Developer seeks to scupper West Central scheme as Pavilion Gardens complex hangs by a thread

Computer-generated image of the Nautilus leisure scheme

Trevor Osborne, director of the Trevor Osborne Property Group

First published in News by

A DEVELOPER fighting to salvage his £50m leisure complex plans is urging the council to scupper a rival scheme.

Trevor Osborne wants Bournemouth council to step up its attempts to purchase the site of a rival leisure scheme – and boost his ailing Pavilion Gardens project.

Bournemouth council is currently trying to get a compulsory purchase order (CPO) for the NCP car park at Exeter Road and stop developers Licet from building a cinema and restaurant complex there.

But Mr Osborne said there was a perception that the CPO process was ‘flawed’ and this had enabled rival developer Licet to secure funding from Legal and General and a crucial anchor tenant in cinema giant Odeon.

His scheme is now hanging by a thread after council leader John Beesley decided to rescind the contract over progress concerns.

Mr Osborne’s only hope now is that councillors at an audit and resources meeting tomorrow will refer this decision back to full council or cabinet.

In a long letter to Bournemouth council, Mr Osborne said: “It remains within Bournemouth Borough Council’s power to ensure that the project is undertaken. It is clear that, if BBC can obtain confirmation of a CPO and establish a credible programme for the creation of the bus hub, then the Pavilion Gardens project could proceed.”

He has given the council correspondence that shows he was on the verge of securing funding for the Pavilion Gardens scheme but backers could not be convinced the council’s CPO would succeed. He reached detailed draft heads of terms stage with Land Securities but they “got cold feet over the CPO” and two other funds were interested but not prepared to commit until the CPO is confirmed.

Odeon then switched allegiance to West Central, citing a ‘flawed’ CPO process and the fact Licet had funding as the reasons for its change.

Legal and General, once a potential backer for Pavilion Gardens, also decided to go with West Central. A letter from Trevor Osborne’s advisors Jones Lang LaSalle said: “This is a puzzle given the CPO resolution but L&G maintain the CPO is flawed and they are clearly feeling confident to say that.”

Mr Osborne has also stated he had invested more than £3.5million to achieve their objective of developing Bath Road North and regenerating Westover Road.

And he said it would be “grossly unreasonable” if the council stuck to the terms of the contract and insisted he pay a £1.35m fee – a move that would push Osborne Bournemouth Limited (OBL) into administration.

“I respectfully suggest that, if BBC were minded to serve a rescission notice, it could only be interpreted as a vexatious and misguided attempt to demand from OBL a substantial sum of £1.35m, pushing the company into administration and calling into doubt BBC’s commitment to the project under the development agreement and its expressed covenant to act “fairly” and “in the utmost good faith”.

 

The two proposals...

• Pavilion Gardens is a £50m scheme for a cinema, restaurants and underground car park.

Trevor Osborne has full planning permission for the scheme on council-owned land. He has an agreement from Bournemouth council to sell him the Bath Road North car park and rent back the underground car park for up to 75 years.

• West Central is a £50m scheme for a 10-screen cinema, restaurants and car park.

Bournemouth council gave planning permission in 2006, but has stalled the scheme by withholding a small strip of its land and then by applying for a CPO. West Central would be built on private land owned by NCP and funded by Legal and General.

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7:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

Cosmic Crusader says...

Whoever wins this contest you can be sure there will be only one real loser, the rate paying residents of Bournemouth.
Whoever wins this contest you can be sure there will be only one real loser, the rate paying residents of Bournemouth. Cosmic Crusader
  • Score: 39

7:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Let's start a sweepstake on how much this little squabble will cost the rate payers of Bournemouth
Let's start a sweepstake on how much this little squabble will cost the rate payers of Bournemouth kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 34

7:45am Wed 15 Jan 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

'Who yer gonna call ?' Planning Solutions.Wait a minute, you can't he spending time in one of her majesty's !

Mind you 'Vexacious Solutions' could be formed on his release...He's had time to think about it.
'Who yer gonna call ?' Planning Solutions.Wait a minute, you can't he spending time in one of her majesty's ! Mind you 'Vexacious Solutions' could be formed on his release...He's had time to think about it. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 8

7:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

wonderway says...

if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company

osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago

its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon
so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there
if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there wonderway
  • Score: 24

8:09am Wed 15 Jan 14

Abc1970 says...

So let me get this right..there are 4 main car parks in the town centre. the council want to use two of these for development, the private developer can't find the money to build his project (which incidentally has no confirmed cinema or restaurants), the corporate developer has funding and confirmed Odeon. Why is there even a debate? It does not take a genius to realise that if the idiotic morons at the town hall do indeed scupper the Exeter road development and back the private development, it will run it of money, be left for years half finished before the council eventually bail out the project at enormous cost to the local tax payer and we will end up with a bigger monstrosity than the IMAX.

Surely it makes sense to allow the exeter road development to go ahead, use Westover road for the transport hub and use the private developer to build it, problem solved, everybody happy, council get their backhander from the developer, the town gets a shiny new cinema complex and local residents are not left having to pay for something we didn't even want in the first place.
So let me get this right..there are 4 main car parks in the town centre. the council want to use two of these for development, the private developer can't find the money to build his project (which incidentally has no confirmed cinema or restaurants), the corporate developer has funding and confirmed Odeon. Why is there even a debate? It does not take a genius to realise that if the idiotic morons at the town hall do indeed scupper the Exeter road development and back the private development, it will run it of money, be left for years half finished before the council eventually bail out the project at enormous cost to the local tax payer and we will end up with a bigger monstrosity than the IMAX. Surely it makes sense to allow the exeter road development to go ahead, use Westover road for the transport hub and use the private developer to build it, problem solved, everybody happy, council get their backhander from the developer, the town gets a shiny new cinema complex and local residents are not left having to pay for something we didn't even want in the first place. Abc1970
  • Score: 25

8:13am Wed 15 Jan 14

old duffa says...

love it developers with no money,osbourne is a wannabee
let oram moss have the site
at least something will be done
love it developers with no money,osbourne is a wannabee let oram moss have the site at least something will be done old duffa
  • Score: 11

8:48am Wed 15 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

Oooooooo. My back is very itchy.
Oooooooo. My back is very itchy. BIGTONE
  • Score: 5

8:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

Townee says...

Pram out toys. Please rearrange into a well know saying that applies to this developer.
I'm going to scream and scream until I'm sick or you let me play on my terms.
Pram out toys. Please rearrange into a well know saying that applies to this developer. I'm going to scream and scream until I'm sick or you let me play on my terms. Townee
  • Score: 5

9:17am Wed 15 Jan 14

alanrr says...

if £1.35m will put him into admin why let him loose with £50m of someone else's money............he'
s not really a business man is he
if £1.35m will put him into admin why let him loose with £50m of someone else's money............he' s not really a business man is he alanrr
  • Score: 17

9:29am Wed 15 Jan 14

TheDistrict says...

Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.
Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them. TheDistrict
  • Score: 13

9:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

MW Bournemouth says...

4 words - Permanent Olympic Ice Rink!!
Bournemouth does NOT need more restaurants or cinemas, nor does it need less car parking facilities!!!
It does, however, need all weather facilities to attract people from outside the area and somewhere for everyone, of all ages, to have fun, see ice shows, learn new skills for life and be able to socialise in a safe friendly environment.
It's a no brainer!
4 words - Permanent Olympic Ice Rink!! Bournemouth does NOT need more restaurants or cinemas, nor does it need less car parking facilities!!! It does, however, need all weather facilities to attract people from outside the area and somewhere for everyone, of all ages, to have fun, see ice shows, learn new skills for life and be able to socialise in a safe friendly environment. It's a no brainer! MW Bournemouth
  • Score: 4

10:19am Wed 15 Jan 14

Redgolfer says...

wonderway wrote:
if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company

osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago

its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon
so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there
As I understood this problem, last week we were told that Osbourne had run out of time with his contract with Bournemouth Council and that Pavilion Gardens or whatever it was called was over the time limit.
So why are we back again on this subject, I bet he would like somebody else to finance his project but the ratepayers do NOT want this project to go ahead, who in their right mind would lease back a car park that is all ready there for £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, That's right our Planning and Council wanted to do that, get shot of the lot of them ???
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there[/p][/quote]As I understood this problem, last week we were told that Osbourne had run out of time with his contract with Bournemouth Council and that Pavilion Gardens or whatever it was called was over the time limit. So why are we back again on this subject, I bet he would like somebody else to finance his project but the ratepayers do NOT want this project to go ahead, who in their right mind would lease back a car park that is all ready there for £3,000,000 per year over 75 years, That's right our Planning and Council wanted to do that, get shot of the lot of them ??? Redgolfer
  • Score: 19

11:25am Wed 15 Jan 14

Baywolf says...

ok 10 to 1 Osbourne gets his backing we end up paying for it and it will be another IMAX fiasco ..way to go council. Waste unwanted and another rich developer gets a silver lining.
ok 10 to 1 Osbourne gets his backing we end up paying for it and it will be another IMAX fiasco ..way to go council. Waste unwanted and another rich developer gets a silver lining. Baywolf
  • Score: 7

11:33am Wed 15 Jan 14

jinglebell says...

Seems like Osborne is threatening to spill the beans.
Seems like Osborne is threatening to spill the beans. jinglebell
  • Score: 14

11:48am Wed 15 Jan 14

kathyhunt says...

please we do not need anymore cinemas or restarants, we need a perament ICE RINK back in bournemouth. this will give lots of fun exercise to all ages. lots of ice shows again which all ages enjoy. we could have the ice hockey matches back and the speed skating and all other aspects of rink life back in bournemouth. pull your fingers out and get with the programme. WE NEED AN ICE RINK here in bournemouth.
please we do not need anymore cinemas or restarants, we need a perament ICE RINK back in bournemouth. this will give lots of fun exercise to all ages. lots of ice shows again which all ages enjoy. we could have the ice hockey matches back and the speed skating and all other aspects of rink life back in bournemouth. pull your fingers out and get with the programme. WE NEED AN ICE RINK here in bournemouth. kathyhunt
  • Score: 4

11:52am Wed 15 Jan 14

Sagacity says...

I say abandon ALL the schemes because none of them give the people of Bournemouth what they want. Most of the people say ice rink, swimming pool, a wet weather indoor play area attraction for children and a bus station. All the council and the developers ever come up with is more shops, restaurants and cinemas.
I say abandon ALL the schemes because none of them give the people of Bournemouth what they want. Most of the people say ice rink, swimming pool, a wet weather indoor play area attraction for children and a bus station. All the council and the developers ever come up with is more shops, restaurants and cinemas. Sagacity
  • Score: 15

12:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

Osborne had his chance and he blew it. Trying to scupper the West Central scheme is nothing more than sour grapes.
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If the Council goes ahead with the CPO not only will it cost the taxpayer dear as they would be purchasing a piece of land with planning in place which is always more expensive but it would send a clear message to those considering investing in Bournemouth that the Council cannot be trusted.
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Bournemouth Council must stick to its decision to pull the plug on Osborne's Pavilion scheme otherwise this matter would almost certainly end up with taxpayers money being used to fight an expensive legal battle.
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It seems that once again Beesley's incompetence is risking £millions of taxpayers money and the end result could easily be that neither of the schemes goes ahead.
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Also worth noting that Legal & General who switched their support from the Pavilion scheme to West Central have also signed a deal with Bournemouth Council to invest up to £300m in the town by financing council building projects.
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This whole mess is what happens when a bunch of amateur councillors like Beesley get involved in negotiating and agreeing complex commercial contracts.
Osborne had his chance and he blew it. Trying to scupper the West Central scheme is nothing more than sour grapes. . If the Council goes ahead with the CPO not only will it cost the taxpayer dear as they would be purchasing a piece of land with planning in place which is always more expensive but it would send a clear message to those considering investing in Bournemouth that the Council cannot be trusted. . Bournemouth Council must stick to its decision to pull the plug on Osborne's Pavilion scheme otherwise this matter would almost certainly end up with taxpayers money being used to fight an expensive legal battle. . It seems that once again Beesley's incompetence is risking £millions of taxpayers money and the end result could easily be that neither of the schemes goes ahead. . Also worth noting that Legal & General who switched their support from the Pavilion scheme to West Central have also signed a deal with Bournemouth Council to invest up to £300m in the town by financing council building projects. . This whole mess is what happens when a bunch of amateur councillors like Beesley get involved in negotiating and agreeing complex commercial contracts. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 11

12:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

wonderway wrote:
if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company

osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago

its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon
so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there
The principle of a UK local Council obtaining a CPO on a prime site for the purpose of using it for a major transport terminal in itself is sound. But the Exeter Road site as a Bus Station burnt down over thirty-five years ago and until recently absolutely nothing was ever seriously mentioned in the Town Hall about returning the site to that useful function.

This sudden miracle awakening of interest from the Council in buying the land by CPO and building a replacement Bus Station, whilst as an aside (of course!) scuppering a major private development plan blatantly less preferred by some Councillors, brings back unpleasant memories of the days after the Bus Station burnt down - when because of the toxic smoke most of central Bournemouth stank.

Which is all a great shame, because I always have strongly supported without vested interests the idea of putting our local Buses back into a decent terminal facility right where the original had been!
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: if the council attempt to buy exeter rd car park just to support the project above just to save his **** would it be fruad by council by using tax payers money to salvage a private company osbourne has dragged his heels over this matter for years , the council removed finacial penalties over his contract with council two years ago its his problem if he cant find backers for his project to save his bacon so council dont go there, his problem not tax payers to bail him out to buy land that has planning permission granted by council and funding to actually build the exeter rd project so Mr beasley dont even attempt to go there[/p][/quote]The principle of a UK local Council obtaining a CPO on a prime site for the purpose of using it for a major transport terminal in itself is sound. But the Exeter Road site as a Bus Station burnt down over thirty-five years ago and until recently absolutely nothing was ever seriously mentioned in the Town Hall about returning the site to that useful function. This sudden miracle awakening of interest from the Council in buying the land by CPO and building a replacement Bus Station, whilst as an aside (of course!) scuppering a major private development plan blatantly less preferred by some Councillors, brings back unpleasant memories of the days after the Bus Station burnt down - when because of the toxic smoke most of central Bournemouth stank. Which is all a great shame, because I always have strongly supported without vested interests the idea of putting our local Buses back into a decent terminal facility right where the original had been! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

jinglebell wrote:
Seems like Osborne is threatening to spill the beans.
Now wouldn't that be fun ! ..... he's certainly backed Beesley into a corner and its difficult to know how a cornered rat will act. If Beesley reverses his decision to pull the plug on Osbornes scheme it would seriously weaken and undermine his leadership and confirm the suspicions of many in this town that he puts the interests of property developers before the best interests of the town.
[quote][p][bold]jinglebell[/bold] wrote: Seems like Osborne is threatening to spill the beans.[/p][/quote]Now wouldn't that be fun ! ..... he's certainly backed Beesley into a corner and its difficult to know how a cornered rat will act. If Beesley reverses his decision to pull the plug on Osbornes scheme it would seriously weaken and undermine his leadership and confirm the suspicions of many in this town that he puts the interests of property developers before the best interests of the town. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 12

1:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

So we know what Trevor wants .And we know what Licet want,can't think that the residents.of Bournemouth think they need even more cinema seat .expensive restaurants where the developer can entertain the councillors that that waved it through.What you need is a long term plan that will give Bournemouth back the image it had.And hopefully some interesting architecture.a d avoid creating yet another massive empty space if the existing odean moves over the road. Think Culture it as a greater shelf life than popcorn ,stag nights and two for one cocktails
So we know what Trevor wants .And we know what Licet want,can't think that the residents.of Bournemouth think they need even more cinema seat .expensive restaurants where the developer can entertain the councillors that that waved it through.What you need is a long term plan that will give Bournemouth back the image it had.And hopefully some interesting architecture.a d avoid creating yet another massive empty space if the existing odean moves over the road. Think Culture it as a greater shelf life than popcorn ,stag nights and two for one cocktails kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 2

1:35pm Wed 15 Jan 14

JohnGS says...

Cut the thread and let these money grabbing developers sink.
Bournemouth have only just got rid of the IMAX just a few yards down the road (costing millions to the town rate payers and they new want to spoil the gardens and the sea view ?

Build a new bus station where it was previously on the NPC car park and revamp the existing cinemas.

Stop wasting money.
Cut the thread and let these money grabbing developers sink. Bournemouth have only just got rid of the IMAX just a few yards down the road (costing millions to the town rate payers and they new want to spoil the gardens and the sea view ? Build a new bus station where it was previously on the NPC car park and revamp the existing cinemas. Stop wasting money. JohnGS
  • Score: 4

1:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

Also, why would the council be trying to back a scheme for shops, cinema screens and a restaurant only a few hundred yards from where they spent £10M on buying back and demolishing the last one that they approved?
Also, why would the council be trying to back a scheme for shops, cinema screens and a restaurant only a few hundred yards from where they spent £10M on buying back and demolishing the last one that they approved? speedy231278
  • Score: 6

2:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TWERLY says...

As returning tourist to Bournemouth that I am and have been for the last 25 years my wife and I maintain a healthy interest in what is going on in this part of the world but it seems to us that the local authority are hell bent on destroying everything good about Bournemouth and its beautiful surroundings and the planners, well, what can I say, I wouldn't pay 'em in washers but then again we are in an age where rewards are plentiful for those who think they know best - I DON'T THINK SO !!!!
Come on Bournemouth Council wake up and smell the coffee or do you want the town to go the route of the likes of those resorts up north such as Rhyl and Blackpool etc cos believe me you are on that slippery slope right now.
As returning tourist to Bournemouth that I am and have been for the last 25 years my wife and I maintain a healthy interest in what is going on in this part of the world but it seems to us that the local authority are hell bent on destroying everything good about Bournemouth and its beautiful surroundings and the planners, well, what can I say, I wouldn't pay 'em in washers but then again we are in an age where rewards are plentiful for those who think they know best - I DON'T THINK SO !!!! Come on Bournemouth Council wake up and smell the coffee or do you want the town to go the route of the likes of those resorts up north such as Rhyl and Blackpool etc cos believe me you are on that slippery slope right now. TWERLY
  • Score: 10

3:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bobthedestroyer says...

IF Mr Ossbourne can't get the financial backing he needs this is called business. As one of the potential backers pulled out to fund the other plan they must have known that the risk of investing and subsequently losing money is too great especially in today's climate.

I think it is outrageous that BBC are attempting to compulsory purchase the otehr property as it conflicted with something they were involved with. Completely unacceptable behaviour from Council and Officers.

Maybe Mr Osbourne and the other developer could work together on the non-Council owned site?
IF Mr Ossbourne can't get the financial backing he needs this is called business. As one of the potential backers pulled out to fund the other plan they must have known that the risk of investing and subsequently losing money is too great especially in today's climate. I think it is outrageous that BBC are attempting to compulsory purchase the otehr property as it conflicted with something they were involved with. Completely unacceptable behaviour from Council and Officers. Maybe Mr Osbourne and the other developer could work together on the non-Council owned site? bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 3

4:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mcadder says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
'Who yer gonna call ?' Planning Solutions.Wait a minute, you can't he spending time in one of her majesty's !

Mind you 'Vexacious Solutions' could be formed on his release...He's had time to think about it.
Ramsden was out before Xmas - after doing less than 3 months of his 10 month sentence!
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: 'Who yer gonna call ?' Planning Solutions.Wait a minute, you can't he spending time in one of her majesty's ! Mind you 'Vexacious Solutions' could be formed on his release...He's had time to think about it.[/p][/quote]Ramsden was out before Xmas - after doing less than 3 months of his 10 month sentence! mcadder
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Marcus Yardley says...

The developments are all smoke and mirrors, the issue is solely about noses in the trough. If the voters of Bournemouth return this putrid administration again then they will be getting what they deserve. We need rid of this bunch of parasites whose sole interest in being on the Council is to line their own pockets. The answer is in the hands of the electorate. Ultimately, the standard of our Councillors depends on individuals A) actually turning out to vote and B) voting for men and women who have the good of the town at heart. The answer is in our hands, yours and mine.
The developments are all smoke and mirrors, the issue is solely about noses in the trough. If the voters of Bournemouth return this putrid administration again then they will be getting what they deserve. We need rid of this bunch of parasites whose sole interest in being on the Council is to line their own pockets. The answer is in the hands of the electorate. Ultimately, the standard of our Councillors depends on individuals A) actually turning out to vote and B) voting for men and women who have the good of the town at heart. The answer is in our hands, yours and mine. Marcus Yardley
  • Score: 8

4:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.
Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.[/p][/quote]Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct. pete woodley
  • Score: 5

6:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

wadjit says...

Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.
Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time. wadjit
  • Score: 9

6:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

UrbanCrab says...

We need arts and culture and wet weather attractions, these people are greedy philistines with no business sense, just take a look at the type of people they partner up with, especially Cllr Beesley. They are hell bent on tearing out everything of cultural value and replacing it with tacky rubbish, no taste and no business sense= get out of office and make way for people with principles, expertise, and taste.
We need arts and culture and wet weather attractions, these people are greedy philistines with no business sense, just take a look at the type of people they partner up with, especially Cllr Beesley. They are hell bent on tearing out everything of cultural value and replacing it with tacky rubbish, no taste and no business sense= get out of office and make way for people with principles, expertise, and taste. UrbanCrab
  • Score: 7

6:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

wadjit wrote:
Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.
Have you thought about being on the council
[quote][p][bold]wadjit[/bold] wrote: Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.[/p][/quote]Have you thought about being on the council kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 4

7:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

kalebmoledirt says...

wadjit wrote:
Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.
Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman
[quote][p][bold]wadjit[/bold] wrote: Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.[/p][/quote]Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Another council led scandal, keep walking people, keep walking!
Another council led scandal, keep walking people, keep walking! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 4

7:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Marcus Yardley says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
wadjit wrote:
Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.
Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman
"Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman"

We need a whole raft of people prepared to stand for council who have the interests of the town at heart not simply ambitions to make a fast buck or be Mayor. Anyone standing in my Ward on that basis will get my vote.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wadjit[/bold] wrote: Some ideas - Great modern art centre (desperately needed), a cinema that doesn't just play the mainstream garbage, indoor surf machine, indoor climbing centre, indoor skydiving machine, indoor exhibition area for all types of arts. build new cinema complex on winter gardens site. Use old cinema space for the above ideas and maybe also an ice rink (with seating for shows) although I personally do not like ice skating. Put bus hub back in centre of town. Make sure underground parking is built to cover the lost parking spaces. Turn Bournemouth from a cultural wasteland into an interesting and healthy place to spend time.[/p][/quote]Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman[/p][/quote]"Have you thought about being on the council.Come readers encourage the man/woman" We need a whole raft of people prepared to stand for council who have the interests of the town at heart not simply ambitions to make a fast buck or be Mayor. Anyone standing in my Ward on that basis will get my vote. Marcus Yardley
  • Score: 5

9:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

pete woodley wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.
Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.
A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point!
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.[/p][/quote]Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.[/p][/quote]A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point! muscliffman
  • Score: 4

10:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

muscliffman wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.
Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.
A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point!
Point taken,if pedestrian westover rd was to take place there would obviously have to be nearby and adequate parking.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.[/p][/quote]Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.[/p][/quote]A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point![/p][/quote]Point taken,if pedestrian westover rd was to take place there would obviously have to be nearby and adequate parking. pete woodley
  • Score: 2

10:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

pete woodley wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.
Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.
A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point!
Point taken,if pedestrian westover rd was to take place there would obviously have to be nearby and adequate parking.
Indeed, but it needs to be 24/7 free and short term car parking and thus for the principle use of Westover Road area shoppers/diners. Maybe that old Council owned car park round the corner in Bath Road next to the Pavilion would be ideal, there does not appear to be any realistic plans to develop the site - at least not any longer!
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Bournemouth Council, scrub both projects. Westover Road is adequate, and only needs updating, made into a precinct its full length and into Gervis Place, which I believe would cost less to all. Continue the CPO for Exeter Road, and bring back the Public Transport Terminal, Yellow Buses and Wilts and Dorset on top, with coaches below. It will rid the town of that awful place called the interchange, and bring visitors who travel by this mode closer to their destinations. Osbourne and others are dragging their feet to gain. Get rid of them.[/p][/quote]Full agreement with these comments,its been dragging on too long.I am still firmly in support of bus interchange on the old bus station site.,and westover rd would make ideal precinct.[/p][/quote]A tad off topic but I have to differ - a bit, whilst I am in favour of the Bus Station being re-established I am increasingly sceptical about the advantages of pedestrianizing shopping areas to the old 1970's format. Times have changed and pedestrianising Westover Road/Gervis Place might make them look briefly nice, peaceful and quiet, but they would soon become disturbingly peaceful and far too quiet - until ultimately in business terms both would be virtually dead. The big success stories in recent UK retail business has been the purpose built shopping centres which have been specifically designed to attract and welcome car/motorist customers. When places like our own frequently overcrowding Castlepoint (in effect now Bournemouth's retail 'Town Centre') begin to pedestrianize their service roads and car parks and put up 'No Cars' and 'Buses Only' signs all over the place I may reconsider my point![/p][/quote]Point taken,if pedestrian westover rd was to take place there would obviously have to be nearby and adequate parking.[/p][/quote]Indeed, but it needs to be 24/7 free and short term car parking and thus for the principle use of Westover Road area shoppers/diners. Maybe that old Council owned car park round the corner in Bath Road next to the Pavilion would be ideal, there does not appear to be any realistic plans to develop the site - at least not any longer! muscliffman
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

It was one of Osbornes follies,big ideas no money.
It was one of Osbornes follies,big ideas no money. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

11:42pm Wed 15 Jan 14

AdelaidePete says...

Some good ideas from Twerly. As another annual visitor I've noticed the gradual demise of the town centre. No decent art gallery, museum or, theatre. Precious little for families to do (because it is not always nice and sunny as in the computerised picture). An aquatic centre would be popular; not just a pool but one with separate water slides and a paddling pool for the ankle biters, and for goodness sake tidy up the roadside leading up from the square to Westover road it looks like somewhere out the back of Calcutta.
Some good ideas from Twerly. As another annual visitor I've noticed the gradual demise of the town centre. No decent art gallery, museum or, theatre. Precious little for families to do (because it is not always nice and sunny as in the computerised picture). An aquatic centre would be popular; not just a pool but one with separate water slides and a paddling pool for the ankle biters, and for goodness sake tidy up the roadside leading up from the square to Westover road it looks like somewhere out the back of Calcutta. AdelaidePete
  • Score: 5

1:09am Thu 16 Jan 14

victor meldrew 17 says...

I agree with posts about scraping the pavilion gardens project,a casino does not normally have any windows,so does not need a nice view.The old winter gardens site is the best place ,at the moment it looks like a bomb crater,a development there could contain 2 or 3 floors of car parks,a casino,plus some other attractions,and still not be tall enough to stick out like a sore thumb.The bus station needs to go back to the old site, it worked well,there is no reason other things could not be built above,to help pay for it.One thing we do not need is any more pedestrian precincts,we have an ageing population,in many cases the older generation have the most money to spend,and the time to spend it,but they are not all agile.The other increasingly large group is the obese,if this trend continues,within a few years there will be large numbers of people who are not only unwilling,but physically unable to walk even a short distance.Having a town centre that is only suitable for the fit and agile could cost us dearly.I think a good addition for a central bus station, is a rental unit for mobility buggies, they have one at the Dorset steam fair and its very popular.The big problem is the poor road access to the town centre,at busy times the whole place is a car park,this is frustrating, whether on a bus,or in a car,we need to get this sorted.
I agree with posts about scraping the pavilion gardens project,a casino does not normally have any windows,so does not need a nice view.The old winter gardens site is the best place ,at the moment it looks like a bomb crater,a development there could contain 2 or 3 floors of car parks,a casino,plus some other attractions,and still not be tall enough to stick out like a sore thumb.The bus station needs to go back to the old site, it worked well,there is no reason other things could not be built above,to help pay for it.One thing we do not need is any more pedestrian precincts,we have an ageing population,in many cases the older generation have the most money to spend,and the time to spend it,but they are not all agile.The other increasingly large group is the obese,if this trend continues,within a few years there will be large numbers of people who are not only unwilling,but physically unable to walk even a short distance.Having a town centre that is only suitable for the fit and agile could cost us dearly.I think a good addition for a central bus station, is a rental unit for mobility buggies, they have one at the Dorset steam fair and its very popular.The big problem is the poor road access to the town centre,at busy times the whole place is a car park,this is frustrating, whether on a bus,or in a car,we need to get this sorted. victor meldrew 17
  • Score: 1

9:27am Thu 16 Jan 14

oldharryrocks! says...

MW Bournemouth wrote:
4 words - Permanent Olympic Ice Rink!!
Bournemouth does NOT need more restaurants or cinemas, nor does it need less car parking facilities!!!
It does, however, need all weather facilities to attract people from outside the area and somewhere for everyone, of all ages, to have fun, see ice shows, learn new skills for life and be able to socialise in a safe friendly environment.
It's a no brainer!
and where do all these visitors you attract go to eat?
[quote][p][bold]MW Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: 4 words - Permanent Olympic Ice Rink!! Bournemouth does NOT need more restaurants or cinemas, nor does it need less car parking facilities!!! It does, however, need all weather facilities to attract people from outside the area and somewhere for everyone, of all ages, to have fun, see ice shows, learn new skills for life and be able to socialise in a safe friendly environment. It's a no brainer![/p][/quote]and where do all these visitors you attract go to eat? oldharryrocks!
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Redgolfer says...

pete woodley wrote:
It was one of Osbornes follies,big ideas no money.
Is it DEAD in the water though Pete as Osborne is still shouting LOUD,
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: It was one of Osbornes follies,big ideas no money.[/p][/quote]Is it DEAD in the water though Pete as Osborne is still shouting LOUD, Redgolfer
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Redgolfer says...

AdelaidePete wrote:
Some good ideas from Twerly. As another annual visitor I've noticed the gradual demise of the town centre. No decent art gallery, museum or, theatre. Precious little for families to do (because it is not always nice and sunny as in the computerised picture). An aquatic centre would be popular; not just a pool but one with separate water slides and a paddling pool for the ankle biters, and for goodness sake tidy up the roadside leading up from the square to Westover road it looks like somewhere out the back of Calcutta.
Their is a pool with attractions as stated above, its called the Littledown Centre, Maybe we want to advertise these things more, Museum, you have Russell Coats above the Royal Bath, Theatre, what about Pavillion, not sure about Art Gallery as not my cup of tea, surely somewhere in Westover Road.
[quote][p][bold]AdelaidePete[/bold] wrote: Some good ideas from Twerly. As another annual visitor I've noticed the gradual demise of the town centre. No decent art gallery, museum or, theatre. Precious little for families to do (because it is not always nice and sunny as in the computerised picture). An aquatic centre would be popular; not just a pool but one with separate water slides and a paddling pool for the ankle biters, and for goodness sake tidy up the roadside leading up from the square to Westover road it looks like somewhere out the back of Calcutta.[/p][/quote]Their is a pool with attractions as stated above, its called the Littledown Centre, Maybe we want to advertise these things more, Museum, you have Russell Coats above the Royal Bath, Theatre, what about Pavillion, not sure about Art Gallery as not my cup of tea, surely somewhere in Westover Road. Redgolfer
  • Score: 0

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