Police hunt for wanted man seen on rooftop in Bournemouth town centre

Bournemouth Echo: Police hunt for wanted man seen on rooftop in Bournemouth town centre Police hunt for wanted man seen on rooftop in Bournemouth town centre

POLICE swooped on Bournemouth town centre yesterday lunchtime in the hunt for a wanted man who was believed to have been spotted on a roof.

The police helicopter was seen hovering above the Odeon cinema and Premier Inn on Westover Road at 1.35pm.

A spokesperson for Dorset Police said the helicopter was assisting with an "arrest enquiry" but that no one has been arrested following the search.

See how the drama unfolded in our live coverage here

The National Police Air Service in Winfrith said they were assisting Dorset Police in the search for a wanted person in Bournemouth town centre, but that the area had been cleared.

Officers were seen encircling the area in marked and unmarked police cars for over an hour and a search was carried out in the alleyways leading from Hinton Road.

Stephen Muzzelle, manager of the Fun Central arcade in Westover Road, said: “I got back here about 2.10pm and there was quite a commotion with five or six police cars outside, and the helicopter circling.

“People said there was someone on the roof, above us or the Odeon. The police were staring at the roof as they went past as well.

“I have no idea how anyone could have got up there, but the police didn’t come in here and we saw no one, so whether he got away or not I don’t know.”

Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man.

Terry Burton from Westover Gallery said: “I heard the noise of the helicopter and saw numerous police cars. I can't believe someone would be stupid enough to climb up on the roof.”

Resident Sam Norton said: “Police were circling the area for a long time. It's terrifying that they're searching for a wanted man.”

Sophie Bower, from Rafael Hair Design said: “People keep coming in here and asking about it. It is so shocking that someone was seen on the roof.”

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4:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

hooplaa says...

'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out!
'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out! hooplaa
  • Score: 25

4:40pm Tue 28 Jan 14

paul parkstone says...

It seems that the " wanted man Terry Burton" was brazen enough to give an interview to the Echo!
It seems that the " wanted man Terry Burton" was brazen enough to give an interview to the Echo! paul parkstone
  • Score: 20

4:58pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

"Swooped"........nic
e one echo, but please can I read a 'pounced' headline soon. Thanks expectantly.
"Swooped"........nic e one echo, but please can I read a 'pounced' headline soon. Thanks expectantly. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 8

5:20pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Peroni says...

It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!! Peroni
  • Score: -28

5:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

Its easy to get on the roof of the odeon, why all the shock? And was this person,wanted because they were on the roof or for another reason? You would be surprised how many people go up there, its a great vantage point for photos of Bournemouth. Any description of the wanted person or alleged offence?
Its easy to get on the roof of the odeon, why all the shock? And was this person,wanted because they were on the roof or for another reason? You would be surprised how many people go up there, its a great vantage point for photos of Bournemouth. Any description of the wanted person or alleged offence? Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 15

5:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

baylin says...

What is shocking about man on roof top ?
What is shocking about man on roof top ? baylin
  • Score: 18

6:12pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Azphreal says...

The police helicopter was also hovering around the area of the old Burlington Hotel in Boscombe as well.
The police helicopter was also hovering around the area of the old Burlington Hotel in Boscombe as well. Azphreal
  • Score: 4

6:25pm Tue 28 Jan 14

allopinionscount says...

Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
What past record do Dorset Firearms Team have? Silly comment from an uninformed person.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]What past record do Dorset Firearms Team have? Silly comment from an uninformed person. allopinionscount
  • Score: 20

6:34pm Tue 28 Jan 14

GAHmusic says...

How was he spotted and how did they know he was wanted? I wonder if this pursuit started before the rooftop drama? Some facts would be nice.
How was he spotted and how did they know he was wanted? I wonder if this pursuit started before the rooftop drama? Some facts would be nice. GAHmusic
  • Score: 9

6:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm! Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 8

8:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Just_Sayin' says...

“Police were circling the area for a long time. It's terrifying that they're searching for a wanted man.”

Really? 'Terrifying'. How very dramatic.
“Police were circling the area for a long time. It's terrifying that they're searching for a wanted man.” Really? 'Terrifying'. How very dramatic. Just_Sayin'
  • Score: 13

9:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

hooplaa says...

Who actually saw him on the roof?! Echo making things up again!!!
Who actually saw him on the roof?! Echo making things up again!!! hooplaa
  • Score: 12

10:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Yankee1 says...

Just another day in Bournemouth.........
....

Will the tourist board publicise this story?
Just another day in Bournemouth......... .... Will the tourist board publicise this story? Yankee1
  • Score: 1

6:54am Wed 29 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Sure I read a topless man was arrested at 15,30 ?
Sure I read a topless man was arrested at 15,30 ? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 5

9:12am Wed 29 Jan 14

static kill says...

Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though. static kill
  • Score: -11

12:20pm Wed 29 Jan 14

steelpaul says...

static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved
[quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved steelpaul
  • Score: 9

12:40pm Wed 29 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin
g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
[quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 12

12:42pm Wed 29 Jan 14

John T says...

Isn't it time the Echo 'swooped' and let readers know the outcome of this manhunt....or, at least, remove this item from top-billing on this site. After all, I believe the Echo still regards itself as a NEWSPAPER not an historic archive.
Isn't it time the Echo 'swooped' and let readers know the outcome of this manhunt....or, at least, remove this item from top-billing on this site. After all, I believe the Echo still regards itself as a NEWSPAPER not an historic archive. John T
  • Score: 12

1:08pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin

g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
Couldn't have been made any clearer. Well researched and said. Should shut some people up. Carrying a firearm in public in this country has no excuse, even with a licence you should not have it in public. If you are carrying a firearm on our streets the police should have every right to open fire if they feel you are a threat.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have been made any clearer. Well researched and said. Should shut some people up. Carrying a firearm in public in this country has no excuse, even with a licence you should not have it in public. If you are carrying a firearm on our streets the police should have every right to open fire if they feel you are a threat. Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 7

1:23pm Wed 29 Jan 14

static kill says...

steelpaul wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved
I agree he got what he deserve. However it is not acceptable for the police to shoot unarmed people, which is what he was at the time he was shot dead.
[quote][p][bold]steelpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved[/p][/quote]I agree he got what he deserve. However it is not acceptable for the police to shoot unarmed people, which is what he was at the time he was shot dead. static kill
  • Score: -6

1:25pm Wed 29 Jan 14

static kill says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin

g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
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[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.[/p][/quote]I love you too static kill
  • Score: -2

1:42pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ekimnoslen says...

hooplaa wrote:
'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out!
Perhaps he was looking for lead!
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out![/p][/quote]Perhaps he was looking for lead! ekimnoslen
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ekimnoslen says...

hooplaa wrote:
'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out!
Agreed. A first class twit
[quote][p][bold]hooplaa[/bold] wrote: 'Residents and local businesses have reacted with shock at hearing a search was being carried out for a wanted man'... yes as it is such an unusual thing!! Really?! Sort it out![/p][/quote]Agreed. A first class twit ekimnoslen
  • Score: 3

2:31pm Wed 29 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

static kill wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin


g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
I love you too
Well if it shuts you up I will always be there for you.
[quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.[/p][/quote]I love you too[/p][/quote]Well if it shuts you up I will always be there for you. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Peroni says...

Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views.
Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift
ing ?
And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view.
Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth .
I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm .
And keeping our streets safe ......lol
They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down.
Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.
Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views. Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift ing ? And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view. Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth . I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm . And keeping our streets safe ......lol They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down. Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts. Peroni
  • Score: -3

2:55pm Wed 29 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

static kill wrote:
steelpaul wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved
I agree he got what he deserve. However it is not acceptable for the police to shoot unarmed people, which is what he was at the time he was shot dead.
You should have joined the baying mob on the court steps?

Or perhaps gone on Facebook posting messages about how he was nothing but an innocent father, never 'done nothing to no one'?

Fine. You've shown what you deem to be acceptable and moral and able to pass judgment and query a jury.

A few facts about Mr Duggan:

On the day he was shot by armed police officers he had just taken possession of a BBM Bruni model 92 handgun. Completely illegally gun thought to have been used by gangs in violent incidents a number of times.

He was a member of a well known violent, drug dealing gang (Star Gang- google them).

Mr Duggan was considered by the authorities to be one of the 48 most violent criminals in Europe, and in 2011 was one of the targets of a police operation called Dibri set up to tackle a spike in gun related incidents in London nightclubs.

The Police had intelligence that Mr Duggan had shot someone in a nightclub and on another occasion fired a gun in a club car park.

Kevin Hutchinson-Foster, the drug dealer who supplied Mr Duggan with the pistol just 12 minutes before he was shot dead, was jailed for 11 years at the Old Bailey last February.

I know who I would rather support and try and understand, but each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steelpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]Don't get me started on that one, a known gangster has a weapon, police decend on him, he turns and is shot, how were the police supposed to know he had got rid of the weapon, the moment He chose to get a gun was the moment he chose his own destiny, were the police supposed to wait to see if he shot at them first? The scum got what he deserved[/p][/quote]I agree he got what he deserve. However it is not acceptable for the police to shoot unarmed people, which is what he was at the time he was shot dead.[/p][/quote]You should have joined the baying mob on the court steps? Or perhaps gone on Facebook posting messages about how he was nothing but an innocent father, never 'done nothing to no one'? Fine. You've shown what you deem to be acceptable and moral and able to pass judgment and query a jury. A few facts about Mr Duggan: On the day he was shot by armed police officers he had just taken possession of a BBM Bruni model 92 handgun. Completely illegally gun thought to have been used by gangs in violent incidents a number of times. He was a member of a well known violent, drug dealing gang (Star Gang- google them). Mr Duggan was considered by the authorities to be one of the 48 most violent criminals in Europe, and in 2011 was one of the targets of a police operation called Dibri set up to tackle a spike in gun related incidents in London nightclubs. The Police had intelligence that Mr Duggan had shot someone in a nightclub and on another occasion fired a gun in a club car park. Kevin Hutchinson-Foster, the drug dealer who supplied Mr Duggan with the pistol just 12 minutes before he was shot dead, was jailed for 11 years at the Old Bailey last February. I know who I would rather support and try and understand, but each to their own. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Wed 29 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

Peroni wrote:
Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views.
Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift

ing ?
And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view.
Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth .
I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm .
And keeping our streets safe ......lol
They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down.
Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.
I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse.

Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views. Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift ing ? And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view. Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth . I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm . And keeping our streets safe ......lol They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down. Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.[/p][/quote]I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse. Now where is that lady with the lucky heather.... scrumpyjack
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Peroni says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views.
Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift


ing ?
And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view.
Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth .
I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm .
And keeping our streets safe ......lol
They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down.
Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.
I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse.

Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....
You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol
Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol
As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others.
Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!!
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views. Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift ing ? And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view. Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth . I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm . And keeping our streets safe ......lol They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down. Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.[/p][/quote]I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse. Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....[/p][/quote]You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others. Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!! Peroni
  • Score: -5

5:24pm Wed 29 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

Peroni wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views.
Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift



ing ?
And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view.
Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth .
I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm .
And keeping our streets safe ......lol
They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down.
Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.
I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse.

Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....
You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol
Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol
As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others.
Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!!
Not old bill and too old to join.

But I will still try and support old views that I was brought up, that of respect for the police and support your community whilst letting those who act against the good of the community be shown for what they are

As for snidey gobshites, I will never fail to take you to task.
[quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views. Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift ing ? And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view. Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth . I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm . And keeping our streets safe ......lol They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down. Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.[/p][/quote]I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse. Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....[/p][/quote]You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others. Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!![/p][/quote]Not old bill and too old to join. But I will still try and support old views that I was brought up, that of respect for the police and support your community whilst letting those who act against the good of the community be shown for what they are As for snidey gobshites, I will never fail to take you to task. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 4

7:16pm Wed 29 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Peroni wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
Peroni wrote:
Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views.
Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift




ing ?
And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view.
Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth .
I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm .
And keeping our streets safe ......lol
They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down.
Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.
I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse.

Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....
You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol
Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol
As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others.
Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!!
Not old bill and too old to join.

But I will still try and support old views that I was brought up, that of respect for the police and support your community whilst letting those who act against the good of the community be shown for what they are

As for snidey gobshites, I will never fail to take you to task.
Roll on the one show and then the soaps.that will hopefully give you two something to refocuse on
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: Of you are happy that the police carry and use guns ,that's your views. Be more interesting to know what those 12500 times they went out armed were for.........shoplift ing ? And yes they have shot and killed unarmed people,if it's ok with some of you that's your view. Let's wait and see then why they went out armed in Bournemouth . I wouldn't trust a copper with a tooth pick let alone a firearm . And keeping our streets safe ......lol They are not nicking anyone have you not noticed , keeping crime figures down. Just go and ask the local law firms . Business is dropping ,not because crime is dropping ,because they are not arresting and bringing to courts.[/p][/quote]I hope and pray and fingers crossed and I will buy every lucky charm I can find to help make my wish for your to be in a severe situation and for you to need Police help and then I can sit back and watch as you kindly turn down their offer of assistance based on your assumption they can't be trusted and would actually make things worse. Now where is that lady with the lucky heather....[/p][/quote]You must be a policeman then ! With that mind set ....lol Or if not join up ........they take 5 feet and consider shorter now you know lol As I said .....my views....but my views don't want harm to come to others. Think the cider has damaged you .........another plus ! Go for it !!![/p][/quote]Not old bill and too old to join. But I will still try and support old views that I was brought up, that of respect for the police and support your community whilst letting those who act against the good of the community be shown for what they are As for snidey gobshites, I will never fail to take you to task.[/p][/quote]Roll on the one show and then the soaps.that will hopefully give you two something to refocuse on kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -1

7:35pm Wed 29 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

A lot of judgment being passed on the police based on reports that were being filed by a few journalists that were in a live unfolding event I found it informative and well reported they did Ok.so stop try to make an intelligent sentence using the words .shoplifting and armed police
A lot of judgment being passed on the police based on reports that were being filed by a few journalists that were in a live unfolding event I found it informative and well reported they did Ok.so stop try to make an intelligent sentence using the words .shoplifting and armed police kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Peroni says...

Personal experience of the police and other people's experiences also information from police in the past has eroded any trust or respect.
Even today's kids don't respect them.....you do have to earn it you know !
Even in the media , points to a failing ,corrupt force.
And your happy that they have firearms !! Lol.
Glad you are all happy with them.
Personal experience of the police and other people's experiences also information from police in the past has eroded any trust or respect. Even today's kids don't respect them.....you do have to earn it you know ! Even in the media , points to a failing ,corrupt force. And your happy that they have firearms !! Lol. Glad you are all happy with them. Peroni
  • Score: -4

2:08am Thu 30 Jan 14

Boscomite says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
"Swooped"......
..nic
e one echo, but please can I read a 'pounced' headline soon. Thanks expectantly.
I think the Echo are doing a good job. Where else can a creative writting student get a part time job in journalism?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: "Swooped"...... ..nic e one echo, but please can I read a 'pounced' headline soon. Thanks expectantly.[/p][/quote]I think the Echo are doing a good job. Where else can a creative writting student get a part time job in journalism? Boscomite
  • Score: 1

7:46am Fri 31 Jan 14

Peroni says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin

g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
All those stats lol
Well this incident is added to the other 12500 that the armed unit were deployed............
.....what a dangerous individual on the run lol
They knew he was not a high risk ,so why deploy the armed u it and the helicopter ?
Hope you lot are happy with that cost effective operation !
But hey next time they might have some one on survelence for months know they are a dangerous person know that they are into this and that ,but not pick them up before they get the gun they know they are going to pick up,but then just execute them in the street .....when it's not even in their hands !!
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.[/p][/quote]All those stats lol Well this incident is added to the other 12500 that the armed unit were deployed............ .....what a dangerous individual on the run lol They knew he was not a high risk ,so why deploy the armed u it and the helicopter ? Hope you lot are happy with that cost effective operation ! But hey next time they might have some one on survelence for months know they are a dangerous person know that they are into this and that ,but not pick them up before they get the gun they know they are going to pick up,but then just execute them in the street .....when it's not even in their hands !! Peroni
  • Score: 0

8:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

Peroni says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
static kill wrote:
Dorset Outsider wrote:
Peroni wrote:
It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!!
Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals?
What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm!
I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.
I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot.

As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats:

The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin

g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012.

the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year.

the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year.

the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year.

the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11).

How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....?

PC Jonathan Henry
Died 11 June 2007, aged 36
Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton.

Police Constable Ian Dibell
Died 9 July 2012, aged 41
Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds.

Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake
Died 14 January 2003, aged 40
Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations.
Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal.

Police Constable Fiona Bone
Died 18 September 2012, aged 32
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

Police Constable Nicola Hughes
Died 18 September 2012, aged 23
Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her.

April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later.

May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself.

November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder.

May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham.

December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life.

January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder.

March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter.

PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter.

This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot

- Raoul Moal,

December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds.



In conclusion:

Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into.

Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan.

In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13.

The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.
All those stats lol
Well this incident is added to the other 12500 that the armed unit were deployed............
.....what a dangerous individual on the run lol
They knew he was not a high risk ,so why deploy the armed u it and the helicopter ?
Hope you lot are happy with that cost effective operation !
But hey next time they might have some one on survelence for months know they are a dangerous person know that they are into this and that ,but not pick them up before they get the gun they know they are going to pick up,but then just execute them in the street .....when it's not even in their hands !!
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset Outsider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peroni[/bold] wrote: It's more terrifying that we got armed police on the streets with the past record they hold !!!!![/p][/quote]Of arresting armed/potentially armed criminals? What a terrible record... Makes me scared to think there are people out there to protect the public from harm![/p][/quote]I think the comment was refering to the 2011 killing (execution) of an unarmed man by British police, which has just been found to be lawful. I might be wrong though.[/p][/quote]I just love to55ers like you - happy to drool out these snide anti-police comments, basically saying they are worse than the gun totting violent armed criminals and "gang members" - It was agreed that this 'unarmed man' was in possession of an illegal hand gun moments before he was shot. As for the British Police's record on use of firearms. Some up-to-date stats: The Minister of State for Policing and Criminal Justice....publishin g the statistics on police use of firearms in England and Wales for the period 1 April 2011 to 31 March 2012. the number of police operations in which firearms were authorised was 12,550 – a decrease of 946 (7.5%) on the previous year. the number of Authorised Firearms Officers (AFO’s) was 6,756 – an increase of 103 (1.5%) officers overall on the previous year. the number of operations involving armed response vehicles was 14,261 – a decrease of 2,513 (17.6%) on the previous year. the police discharged a conventional firearm IN FIVE INCIDENTS (up from 4 incidents in 2010-11). How many Police have been killed in these sort of incidents in the last few years....? PC Jonathan Henry Died 11 June 2007, aged 36 Fatally stabbed attempting to arrest a knifeman attacking the public in Luton. Police Constable Ian Dibell Died 9 July 2012, aged 41 Whilst off duty in Clacton-on-Sea he had cause to intervene in an incident close to his home. Protecting the public from an armed male he sustained fatal gunshot wounds. Detective Constable Stephen Robin Oake Died 14 January 2003, aged 40 Fatally stabbed by a suspect while engaged in anti-terrorist operations. Posthumously awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal. Police Constable Fiona Bone Died 18 September 2012, aged 32 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. Police Constable Nicola Hughes Died 18 September 2012, aged 23 Attended reports of a burglary, this call turned out to be a hoax, she was attacked by a male who used a firearm and grenade; fatally injuring her. April 2009 PC Gary Toms, 37, was critically injured confronting suspects in a dead-end road in Leyton, east London. His life support machine was switched off six days later. May 2007 PC Ricky Grey, 43, was shot in the head in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. The gunman, Peter Medlicott, then turned the weapon on himself. November 2005 PC Sharon Beshenivsky was shot dead when she and a colleague tried to stop armed robbers in Bradford. Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah and Yusuf Abdillh Jamma were sentenced to life for her murder. May 2004 DC Michael Swindells, 44, died after he was knifed in the stomach as he and colleagues conducted a search in Birmingham. December 2003 PC Ian Broadhurst, 34, of West Yorkshire police, was shot dead in Leeds on Boxing Day. David Bieber, a 38-year-old American who was wanted by the FBI for ordering two killings in Florida, also shot two of Broadhurst's colleagues. He was jailed for life. January 2003 DC Stephen Oake died during a police raid on a flat in Crumpsall, Manchester. Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian who had been plotting a ricin poison attack, was sentenced to life for his murder. March 2001 PC Alison Armitage, 29, was run down by a stolen car during an undercover operation in Hollinwood, near Oldham. Thomas Whaley, 19, was jailed for eight years after pleading guilty to manslaughter. PC Nina Mackay was stabbed to death in a raid in Stratford, east London. She had removed her body armour because it was difficult to use the hydraulic ram to batter down the door while wearing the protective equipment. Magdi Elgizouli, 32, who had paranoid schizophrenia, was detained indefinitely after being found guilty of manslaughter. This does not include the cases where police have been shot at or shot - Raoul Moal, December 2013 - A manhunt has been launched for this man after a unarmed female police officer was shot and injured while on duty early this morning. Two uniformed officers attended a routine call of a disturbance and were confronted by a man at the address who fired upon them.One female officer received serious but non life-threatening injuries and is being treated in hospital after the shooting in Hyde Park, Leeds. In conclusion: Police using their guns are rare are unlikely to result in death despite the potentially fast moving, high adrenaline situations they are thrown into. Police in England and Wales opened fire just five times for the year 2011/12. Out of these incidents, two people were killed, including Duggan. In the four years to 2012, armed officers officers opened fire 18 times - nine fatally. No-one was shot dead by police in 2012/13. The two fatalities in 2011/12 emerged from 12,550 operations during the same period, in which firearms officers were on the scene and had been given authorisation to open fire, even though they did not, according to the latest Home Office stats.[/p][/quote]All those stats lol Well this incident is added to the other 12500 that the armed unit were deployed............ .....what a dangerous individual on the run lol They knew he was not a high risk ,so why deploy the armed u it and the helicopter ? Hope you lot are happy with that cost effective operation ! But hey next time they might have some one on survelence for months know they are a dangerous person know that they are into this and that ,but not pick them up before they get the gun they know they are going to pick up,but then just execute them in the street .....when it's not even in their hands !! Peroni
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