Give us information on Poole Quay marina proposal, council urges Crown Estate

Bournemouth Echo: PROPOSAL: Poole Quay marina PROPOSAL: Poole Quay marina

POOLE councillors and residents association are calling on the Crown Estate to meet them over proposals for a quayside marina that could include concreting over part of the harbour.

MDL’s proposal includes a bridge and road out to a new marina beyond Poole Quay Boat Haven, and has emerged as the Crown Estate’s preferred bidder, over Poole Harbour Commissioners proposal.

Borough of Poole’s council leader Cllr Elaine Atkinson has written to Sir Stuart Hampson, chairman and First Commissioner of the Crown Estate, which owns the seabed.

“I believe the council is entitled to be consulted on your proposals,” she said in her letter. “It is clear that the Poole Harbour Commissioners have done a great deal to engage with the public and stakeholders about their proposal. However, the Crown Estates have not done anything of this nature.

“Consequently I am asking you to provide the council with information about your proposals and the procedure to be used in making decisions that are likely to affect this vital and much treasured part of Poole.”

Cllr Mike White, deputy leader of the council said: “Poole Quay is hugely important to Poole, not only because it is the heart of the town but also because it is a major tourist destination.”

Cllr Mark Howell has called for an emergency meeting of full council to discuss the matter, however a scrutiny meeting is likely to be held before the January 14 deadline for Crown Estates to confirm its decision. A numbers of residents associations have also written letters, following PHC’s stakeholders meeting where the situation was outlined by chief executive Jim Stewart.

Bill Constance, chairman of Poole Quays Forum wrote: “No details have been made public and there has been no public consultation. We are very concerned.”

Terry Stewart of the Vision for Poole Group said: “We are asking the Crown Estate for a meeting to clarify the criteria for their decision, and why there is so much haste.”

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8:52am Wed 25 Dec 13

Dave Lynes says...

I can not believe what they are trying to do to Poole ? it won`t be long until they turn Brownsea island into a multi-story car park.
I can not believe what they are trying to do to Poole ? it won`t be long until they turn Brownsea island into a multi-story car park. Dave Lynes

9:09am Wed 25 Dec 13

adspacebroker says...

Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!!
Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!! adspacebroker

9:51am Wed 25 Dec 13

Old Colonial says...

Poole Quay a tourist destination? Really? For the pubs and restaurants maybe. What else is there? A shipbuilding yard, ballast quay, and supposedly visitors' marina turned into a boat park for the super yacht fraternity. And, adjacent,: inner city style housing built on an old gas works site next to refuse infill of what used to be a natural backwater.

Let's see the plans. Maybe MDL is able to produce a design that actually allows people near the water of the harbour itself, to really enjoy the views.
Poole Quay a tourist destination? Really? For the pubs and restaurants maybe. What else is there? A shipbuilding yard, ballast quay, and supposedly visitors' marina turned into a boat park for the super yacht fraternity. And, adjacent,: inner city style housing built on an old gas works site next to refuse infill of what used to be a natural backwater. Let's see the plans. Maybe MDL is able to produce a design that actually allows people near the water of the harbour itself, to really enjoy the views. Old Colonial

11:01am Wed 25 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Old Colonial wrote:
Poole Quay a tourist destination? Really? For the pubs and restaurants maybe. What else is there? A shipbuilding yard, ballast quay, and supposedly visitors' marina turned into a boat park for the super yacht fraternity. And, adjacent,: inner city style housing built on an old gas works site next to refuse infill of what used to be a natural backwater.

Let's see the plans. Maybe MDL is able to produce a design that actually allows people near the water of the harbour itself, to really enjoy the views.
As long as I can see my Swan 60 from my penthiuse suite I don't care what the Marina looks like.
[quote][p][bold]Old Colonial[/bold] wrote: Poole Quay a tourist destination? Really? For the pubs and restaurants maybe. What else is there? A shipbuilding yard, ballast quay, and supposedly visitors' marina turned into a boat park for the super yacht fraternity. And, adjacent,: inner city style housing built on an old gas works site next to refuse infill of what used to be a natural backwater. Let's see the plans. Maybe MDL is able to produce a design that actually allows people near the water of the harbour itself, to really enjoy the views.[/p][/quote]As long as I can see my Swan 60 from my penthiuse suite I don't care what the Marina looks like. Letcommonsenseprevail

3:17pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Lewcee says...

The "Open Democracy" that we have (?) is beginning to smell pretty badly. We should be aware that Holes Bay, lacking a decent sized river emptying into it, is silting up fast. Cobb's Quay, because they pay for it through harbour dues, are entitled to have the channels dredged regularly by PHC...Without the Holes Bay Marina, the Council could have applied for an Act of Parliament to annul the Bay and access as a "Navigable Waterway", and negate the need for the £21+million Twin Sails Bridge. MDL probably realise that they need to move into the Main Harbour, before it is too late - the cost of dredging will inevitably rise. Hence the "back door" deal with Crown Estates, who have named MDL as "preferred bidder", a huge slap in the face for PHC, The Admiral of the Port of the Staple of Poole, The keeper of the Bounds (the Sheriff), and the Mayor and Council of the Town and County of Poole. But wait! The Crown Estates WILL build a wind farm in the bay, and Poole will want to be "preferred bidder" for the lucrative maritime business...so softly, softly there! Methinks the M.P.s of The I.O.W., Bournemouth, Poole, and Purbeck should be raising Cain in Parliament at the high-handed actions of the Crown Estate Office and ask if they do the bidding of the people (through Parliament) or not? These Crown Agents have their own rulebook, it appears. Big Brother exists beyond the control of Parliament and Local Democracy - they will get what they want, I predict! As a Poole Boy, I smell the same kind of "Rule of the Crown" as we have in this area ( and in the past), from HM Customs and Excise. Not even controllable by Parliament...they do their own thing. (Yes, I am clean. Do your worst).
The "Open Democracy" that we have (?) is beginning to smell pretty badly. We should be aware that Holes Bay, lacking a decent sized river emptying into it, is silting up fast. Cobb's Quay, because they pay for it through harbour dues, are entitled to have the channels dredged regularly by PHC...Without the Holes Bay Marina, the Council could have applied for an Act of Parliament to annul the Bay and access as a "Navigable Waterway", and negate the need for the £21+million Twin Sails Bridge. MDL probably realise that they need to move into the Main Harbour, before it is too late - the cost of dredging will inevitably rise. Hence the "back door" deal with Crown Estates, who have named MDL as "preferred bidder", a huge slap in the face for PHC, The Admiral of the Port of the Staple of Poole, The keeper of the Bounds (the Sheriff), and the Mayor and Council of the Town and County of Poole. But wait! The Crown Estates WILL build a wind farm in the bay, and Poole will want to be "preferred bidder" for the lucrative maritime business...so softly, softly there! Methinks the M.P.s of The I.O.W., Bournemouth, Poole, and Purbeck should be raising Cain in Parliament at the high-handed actions of the Crown Estate Office and ask if they do the bidding of the people (through Parliament) or not? These Crown Agents have their own rulebook, it appears. Big Brother exists beyond the control of Parliament and Local Democracy - they will get what they want, I predict! As a Poole Boy, I smell the same kind of "Rule of the Crown" as we have in this area ( and in the past), from HM Customs and Excise. Not even controllable by Parliament...they do their own thing. (Yes, I am clean. Do your worst). Lewcee

7:02pm Wed 25 Dec 13

dogsoftheworld says...

adspacebroker wrote:
Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!!
The only thing MDL have at heart is profit.- Certainly not Poole. So keep your useless bile and vitriol to yourself. There are 300 less spaces in MDLs proposal than PHC put forward. If you really want Poole Quay to become nothing more than a rich mans playground then then MDLs plans are for you. This is what they've done in all their havens- made them totally unafordable to most people. PHC however have have worked with ALL stakeholders to make something better. Poole needs to be more than than just City brokers' weekend playground and retirement home. And yes, PHC are experts.
[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!![/p][/quote]The only thing MDL have at heart is profit.- Certainly not Poole. So keep your useless bile and vitriol to yourself. There are 300 less spaces in MDLs proposal than PHC put forward. If you really want Poole Quay to become nothing more than a rich mans playground then then MDLs plans are for you. This is what they've done in all their havens- made them totally unafordable to most people. PHC however have have worked with ALL stakeholders to make something better. Poole needs to be more than than just City brokers' weekend playground and retirement home. And yes, PHC are experts. dogsoftheworld

7:32pm Wed 25 Dec 13

nickynoodah says...

Its Christmas day and YOU sound like your up **** creek with out a paddle
sad old ** ***
Its Christmas day and YOU sound like your up **** creek with out a paddle sad old ** *** nickynoodah

7:43pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
adspacebroker wrote:
Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!!
The only thing MDL have at heart is profit.- Certainly not Poole. So keep your useless bile and vitriol to yourself. There are 300 less spaces in MDLs proposal than PHC put forward. If you really want Poole Quay to become nothing more than a rich mans playground then then MDLs plans are for you. This is what they've done in all their havens- made them totally unafordable to most people. PHC however have have worked with ALL stakeholders to make something better. Poole needs to be more than than just City brokers' weekend playground and retirement home. And yes, PHC are experts.
Rich man's plaything much better for local economy than poor man's plaything?
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote: Oh Atkinson...sour grapes or what. With your aggressive attitude if I was Crown Estates I would award it to MDL irrelevant and wouldn't give you the time of day. PHC have been in bed with Poole Council far too long and at times it has not been in the interest of Poole Harbour or the quay. Outside of Poole Harbour how many marinas do PHC own? A big FAT ZERO! How many do MDL own including Cobbs Quay...last time I looked it was over 20! So who do you think the experts are? It certainly isnt PHC. From what I understand MDL certainly does have Poole at heart...lets face it we have a council and tourism dept that can't even generate proper footfall and support the Quayside economy. We know how Poole Tourism win 'mickey mouse' awards and also how those awards do not generate footfall at all! So MDL, fill your boots and lets get it built by Easter!!![/p][/quote]The only thing MDL have at heart is profit.- Certainly not Poole. So keep your useless bile and vitriol to yourself. There are 300 less spaces in MDLs proposal than PHC put forward. If you really want Poole Quay to become nothing more than a rich mans playground then then MDLs plans are for you. This is what they've done in all their havens- made them totally unafordable to most people. PHC however have have worked with ALL stakeholders to make something better. Poole needs to be more than than just City brokers' weekend playground and retirement home. And yes, PHC are experts.[/p][/quote]Rich man's plaything much better for local economy than poor man's plaything? Letcommonsenseprevail

8:24pm Wed 25 Dec 13

sea poole says...

Don't you smell a rat when a presentation is made to a closed audience with no plans made available and PHC proposals to Crown Estates were 'lost' but miraculously 'found' when legal action was threatened?
Don't you smell a rat when a presentation is made to a closed audience with no plans made available and PHC proposals to Crown Estates were 'lost' but miraculously 'found' when legal action was threatened? sea poole

10:54pm Wed 25 Dec 13

arthur1948 says...

Good idea.....let's import more snots into the area....
Good idea.....let's import more snots into the area.... arthur1948

12:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ebb Tide says...

Lewcee wrote:
The "Open Democracy" that we have (?) is beginning to smell pretty badly. We should be aware that Holes Bay, lacking a decent sized river emptying into it, is silting up fast. Cobb's Quay, because they pay for it through harbour dues, are entitled to have the channels dredged regularly by PHC...Without the Holes Bay Marina, the Council could have applied for an Act of Parliament to annul the Bay and access as a "Navigable Waterway", and negate the need for the £21+million Twin Sails Bridge. MDL probably realise that they need to move into the Main Harbour, before it is too late - the cost of dredging will inevitably rise. Hence the "back door" deal with Crown Estates, who have named MDL as "preferred bidder", a huge slap in the face for PHC, The Admiral of the Port of the Staple of Poole, The keeper of the Bounds (the Sheriff), and the Mayor and Council of the Town and County of Poole. But wait! The Crown Estates WILL build a wind farm in the bay, and Poole will want to be "preferred bidder" for the lucrative maritime business...so softly, softly there! Methinks the M.P.s of The I.O.W., Bournemouth, Poole, and Purbeck should be raising Cain in Parliament at the high-handed actions of the Crown Estate Office and ask if they do the bidding of the people (through Parliament) or not? These Crown Agents have their own rulebook, it appears. Big Brother exists beyond the control of Parliament and Local Democracy - they will get what they want, I predict! As a Poole Boy, I smell the same kind of "Rule of the Crown" as we have in this area ( and in the past), from HM Customs and Excise. Not even controllable by Parliament...they do their own thing. (Yes, I am clean. Do your worst).
The Crown Estate is controlled by an Act of Parliament.

However, it is suspected that governmental panic is involved anyway, since they are looking for money and the bulk of the proceeds from the activities of the Crown Estate Commissioners goes to the Treasury - aka George Osborne and his team still looking for ways to convince the electorate that governmental policies are relevant and working !! Government needs to be reminded that the Crown Estate (controlled by Parliament) must respect the spirit and intentions of "localism" with its dependency upon openness and transparency.

With regard to Navitus and the Crown Estate, it is far from clear that this government has an energy policy that we can afford, even if we export even more of our energy guzzling industries to heat the planet from elsewhere and /or allow the whole of Poole Harbour to be converted into a car park with high car parking charges, to improve access to commercialised seafront activities !

Affordability (by the UK) has something to do with income generation by the UK as a whole not just by any effective 'financiers' in London who, we are told, can move overseas ! How is such income generation to be achieved when the UK has had too many ineffective 'financiers' and currently has too much unemployment and/or underemployment to say we can afford anything in ten years time : the other side of two more elections !!

Answers required before the next parliamentary elections - not on a postcard nor the back of a cigarette packet - but clearly expressed to aid understanding and acceptance. "Sound-bites" are not good enough now.
[quote][p][bold]Lewcee[/bold] wrote: The "Open Democracy" that we have (?) is beginning to smell pretty badly. We should be aware that Holes Bay, lacking a decent sized river emptying into it, is silting up fast. Cobb's Quay, because they pay for it through harbour dues, are entitled to have the channels dredged regularly by PHC...Without the Holes Bay Marina, the Council could have applied for an Act of Parliament to annul the Bay and access as a "Navigable Waterway", and negate the need for the £21+million Twin Sails Bridge. MDL probably realise that they need to move into the Main Harbour, before it is too late - the cost of dredging will inevitably rise. Hence the "back door" deal with Crown Estates, who have named MDL as "preferred bidder", a huge slap in the face for PHC, The Admiral of the Port of the Staple of Poole, The keeper of the Bounds (the Sheriff), and the Mayor and Council of the Town and County of Poole. But wait! The Crown Estates WILL build a wind farm in the bay, and Poole will want to be "preferred bidder" for the lucrative maritime business...so softly, softly there! Methinks the M.P.s of The I.O.W., Bournemouth, Poole, and Purbeck should be raising Cain in Parliament at the high-handed actions of the Crown Estate Office and ask if they do the bidding of the people (through Parliament) or not? These Crown Agents have their own rulebook, it appears. Big Brother exists beyond the control of Parliament and Local Democracy - they will get what they want, I predict! As a Poole Boy, I smell the same kind of "Rule of the Crown" as we have in this area ( and in the past), from HM Customs and Excise. Not even controllable by Parliament...they do their own thing. (Yes, I am clean. Do your worst).[/p][/quote]The Crown Estate is controlled by an Act of Parliament. However, it is suspected that governmental panic is involved anyway, since they are looking for money and the bulk of the proceeds from the activities of the Crown Estate Commissioners goes to the Treasury - aka George Osborne and his team still looking for ways to convince the electorate that governmental policies are relevant and working !! Government needs to be reminded that the Crown Estate (controlled by Parliament) must respect the spirit and intentions of "localism" with its dependency upon openness and transparency. With regard to Navitus and the Crown Estate, it is far from clear that this government has an energy policy that we can afford, even if we export even more of our energy guzzling industries to heat the planet from elsewhere and /or allow the whole of Poole Harbour to be converted into a car park with high car parking charges, to improve access to commercialised seafront activities ! Affordability (by the UK) has something to do with income generation by the UK as a whole not just by any effective 'financiers' in London who, we are told, can move overseas ! How is such income generation to be achieved when the UK has had too many ineffective 'financiers' and currently has too much unemployment and/or underemployment to say we can afford anything in ten years time : the other side of two more elections !! Answers required before the next parliamentary elections - not on a postcard nor the back of a cigarette packet - but clearly expressed to aid understanding and acceptance. "Sound-bites" are not good enough now. Ebb Tide

12:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

CockleKate says...

Just a few hundred more floating caravans in the floating caravan park called Poole Harbour.
Just a few hundred more floating caravans in the floating caravan park called Poole Harbour. CockleKate

3:04pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Ebb Tide says...

CockleKate wrote:
Just a few hundred more floating caravans in the floating caravan park called Poole Harbour.
Yes. I wonder why we don't have more houseboats.
[quote][p][bold]CockleKate[/bold] wrote: Just a few hundred more floating caravans in the floating caravan park called Poole Harbour.[/p][/quote]Yes. I wonder why we don't have more houseboats. Ebb Tide

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