same,, You deserve eachother ,GOOD LUCK cromwell9
  • Score: -3

8:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

sezzler wrote:
mikeymagic wrote:
stephy1990 wrote:
shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!!
If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?
On the contrary... it tells us how totally ignorant people are. Gove is totally ruining education for our children. It plays right into his hands having Joe Public criticize teachers.
The demands on teachers are greater than ever. I remember 16 years ago when I started, many teachers were leaving the profession due to excessive workload. I knew what I was getting into, but things have got so much worse. 40% of teachers give up in the first 5 years and apparently suicide rates for teachers have risen by 80%. (According to a recent newspaper article). Teachers constantly leaving the profession, being burnt out from overwork is not good for our children.
Parents today would like the State Teachers to be as dedicated as the Private ones,Including after school clubs,
We want you to step up to there standard of education,and comitment.
So why dont you,
If I had enough money All my children would of been taken out of stae run schools,And given a proper education in a private one,
If all the children from all backgrounds were taught in the private secter ,very few would fail.
In Germany and Japan ,all children are educated until they learn,
[quote][p][bold]sezzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stephy1990[/bold] wrote: shock! lots of highly uneducated people giving their 2 pence worth on issues they are not fully aware of! We are fighting to save our profession! And as a new teacher I wish the perk of my job were really what people think they are!!!![/p][/quote]If you want to fight for your job then turn up every day and excel. Does the lack of sympathy tell you nothing?[/p][/quote]On the contrary... it tells us how totally ignorant people are. Gove is totally ruining education for our children. It plays right into his hands having Joe Public criticize teachers. The demands on teachers are greater than ever. I remember 16 years ago when I started, many teachers were leaving the profession due to excessive workload. I knew what I was getting into, but things have got so much worse. 40% of teachers give up in the first 5 years and apparently suicide rates for teachers have risen by 80%. (According to a recent newspaper article). Teachers constantly leaving the profession, being burnt out from overwork is not good for our children.[/p][/quote]Parents today would like the State Teachers to be as dedicated as the Private ones,Including after school clubs, We want you to step up to there standard of education,and comitment. So why dont you, If I had enough money All my children would of been taken out of stae run schools,And given a proper education in a private one, If all the children from all backgrounds were taught in the private secter ,very few would fail. In Germany and Japan ,all children are educated until they learn, cromwell9
  • Score: -2

8:21pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Abc1970 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Firstly I suggest you do your homework...
Secondly what is a Pention?
Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you?

Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension.

I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions.

You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits.

Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more!
Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension.
Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up,
You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet.
The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef
[quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Firstly I suggest you do your homework... Secondly what is a Pention? Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you? Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension. I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions. You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits. Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more![/p][/quote]Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension. Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up, You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet. The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef cromwell9
  • Score: -4

8:26pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

sammmymac wrote:
susi.m wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this.
I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.
...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.
A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter,
[quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this. I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.[/p][/quote]...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.[/p][/quote]A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter, cromwell9
  • Score: -3

8:33pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

ifucantbeatemjoinem wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
A genuine question - not a slagging off - I don't do that but are the spelling and grammar mistakes deliberate?
MAYBEE,
[quote][p][bold]ifucantbeatemjoinem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]A genuine question - not a slagging off - I don't do that but are the spelling and grammar mistakes deliberate?[/p][/quote]MAYBEE, cromwell9
  • Score: -3

8:36pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
JB New Forest wrote:
Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home!
We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write,
13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that,
It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either,
As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home ,
That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems,
Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it
Are you bitter because you cannot read or write? I would be happy to offer some tuition.
THe Truth hurts ,You just cant take it.
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JB New Forest[/bold] wrote: Well done teachers for standing up for your rights. I for one, appreciate what you are doing for the next generation - thank you. I have been phoned, several times over the past few days, due to a school exchange trip in progress, by my daughters teacher, at the weekend and late evening, is this not a dedicated teacher? Can you not imagine what this country would be like, if we didn't have people allowed to stand up for their rights? We would still have little children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home![/p][/quote]We have over 1 million young people for no fought of their own who can hardly read or write, 13 yrs of Labours Teachers are reasponsable for that, It would not have happend if those chidren were educated in the private secter,And you would not be going on strike either, As regards Children up chimneys and women forced to stay at home , That is what you are going to get when you vote Labour /Lib Dems, Because if things keep going as they are ,in 40 yrs this country will be a Islamic State ,So think about it[/p][/quote]Are you bitter because you cannot read or write? I would be happy to offer some tuition.[/p][/quote]THe Truth hurts ,You just cant take it. cromwell9
  • Score: -2

8:43pm Thu 27 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

jafcb1988 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?
At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work ,
There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job .
The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,?
[quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?[/p][/quote]At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work , There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job . The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,? cromwell9
  • Score: -4

8:48pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Abc1970 says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Abc1970 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Firstly I suggest you do your homework...
Secondly what is a Pention?
Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you?

Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension.

I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions.

You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits.

Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more!
Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension.
Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up,
You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet.
The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef
IT'S IN THE DAILY MAIL???? Oh my goodness, it must be true then. Obviously you are fully aware that the Daily Fail are in favour of privatisation of ALL public services don't you, their excuses for articles are therefore slightly one sided and are mainly based on opinion. I would not call a few Daily Fail articles solid evidence.

Pathetic argument, try again, and I'm afraid, still no marks for grammar and punctuation.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Firstly I suggest you do your homework... Secondly what is a Pention? Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you? Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension. I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions. You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits. Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more![/p][/quote]Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension. Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up, You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet. The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef[/p][/quote]IT'S IN THE DAILY MAIL???? Oh my goodness, it must be true then. Obviously you are fully aware that the Daily Fail are in favour of privatisation of ALL public services don't you, their excuses for articles are therefore slightly one sided and are mainly based on opinion. I would not call a few Daily Fail articles solid evidence. Pathetic argument, try again, and I'm afraid, still no marks for grammar and punctuation. Abc1970
  • Score: 1

9:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

cromwell9 wrote:
sammmymac wrote:
susi.m wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this.
I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.
...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.
A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter,
You must be kidding. Do you know how much teachers at private schools get paid? A lot of them aren't even qualified. The main advantage private schools have is a lower pupil-to-teacher ratio, not better teachers.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this. I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.[/p][/quote]...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.[/p][/quote]A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter,[/p][/quote]You must be kidding. Do you know how much teachers at private schools get paid? A lot of them aren't even qualified. The main advantage private schools have is a lower pupil-to-teacher ratio, not better teachers. The Liberal
  • Score: 2

9:16pm Thu 27 Mar 14

The Liberal says...

cromwell9 wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?
At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work ,
There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job .
The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,?
A laughable comment from someone who is clearly not to be taken seriously.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?[/p][/quote]At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work , There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job . The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,?[/p][/quote]A laughable comment from someone who is clearly not to be taken seriously. The Liberal
  • Score: 1

1:46pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Dorset Logic says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
I agree, and you have backed up your argument about Teachers in a very ironic way.
Pention
Secter
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]I agree, and you have backed up your argument about Teachers in a very ironic way. Pention Secter Dorset Logic
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

The Liberal wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?
At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work ,
There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job .
The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,?
A laughable comment from someone who is clearly not to be taken seriously.
I am deadly serious,
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Get the Poles in? What kind of person are you? Do you have the ability to think or do you just hate?[/p][/quote]At least they will turn up on time ,and do a hard days work , There are Plenty of great Polish teachers waiting to come over and do your job . The trouble is ,they cant get past your Labour Unions to get there,?[/p][/quote]A laughable comment from someone who is clearly not to be taken seriously.[/p][/quote]I am deadly serious, cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:20pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

The Liberal wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
sammmymac wrote:
susi.m wrote:
DUCKFEEDER wrote:
master plan wrote:
Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !!
it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning
The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this.
I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.
...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.
A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter,
You must be kidding. Do you know how much teachers at private schools get paid? A lot of them aren't even qualified. The main advantage private schools have is a lower pupil-to-teacher ratio, not better teachers.
Lets do it then,
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DUCKFEEDER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Teachers are just getting greedy it's always about pay or pension. But seen what some teachers get paid and they all seem to have new cars I can't see what they are complaining about!! Just get on with your job !![/p][/quote]it is now 8.30pm and my wife is still marking papers after leaving for work at 7.00am this morning[/p][/quote]The very long holidays and decent pay compensate for this. I suggest that if she and others are not happy in their work they should resign and apply for new jobs in another field. They will then get the standard 4-5 weeks holiday and work a 37-45 hour week like the rest of us. Probably for less pay than they are on teaching though. Teachers do have choice - they do not have to remain teachers.[/p][/quote]...yes you're right they do have a choice and shockingly after 2 years 40% of newly trained teachers make that choice and leave! Meaninf more tax payers money being spent on training up yet more teachers! This is why the profession is in crisis and this is one reason for the strike..the future of education is at risk due to the intolerable working conditions meaning high staff turnover meaning poor education..for the future generations of this country. Many teachers want to make the job do-able and bearable so they are striking.[/p][/quote]A lot of Teachers,in the state system, would not get past the Interview in the Private Secter,[/p][/quote]You must be kidding. Do you know how much teachers at private schools get paid? A lot of them aren't even qualified. The main advantage private schools have is a lower pupil-to-teacher ratio, not better teachers.[/p][/quote]Lets do it then, cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:31pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Abc1970 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Abc1970 wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
Teachers are Public Secter Workers.
What did you exspect,
Over paid,
Too many holidays
Too much sick pay.
Far to much Pention,
And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note.
30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot
Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out.
Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money.
And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH.
Sack them and get the POLES in ,
This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR.
As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers
Firstly I suggest you do your homework...
Secondly what is a Pention?
Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you?

Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension.

I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions.

You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits.

Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more!
Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension.
Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up,
You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet.
The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef
IT'S IN THE DAILY MAIL???? Oh my goodness, it must be true then. Obviously you are fully aware that the Daily Fail are in favour of privatisation of ALL public services don't you, their excuses for articles are therefore slightly one sided and are mainly based on opinion. I would not call a few Daily Fail articles solid evidence.

Pathetic argument, try again, and I'm afraid, still no marks for grammar and punctuation.
The reason it is short on grammer,is because I focused on the main points ,
Thats what you do in advertising,.To much info and you dont understand the message,That is why I wrote the article the way I did ,To get your attention,
I think you have just lost the argument to the Private Secter
[quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Teachers are Public Secter Workers. What did you exspect, Over paid, Too many holidays Too much sick pay. Far to much Pention, And before any person come on here slagging me off,Take note. 30% of our Council Tax goes to your Pention Pot Every £1 you pay in ,you take £4 out. Any worker in the Private Secter,Retiring on a Teachers Pention ,would have to pay in £1000000 (million).of their own money. And you are going on STRIKE,Your having a LAUGH. Sack them and get the POLES in , This is what you get for voting LIB DEM /LABOUR. As soon as they get back in they will be putting the Council Tax up by 10% every year to pay for the lazy ungratefull Public Secter Workers[/p][/quote]Firstly I suggest you do your homework... Secondly what is a Pention? Thirdly, you do know that public sector workers also pay income tax, national insurance and council tax don't you? Pension (notice how to spell it correctly) contributions are not free of charge, public sector workers have to pay into their pension pots and it is a larger contribution that you may think. They have the ability to opt out and if they opt out they don't get anything other than state pension. I can assure you that nowhere near 30% of council tax goes to public sector worker pensions. You are more than welcome to apply for a job within the public sector if you like, that way you can receive the benefits. Finally I would like to point out that public sector workers are exactly that, they work for and serve the community that they are in. Just imagine how everybody would cope if there was nobody carry out all of those public services, the private sector would pick up the work and charge the tax payer significantly more![/p][/quote]Sorry about the miss spelling of Pension. Yes all I wrote is the truth, I have the Evidence in my study to back it up, You can also find it yourself,Its ,all on the Internet. The Daily Mail ,Did loads of reaserch on the Public Secter.Its all in black and white,I would suggest you tap into GOOLE and look for yourslef[/p][/quote]IT'S IN THE DAILY MAIL???? Oh my goodness, it must be true then. Obviously you are fully aware that the Daily Fail are in favour of privatisation of ALL public services don't you, their excuses for articles are therefore slightly one sided and are mainly based on opinion. I would not call a few Daily Fail articles solid evidence. Pathetic argument, try again, and I'm afraid, still no marks for grammar and punctuation.[/p][/quote]The reason it is short on grammer,is because I focused on the main points , Thats what you do in advertising,.To much info and you dont understand the message,That is why I wrote the article the way I did ,To get your attention, I think you have just lost the argument to the Private Secter cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:43pm Fri 28 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Hessenford wrote:
jafcb1988 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.
Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.
Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays.
The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases.
I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.
Well Said,
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jafcb1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: Teachers pay rates, much better than other public service pay, get on with your job and stop moaning, consider yourself lucky that you are in an employment that allows you to progress to a wage that nurses and other NHS workers can only dream of.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on the same wage as teachers and progress as quickly. Do some research.[/p][/quote]Qualified nurses start on £500 per year less and have to work shifts which includes night working, you do some research, they also have to work weekends and bank holidays. The job also includes being attacked by violent and aggressive patients and being abused by aggressive relatives in some cases. I would say that nurses have more cause for striking over pay and conditions but they never would, nurses also do not get the luxury of half term holidays and six week summer holidays, teachers have never had it so good.[/p][/quote]Well Said, cromwell9
  • Score: -1

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